Dynasty League Haves and Have Nots (1 Viewer)

[Idiot Savant]

Dynasty leagues, while not new, have grown tremendously in popularity over the last few years. I'm in six dynasty leagues ranging from initial-year to 4th-year, and I'm beginning to get concerned about at least a couple of them. EDIT to add - all six of these leagues were formed with guys from this message board, so the problem isn't the result of joining a bunch of guppy Yahoo leagues.

I, like many others, love the idea that something I work to build doesn't get wiped out at the end of a season, and that decisions I make have a longer value to them. The problem is that for every owner who understands how to build a very strong team for the long-term, there is another owner who continually makes bad decisions and makes his team worse and worse over time. In re-draft leagues these poor owners at least get a fresh start every year, but in dynasty they start each year behind and just continue to make it worse.

As leagues mature over 2-3 years and the gap widens between the Haves and the Have Nots, a couple of teams become dominant and a couple of teams almost completely uncompetitive. This is what is beginning to happen in a couple of my leagues, and it worries me. What happens when a perpetually uninformed owner finally understands he just doesn't belong in such leagues and decides to quit rather than keep putting up his money? Prospective new owners look at the roster, then look at the rosters of the strong teams, realize it will take a minimum of a couple of years to even be playoff-competitive, and decide it's better to join a start-up. And what about the owners of mid-pack teams who see the really strong teams just continue to get stronger over time? Will the league become so unbalanced that it folds because all but the top 2-3 owners give up hope of winning a championship?

Rookie draft picks aren't really a solution. I draft near last every year and it doesn't matter. Rookie picks delay the erosion of the bad teams a bit, but poor teams will usually find a way to give away what they have eventually, and it just provides entertainment for the good teams to find ways to end up with it.

I've created one superb team and a couple of very good ones and am concerned that my desire to build truly dominant teams will backfire and result in killing the leagues I set out to enjoy.

As your dynasty leagues begin to mature, what experiences have you had? If you are a dominant team, does the widening gap and league uncompetitiveness worry you? If you are a mid-range owner, are you disheartened by the strength of the best teams? And if you are an owner of a bottom dweller, what keeps you going?

It all makes me wonder if dynasty leagues will fade in popularity, something I don't want to happen.

All thoughts appreciated. Thanks.

 

[Slinger]

I only play in dynasty leagues and, while I understand where you're coming from, I don't completely agree with the notion that the shift of power is a bad thing. It's the goal.

The number 1 goal for dynasty league owners is to have a "dynasty" much like the 49'ers of the '80's and the Cowboys of the '90's.

If you're an owner who's part of the 'have nots' then rethink your plan and position yourself to improve. I'd love to take over a sucky dynasty team and figure out a way to make it more successful.

And also, Rookie Drafts are more important than you're leading yourself to believe.

 

[Idiot Savant]

And also, Rookie Drafts are more important than you're leading yourself to believe.

Absolutely, the value of the rookie picks matter.However, I've found one of two things often happens with poorer team managers and those picks.1) They lose patience with the players they drafted if they aren't productive in their first year, and that 1st round pick is thrown to the WW before the player gets his opportunity. This happens with QBs and WRs especially. Sadly, often the player they drop him for is some one-week wonder that is also dropped within a few weeks. These owners constantly churn the WW without any real long-term plan.2) They trade away the pick for a 'need' player long before they ever get to use it. I've seen Ryan Moats and Ron Dayne both acquired for what ended up being top-3 picks. You would never do this, nor would I, but owners who don't 'get it' do this all the time.

 

[toppshelff]

One league I'm in offers a discount (25%) in fees to new owners willing to pick up discarded teams.

 

[Slinger]

And also, Rookie Drafts are more important than you're leading yourself to believe.

2) They trade away the pick for a 'need' player long before they ever get to use it. I've seen Ryan Moats and Ron Dayne both acquired for what ends up being top-3 picks. You would never do this, nor would I, but owners who don't get it do this all the time.

Yeah that's just crazy talk. I can see how one mindless owner can sorta bring down a league. I would just discuss it w/ the commish after the season and explain why you think he should be booted.

 

[BringItOn]

While not a true Dynasty league, I have one where we keep 10 players each year ( 12 team league). Yes, there are a few dominant teams, mine being one of them, however ours has a fairly strong talent "Turnover" because we have a salary cap. The salary for each player is fixed for 3 years. Then, in the offseason, all players on rosters with expriing contracts will adjust, as well as all players in the player pool get reset.

There are quite a few trades that happen prior to, and after the adjustment in order to get below the salary cap.

makes things VERY interesting at times, and a really BAD team can really do well here as well as in the draft, because in addition to the rookies, there are always solid establihed Vets available. The key is cut your cap low enough prior to the draft, and you can really rejuvinate a team.

In my case, I am always going into the draft VERY tight against the cap, so I am always looking for $1-$3 "Value" type guys that fill out my roster with nice low salaries.

 

[Idiot Savant]

And also, Rookie Drafts are more important than you're leading yourself to believe.

2) They trade away the pick for a 'need' player long before they ever get to use it. I've seen Ryan Moats and Ron Dayne both acquired for what ends up being top-3 picks. You would never do this, nor would I, but owners who don't get it do this all the time.

Yeah that's just crazy talk. I can see how one mindless owner can sorta bring down a league. I would just discuss it w/ the commish after the season and explain why you think he should be booted.

This has happened in two separate leagues. At the time, these owners believe they will have good teams and therefore late round picks. Remember when Dayne was to be "Denver RB"? This team is currently 0-6 with little hope to be better than last in their division. And no pick. I wasn't the owner who stole the pick, but we all knew this owner would eventually screw up and give it up to someone. It's the 2nd year in a row he's done it, and both times he got little for it.Anyway, I digress. There's someone similar to that guy in all of my leagues, someone who just ruins his team little by little with poor decisions. And it worries me that when these guys quit, no one will want to take over these teams.

 

[snellman]

Anyway, I digress. There's someone similar to that guy in all of my leagues, someone who just ruins his team little by little with poor decisions. And it worries me that when these guys quit, no one will want to take over these teams.

I think you will usually find someone willing to take the challenge to take over a very poor team. I took one over this year that was very poor and also did not have a first round pick. I am in the process of gutting this team, taking some flyers on younger unproven players and trying to stock up on some picks. Hopefully these young players pan out and in 3 years I have a dominant team. It also helps if you have IDP, because as in this league while I have only been able to win 2 games so far, I am able to stay somewhat competitive largely due to IDP.

