[DYNASTY] Jonathan Dwyer (1 Viewer)

[EBF]

No prospect's stock took a more brutal hit this weekend than Jonathan Dwyer's. After being projected as a possible first round pick early in the process and a likely top 100 selection in recent weeks, Dwyer tumbled all the way to the Steelers in the 6th round at 188th overall.

Where do you take him now in rookie drafts?

 

[fruity pebbles]

3rd round maybe. After the 2nd tier WR prospects. Not only did he go late but he went to a team with a young back better than him. Unless you already have Mendenhall and want his backup, Dwyer is no better than a dozen other backup RBs.

 

[Kleck]

25+

 

[Sleeping King]

Where would you draft Greg Jones? That's where you should draft Dwyer. As soon as he hits 250 he's going to FB.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

He'll get drafted late 1st/early 2nd in a lot of leagues, even though realistically he should go late 2nd/early 3rd. Most RBs who get drafted this late have very little value.

 

[Trent]

I have Mendenhall along with rookie picks 24 and 28, I will probably take him at one of those spots if he is still available. I will not go out of my way to acquire him.

 

[D'OHtis]

Probably 3rd. The Greg Jones mention above is probably pretty close.

I'm stunned he fell this far unless his medical condition is that dire.

 

[Beetlejuice]

Not sure how much this narrows it down, but at least one pick prior to taking Toby Gerhart.

 

[D'OHtis]

Had a guy in a devy league give Harvin straight up for the rights to Dwyer last year.

Oof.

 

[Balco]

I am in a ten team dynasty league and see him going off the board anywhere from 14-18. Running backs go early and often in our rookie drafts. I have 2.14 and I would give a ton of consideration at him at that spot.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

As soon as he hits 250 he's going to FB.

Hopefully he learns to block somewhere along the way, because unless he does he ain't ever playing as a 'true' FB.

 

[finito]

I think he'll go earlier than most think. Mendy wasn't *that* great last season, and Dwyer still has name recognition, despite his freefall. No idea whether he'll be any good, but I'd throw an early/mid round 2nd maybe at him and see what happens.

 

[Go deep]

No prospect's stock took a more brutal hit this weekend than Jonathan Dwyer's. After being projected as a possible first round pick early in the process and a likely top 100 selection in recent weeks, Dwyer tumbled all the way to the Steelers in the 6th round at 188th overall.

Where do you take him now in rookie drafts?

I think Gerhart took a bigger hit than Dwyer. I would take Dwyer in the early 2nd, but i only do non-PPR's. Maybe drop him a few spots in PPR's, so early/mid 2nd. I also think Pittsburgh is a better spot for him to land than most people probably think.

 

[bonesman]

I think the 15 people voting 10-12 are a lot closer than the 17 people voting 22+

 

[Kleck]

I think the 15 people voting 10-12 are a lot closer than the 17 people voting 22+

I fully expect him to go before #22, but I have no interest in being that person in a PPR league so that's why I voted 22-24.

 

[moderated]

In non-ppr he'll go in the early/mid 2nd in most drafts. I wouldn't take him there but he still has believers and many thought of him as a top rb in this class pre-combine, me included.

 

[az_prof]

Can't imagine he is more than a third round flyer at this point. Mendenhall was a high pick who figured it out last year and is still young.

 

[coolnerd]

Can't imagine he is more than a third round flyer at this point. Mendenhall was a high pick who figured it out last year and is still young.

Many people giving up the pre-draft rankings is difficult. He should be in the teir with all those other 6th/7th round RB, but because guys thought they saw more my guess is that he will be a level about the rest of the guys.

 

[EBF]

I just took him with the 15th pick in a PPR rookie draft. In my first pass at my post-draft rankings I think he should be slotted somewhere in the 11-20 range.

Here's the thing about prospects who land in unfavorable situations: on the one hand their value dips because their short term opportunity is cloudy, but on the other hand they often become bargain buys because their poor situation means you can buy them below the cost of their talent level.

