[DYNASTY] Matt Forte (1 Viewer)

[Multiple Scores]

Lets not over react or anything. Week 1 performance against the Packers new scheme that blitzed a ton and I don't think the Bears blocking was ready for it.Week 2 against the Steelers. A lot of RB look like garbage against thier defense.Both 3-4 defenses.Cutler trade and Bears Line not getting it done early on in the season is brewing a perfect storm opposite of the favorable one Forte had last season.So like a bunch of amateurs tell us how you told us so in week 2.

Amateur (me) back again in week 3 to say Forte sucks, yet again. 21/66/3.1ypc vs. a horrible and I mean HORRIBLE run D in Seattle, missing 2 starting LBS to boot. Forte is a B U S T.

 

[Biabreakable]

Lets not over react or anything. Week 1 performance against the Packers new scheme that blitzed a ton and I don't think the Bears blocking was ready for it.Week 2 against the Steelers. A lot of RB look like garbage against thier defense.Both 3-4 defenses.Cutler trade and Bears Line not getting it done early on in the season is brewing a perfect storm opposite of the favorable one Forte had last season.So like a bunch of amateurs tell us how you told us so in week 2.

Amateur (me) back again in week 3 to say Forte sucks, yet again. 21/66/3.1ypc vs. a horrible and I mean HORRIBLE run D in Seattle, missing 2 starting LBS to boot. Forte is a B U S T.

Could be. But it is still too early.I agree he has totaly sucked thus far this year.

 

[Instinctive]

Has he totally sucked...or has he just looked like a mediocre RB who has mediocre everything, and a low YPC that needs a high volume of carries for him to occasionally get a lucky run with the defense off guard or needs 5 dump off passes a game/a goal line plunge to have value?

 

[TwinTurbo]

The mediocre YPC has to be concerning. It was the same story last year. Even Anthony Thomas had a better avg YPC.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Maybe Forte can attain a truly amazing goal, first RB with 400 carries and less than 1000 yards!!!

 

[thehornet]

This guy stinks. Why is he still so highly ranked around these parts?

 

[supermark_28]

I've tried to remain positive about Forte but after last weeks game against Seattle I honsestly think it's time to sell.

It has nothing to do with what appears to be a change in the offensive philosophy but he just doesn't look "right".

I don't know if he isn't a 100% healed from the off-season hammy injury or that he might actually be injured and

the Bears are guarding it like Ft Knox but something just seems off. Forte might right the ship and blow up against

Detroit but even with him getting 20+ carries with his pathetically low YPC he is barely getting to 60 rushing yards.

 

[MAC_32]

Talent is overrated. Seriously. Situation, durability, smarts, hands, and versatility are all crucial. In fact, would you rather have SJax or Forte if you had to have one? Everyone would pick Forte, and I would submit that SJax has more talent unquestionably. But there are so many factors, and the improved Bears QB and oline, not to mention his durability, smarts, hands, and versatility, are not going away anytime soon.

Forte is a GREAT idea in dynasty.

No they wouldn't. Unless I don't count as everyone. It's still early, but Forte's got to start performing significantly better if he wants to maintain the feature load in 2010.

 

[Instinctive]

He just isn't that good.......and he had a massive workload last year. That's it.

 

[switz]

Lets not over react or anything.

Amateur (me) back again in week 3 to say Forte sucks, yet again. 21/66/3.1ypc vs. a horrible and I mean HORRIBLE run D in Seattle, missing 2 starting LBS to boot. Forte is a B U S T.

Could be. But it is still too early.I agree he has totaly sucked thus far this year.

He was a crappy runner last year as well. This is nothing new. He's a really good receiver out of the backfield, on a team with a QB who doesn't throw to RBs. His good fantasy season was due to having a QB who spreads the ball around and dumps off to his RBs a lot. It had nothing to do with Forte's "talent". At all.Forte simply is not a good runningback, he's Reggie Bush lite, Larry Centers-esque.

 

[RBM]

Lets not over react or anything.

Amateur (me) back again in week 3 to say Forte sucks, yet again. 21/66/3.1ypc vs. a horrible and I mean HORRIBLE run D in Seattle, missing 2 starting LBS to boot. Forte is a B U S T.

Could be. But it is still too early.I agree he has totaly sucked thus far this year.