 

[Men-in-Cleats]

And also, Rookie Drafts are more important than you're leading yourself to believe.

2) They trade away the pick for a 'need' player long before they ever get to use it. I've seen Ryan Moats and Ron Dayne both acquired for what ends up being top-3 picks. You would never do this, nor would I, but owners who don't get it do this all the time.

Yeah that's just crazy talk. I can see how one mindless owner can sorta bring down a league. I would just discuss it w/ the commish after the season and explain why you think he should be booted.

This has happened in two separate leagues. At the time, these owners believe they will have good teams and therefore late round picks. Remember when Dayne was to be "Denver RB"? This team is currently 0-6 with little hope to be better than last in their division. And no pick. I wasn't the owner who stole the pick, but we all knew this owner would eventually screw up and give it up to someone. It's the 2nd year in a row he's done it, and both times he got little for it.Anyway, I digress. There's someone similar to that guy in all of my leagues, someone who just ruins his team little by little with poor decisions. And it worries me that when these guys quit, no one will want to take over these teams.

I wouldn't say that there is someone this inept in every league. I'm in a dynasty league where I took over the worst team in the league last season just before the rookie draft and don't see any teams selling the farm for mediocre players. There are some owners that do better in the rookie draft each year than others but no one is making this terrible of decisions. In that league there are certainly haves and have nots but there have been perenniel doormats making their way up the rankings through a slow rebuilding process, with my team hopefully continuing its rise to middle of the pack this year. It will be difficult to get higher than that given I'm in the toughest division but if my guys can stay healthy I'll be o.k. I think one of the things that keeps talent moving around is the salary cap that emulates that of the NFL with involuntary contract negotiations in the offseason after a player exceeds his draft position by a large enough margin. End up with some solid free agents that way that are more affordable by the teams with fewer superstars.

 

[broncofan13000]

I'm new to dynasty leagues myself, this being my first year in one. We have to pay two years in advance to make sure teams stay in it. So if a team wants to drop out, he's already paid for the next year. I'm hoping this plan works.

 

[redman]

I'm new to dynasty leagues myself, this being my first year in one. We have to pay two years in advance to make sure teams stay in it. So if a team wants to drop out, he's already paid for the next year. I'm hoping this plan works.

Also, it's probably a good idea to bar people from trading draft picks more than one year out so that bad owners can't ruin a team's ability to rebuild on top of ruining the team itself.

 

[Idiot Savant]

This has happened in two separate leagues. At the time, these owners believe they will have good teams and therefore late round picks. Remember when Dayne was to be "Denver RB"? This team is currently 0-6 with little hope to be better than last in their division. And no pick. I wasn't the owner who stole the pick, but we all knew this owner would eventually screw up and give it up to someone. It's the 2nd year in a row he's done it, and both times he got little for it.Anyway, I digress. There's someone similar to that guy in all of my leagues, someone who just ruins his team little by little with poor decisions. And it worries me that when these guys quit, no one will want to take over these teams.

I wouldn't say that there is someone this inept in every league.

True, that inept is pretty extreme and I may have overstated it saying there's one like that in all my leagues. In my six dynastys there are two leagues with a guy like that. But in each of the other four leagues there is a guy who, as I stated above, just ruins his team little by little with poor decisions. Not so extrememly or quickly, but awful nonetheless. That's why it usually takes 2-3 years for the effect on overall rosters and standings to become real clear.

 

[Dave Stauff]

The best method of insuring there's value for the subsequent owner is to protect the future draft picks from being dealt with no return. Therefore, a requirement that any owner dealing a future year draft pick away must pay the league entry fees for that year before the trade will be allowed is a great one. I play in many dynasty leagues, and I've never seen a commish stuggle to find a replacement owner if all the draft picks are intact. I could see a bit of a problem where big money is involved, as it may take a couple years of quality ownership to turn things around, but there's bound to be a shark with a big ego out there somewhere

 

[UrBallsEL]

My league accomodates such issues. It is one of the most unique leagues I have ever seen. There are still "haves" and "have nots", but the gap is clser and the recovery time is quicker.

12 teams. 5 keepers, 8 RFA's. IDP Salary Cap league.

During the off season, we designate our keepers and RFA's. A team can decide to keep/RFA the max, throw it all away, or anywhere in between.

We then spend 3 weeks of RFA period, where teams can bid up other teams RFA's. Team has option to match, give away, or trade during this time.

After the RFA period is over, some teams have full rosters. Some have no players at all. Some a mixture. The draft is set after the RFA period, and depending on the number of players you finished the RFA period with, dictates the round you start drafting in. (ie, 7 players on roster, start in the 8th round).

This allows teams to recover through free agency by bidding up heavily on certain players, and also to go after rookies (or discards) in the draft.

My team is a "Have".

C. Palmer, LT, S. Alexander, Jamal Lewis, Michael Turner, Steve Smith, Roy Williams, TJ Houshmanzadeh, Javon Walker, Shockey, Keading, Ray Lewis, Keith Bulluck, DeMeco Ryans.

But I am 3 and 3 right now.

 

[ydub]

The institution of a salary cap with contract term and limits (4 - 5 yr. max) typically give the most downtrodden owner something to look forward to. Throw in cap penalties (for early termination), franchise, and transition tags and only the most dedicated will apply...

 

[nightshift]

This is why the more I play in a dynasty format, the more I think it sucks. No sense of urgency (wai 'til next year attitude), dominance by a handful of teams, and in other words,

B-O-R-I-N-G.

I thought it could be made in an exciting and competitive format but I now beleive this is wrong. Totally off base.

Back to Re-draft.

 

[Slinger]

This is why the more I play in a dynasty format, the more I think it sucks. No sense of urgency (wai 'til next year attitude), dominance by a handful of teams, and in other words,

B-O-R-I-N-G.

I thought it could be made in an exciting and competitive format but I now beleive this is wrong. Totally off base.

Back to Re-draft.

Translation: You've failed at dynasty so you're going back to redraft. Cool.

 

[Slinger]

Lets put it this way.

Checkers is to Redraft what Dynasty is to Chess. Some people really love to play Checkers and I'm cool with that.

 

[Lobo237]

This is why I'd never play in a big money dynasty league. In a small money or a bragging rights league it's not that hard to find someone to take an orphan team just for the challenge. Hell, trying to turn a down trodden franchise around can be as much fun as running the table in the right situations. Also as someone else said, anytime you trade a future pick get at least part of the cash for that year upfront so if you do need a replacement owner their not paying full price at the start of the rebuild. Big money would be a lot harder to get someone to fork over the entree fee knowing their 2 or 3 years away from winning it back.