If you want to be optimistic about Dwyer's future, I think you have to look at Michael Turner as a parallel.

Turner was a massively productive college back who slipped because of poor workout numbers and concerns about his college situation (he didn't play in a gimmicky offense like Dwyer, but he played in a small conference that diminished his statistical achievements). He fell to the 154th pick in the draft and landed in a terrible situation behind LaDainian Tomlinson, a young superstar in the prime of his career. He eventually found a new team, had a monster debut season as a starter, and achieved top 5 dynasty RB value.

I don't know if Dwyer can replicate that feat, but I'm having a hard time reconciling his apparent talent with his bottom of the barrel draft position. I think he's a classic boom or bust pick in rookie drafts. Considering that the options in the 10+ range are pretty uninspiring, why not roll the dice on Dwyer and hope that he becomes the franchise back he was almost unanimously touted as 4-5 months ago? Sure, he will most likely fail, but there's undeniable upside in the 10-20 range of rookie drafts and it's not like the guys you might take over him are good bets to succeed.

 

[Balco]

Can't imagine he is more than a third round flyer at this point. Mendenhall was a high pick who figured it out last year and is still young.

Always draft talent over opportunity in dynasty leagues. Always. Many backs have been drafted behind established backs (i.e. Deuce Mcallister behind Ricky Williams; Shaun Alexander behind Ricky Waters), and just needed that opportunity. And most times, opportunity comes quicker than you think. If you believe Dwyer has more talent than Ben Tate, who seemingly has the better opportunity, you draft Jonathan Dwyer.

 

[EBF]

Can't imagine he is more than a third round flyer at this point. Mendenhall was a high pick who figured it out last year and is still young.

Many people giving up the pre-draft rankings is difficult. He should be in the teir with all those other 6th/7th round RB, but because guys thought they saw more my guess is that he will be a level about the rest of the guys.

This brings up an interesting point though. How heavily should you weigh objective factors against your own subjective opinion?The fact that Dwyer fell so far in the draft suggests that professional talent evaluators didn't think he was a very good prospect.On the other hand, if you feel like he's a potential franchise back then should you let his draft position alone sway you? I know that in FF I have sometimes regretted going against my gut. For example, I was pretty high on Sidney Rice after his rookie season, but after his sophomore season I lost faith and didn't actively pursue him in any leagues (and there were plenty of objective reasons to be down on him at that point - Berrian signing, Housh courtship, Harvin draft pick). If I had stuck with my initial evaluation, I would've landed him on more of my teams prior to his breakout season. I think you have to find a balance between the two extremes.

 

[Balco]

Can't imagine he is more than a third round flyer at this point. Mendenhall was a high pick who figured it out last year and is still young.

Many people giving up the pre-draft rankings is difficult. He should be in the teir with all those other 6th/7th round RB, but because guys thought they saw more my guess is that he will be a level about the rest of the guys.

This brings up an interesting point though. How heavily should you weigh objective factors against your own subjective opinion?The fact that Dwyer fell so far in the draft suggests that professional talent evaluators didn't think he was a very good prospect.On the other hand, if you feel like he's a potential franchise back then should you let his draft position alone sway you? I know that in FF I have sometimes regretted going against my gut. For example, I was pretty high on Sidney Rice after his rookie season, but after his sophomore season I lost faith and didn't actively pursue him in any leagues (and there were plenty of objective reasons to be down on him at that point - Berrian signing, Housh courtship, Harvin draft pick). If I had stuck with my initial evaluation, I would've landed him on more of my teams prior to his breakout season. I think you have to find a balance between the two extremes.

I think Dwyer is a very unique situation, though. Yes, he did play in a traditional set his true freshman year when he backed up Tashard Choice, but he has lined up as a fullback the last two years. I think that is what caused the huge slip, just tough to get a gauge on him. He didn't test great, had a positive drug test (which I know is disputed), and that also might have played a factor. I am still a Jonathan Dwyer believer. I think he is a Steven Davis/Rudi Johnson type runner.