He was a crappy runner last year as well. This is nothing new. He's a really good receiver out of the backfield, on a team with a QB who doesn't throw to RBs. His good fantasy season was due to having a QB who spreads the ball around and dumps off to his RBs a lot. It had nothing to do with Forte's "talent". At all.Forte simply is not a good runningback, he's Reggie Bush lite, Larry Centers-esque.

Man this is a stupid post. He was actually a GREAT runner last year. To get what he got on an awful offense with an aging, awful offensive line was damn impressive.And he has 11 catches in the last 2 games.

 

[Ghost Rider]

He was a crappy runner last year as well. This is nothing new. He's a really good receiver out of the backfield, on a team with a QB who doesn't throw to RBs. His good fantasy season was due to having a QB who spreads the ball around and dumps off to his RBs a lot. It had nothing to do with Forte's "talent". At all.Forte simply is not a good runningback, he's Reggie Bush lite, Larry Centers-esque.

Yeah, he sure is no Joseph Addai. Oh, and Denver's RBs had 43 catches last year, and 59 catches in '07. But, yeah, Cutler doesn't throw to the RBs. :( Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

 

[Inspiration]

He was a crappy runner last year as well. This is nothing new. He's a really good receiver out of the backfield, on a team with a QB who doesn't throw to RBs. His good fantasy season was due to having a QB who spreads the ball around and dumps off to his RBs a lot. It had nothing to do with Forte's "talent". At all.

Forte simply is not a good runningback, he's Reggie Bush lite, Larry Centers-esque.

Yeah, he sure is no Joseph Addai. Oh, and Denver's RBs had 43 catches last year, and 59 catches in '07. But, yeah, Cutler doesn't throw to the RBs.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to say there. 59 RB receptions in 2007 was the 5th fewest in the league and 43 RB receptions in 2008 was the 2nd lowest total that season. So relatively speaking, Denver RBs consistently finished with very few receptions when Cutler was starting. Granted, it could have been the scheme that dictated the low totals (rather than Cutler), but I don't think the fact that Denver RBs didn't get many receptions in those two seasons is up for debate.

 

[thehornet]

He was a crappy runner last year as well. This is nothing new. He's a really good receiver out of the backfield, on a team with a QB who doesn't throw to RBs. His good fantasy season was due to having a QB who spreads the ball around and dumps off to his RBs a lot. It had nothing to do with Forte's "talent". At all.Forte simply is not a good runningback, he's Reggie Bush lite, Larry Centers-esque.

Yeah, he sure is no Joseph Addai. Oh, and Denver's RBs had 43 catches last year, and 59 catches in '07. But, yeah, Cutler doesn't throw to the RBs. Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

Dude, he is right. You're wrong. The reason Forte is ranked so highly is because of opportunity not extreme talent. This isn't to say he's talentless because he is in the NFL after all. Sure he can grind it out, but it doesnt make him a good runner. His value is directly related to touches. Thus far he hasnt done anything with the rushes and the receptions are down because Orton left town.

 

[two_dollars]

Lets not over react or anything.

Amateur (me) back again in week 3 to say Forte sucks, yet again. 21/66/3.1ypc vs. a horrible and I mean HORRIBLE run D in Seattle, missing 2 starting LBS to boot. Forte is a B U S T.

Could be. But it is still too early.I agree he has totaly sucked thus far this year.

He was a crappy runner last year as well. This is nothing new. He's a really good receiver out of the backfield, on a team with a QB who doesn't throw to RBs. His good fantasy season was due to having a QB who spreads the ball around and dumps off to his RBs a lot. It had nothing to do with Forte's "talent". At all.Forte simply is not a good runningback, he's Reggie Bush lite, Larry Centers-esque.

Of all those listed rookie RB combine numbers, I would take Forte 2nd after Chris Johnson. I'd much rather have him over who I think is last on that list... Felix Jones. The guy plays 2 games and misses 4-6, like clockwork. At least with Forte I know I'm getting someone who is playing. Unlike Felix, Mendenhall, Stewart, etc

 

[Ghost Rider]

Forte is on pace to have 59 catches this season. He had 63 last year. So, yeah, they are down just a tad: .25 catches per game. :whoosh:

And the Broncos under Shanahan were never a team to throw to the RBs a ton, so that was more about the scheme that Cutler's supposed unwillingness to throw to them. As he has shown the last few games, he has no problem throwing the ball to a very good pass catching RB, which Forte most certainly is.

 

[thehornet]

Lets not over react or anything.