 

[cracKer]

Max contracts like 3 years or so, should keep everyone in the loop. Not exactly the "dynasty" league that we think of, but it helps to keep it fresh.

 

[beto]

This is why the more I play in a dynasty format, the more I think it sucks. No sense of urgency (wai 'til next year attitude), dominance by a handful of teams, and in other words,

B-O-R-I-N-G.

I thought it could be made in an exciting and competitive format but I now beleive this is wrong. Totally off base.

The dynasty league I'm in is very boring. You have to be careful what kind of league you get into and the makeup of the owners, but that is tough on the innernet. I'm learning a lot about what not to do.Getting back on topic, there isn't a huge disparity between the haves and have nots after 2 plus years which does surprise me. Your typical FF leaguer is not cut out for dynasty.

 

[pyite76]

This is why the more I play in a dynasty format, the more I think it sucks. No sense of urgency (wai 'til next year attitude), dominance by a handful of teams, and in other words,

B-O-R-I-N-G.

I thought it could be made in an exciting and competitive format but I now beleive this is wrong. Totally off base.

Back to Re-draft.

I started a new dynasty league this year with 10 teams/IDP's. 47 man rosters, start 20 - including 2 quarterbacks. Everything has started off very well, with every owner highly addicted, and most competitive. One team is not so good, but has potential and all his draft picks. One team is 9-3 (double headers) and a gaggle of teams are hovering around the 8-4, 6-6, or 7-5 range. so far so good. not as much trading as I originally thought, but lots of talks. 3 or 4 large deals with big time players were made. Some teams are building for the future, one is only built to win now, and most have a good balance.

 

[nightshift]

This is why the more I play in a dynasty format, the more I think it sucks. No sense of urgency (wai 'til next year attitude), dominance by a handful of teams, and in other words,

B-O-R-I-N-G.

I thought it could be made in an exciting and competitive format but I now beleive this is wrong. Totally off base.

Back to Re-draft.

Translation: You've failed at dynasty so you're going back to redraft. Cool.

No pinhead, didn't fail. Just bored. Cool?

 

[Loan Sharks]

I have been in a Dynasty league for 18 years. Don't worry about it.

One thing that really helps is a most improved award. If you are hopeless and finish 2-12 but the next year kick it up to 6-8 and win some cash it seems to help wrecked coaches stay motivated.

Out superbowl champ las season was the worst team in the league like 6 years ago and was starting Rodney Peete for gods sake. It all works out.

 

[Restricted]

My dynasty league (9 years) is in a swing of power right now. We only allow trade of draft picks one year out. The guy that had the best team was trading all his draft picks out for proven talent but it has caught up to him. We've had people come and go but not had too many issues finding another owner as it's a pretty tight group. I can't imagine being in more than one though.

 

[Super King]

my first experience in FFL was a dynasty league, which i joined 5 years ago. and on top of being a noob, i inherited a team that had 2 studs, but not a lot of depth and no future prospects (except Chad Johnson, who i included in a trade as a throw in after his rookie year ) but, through "questionable" trades that i made, good drafting, and timely WW moves, ive built i team i think can be competitive for quite a few years. but there are a few owners who just dont get it. they are always picking in the first half of the draft, and theyre picks seem to never pan out. some people have the ability, some dont.

p.s. it being an IDP doesnt hurt either

 

[FFdork]

Lets put it this way.Checkers is to Redraft what Dynasty is to Chess. Some people really love to play Checkers and I'm cool with that.

Don't want to hijack, but I don't think that's true. Redraft and Dynasty both have their own strategies/challenges. The biggest challenge to dynasty is taking the long view and staying patient. I find managing a dynasty team with a huge roster to be a lot easier than redraft over the course of the season. A lot less draft strategy as well (well, after the startup year). Figuring out things like the relative value of players for trades is tougher in dynasty, but I find a redraft with short rosters to provide more strategy decisions per year. Both are great. I wouldn't want to just do one or the other.Anyway, to the topic at hand, as someone suggested, getting a long term financial commitment (2-3 yrs) up front from each owner helps. If you do have to replace someone who has buried a team, sometimes people will do a supplemental draft for an incoming owner (kind of like the NFL does for a new franchise)--you can only protect a certain # of your players. The new owner gets to choose 5-7 unprotected guys to get some immediate help (obviously they're not usually studs, but you can pick up some good IDPs, immediate impact vets, or guys with future prospects).

 

[Tornacl]

I'm in a dynasty league in its 2nd year, and I can see this happening. I've thought about proposing a rule change that would add a couple of draft picks for a new owner if they inherited a really bad team (maybe an extra 2nd and 3rd round pick). Has anyone else done something similar?

 

[Zaphod]

I play in a 'contract' type dynasty league that is very interesting and competitive. I think it allows for many different levels of strategy that the redraft doesn't. Each style lends itself to certain elements in the ff hobby and I can why people might lean one way or the other. We have had teams that struggled for years. We also have great teams that fall on hard times. For example, last years super bowl teams were a combined 2-8 after 5 weeks this year, due to injury and general NFL turmoil each season.

Not to hijack, but I would be interested in starting a 12 team dynasty league of dedicated owners possibly from this thread. Don't have the time to necessarily commish another league, but with the minds available I think we could put together a progressive and exciting league.

With a strong foundation, I think what you would find is the desire to bring a team from the ashes back to the top. A particular owners interest might wane a bit during the 2-12 season, but it is hard to explain the pride you feel in turning around a team of cast offs and bye week fillers.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Well I LOVE the dynasty format and Commish a few of them. I hand pick my owners though, really! I know the tough competitive owners from my other leagues and i join them all in one.

What you want in your league that important to me is PERSONALITY. This is key to me. I like owners who talk alot, wether its trash talking (they dont really do that except for one major rival in one of my league) or wether is just being funny. Which i have alot of that in my leagues.

My leagues have took on a personality of there own. Which i love that, also you have to prepay on tradeing ANY of your future picks in my leagues.