 

[moderated]

Can't imagine he is more than a third round flyer at this point. Mendenhall was a high pick who figured it out last year and is still young.

Many people giving up the pre-draft rankings is difficult. He should be in the teir with all those other 6th/7th round RB, but because guys thought they saw more my guess is that he will be a level about the rest of the guys.

This brings up an interesting point though. How heavily should you weigh objective factors against your own subjective opinion?The fact that Dwyer fell so far in the draft suggests that professional talent evaluators didn't think he was a very good prospect.On the other hand, if you feel like he's a potential franchise back then should you let his draft position alone sway you? I know that in FF I have sometimes regretted going against my gut. For example, I was pretty high on Sidney Rice after his rookie season, but after his sophomore season I lost faith and didn't actively pursue him in any leagues (and there were plenty of objective reasons to be down on him at that point - Berrian signing, Housh courtship, Harvin draft pick). If I had stuck with my initial evaluation, I would've landed him on more of my teams prior to his breakout season. I think you have to find a balance between the two extremes.

Dwyer is a bizarre situation as I can't remember a guy who was so widely thought of as a top prospect fall so much after the combine.There has to be something we as the general public don't know. He was a highly sought after college recruit and performed great in college. There has to be something we aren't aware of as that NFL front offices are aware of.At this point I agree with you he's worth a shot around the 14-18 range in rookie drafts, what else of value is available there?

 

[Unwrittenlaw]

I just took him with the 15th pick in a PPR rookie draft. In my first pass at my post-draft rankings I think he should be slotted somewhere in the 11-20 range. Here's the thing about prospects who land in unfavorable situations: on the one hand their value dips because their short term opportunity is cloudy, but on the other hand they often become bargain buys because their poor situation means you can buy them below the cost of their talent level. If you want to be optimistic about Dwyer's future, I think you have to look at Michael Turner as a parallel. Turner was a massively productive college back who slipped because of poor workout numbers and concerns about his college situation (he didn't play in a gimmicky offense like Dwyer, but he played in a small conference that diminished his statistical achievements). He fell to the 154th pick in the draft and landed in a terrible situation behind LaDainian Tomlinson, a young superstar in the prime of his career. He eventually found a new team, had a monster debut season as a starter, and achieved top 5 dynasty RB value. I don't know if Dwyer can replicate that feat, but I'm having a hard time reconciling his apparent talent with his bottom of the barrel draft position. I think he's a classic boom or bust pick in rookie drafts. Considering that the options in the 10+ range are pretty uninspiring, why not roll the dice on Dwyer and hope that he becomes the franchise back he was almost unanimously touted as 4-5 months ago? Sure, he will most likely fail, but there's undeniable upside in the 10-20 range of rookie drafts and it's not like the guys you might take over him are good bets to succeed.

I think Turner's situation is more like Gerhart's than Dwyer's.

 

[az_prof]

It isn't just his bad situation--it is how late he was picked. So to pick him in the second round you are saying you know more than 32 GMS and HCs. It is possible of course. Bradshaw was what? a sixth round pick too??? But in his case it was clear he fell because of character issues. Here's the thing: I didn't draft him but I waited and was able to pick him up off waivers. Why? Because unless you have a very large roster people have to make room for guys who have more immediate value. So, even if you think Dwyer is all that and that he fell for some reason that is irrelevant or that he can overcome, still, how long until he gets a chance when he is such a late pick? He will be at best third in line behind Mendenhall and M. Moore, right? He needs both those guys to get hurt to get a chance. By the time he does you will have dropped him and I will snag him on waivers for the one week he starts, and if he plays well, I'll keep him.

 

[loose circuits]

same story as Rashad Jennings last season. Value will be any where from early 2nd to mid 3rd. Grab him if you like him...pretty much sums it up

 

[EBF]

By the time he does you will have dropped him and I will snag him on waivers for the one week he starts, and if he plays well, I'll keep him.

Except people who take him this high won't drop him, so no.It didn't take us long to find out that Turner and Choice could play. We might find out about Dwyer sooner than expected.