Amateur (me) back again in week 3 to say Forte sucks, yet again. 21/66/3.1ypc vs. a horrible and I mean HORRIBLE run D in Seattle, missing 2 starting LBS to boot. Forte is a B U S T.

Could be. But it is still too early.I agree he has totaly sucked thus far this year.

He was a crappy runner last year as well. This is nothing new. He's a really good receiver out of the backfield, on a team with a QB who doesn't throw to RBs. His good fantasy season was due to having a QB who spreads the ball around and dumps off to his RBs a lot. It had nothing to do with Forte's "talent". At all.Forte simply is not a good runningback, he's Reggie Bush lite, Larry Centers-esque.

Of all those listed rookie RB combine numbers, I would take Forte 2nd after Chris Johnson. I'd much rather have him over who I think is last on that list... Felix Jones. The guy plays 2 games and misses 4-6, like clockwork. At least with Forte I know I'm getting someone who is playing. Unlike Felix, Mendenhall, Stewart, etc

Stewart may have missed one game and he plays behind one of the best in the game. When he gets his chance to be #1, you are going wet your pants at the things he can do.

 

[RBM]

He was a crappy runner last year as well. This is nothing new. He's a really good receiver out of the backfield, on a team with a QB who doesn't throw to RBs. His good fantasy season was due to having a QB who spreads the ball around and dumps off to his RBs a lot. It had nothing to do with Forte's "talent". At all.Forte simply is not a good runningback, he's Reggie Bush lite, Larry Centers-esque.

Yeah, he sure is no Joseph Addai. Oh, and Denver's RBs had 43 catches last year, and 59 catches in '07. But, yeah, Cutler doesn't throw to the RBs. Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

Dude, he is right. You're wrong. The reason Forte is ranked so highly is because of opportunity not extreme talent. This isn't to say he's talentless because he is in the NFL after all. Sure he can grind it out, but it doesnt make him a good runner. His value is directly related to touches. Thus far he hasnt done anything with the rushes and the receptions are down because Orton left town.

You have to throw out week 1 because of the horrible Bears gameplan, to show off Cutler. That was not the same offense they are running now. The last 2 games he has 11 catches. He is right on target reception wise.As for the running, defenses are still putting an 8th guy in the box for some reason. Cutler is making them pay though.

 

[Biabreakable]

Lets not over react or anything.

Amateur (me) back again in week 3 to say Forte sucks, yet again. 21/66/3.1ypc vs. a horrible and I mean HORRIBLE run D in Seattle, missing 2 starting LBS to boot. Forte is a B U S T.

Could be. But it is still too early.I agree he has totaly sucked thus far this year.

He was a crappy runner last year as well. This is nothing new. He's a really good receiver out of the backfield, on a team with a QB who doesn't throw to RBs. His good fantasy season was due to having a QB who spreads the ball around and dumps off to his RBs a lot. It had nothing to do with Forte's "talent". At all.Forte simply is not a good runningback, he's Reggie Bush lite, Larry Centers-esque.

Man this is a stupid post. He was actually a GREAT runner last year. To get what he got on an awful offense with an aging, awful offensive line was damn impressive.And he has 11 catches in the last 2 games.

Why are you responding to me?I merely said that calling Forte a bust in week 2 is premature.

Your comparisons of Reggie Bush... Bush is a hell of a lot faster than Forte is. Even if Bush has lost a step due to his injuries.

Larry Centers was a great pass catching fullback. Totaly different body type and type of player imho.

Now my eyes on assessment (as described I think earlier on in this thread) comes from only one game. When the Bears played the Vikings. Forte looked awesome in the game I did see of him. He did all the little things right and he took what the defense gave him and finished his runs hard.

Now in that game EJ Henderson was out.. and some other Viking defenders were hurting. So as time has gone on.. it makes me remember that I only saw that one game. And in that one game Forte may have played his best football of the season for all I know.

Or maybe he is as good as he looked in that game but with Tait out and Pace at LT the line is not getting the job done in the running game like it was last year.

I expressed this as concearn earlier in the thread. The online was the demise on Anthony Thomas. Good in his rookie season but then veteran linemen moved on/retired. Leaving a rebuilding Oline.

Bears homers. Can you tell us a little bit of what your seeing from the run blocking?

Is this Forte sucking? Or is it a collective suckage effort?

 

[boubucarow]

So far it is collective suckage. His best runs have been a couple of nice cutback runs where he made a closing corner look silly. On most plays, there are defenders hitting him before the line of scrimmage. That all said, I don't know if I see the same burst as last year so far from Forte.