But to what you are talking about, i will say this. In one of my DFFL league we have a team that went almost undefeated and won the superbowl. He had a very strong roster then as he does now. Current DYNASTY roster:

Delhomme, Jake CAR QB

Leinart, Matt ARI QB

Losman, J.P. BUF QB

Manning, Peyton IND QB

Alexander, Shaun SEA RB

Brown, Ronnie MIA RB

Johnson, Larry KCC RB

Moore, Mewelde MIN RB

Taylor, Chester MIN RB

White, LenDale TEN RB

Carter, Drew CAR WR

Galloway, Joey TBB WR

Johnson, Chad CIN WR

Moss, Sinorice NYG WR

Muhammad, Muhsin CHI WR

Smith, Steve CAR WR

White, Roddy ATL WR

Gates, Antonio SDC TE

Kasay, John CAR PK

Wilkins, Jeff STL PK

Eagles, Philadelphia PHI Def

Very awesome dynasty roster but he also had others on that team like Braylon T.Bell McNabb Dwill.

While it would seem that he would roll over us again, he has hit a snag so far. SA injury, Manning not playing like Manning, S.Smith being out alittle. All sorta things. Now i will say that he has way more comp for the championship this year cause a few other teams really stocked up while other teams went in rebuild mode.

And thats what happens in my especially this week. Guys like Tiki,Dunn, Foster ie older type players gets traded from the non playoff teams for youngsters like Norwood Jacobs and others plus for high future picks. SO alot of teams go into WIN NOW and other go into STACKING picks or young talent for the future.

But i will say, i wonder what some of those owners be thinking that bottom cellar dweller teams that dont have a good outlook for the future. Some owners love the challenge. And then seeing that alot of my owners play in multiple leagues with me thay dont have that quiting mentality.

I will only back out of a league if it has NO personality, or the Commish does a bad job of running it.

 

[-OZ-]

Lets put it this way.Checkers is to Redraft what Dynasty is to Chess. Some people really love to play Checkers and I'm cool with that.

Don't want to hijack, but I don't think that's true. Redraft and Dynasty both have their own strategies/challenges. The biggest challenge to dynasty is taking the long view and staying patient. I find managing a dynasty team with a huge roster to be a lot easier than redraft over the course of the season. A lot less draft strategy as well (well, after the startup year). Figuring out things like the relative value of players for trades is tougher in dynasty, but I find a redraft with short rosters to provide more strategy decisions per year. Both are great. I wouldn't want to just do one or the other.Anyway, to the topic at hand, as someone suggested, getting a long term financial commitment (2-3 yrs) up front from each owner helps. If you do have to replace someone who has buried a team, sometimes people will do a supplemental draft for an incoming owner (kind of like the NFL does for a new franchise)--you can only protect a certain # of your players. The new owner gets to choose 5-7 unprotected guys to get some immediate help (obviously they're not usually studs, but you can pick up some good IDPs, immediate impact vets, or guys with future prospects).

I agree with this. I've had a fair amount of success in both formats, but find it much easier to trade in a dynasty, especially if you keep future picks, while redrafts have grown stagnant - nobody playing for tomorrow, the only way to make a trade is to fill two teams' immediate needs. The draft is key in my redrafts, although waivers help a ton. In a dynasty, I've seen many succesful teams virtually never make a draft pick, they just trade picks for players. Maybe that's vulturing on the novices to some, but many of us experienced players enjoy the draft and do well with it, so picks retain good value.Financial commitment is key, and a dispersal draft for those teams leaving helps a lot - when you have more than one team not returning for the next year.

 

[comfortably numb]

Well I LOVE the dynasty format and Commish a few of them. I hand pick my owners though, really! I know the tough competitive owners from my other leagues and i join them all in one.

What you want in your league that important to me is PERSONALITY. This is key to me. I like owners who talk alot, wether its trash talking (they dont really do that except for one major rival in one of my league) or wether is just being funny. Which i have alot of that in my leagues.

My leagues have took on a personality of there own. Which i love that, also you have to prepay on tradeing ANY of your future picks in my leagues.

But to what you are talking about, i will say this. In one of my DFFL league we have a team that went almost undefeated and won the superbowl. He had a very strong roster then as he does now. Current DYNASTY roster:

Delhomme, Jake CAR QB

Leinart, Matt ARI QB

Losman, J.P. BUF QB

Manning, Peyton IND QB

Alexander, Shaun SEA RB

Brown, Ronnie MIA RB

Johnson, Larry KCC RB

Moore, Mewelde MIN RB

Taylor, Chester MIN RB

White, LenDale TEN RB

Carter, Drew CAR WR

Galloway, Joey TBB WR

Johnson, Chad CIN WR

Moss, Sinorice NYG WR

Muhammad, Muhsin CHI WR

Smith, Steve CAR WR

White, Roddy ATL WR

Gates, Antonio SDC TE

Kasay, John CAR PK

Wilkins, Jeff STL PK

Eagles, Philadelphia PHI Def

Very awesome dynasty roster but he also had others on that team like Braylon T.Bell McNabb Dwill.

While it would seem that he would roll over us again, he has hit a snag so far. SA injury, Manning not playing like Manning, S.Smith being out alittle. All sorta things. Now i will say that he has way more comp for the championship this year cause a few other teams really stocked up while other teams went in rebuild mode.

And thats what happens in my especially this week. Guys like Tiki,Dunn, Foster ie older type players gets traded from the non playoff teams for youngsters like Norwood Jacobs and others plus for high future picks. SO alot of teams go into WIN NOW and other go into STACKING picks or young talent for the future.

But i will say, i wonder what some of those owners be thinking that bottom cellar dweller teams that dont have a good outlook for the future. Some owners love the challenge. And then seeing that alot of my owners play in multiple leagues with me thay dont have that quiting mentality.

I will only back out of a league if it has NO personality, or the Commish does a bad job of running it.

I think that is the most important thing in a dyansty league.It can get unexicting as time goes by.

If owners are sitting tight, not trading much. At least if you have lots of personality and involvement the league will always be fun.

I took an oprhoned team this year in a dynasty league.

Most of the people I never even hear from.

I say there may have been 12 trades this year so far, I have been involoved in 7.

Some of the owners, start players on a BYE week.

I don't think I have had 1 owner offer me a trade. (asside from my friend who is like me)

The site has a tracker on when the last time a owner was online.

Me and my friend are on several times per day.

Some of the other guys go 5 days without going online

Maybe I am just into it too much, but I prefer to play with owners that are heavily involved.

 

[coolnerd]

This is why the more I play in a dynasty format, the more I think it sucks. No sense of urgency (wai 'til next year attitude), dominance by a handful of teams, and in other words,

B-O-R-I-N-G.

I thought it could be made in an exciting and competitive format but I now beleive this is wrong. Totally off base.

Back to Re-draft.

Translation: You've failed at dynasty so you're going back to redraft. Cool.

No pinhead, didn't fail. Just bored. Cool?