 

[Balco]

By the time he does you will have dropped him and I will snag him on waivers for the one week he starts, and if he plays well, I'll keep him.

Except people who take him this high won't drop him, so no.It didn't take us long to find out that Turner and Choice could play. We might find out about Dwyer sooner than expected.

Agreed. In my league, if a running back has a pulse, he is stashed on someone's roster.

 

[az_prof]

By the time he does you will have dropped him and I will snag him on waivers for the one week he starts, and if he plays well, I'll keep him.

Except people who take him this high won't drop him, so no.It didn't take us long to find out that Turner and Choice could play. We might find out about Dwyer sooner than expected.

EBG, you and SSOG are two of the posters I listen to most closely, but on this one I think you are letting yourself be swayed by personal opinion. In any case, this is why we play the game!

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Considering that the options in the 10+ range are pretty uninspiring, why not roll the dice on Dwyer and hope that he becomes the franchise back he was almost unanimously touted as 4-5 months ago? Sure, he will most likely fail, but there's undeniable upside in the 10-20 range of rookie drafts and it's not like the guys you might take over him are good bets to succeed.

EBF - the odds are pretty strong that Dwyer will do absolutely nothing in 2010 to demonstrate that he can produce in the future. He simply won't get much of an opportunity, unless Mendenhall gets hurt. Which means that, either during the season or after the season, you can likely buy him for a lower price than say, pick 12-15. In other words, because someone in your league will likely overvalue Dwyer based on pre-draft hype, to get him you will likely have to overpay. Why not wait 3 months, 6 months, 9 months, whatever - and then buy low when the owner eventually realizes that Dwyer is a bet that won't pay off immediately?

 

[SayWhat?]

I think Dwyer's borderline hopeless as a dynasty prospect. What are the odds that a player who chooses to get fat and lazy when they have hundreds of thousands, or even millions, of dollars on the line will "figure it out" when he's finally getting paid? That's the issue with Dwyer. He's been nothing short of a trainwreck in preparing for the biggest job interview of his life, and I don't put much stock in players that are too dumb to realize the opportunity that presents themselves if they simply bust their ### for 3 months after their college career is over.

 

[coolnerd]

Can't imagine he is more than a third round flyer at this point. Mendenhall was a high pick who figured it out last year and is still young.

Many people giving up the pre-draft rankings is difficult. He should be in the teir with all those other 6th/7th round RB, but because guys thought they saw more my guess is that he will be a level about the rest of the guys.

This brings up an interesting point though. How heavily should you weigh objective factors against your own subjective opinion?The fact that Dwyer fell so far in the draft suggests that professional talent evaluators didn't think he was a very good prospect.On the other hand, if you feel like he's a potential franchise back then should you let his draft position alone sway you? I know that in FF I have sometimes regretted going against my gut. For example, I was pretty high on Sidney Rice after his rookie season, but after his sophomore season I lost faith and didn't actively pursue him in any leagues (and there were plenty of objective reasons to be down on him at that point - Berrian signing, Housh courtship, Harvin draft pick). If I had stuck with my initial evaluation, I would've landed him on more of my teams prior to his breakout season. I think you have to find a balance between the two extremes.

I don't think that we disagree much about the balance. Since you directly scout more than I do, your "gut" is probably more highly trained. I watch alot of college football ,and follow the draft process, but really don't get into the finer details, so my default is to trust the paid professionals. The other factor even when I question whether the paid professionals have gotten it wrong, that the number of now 3rd day players who become fantasy significant is really low. I think that is both and opportunity and talent question. No matter what we are told by some clubs, broadly draft pick and monetary investment does matter. An example from my Texans: if Ben Tate and Arian Foster are truly equal coming out of camp in every possible way, do you really think that the undrafted Foster is going to get an equal share versus Tate being given the benefit of a doubt? There is some chance, but not a significant one.