 

[RBM]

Why are you responding to me?I merely said that calling Forte a bust in week 2 is premature.Bears homers. Can you tell us a little bit of what your seeing from the run blocking?Is this Forte sucking? Or is it a collective suckage effort?

You shouldve qouted switz, not me.The run blocking? What run blocking? There hasnt been any run blocking yet. I love Olin Kreutz, one of my favorite players over the last 7-8 yrs, but it might be over for him. He was always undersized but he got away with it for awhile....now, he is getting manhandled by big, strong nose tackles. Frank Omiyale at left guard has been getting blown up as well.

 

[boubucarow]

Why are you responding to me?I merely said that calling Forte a bust in week 2 is premature.Bears homers. Can you tell us a little bit of what your seeing from the run blocking?Is this Forte sucking? Or is it a collective suckage effort?

You shouldve qouted switz, not me.The run blocking? What run blocking? There hasnt been any run blocking yet. I love Olin Kreutz, one of my favorite players over the last 7-8 yrs, but it might be over for him. He was always undersized but he got away with it for awhile....now, he is getting manhandled by big, strong nose tackles. Frank Omiyale at left guard has been getting blown up as well.

Pace seems to be run blocking really well but Omiyale ruins a lot of plays to the left. They should consider putting in Beekman who was actually a good run blocker last year.

 

[RBM]

Why are you responding to me?I merely said that calling Forte a bust in week 2 is premature.Bears homers. Can you tell us a little bit of what your seeing from the run blocking?Is this Forte sucking? Or is it a collective suckage effort?

You shouldve qouted switz, not me.The run blocking? What run blocking? There hasnt been any run blocking yet. I love Olin Kreutz, one of my favorite players over the last 7-8 yrs, but it might be over for him. He was always undersized but he got away with it for awhile....now, he is getting manhandled by big, strong nose tackles. Frank Omiyale at left guard has been getting blown up as well.

Pace seems to be run blocking really well but Omiyale ruins a lot of plays to the left. They should consider putting in Beekman who was actually a good run blocker last year.

Agree

 

[switz]

He was a crappy runner last year as well. This is nothing new. He's a really good receiver out of the backfield, on a team with a QB who doesn't throw to RBs. His good fantasy season was due to having a QB who spreads the ball around and dumps off to his RBs a lot. It had nothing to do with Forte's "talent". At all.Forte simply is not a good runningback, he's Reggie Bush lite, Larry Centers-esque.

Yeah, he sure is no Joseph Addai. Oh, and Denver's RBs had 43 catches last year, and 59 catches in '07. But, yeah, Cutler doesn't throw to the RBs. Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

Do ever have a clue about what you are saying? Do you even realize that 43 catches is about 2.5 receptions per game? Spread among 2 or 3 RBs? You realize those are likely designed passes to the RB, like a screen pass? Even 59 receptions is < 3 per game, and are likely designed plays as well.So no, I don't ever get tired of being wrong, when it's your definition of wrong.

 

[Biabreakable]

So where all the Forte bashers now?

 

[gianmarco]

So where all the Forte bashers now?

I'm right here. It was one game. It was Detroit. And it was on 2 runs. I know you don't take away long runs, yada yada, but in a game where Chicago scores 48 pts, 121 yds and 1 TD isn't that exciting. At least he won't be 2nd from last in YPC after this week like he was after 3 weeks.

 

[Neo]

So where all the Forte bashers now?

I'm right here. It was one game. It was Detroit. And it was on 2 runs. I know you don't take away long runs, yada yada, but in a game where Chicago scores 48 pts, 121 yds and 1 TD isn't that exciting. At least he won't be 2nd from last in YPC after this week like he was after 3 weeks.

121 and 1 isn't that exciting? C'mon man...

 

[Lobary]

Not when Garrett Wolfe and Jay Cutler stole his goal-line opportunities. One TD in a 48-point game isn't all too exciting considering his draft position and hype. I'm a Forte owner but he's done little to earn my confidence in him as a weekly starter. I might try to trade him this week because I suspect he won't be a consistent RB1.

 

[gianmarco]

So where all the Forte bashers now?

I'm right here. It was one game. It was Detroit. And it was on 2 runs. I know you don't take away long runs, yada yada, but in a game where Chicago scores 48 pts, 121 yds and 1 TD isn't that exciting. At least he won't be 2nd from last in YPC after this week like he was after 3 weeks.