Nightshift is the high scorer in a dynasty league made of entirely FBGs (24 in 2 divisions), so I will vouch for his general abilities and that he is constantly looking for more activity.Shift,

Our league is well above average in activity and owner interest, so I honestly, don't know what to tell ya. There are points where an owner should not be making a ton of trades and waiver activity with his team. To quote Herm, "you play the game to win"

 

[diesel7982]

If you have 12 serious owners(or whatever your league size), why not have a contract drawn up and have everyone pay league fees in advance for a predetermined # of years?

If you are serious about playing for money, and are worried about people quitting, this is the best way to do it.

 

[The Royal Jack]

I wouldn't worry about the last place teams too much. these things tend to balance out. and remember there is some skill involved with this game, not just luck. some guys will be bad at it.

All populations will fall out on a bell curve, there is no way to avoid the doormat scenario. I am in the 6th year of a 10 team dynasty league - there are certainly the "better" franchises but everyone with the exception of 1 team has at least made the 4 team playoff in that span.

 

[BigTuna]

I've bought the worst team in a dynasty league twice and brought the team up to superbowl contention in 3 years. You can do it, just have to realize it takes time and persistance. And never, ever miss a chance to improve your team via the waiver wire. What we are trying out this season is letting the new owner take over the team this year. While paying for next years league fee. He will not be allowed to win any money this year. But will be able to start building before he's playing for real. He gets to learn how our blind bid waivers work, make trades etc. Wtih out taking the financial hit till next year. Yes our prize fund takes a hit this year, but if you are having a tough time selling a lower level team, then its worth a try.

 

[cstu]

This is why the more I play in a dynasty format, the more I think it sucks. No sense of urgency (wai 'til next year attitude), dominance by a handful of teams, and in other words,

B-O-R-I-N-G.

I thought it could be made in an exciting and competitive format but I now beleive this is wrong. Totally off base.

Back to Re-draft.

Translation: You've failed at dynasty so you're going back to redraft. Cool.

No pinhead, didn't fail. Just bored. Cool?

Nightshift is the high scorer in a dynasty league made of entirely FBGs (24 in 2 divisions), so I will vouch for his general abilities and that he is constantly looking for more activity.Shift,

Our league is well above average in activity and owner interest, so I honestly, don't know what to tell ya. There are points where an owner should not be making a ton of trades and waiver activity with his team. To quote Herm, "you play the game to win"

Nightshift also made the conscious decision to win now - drafting older guys who might retire soon like Barber, Toomer, Rod Smith and Moulds and trading his 1st and 2nd round picks next year. That's one way to do it but quite a few us drafted younger guys to stay competitive in future years. To each their own, but I don't find it boring or competitive as long as you have good owners who are trying and not making a bunch of stupid decisions.

 

[JohnnyU]

Nightshift is the high scorer in a dynasty league made of entirely FBGs (24 in 2 divisions), so I will vouch for his general abilities and that he is constantly looking for more activity.

Yeah, he's got me by 13 points

 

[Ice Cream Man]

A key problem for unbalancing leagues is allowing people to trade future draft picks. If teams want to trade, the current rosters are more than enough to work out a deal. The added flexibility with draft picks only means the "good" owners have more weapons to kill their prey with (ie. "bad" owners).

If you allow draft picks, allow them in the offseason and only for the forthcoming draft.

 

[BigTuna]

Another thing we do in our league to keep things going is we run our playoffs in the "real" playoffs. Our playoffs start week 19, the week after the wild card week and run thru the superbowl. Only 4 of the 12 teams make it. Those 4 teams are sometimes competing with trade offers to teams that are not making the playoffs who are holding sought after players that will be in the real playoffs. You can imagine how they can make the managers going to the playoffs pay dearly for a playoff player. I don't know of any leagues that use this format. Really makes grading players a challenge early in the season. Very tough league, but we do have a pretty good turn around on the top of the standings from year to year.

 

[nightshift]

This is why the more I play in a dynasty format, the more I think it sucks. No sense of urgency (wai 'til next year attitude), dominance by a handful of teams, and in other words,

B-O-R-I-N-G.

I thought it could be made in an exciting and competitive format but I now beleive this is wrong. Totally off base.

Back to Re-draft.

Translation: You've failed at dynasty so you're going back to redraft. Cool.

No pinhead, didn't fail. Just bored. Cool?

Nightshift is the high scorer in a dynasty league made of entirely FBGs (24 in 2 divisions), so I will vouch for his general abilities and that he is constantly looking for more activity.Shift,

Our league is well above average in activity and owner interest, so I honestly, don't know what to tell ya. There are points where an owner should not be making a ton of trades and waiver activity with his team. To quote Herm, "you play the game to win"

I hear you bro and I appreciate the nice words. This is a new league, so we will see. But from someone that has played in different dynasty & re-draft leagues, re-draft is more fast paced, more activity, and a different mindset is needed because there is no "next year." All or nothing, all the time. At the time of this league's inception, I deliberated on the format & seriously considered re-draft.However, next season I will come up with a pay re-draft, invitational, with a survivor twist. You have to make the playoffs, divisional top 2, or ? to be invited back. Still a rough draft, but I will work on it more in the spring.

 

[nightshift]

This is why the more I play in a dynasty format, the more I think it sucks. No sense of urgency (wai 'til next year attitude), dominance by a handful of teams, and in other words,

B-O-R-I-N-G.

I thought it could be made in an exciting and competitive format but I now beleive this is wrong. Totally off base.

Back to Re-draft.

Translation: You've failed at dynasty so you're going back to redraft. Cool.

No pinhead, didn't fail. Just bored. Cool?

Nightshift is the high scorer in a dynasty league made of entirely FBGs (24 in 2 divisions), so I will vouch for his general abilities and that he is constantly looking for more activity.Shift,

Our league is well above average in activity and owner interest, so I honestly, don't know what to tell ya. There are points where an owner should not be making a ton of trades and waiver activity with his team. To quote Herm, "you play the game to win"

Nightshift also made the conscious decision to win now - drafting older guys who might retire soon like Barber, Toomer, Rod Smith and Moulds and trading his 1st and 2nd round picks next year. That's one way to do it but quite a few us drafted younger guys to stay competitive in future years. To each their own, but I don't find it boring or competitive as long as you have good owners who are trying and not making a bunch of stupid decisions.