 

[moderated]

I think Dwyer's borderline hopeless as a dynasty prospect. What are the odds that a player who chooses to get fat and lazy when they have hundreds of thousands, or even millions, of dollars on the line will "figure it out" when he's finally getting paid? That's the issue with Dwyer. He's been nothing short of a trainwreck in preparing for the biggest job interview of his life, and I don't put much stock in players that are too dumb to realize the opportunity that presents themselves if they simply bust their ### for 3 months after their college career is over.

Who else are you picking this year in the 14-18 range over Dwyer? Please list them.Its all scrubs after the mid 1st, why not take a shot with Dwyer?

 

[footballsavvy]

Running backs always get some opportunity, even if its just a few carries smattered in here and there. Like Choice, Shonn Green, Donald Brown, etc we will have a chance to see if he is good or not. Hell, all it takes is for Mendenhall to miss a couple of games and Dwyer only needs to be better than Frank Summers to get a decent load of work.

All of that being said, I have picks 5, 6, 13, and 20 and I think I would rather roll with McKnight around 13 and James Starks around 20 and let someone else play around with Dwyer.

 

[moderated]

Running backs always get some opportunity, even if its just a few carries smattered in here and there. Like Choice, Shonn Green, Donald Brown, etc we will have a chance to see if he is good or not. Hell, all it takes is for Mendenhall to miss a couple of games and Dwyer only needs to be better than Frank Summers to get a decent load of work.

Very true. If someone believes in Dwyer might as well take a shot on him in the early 2nd

 

[Kleck]

Considering that the options in the 10+ range are pretty uninspiring, why not roll the dice on Dwyer and hope that he becomes the franchise back he was almost unanimously touted as 4-5 months ago? Sure, he will most likely fail, but there's undeniable upside in the 10-20 range of rookie drafts and it's not like the guys you might take over him are good bets to succeed.

This is a good and fair point. As I'm following a couple of rookie drafts in progress, I have to say that I'm not overly impressed with a few of the players being taken in that 10-20 range either. Not intending that they'll bust, just that there seems to be quite a few players that you could argue as being #12 or #22. In all my leagues the late 1st to early 3rd round picks have some fluxuation, but this year I'm thinking I might see even more than usual.

 

[Steelfan7]

Running backs always get some opportunity, even if its just a few carries smattered in here and there. Like Choice, Shonn Green, Donald Brown, etc we will have a chance to see if he is good or not. Hell, all it takes is for Mendenhall to miss a couple of games and Dwyer only needs to be better than Frank Summers to get a decent load of work.

All of that being said, I have picks 5, 6, 13, and 20 and I think I would rather roll with McKnight around 13 and James Starks around 20 and let someone else play around with Dwyer.

He also needs to beat Redman for a spot on the team as well.

 

[Balco]

Considering that the options in the 10+ range are pretty uninspiring, why not roll the dice on Dwyer and hope that he becomes the franchise back he was almost unanimously touted as 4-5 months ago? Sure, he will most likely fail, but there's undeniable upside in the 10-20 range of rookie drafts and it's not like the guys you might take over him are good bets to succeed.

This is a good and fair point. As I'm following a couple of rookie drafts in progress, I have to say that I'm not overly impressed with a few of the players being taken in that 10-20 range either. Not intending that they'll bust, just that there seems to be quite a few players that you could argue as being #12 or #22. In all my leagues the late 1st to early 3rd round picks have some fluxuation, but this year I'm thinking I might see even more than usual.

I think we are going to see a lot of variation at the 10-20 picks. There are alot of intriguing players drafted, but not a whole lot of "sure things" Even the 1st round after pick 4 there will be alot of different opinions. I have the #1, # 8, # 9, # 14, #20, and # 26 in my league and I have no idea right now what I am doing after pick #1. I need to really sit down and analyze my options. I definitely plan on taking Bradford at 8, but who knows if he will be there.

 

[Balco]

Running backs always get some opportunity, even if its just a few carries smattered in here and there. Like Choice, Shonn Green, Donald Brown, etc we will have a chance to see if he is good or not. Hell, all it takes is for Mendenhall to miss a couple of games and Dwyer only needs to be better than Frank Summers to get a decent load of work.