121 and 1 isn't that exciting? C'mon man...

For the best game in 4 weeks from a 1st round pick in a game where his team scores 48 pts? No, it's not exciting. It's a very good game, yes. It's not a game I'd say "LOOK AT ME" for. Especially after his first 3 weeks. Let's see him string a couple of these together and I'll come back and discuss.

 

[Biabreakable]

Just to be clear. I am not arguing against the general premise of this thread so much but against more recent comments calling Forte a bust.

 

[Instinctive]

Just to be clear. I am not arguing against the general premise of this thread so much but against more recent comments calling Forte a bust.

He is a bust. If you drafted him at #3 and didn't have a very strong draft behind him, you're losing.I just checked my redrafts to make sure on this point...in all 3 money leagues (I won't bother with non cash leagues unless you want me to) the Forte owner is 1-3 or 0-4.The number 3 pick on average should produce like a top 12 RB, wouldn't you agree? He hasn't. Thus, Forte=bust.Just as a point of pride, the guy who took SJax at 3 and the two who grabbed him at 4 are 3-1, 3-1, 2-2 respectively.

 

[Biabreakable]

Just to be clear. I am not arguing against the general premise of this thread so much but against more recent comments calling Forte a bust.

He is a bust. If you drafted him at #3 and didn't have a very strong draft behind him, you're losing.I just checked my redrafts to make sure on this point...in all 3 money leagues (I won't bother with non cash leagues unless you want me to) the Forte owner is 1-3 or 0-4.The number 3 pick on average should produce like a top 12 RB, wouldn't you agree? He hasn't. Thus, Forte=bust.Just as a point of pride, the guy who took SJax at 3 and the two who grabbed him at 4 are 3-1, 3-1, 2-2 respectively.

So your season only lasts 4 weeks?Interesting format. Might try something like this at some point just to change things up a bit.IF you look at the title of this thread it refers to dynasty. Forte could have been injured in preseason.. never played a snap in 2009 and still would not qualify as a bust by that criteria.I don't really disagree with the main point that Forte was not worth a top 5 pick. Although I did argue against some of EBF's reasoning that he was over-rated. The workload part.By your criteria about 98% of players in the NFL are busts. There are only 12 players who can be top 12 in the 1st 4 weeks. Are those 12 players going to still be in the top 12 at the end of the season?And Forte performed reasonably well enough today for what one is looking for in a RB. Was looking at the schedule however.. and it is brutal. Otherwise I might try to buy low.

 

[Instinctive]

So your season only lasts 4 weeks?By your criteria about 98% of players in the NFL are busts. There are only 12 players who can be top 12 in the 1st 4 weeks. Are those 12 players going to still be in the top 12 at the end of the season?And Forte performed reasonably well enough today for what one is looking for in a RB. Was looking at the schedule however.. and it is brutal. Otherwise I might try to buy low.

1. Don't pull the 4 weeks crap, you know that past performance is the best indicator of future performance and that's the stats we have this year. And it is a fact that thus far he has nto lived up to draft position2. When he continues to be putrid and Chicago is forced to bring in somebody else, it does have dynasty implications. I believe that his bad performance thus far is a confirmation of points made for "the future" and still stand. 3. Reasonably well.....TODAY. When he just so happened to play the detroit lions. That's two good games a year. Good luck with your RB1 acting like it 2 games a year.

 

[Biabreakable]

We still have Vikings vs. Green Bay to go on Monday night. But here are the top 12 RB as of right now non PPR fairly standard decimal scoring:

1. 6. Johnson, Chris TEN RB

2. 7. Peterson, Adrian MIN RB

3. 8. Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB

4. 11. McGahee, Willis BAL RB

5. 16. Gore, Frank SFO RB

6. 25. Sproles, Darren SDC RB

7. 27. Jackson, Fred BUF RB

8. 28. Jones, Julius SEA RB

9. 31. Benson, Cedric CIN RB

10. 36. Brown, Ronnie MIA RB

11. 51. Williams, DeAngelo CAR RB

12. 56. Barber, Marion DAL RB

Forte is RB 36 right now.

1 at Packers 25 carries 55 yards

2 vs Steelers 13 carries29 yards 0 5 receptions 33 yards

3 at Seahawks 21 carries 66 yards 0 6 receptions 40yards

4 vs Lions 12 carries 121 yards 1 0 2 receptions 19 yards

IF your going to cite Detroit as being only 2 games a season then you also need aknowledge that Forte will not be playing the Steelers for the reamaining 12 games either. And I think it is likely that Forte plays better against the Packers at home later on in the season.