I made a serious decision to WIN. Now & later. I traded my 1st & 2nd to get better players in the intitial draft like LJ & Santana Moss. Toomer in the the late second is a steal and is the only one out of the group you listed that is a starter. Rod Smith was a late acquistion. Actually, it's 5 old guys out of 26 (you forgot Brunell) with plenty of youth to carry me for years to come.Johnny, Johnny... whether it's 13 or 130, you still have the same view as the rest of the sled dogs. I lead, get used to it!

 

[Yah_Shoor_Yoobetchya]

The Republican National Committee might consider sharing some of their insight on how to address the ever-widening gap between the "haves and have-nots".

:sorrycouldnotresist:

 

[coolnerd]

This is why the more I play in a dynasty format, the more I think it sucks. No sense of urgency (wai 'til next year attitude), dominance by a handful of teams, and in other words,

B-O-R-I-N-G.

I thought it could be made in an exciting and competitive format but I now beleive this is wrong. Totally off base.

Back to Re-draft.

Translation: You've failed at dynasty so you're going back to redraft. Cool.

No pinhead, didn't fail. Just bored. Cool?

Nightshift is the high scorer in a dynasty league made of entirely FBGs (24 in 2 divisions), so I will vouch for his general abilities and that he is constantly looking for more activity.Shift,

Our league is well above average in activity and owner interest, so I honestly, don't know what to tell ya. There are points where an owner should not be making a ton of trades and waiver activity with his team. To quote Herm, "you play the game to win"

. But from someone that has played in different dynasty & re-draft leagues, re-draft is more fast paced, more activity, and a different mindset is needed because there is no "next year." All or nothing, all the time.

To prove your point just today in fact I turned down an offer in that league that I would have been doing flips to get in a redraft primarily because the two players I was getting have shakier looking futures than the player I would have let go.

 

[Sleeper 43]

First Idiot Savant , Great post, I feel almost exactly the same. I'm in 7 total leagues , 3 of them are Dynasty. I too see (not in all 3) an owner or two who have made repeated bad trades and further damage themselves. I've also had the owner who trades all the youth and future picks for Vets to win Now! But that next season they just plain blow. And I know in an ideal world we think poeple with crappy teams will stick around but some of these owners really dont give $!$! because it wont effect his real ife and they will never see him again in real life, so the owner bails when the he realizes his mess. I know most Dynasty Commishes say "well i found the best people to form my Dynasty" but the truth is Commishes can only screen credetials so much through email and PM's. This is especially frustrating when the sharks have busted thier $!$ for a few seasons to set up that Dynasty Title run team and the league disbands becasue of lop-sidedness. Also alot of people dont care for keeping tack of salary caps to keep interest or IDP.I'm leaning towards maybe just having a "Dynasty Refresh" of sorts where every ___ years your Dynasty has a complete redraft. I think this would add even more of a challenge when trading. So if you in a dynasty redraft year the Vets will be hot commodities becasue people know they wont be stuck with them after that season and when you start fresh again for another {eg.} say 5 years the youth gains its longterm value again and players values will always change up or down as your Dynasty evolves.

Lets put it this way.Checkers is to Redraft what Dynasty is to Chess. Some people really love to play Checkers and I'm cool with that.

Makes sense to me.I know plenty of redraft owners who would make poor dynasty owners but I dont know alot of dynasty owners who would make bad redraft owners. I think the path of fantasy football progression brings you from redraft to dynasty and IDP , Salary Caps etc.

Lets put it this way.Checkers is to Redraft what Dynasty is to Chess. Some people really love to play Checkers and I'm cool with that.

Don't want to hijack, but I don't think that's true. Redraft and Dynasty both have their own strategies/challenges. The biggest challenge to dynasty is taking the long view and staying patient. I find managing a dynasty team with a huge roster to be a lot easier than redraft over the course of the season. A lot less draft strategy as well (well, after the startup year). Figuring out things like the relative value of players for trades is tougher in dynasty, but I find a redraft with short rosters to provide more strategy decisions per year. Both are great. I wouldn't want to just do one or the other.Anyway, to the topic at hand, as someone suggested, getting a long term financial commitment (2-3 yrs) up front from each owner helps. If you do have to replace someone who has buried a team, sometimes people will do a supplemental draft for an incoming owner (kind of like the NFL does for a new franchise)--you can only protect a certain # of your players. The new owner gets to choose 5-7 unprotected guys to get some immediate help (obviously they're not usually studs, but you can pick up some good IDPs, immediate impact vets, or guys with future prospects).

Actually Dynasty requires that you not only think longterm but win now as well. Especially if the leagues dues are a considerable amount. Usually people who say "screw it , im setting up for next year" are owners who have hopeless records halfway through the season and are forced to think that way.

I'm in a dynasty league in its 2nd year, and I can see this happening. I've thought about proposing a rule change that would add a couple of draft picks for a new owner if they inherited a really bad team (maybe an extra 2nd and 3rd round pick). Has anyone else done something similar?

I thought about this too but then i was thinkin.. " which owner is going to have to forfeit the picks for the new owner? last years champ? I just dont think it would be fair to any of the owners. Even if you made extra picks in certain rounds, your still pushing everyone back one spot.

Another thing we do in our league to keep things going is we run our playoffs in the "real" playoffs. Our playoffs start week 19, the week after the wild card week and run thru the superbowl. Only 4 of the 12 teams make it. Those 4 teams are sometimes competing with trade offers to teams that are not making the playoffs who are holding sought after players that will be in the real playoffs. You can imagine how they can make the managers going to the playoffs pay dearly for a playoff player. I don't know of any leagues that use this format. Really makes grading players a challenge early in the season. Very tough league, but we do have a pretty good turn around on the top of the standings from year to year.

Id imagine the trade deadline working into a leagues playoffs is a bad recipe for scandalous tactics.What if one of the owners out of the playoffs is willing to get a cut of the winnings for his playoff stud?In high dollar Dynastys one years winnings is enticing, not to mention the champ could always trade him back the player in some bogus move in the off-season.

 

[BigTuna]

First Idiot Savant , Great post, I feel almost exactly the same. I'm in 7 total leagues , 3 of them are Dynasty. I too see (not in all 3) an owner or two who have made repeated bad trades and further damage themselves. I've also had the owner who trades all the youth and future picks for Vets to win Now! But that next season they just plain blow. And I know in an ideal world we think poeple with crappy teams will stick around but some of these owners really dont give $!$! because it wont effect his real ife and they will never see him again in real life, so the owner bails when the he realizes his mess. I know most Dynasty Commishes say "well i found the best people to form my Dynasty" but the truth is Commishes can only screen credetials so much through email and PM's. This is especially frustrating when the sharks have busted thier $!$ for a few seasons to set up that Dynasty Title run team and the league disbands becasue of lop-sidedness. Also alot of people dont care for keeping tack of salary caps to keep interest or IDP.I'm leaning towards maybe just having a "Dynasty Refresh" of sorts where every ___ years your Dynasty has a complete redraft. I think this would add even more of a challenge when trading. So if you in a dynasty redraft year the Vets will be hot commodities becasue people know they wont be stuck with them after that season and when you start fresh again for another {eg.} say 5 years the youth gains its longterm value again and players values will always change up or down as your Dynasty evolves.