All of that being said, I have picks 5, 6, 13, and 20 and I think I would rather roll with McKnight around 13 and James Starks around 20 and let someone else play around with Dwyer.

He also needs to beat Redman for a spot on the team as well.

No doubt. Dwyer really has to come in an impress from day 1 to get a spot on this team, and he isn't just competing with the last couple backs on the Steelers roster. I think he is going to step up to the challenge and show enough in camps and preseason that he has a future.

 

[jurb26]

Unless I had Mendy on my roster Dwyer wouldn't even be on my radar. I'd wait and see if I could pick him off of waivers.

 

[Balco]

Been searching articles on Dwyers free fall. Something must have have happened. His head coach said he was graded as a 1st rounder before the combine. It could not have been solely the poor combine. Drug Test maybe? Who knows.

From the ARTICLE:

“All the stuff that we looked at and turned in and the NFL sent back, it was all late-first-round type deal,” Georgia Tech head coach Paul Johnson said after Georgia Tech’s weather-shortened T-Day game Saturday afternoon.

“As far as I know, all the way up to the Combine, it was first round,” Johnson said. “And I don’t know how (the draft process) works, but — and I don’t know how many people they’ve drafted now — if there’s 90 guys better than him, I ain’t seen them.

“I don’t know what happened. I don’t know, I don’t understand their world. But clearly something happened.”

“I think he got unfairly treated on the headlines by the media,” Johnson said. “The headlines say the kid failed a drug test, and everybody knew what it was. I mean, it’s not his fault the guy forgot to put (his name) on the (list). And anybody who knows Jon Dwyer knows the kind of character that he’s got.”

Some quotes from Dwyer in this article:

AJC Article

 

[Balco]

I am in a ten team dynasty league and see him going off the board anywhere from 14-18. Running backs go early and often in our rookie drafts. I have 2.14 and I would give a ton of consideration at him at that spot.

I just can't see him going undrafted in rookie drafts. 3rd round, yes. But at that point, the pickings are slim.

 

[Football Critic]

I'm hoping he slips to me in the second, how you can think this guys talent just went away because of a failed drug test...lol, please.

He was a projected top 3 runner a week a go. Come on people can we really just use our football knowledge and not listen to Sportscenter?

P.S. They have no #2 in Pitt, and Mendy is not my favorite young runner anyways.

 

[Cassius]

I'm hoping he slips to me in the second, how you can think this guys talent just went away because of a failed drug test...lol, please.

He was a projected top 3 runner a week a go. Come on people can we really just use our football knowledge and not listen to Sportscenter?

This post would've made a lot more sense before the draft.Projected by who? Obviously not by anyone in charge of an NFL team.

And we're not following Sportscenter - we're following the fact that he was the 188th player taken.

 

[jurb26]

I'm hoping he slips to me in the second, how you can think this guys talent just went away because of a failed drug test...lol, please.

He was a projected top 3 runner a week a go. Come on people can we really just use our football knowledge and not listen to Sportscenter?

P.S. They have no #2 in Pitt, and Mendy is not my favorite young runner anyways.

The problem is some of us used our "football knowledge" months before now and didn't like Dwyer in the 1st place.

 

[footballsavvy]

Running backs always get some opportunity, even if its just a few carries smattered in here and there. Like Choice, Shonn Green, Donald Brown, etc we will have a chance to see if he is good or not. Hell, all it takes is for Mendenhall to miss a couple of games and Dwyer only needs to be better than Frank Summers to get a decent load of work.

All of that being said, I have picks 5, 6, 13, and 20 and I think I would rather roll with McKnight around 13 and James Starks around 20 and let someone else play around with Dwyer.

He also needs to beat Redman for a spot on the team as well.

No doubt. Dwyer really has to come in an impress from day 1 to get a spot on this team, and he isn't just competing with the last couple backs on the Steelers roster. I think he is going to step up to the challenge and show enough in camps and preseason that he has a future.

