{DYNASTY} Once FA hits, who loses value? Who gains? (1 Viewer)

[Shutout]

Moreno (up): With all the needs in Denver, I think it's far from certain that they put the money/limited time/etc into a RB when so many areas need addressed and will cost money.

Like the thoughts on Manningham. I had him for the last part of the season last year in a league and he put me over the top so I am admittedly biased but from the time I had him (and really started paying attention), it seems like he was a solid every week starter that held his own against other players.

Santonio Holmes (down): Think it actually hurts him to stay in New York.

This one is relative, but Roy Williams (up): He is going to end up going somewhere else where he is not abscure and people will talk themselves into thinking he can be an impact (JAX/OAK/MINN/WASH).

Kyle Orton (UP): no matter what happens, whether he stays or goes somewhere else, the clarity to resolve his ??? will increase his value.

 

[gianmarco]

You guys are ignoring the biggest winner:

Mario Manningham

Harvin could also see a nice bump.

How could he be the biggest?

I'm assuming he means if Steve Smith is not resigned.

I think there's a big chance Manningham is one of the biggest losers, as I expect Smith to re-sign (if healthy).

We all know the Nicks love. I've got it too. But consider this from last year:

Nicks -- 12 games started (13 played) -- 79/1052/11

Targets -- 128

YPR -- 13.3

Catch % -- 62%

TDs/target -- 8.5%

Manningham -- 8 games started (16 games played) -- 60/944/9

Targets -- 92

YPR -- 15.7

Catch % -- 65%

TDs/target -- 9.7%

So all the love for Nicks and it seems Mario was actually even more productive. He has a higher YPR AND a higher catch % AND a higher TD per target (and rec) %. Of course, there's no guarantee he gets as many targets, but if he does, he may even outproduce Nicks. He's only 25. And even the previous year, he had 57/822/5.

And Mario still put up nice #'s as the #3 guy in that offense.

That's a nice post. I had kind of written Manningham off, but those numbers are intriguing. Still don't know if I'm 100% sold, but both the totals and the production level were both better than I would have guess off the top of my head.

Thanks. The YPR isn't terribly surprising. The catch % is nice given the higher YPR. But the TD is very surprising. A big part of Nicks's value is the TDs and Mario was scoring them at a better pace (and finished with 9 himself). In the end, Nicks will have the most targets, but if Mario becomes the #2 option, we could be seeing the next Fitz/Boldin or Harrison/Wayne combo.

 

[loose circuits]

I'd like to see Malcolm Floyd or Sidney Rice moved to Chicago. I think Chicago is an ideal place for a big WR. And I think Cutler benefits from a move like this.

Hasn't Martz come out and said they don't need a big WR? That's all media hype

I don't know if it's hype.. But my eyes and head see a need for a big guy Cutler can rely on..

just not how Martz' offense worksGreg Olsen is the closest thing Jay will get

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I'd like to see Malcolm Floyd or Sidney Rice moved to Chicago. I think Chicago is an ideal place for a big WR. And I think Cutler benefits from a move like this.

Hasn't Martz come out and said they don't need a big WR? That's all media hype

I don't know if it's hype.. But my eyes and head see a need for a big guy Cutler can rely on..

just not how Martz' offense worksGreg Olsen is the closest thing Jay will get

There are several big WR's available, guess we'll see after free agency. Martz' offense is based on timing, the size of the WR doesn't necessarily dictate that he won't work in that offense.Are you saying a big WR won't do well in a Martz offense?

 

[finito]

You guys are ignoring the biggest winner:

Mario Manningham

Harvin could also see a nice bump.

How could he be the biggest?

I'm assuming he means if Steve Smith is not resigned.

I think there's a big chance Manningham is one of the biggest losers, as I expect Smith to re-sign (if healthy).

We all know the Nicks love. I've got it too. But consider this from last year:

Nicks -- 12 games started (13 played) -- 79/1052/11

Targets -- 128

YPR -- 13.3

Catch % -- 62%

TDs/target -- 8.5%

Manningham -- 8 games started (16 games played) -- 60/944/9

Targets -- 92

YPR -- 15.7

Catch % -- 65%

TDs/target -- 9.7%

So all the love for Nicks and it seems Mario was actually even more productive. He has a higher YPR AND a higher catch % AND a higher TD per target (and rec) %. Of course, there's no guarantee he gets as many targets, but if he does, he may even outproduce Nicks. He's only 25. And even the previous year, he had 57/822/5.

And Mario still put up nice #'s as the #3 guy in that offense.

That's a nice post. I had kind of written Manningham off, but those numbers are intriguing. Still don't know if I'm 100% sold, but both the totals and the production level were both better than I would have guess off the top of my head.

Thanks. The YPR isn't terribly surprising. The catch % is nice given the higher YPR. But the TD is very surprising. A big part of Nicks's value is the TDs and Mario was scoring them at a better pace (and finished with 9 himself). In the end, Nicks will have the most targets, but if Mario becomes the #2 option, we could be seeing the next Fitz/Boldin or Harrison/Wayne combo.