Another thing we do in our league to keep things going is we run our playoffs in the "real" playoffs. Our playoffs start week 19, the week after the wild card week and run thru the superbowl. Only 4 of the 12 teams make it. Those 4 teams are sometimes competing with trade offers to teams that are not making the playoffs who are holding sought after players that will be in the real playoffs. You can imagine how they can make the managers going to the playoffs pay dearly for a playoff player. I don't know of any leagues that use this format. Really makes grading players a challenge early in the season. Very tough league, but we do have a pretty good turn around on the top of the standings from year to year.

Id imagine the trade deadline working into a leagues playoffs is a bad recipe for scandalous tactics.What if one of the owners out of the playoffs is willing to get a cut of the winnings for his playoff stud?In high dollar Dynastys one years winnings is enticing, not to mention the champ could always trade him back the player in some bogus move in the off-season.

First off, I didn't say our trade deadline goes into our leagues playoffs. Our waiver and trade deadline ends week 16. A dynasty bail out might be good for those of you that can't keep a dynasty league running. Ours has been running for 14 years. So before you start throwing out "scandalous tactics" as a the reason why our league doesn't work, you better think again. Our league is made up from sharks. Sure we've had people leave. For several reasons, from health to the non-willingness to put in the time. If you play in leagues where people are willing to commit collusion to win some money, I feel sorry for you. We let people hang themselves in a bad trade, but will veto a trade if collusion is suspected. And in our case, in our 14 year history, not one trade has ever been vetoed. I guess my point being is that this thread is leaning torward trashing dynasty leagues. Ours works. Several of us play in and win redraft leagues each year. I think redrafts are fun, but in no way compare to the emotions that can form in a well run dynasty league like ours. And one reason is our league works is because we run our playoffs into the NFL playoffs, it creates turn around in top tier players. Personally, I'd play redrafts before I'd play in a dynasty league that had forced redrafts every x amount of years. If I took a poll in my league, I'd get a 12 of 12 vote agianst it as well.

 

[BigTuna]

First Idiot Savant , Great post, I feel almost exactly the same. I'm in 7 total leagues , 3 of them are Dynasty. I too see (not in all 3) an owner or two who have made repeated bad trades and further damage themselves. I've also had the owner who trades all the youth and future picks for Vets to win Now! But that next season they just plain blow. And I know in an ideal world we think poeple with crappy teams will stick around but some of these owners really dont give $!$! because it wont effect his real ife and they will never see him again in real life, so the owner bails when the he realizes his mess. I know most Dynasty Commishes say "well i found the best people to form my Dynasty" but the truth is Commishes can only screen credetials so much through email and PM's. This is especially frustrating when the sharks have busted thier $!$ for a few seasons to set up that Dynasty Title run team and the league disbands becasue of lop-sidedness. Also alot of people dont care for keeping tack of salary caps to keep interest or IDP.I'm leaning towards maybe just having a "Dynasty Refresh" of sorts where every ___ years your Dynasty has a complete redraft. I think this would add even more of a challenge when trading. So if you in a dynasty redraft year the Vets will be hot commodities becasue people know they wont be stuck with them after that season and when you start fresh again for another {eg.} say 5 years the youth gains its longterm value again and players values will always change up or down as your Dynasty evolves.

Another thing we do in our league to keep things going is we run our playoffs in the "real" playoffs. Our playoffs start week 19, the week after the wild card week and run thru the superbowl. Only 4 of the 12 teams make it. Those 4 teams are sometimes competing with trade offers to teams that are not making the playoffs who are holding sought after players that will be in the real playoffs. You can imagine how they can make the managers going to the playoffs pay dearly for a playoff player. I don't know of any leagues that use this format. Really makes grading players a challenge early in the season. Very tough league, but we do have a pretty good turn around on the top of the standings from year to year.

Id imagine the trade deadline working into a leagues playoffs is a bad recipe for scandalous tactics.What if one of the owners out of the playoffs is willing to get a cut of the winnings for his playoff stud?In high dollar Dynastys one years winnings is enticing, not to mention the champ could always trade him back the player in some bogus move in the off-season.

First off, I didn't say our trade deadline goes into our leagues playoffs. Our waiver and trade deadline ends week 16. A dynasty bail out might be good for those of you that can't keep a dynasty league running. Ours has been running for 14 years. So before you start throwing out "scandalous tactics" as a the reason why our league doesn't work, you better think again. Our league is made up from sharks. Sure we've had people leave. For several reasons, from health to the non-willingness to put in the time. If you play in leagues where people are willing to commit collusion to win some money, I feel sorry for you. We let people hang themselves in a bad trade, but will veto a trade if collusion is suspected. And in our case, in our 14 year history, not one trade has ever been vetoed. I guess my point being is that this thread is leaning torward trashing dynasty leagues. Ours works. Several of us play in and win redraft leagues each year. I think redrafts are fun, but in no way compare to the emotions that can form in a well run dynasty league like ours. And one reason is our league works is because we run our playoffs into the NFL playoffs, it creates turn around in top tier players. Personally, I'd play redrafts before I'd play in a dynasty league that had forced redrafts every x amount of years. If I took a poll in my league, I'd get a 12 of 12 vote agianst it as well.

 

[BigTuna]

First Idiot Savant , Great post, I feel almost exactly the same. I'm in 7 total leagues , 3 of them are Dynasty. I too see (not in all 3) an owner or two who have made repeated bad trades and further damage themselves. I've also had the owner who trades all the youth and future picks for Vets to win Now! But that next season they just plain blow. And I know in an ideal world we think poeple with crappy teams will stick around but some of these owners really dont give $!$! because it wont effect his real ife and they will never see him again in real life, so the owner bails when the he realizes his mess. I know most Dynasty Commishes say "well i found the best people to form my Dynasty" but the truth is Commishes can only screen credetials so much through email and PM's. This is especially frustrating when the sharks have busted thier $!$ for a few seasons to set up that Dynasty Title run team and the league disbands becasue of lop-sidedness. Also alot of people dont care for keeping tack of salary caps to keep interest or IDP.I'm leaning towards maybe just having a "Dynasty Refresh" of sorts where every ___ years your Dynasty has a complete redraft. I think this would add even more of a challenge when trading. So if you in a dynasty redraft year the Vets will be hot commodities becasue people know they wont be stuck with them after that season and when you start fresh again for another {eg.} say 5 years the youth gains its longterm value again and players values will always change up or down as your Dynasty evolves.