While none of us are expert scouts, I think its safe to say that what we saw on the field at GT should at a minimum allow him to make the final cuts on an NFL roster. It's not like he put up studly stats at a Dvision II school. If he gets flat out released, then my draft-day Dwyer shock will continue forevermore.

 

[footballsavvy]

I'm hoping he slips to me in the second, how you can think this guys talent just went away because of a failed drug test...lol, please.

He was a projected top 3 runner a week a go. Come on people can we really just use our football knowledge and not listen to Sportscenter?

P.S. They have no #2 in Pitt, and Mendy is not my favorite young runner anyways.

The problem is some of us used our "football knowledge" months before now and didn't like Dwyer in the 1st place.

Since it is obvious that no one clearly understands why he slid so far (other than you and the 32 sets of NFL scouts), can you please elaborate on your pre-draft 6th round grade?

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I'm hoping he slips to me in the second, how you can think this guys talent just went away because of a failed drug test...lol, please.

He was a projected top 3 runner a week a go. Come on people can we really just use our football knowledge and not listen to Sportscenter?

P.S. They have no #2 in Pitt, and Mendy is not my favorite young runner anyways.

The problem is some of us used our "football knowledge" months before now and didn't like Dwyer in the 1st place.

Since it is obvious that no one clearly understands why he slid so far (other than you and the 32 sets of NFL scouts), can you please elaborate on your pre-draft 6th round grade?

I have posted numerous times I thought he had slow feet, poor burst, poor agility, he looked sloppy/lazy at the combine, he didn't test well, he is a poor blocker(see RSP), etc

 

[footballsavvy]

I'm hoping he slips to me in the second, how you can think this guys talent just went away because of a failed drug test...lol, please.

He was a projected top 3 runner a week a go. Come on people can we really just use our football knowledge and not listen to Sportscenter?

P.S. They have no #2 in Pitt, and Mendy is not my favorite young runner anyways.

The problem is some of us used our "football knowledge" months before now and didn't like Dwyer in the 1st place.

Since it is obvious that no one clearly understands why he slid so far (other than you and the 32 sets of NFL scouts), can you please elaborate on your pre-draft 6th round grade?

I have posted numerous times I thought he had slow feet, poor burst, poor agility, he looked sloppy/lazy at the combine, he didn't test well, he is a poor blocker(see RSP), etc

Yes, I have seen these comments about Dwyer...and similar criticisms of every back that got drafted. However, if a back has slow feet, poor burst, and poor agility and is a bad blocker.... they probably don't truck over defenses in the ACC both running and blocking (as a fullback) while putting up 1400 yards at 6 yard per carry. If everything you said is true, then he has some sort of hidden ability that made him one of the most successful running backs in the NCAA in 2009.Anyway, I suspect you are wrong and there are other reason(s) that his draft stock slid.

 

[cstu]

I'm hoping he slips to me in the second, how you can think this guys talent just went away because of a failed drug test...lol, please.

He was a projected top 3 runner a week a go. Come on people can we really just use our football knowledge and not listen to Sportscenter?

P.S. They have no #2 in Pitt, and Mendy is not my favorite young runner anyways.

The problem is some of us used our "football knowledge" months before now and didn't like Dwyer in the 1st place.

Since it is obvious that no one clearly understands why he slid so far (other than you and the 32 sets of NFL scouts), can you please elaborate on your pre-draft 6th round grade?

I have posted numerous times I thought he had slow feet, poor burst, poor agility, he looked sloppy/lazy at the combine, he didn't test well, he is a poor blocker(see RSP), etc

You didn't exactly go out on a limb though:

Never said he was a scrub....I would just like to see more dedication from a potential "franchise bell cow" RB.....reminds me of Beanie Wells' dedication in that regard. Dwyer did go down last year and I didn't see an explosive RB, if you would like to read more I suggest the thread of Rookie Scouting Portfolio with Matt Waldmen. I have Dwyer as my 4th RB in this class.