The Seahawks game while not that good, Forte still had 106 total yards which is not bad.

 

[MAC_32]

So where all the Forte bashers now?

Sell.Now.

 

[Multiple Scores]

I'm right here. One good game vs. Detroit... still a bust.

 

[Biabreakable]

:(So where all the Forte bashers now?

Sell.Now.

I don't own him. Would be a buyer if weeks 14-16 were not so brutal.

 

[switz]

Forte is RB 36 right now.

Barely startable as an RB3LOL @ anyone trying to use his game against DET as evidence he's not terrible at running. At one point he was averaging like 2.5 YPC against DET! He had the one long run, but if you watched the game, he looked pretty awful overall.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I think one of the reasons Forte is struggling more is because they have a better QB this year. To explain that, last year, Orton really struggled down the stretch after a nice start, so they kept running the ball, even in games where they struggled to run early, and eventually Forte got good yards and made some big plays. This year, when the run struggles, they are able to make the plays in the passing game, thanks to Cutler, so they don't necessarily need to live and die with continuing to run the ball, therefore Forte isn't getting the chance to eventually wear down a defense and good yardage late in a game. Just my two cents.

 

[tdmills]

Forte is RB 36 right now.

Barely startable as an RB3LOL @ anyone trying to use his game against DET as evidence he's not terrible at running. At one point he was averaging like 2.5 YPC against DET! He had the one long run, but if you watched the game, he looked pretty awful overall.

His first run was 61 yards.....PLEASE tell me how at any point during the game he averaged 2.5 ypc.

 

[Instinctive]

I think one of the reasons Forte is struggling more is because they have a better QB this year. To explain that, last year, Orton really struggled down the stretch after a nice start, so they kept running the ball, even in games where they struggled to run early, and eventually Forte got good yards and made some big plays. This year, when the run struggles, they are able to make the plays in the passing game, thanks to Cutler, so they don't necessarily need to live and die with continuing to run the ball, therefore Forte isn't getting the chance to eventually wear down a defense and good yardage late in a game. Just my two cents.

I agree. He doesn't get 30 lottery tickets anmore, he gets 15. So this year when he only gets 2 yards each on all but one carry....the carry for 50 yards doesn't necessarily show up every game. He isn't talented, so his opportunity is being limited. Whereas last year he wasn't talented, but the rest of the team was even less talented.

 

[tdmills]

We still have Vikings vs. Green Bay to go on Monday night. But here are the top 12 RB as of right now non PPR fairly standard decimal scoring:1. 6. Johnson, Chris TEN RB 2. 7. Peterson, Adrian MIN RB 3. 8. Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB 4. 11. McGahee, Willis BAL RB 5. 16. Gore, Frank SFO RB 6. 25. Sproles, Darren SDC RB 7. 27. Jackson, Fred BUF RB 8. 28. Jones, Julius SEA RB 9. 31. Benson, Cedric CIN RB 10. 36. Brown, Ronnie MIA RB 11. 51. Williams, DeAngelo CAR RB 12. 56. Barber, Marion DAL RBForte is RB 36 right now.1 at Packers 25 carries 55 yards 2 vs Steelers 13 carries29 yards 0 5 receptions 33 yards 3 at Seahawks 21 carries 66 yards 0 6 receptions 40yards 4 vs Lions 12 carries 121 yards 1 0 2 receptions 19 yardsIF your going to cite Detroit as being only 2 games a season then you also need aknowledge that Forte will not be playing the Steelers for the reamaining 12 games either. And I think it is likely that Forte plays better against the Packers at home later on in the season.The Seahawks game while not that good, Forte still had 106 total yards which is not bad.

In PPR, he is currently 16th(with the MNF game to go)He is .1 behind Steven Jackson and 1 point ahead of Slaton...to put it into perspective.

 

[switz]

Forte is RB 36 right now.

Barely startable as an RB3LOL @ anyone trying to use his game against DET as evidence he's not terrible at running. At one point he was averaging like 2.5 YPC against DET! He had the one long run, but if you watched the game, he looked pretty awful overall.

His first run was 61 yards.....PLEASE tell me how at any point during the game he averaged 2.5 ypc.