Another thing we do in our league to keep things going is we run our playoffs in the "real" playoffs. Our playoffs start week 19, the week after the wild card week and run thru the superbowl. Only 4 of the 12 teams make it. Those 4 teams are sometimes competing with trade offers to teams that are not making the playoffs who are holding sought after players that will be in the real playoffs. You can imagine how they can make the managers going to the playoffs pay dearly for a playoff player. I don't know of any leagues that use this format. Really makes grading players a challenge early in the season. Very tough league, but we do have a pretty good turn around on the top of the standings from year to year.

Id imagine the trade deadline working into a leagues playoffs is a bad recipe for scandalous tactics.What if one of the owners out of the playoffs is willing to get a cut of the winnings for his playoff stud?In high dollar Dynastys one years winnings is enticing, not to mention the champ could always trade him back the player in some bogus move in the off-season.

First off, I didn't say our trade deadline goes into our leagues playoffs. Our waiver and trade deadline ends week 16. A dynasty bail out might be good for those of you that can't keep a dynasty league running. Ours has been running for 14 years. So before you start throwing out "scandalous tactics" as a the reason why our league doesn't work, you better think again. Our league is made up of sharks. Sure we've had people leave. For several reasons, from health to the non-willingness to put in the time. In a league that has been running for a decade and a half you're bound to lose some players. If you play in leagues where people are willing to commit collusion to win some money, I feel sorry for you. We let people hang themselves in a bad trade, but will veto a trade if collusion is suspected. And in our case, in our 14 year history, not one trade has ever been vetoed. I guess my point being is that this thread is leaning torward trashing dynasty leagues. Ours works. Several of us play in and win redraft leagues each year. I think redrafts are fun, but in no way compare to the emotions that can form in a well run dynasty league like ours. And one reason is our league works is because we run our playoffs into the NFL playoffs, it creates turn around in top tier players. Personally, I'd play redrafts before I'd play in a dynasty league that had forced redrafts every x amount of years. If I took a poll in my league, I'd get a 12 of 12 vote agianst it as well.

 

[Sleeper 43]

First Idiot Savant , Great post, I feel almost exactly the same. I'm in 7 total leagues , 3 of them are Dynasty. I too see (not in all 3) an owner or two who have made repeated bad trades and further damage themselves. I've also had the owner who trades all the youth and future picks for Vets to win Now! But that next season they just plain blow. And I know in an ideal world we think poeple with crappy teams will stick around but some of these owners really dont give $!$! because it wont effect his real ife and they will never see him again in real life, so the owner bails when the he realizes his mess. I know most Dynasty Commishes say "well i found the best people to form my Dynasty" but the truth is Commishes can only screen credetials so much through email and PM's. This is especially frustrating when the sharks have busted thier $!$ for a few seasons to set up that Dynasty Title run team and the league disbands becasue of lop-sidedness. Also alot of people dont care for keeping tack of salary caps to keep interest or IDP.I'm leaning towards maybe just having a "Dynasty Refresh" of sorts where every ___ years your Dynasty has a complete redraft. I think this would add even more of a challenge when trading. So if you in a dynasty redraft year the Vets will be hot commodities becasue people know they wont be stuck with them after that season and when you start fresh again for another {eg.} say 5 years the youth gains its longterm value again and players values will always change up or down as your Dynasty evolves.

Another thing we do in our league to keep things going is we run our playoffs in the "real" playoffs. Our playoffs start week 19, the week after the wild card week and run thru the superbowl. Only 4 of the 12 teams make it. Those 4 teams are sometimes competing with trade offers to teams that are not making the playoffs who are holding sought after players that will be in the real playoffs. You can imagine how they can make the managers going to the playoffs pay dearly for a playoff player. I don't know of any leagues that use this format. Really makes grading players a challenge early in the season. Very tough league, but we do have a pretty good turn around on the top of the standings from year to year.

Id imagine the trade deadline working into a leagues playoffs is a bad recipe for scandalous tactics.What if one of the owners out of the playoffs is willing to get a cut of the winnings for his playoff stud?In high dollar Dynastys one years winnings is enticing, not to mention the champ could always trade him back the player in some bogus move in the off-season.

First off, I didn't say our trade deadline goes into our leagues playoffs. Our waiver and trade deadline ends week 16. A dynasty bail out might be good for those of you that can't keep a dynasty league running. Ours has been running for 14 years. So before you start throwing out "scandalous tactics" as a the reason why our league doesn't work, you better think again. Our league is made up of sharks. Sure we've had people leave. For several reasons, from health to the non-willingness to put in the time. In a league that has been running for a decade and a half you're bound to lose some players. If you play in leagues where people are willing to commit collusion to win some money, I feel sorry for you. We let people hang themselves in a bad trade, but will veto a trade if collusion is suspected. And in our case, in our 14 year history, not one trade has ever been vetoed. I guess my point being is that this thread is leaning torward trashing dynasty leagues. Ours works. Several of us play in and win redraft leagues each year. I think redrafts are fun, but in no way compare to the emotions that can form in a well run dynasty league like ours. And one reason is our league works is because we run our playoffs into the NFL playoffs, it creates turn around in top tier players. Personally, I'd play redrafts before I'd play in a dynasty league that had forced redrafts every x amount of years. If I took a poll in my league, I'd get a 12 of 12 vote agianst it as well.

Shark league or no Shark league business is business and all I'm saying is the door is open for someone to make a shady deal late in season. If your league is a close knit group I'm sure its safe but in this day and age on the internet you can screen owners all you want but you ultimatley you never know what people are capable of. Dont feel sorry for me I play in leagues with some of the most highly respected fantasy football players in the world. Money can make people do ugly things.

 

[fsufan]

One league I'm in offers a discount (25%) in fees to new owners willing to pick up discarded teams.

i run 2 $150 dynasty leagues. I let an owner have a team for no charge 3 years ago. it was in bad shape. It was worth it because he is active and has made the team a playoff contender in 3 years