His next 10 carries went for 23 yards total... that's 2.3 YPC he was averaging during that stretch

 

[tdmills]

I think one of the reasons Forte is struggling more is because they have a better QB this year. To explain that, last year, Orton really struggled down the stretch after a nice start, so they kept running the ball, even in games where they struggled to run early, and eventually Forte got good yards and made some big plays. This year, when the run struggles, they are able to make the plays in the passing game, thanks to Cutler, so they don't necessarily need to live and die with continuing to run the ball, therefore Forte isn't getting the chance to eventually wear down a defense and good yardage late in a game. Just my two cents.

I agree. He doesn't get 30 lottery tickets anmore, he gets 15. So this year when he only gets 2 yards each on all but one carry....the carry for 50 yards doesn't necessarily show up every game. He isn't talented, so his opportunity is being limited. Whereas last year he wasn't talented, but the rest of the team was even less talented.

He isn't talented? PLLLLLLLEASE, he is injured...he got hurt in camp....and hasn't been the same RB and that is a given(see the 61 yard run yest, where he would've been gone last year). However he is toughing it out playing.

 

[RBM]

Has anyone tried to take out the 2 runs yesterday to explain his game?

Watch his td run yesterday. Anybody saying this guy isnt talented is out of their freakin mind

 

[tdmills]

Forte is RB 36 right now.

Barely startable as an RB3LOL @ anyone trying to use his game against DET as evidence he's not terrible at running. At one point he was averaging like 2.5 YPC against DET! He had the one long run, but if you watched the game, he looked pretty awful overall.

His first run was 61 yards.....PLEASE tell me how at any point during the game he averaged 2.5 ypc.

His next 10 carries went for 23 yards total... that's 2.3 YPC he was averaging during that stretch

Drew Brees has thrown for 362 yards and 0 TD's the past two games......he is horrible everyone cut him.

 

[switz]

Forte is RB 36 right now.

Barely startable as an RB3LOL @ anyone trying to use his game against DET as evidence he's not terrible at running. At one point he was averaging like 2.5 YPC against DET! He had the one long run, but if you watched the game, he looked pretty awful overall.

His first run was 61 yards.....PLEASE tell me how at any point during the game he averaged 2.5 ypc.

His next 10 carries went for 23 yards total... that's 2.3 YPC he was averaging during that stretch

Thats sad that your attempting this Switz......

If you watched the game, and didn't just look at the stats, you would have seen he didn't really look good at all.

 

[tdmills]

His next 10 carries went for 23 yards total... that's 2.3 YPC he was averaging during that stretchIf you watched the game, and didn't just look at the stats, you would have seen he didn't really look good at all.

I watched the entire game....your trying to explain his game in stats.He is injured....everyone can see that....however he still had a very productive game.

 

[switz]

His next 10 carries went for 23 yards total... that's 2.3 YPC he was averaging during that stretch

If you watched the game, and didn't just look at the stats, you would have seen he didn't really look good at all.

I watched the entire game....your trying to explain his game in stats.He is injured....everyone can see that....however he still had a very productive game.

And you still think he looked good? Not a chance.As for him being injured? When has that been an excuse for RBs LOL....

 

[corpcow]

So where all the Forte bashers now?

I'm right here. It was one game. It was Detroit. And it was on 2 runs. I know you don't take away long runs, yada yada, but in a game where Chicago scores 48 pts, 121 yds and 1 TD isn't that exciting. At least he won't be 2nd from last in YPC after this week like he was after 3 weeks.

121 and 1 isn't that exciting? C'mon man...

For the best game in 4 weeks from a 1st round pick in a game where his team scores 48 pts? No, it's not exciting. It's a very good game, yes. It's not a game I'd say "LOOK AT ME" for. Especially after his first 3 weeks. Let's see him string a couple of these together and I'll come back and discuss.

Exactly. It's a game an average back can step in and have against a bad team. If this was a good defense he was playing, or a tougher game, perhaps. Part of being an RB1 is being able to put up numbers like that on a pretty regular basis. When your BEST game (against a BAD team) is 121 and 1 TD - that's not exactly great for a guy who was 1.03 or so. And - if you look beyond 2 big runs against a bad defense - he was averaging 2.3 YPC before that.I've said it before and I'll say it again - Forte is not bad, but he's not great either. He is certainly not a top 5 dynasty back and is thus greatly overvalued. More importantly, because he's only average/above averaqge, his long term dynasty value may be shaky. (See Taylor, Chester).