I still think if Smith is resigned, Manningham takes a big hit, though maybe Smith takes a hit as well as they'll be splitting catches. Will be interesting to see how it pans out.

 

[gianmarco]

You guys are ignoring the biggest winner:

Mario Manningham

Harvin could also see a nice bump.

How could he be the biggest?

I'm assuming he means if Steve Smith is not resigned.

I think there's a big chance Manningham is one of the biggest losers, as I expect Smith to re-sign (if healthy).

We all know the Nicks love. I've got it too. But consider this from last year:

Nicks -- 12 games started (13 played) -- 79/1052/11

Targets -- 128

YPR -- 13.3

Catch % -- 62%

TDs/target -- 8.5%

Manningham -- 8 games started (16 games played) -- 60/944/9

Targets -- 92

YPR -- 15.7

Catch % -- 65%

TDs/target -- 9.7%

So all the love for Nicks and it seems Mario was actually even more productive. He has a higher YPR AND a higher catch % AND a higher TD per target (and rec) %. Of course, there's no guarantee he gets as many targets, but if he does, he may even outproduce Nicks. He's only 25. And even the previous year, he had 57/822/5.

And Mario still put up nice #'s as the #3 guy in that offense.

That's a nice post. I had kind of written Manningham off, but those numbers are intriguing. Still don't know if I'm 100% sold, but both the totals and the production level were both better than I would have guess off the top of my head.

Thanks. The YPR isn't terribly surprising. The catch % is nice given the higher YPR. But the TD is very surprising. A big part of Nicks's value is the TDs and Mario was scoring them at a better pace (and finished with 9 himself). In the end, Nicks will have the most targets, but if Mario becomes the #2 option, we could be seeing the next Fitz/Boldin or Harrison/Wayne combo.

I still think if Smith is resigned, Manningham takes a big hit, though maybe Smith takes a hit as well as they'll be splitting catches. Will be interesting to see how it pans out.

It depends on the details of the signing and also whether or not he starts the season on the PUP. I think if he's gone, Mario skyrockets. This is why I feel he's the most undervalued with the most potential to gain big.

 

[loose circuits]

I'd like to see Malcolm Floyd or Sidney Rice moved to Chicago. I think Chicago is an ideal place for a big WR. And I think Cutler benefits from a move like this.

Hasn't Martz come out and said they don't need a big WR? That's all media hype

I don't know if it's hype.. But my eyes and head see a need for a big guy Cutler can rely on..

just not how Martz' offense worksGreg Olsen is the closest thing Jay will get

There are several big WR's available, guess we'll see after free agency. Martz' offense is based on timing, the size of the WR doesn't necessarily dictate that he won't work in that offense.Are you saying a big WR won't do well in a Martz offense?

Makes no difference what I think. Martz said that he's more interested in guys that can change direction quickly than guys that can win jump balls

"It makes absolutely no difference," the Bears offensive coordinator told the Associated Press. "With Matt [Forte] as a runner and our ability to run the ball, we get a lot of one-on-one coverage, and you have to have receivers that can beat corners one on one. And generally, the guys that can change direction and run fast - those are the kinds of guys that you're looking for.

"If he's a big guy that can do all that, that's a rare find. A lot of times, those guys are more 5-10 guys."

http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2011/07/mike_martz_doesnt_believe_bears_need_big_receiver.html

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Makes no difference what I think. Martz said that he's more interested in guys that can change direction quickly than guys that can win jump balls

"It makes absolutely no difference," the Bears offensive coordinator told the Associated Press. "With Matt [Forte] as a runner and our ability to run the ball, we get a lot of one-on-one coverage, and you have to have receivers that can beat corners one on one. And generally, the guys that can change direction and run fast - those are the kinds of guys that you're looking for.

"If he's a big guy that can do all that, that's a rare find. A lot of times, those guys are more 5-10 guys."

http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2011/07/mike_martz_doesnt_believe_bears_need_big_receiver.html

Malcom Floyd - WR - Chargers

The Bears have made contact with free agent Malcom Floyd.

Nothing is close here, but the Bears are poking around for an upgrade at wide receiver. If they are going to let Greg Olsen go, they could certainly use some size to go with Johnny Knox and Earl Bennett. The problem is that Floyd's pricetag could escalate quickly as the Vikings have shown interest as well.

Related: Bears

Source: Chicago Tribune

Jul 28, 11:56 AM

Report: Bears begin pursuit of Roy Williams

The Chicago Tribune reports the Bears have "started their pursuit" of free agent WR Roy Williams.

With Greg Olsen heading to Carolina, the Bears are in the market for a big receiver to run more three-wide sets. We expect this signing to be fast-tracked considering Williams' history with Mike Martz and WRs coach Darryl Drake.

Source: Vaughn McClure on Twitter

Jul 28, 6:04 PM

 

[Touchdown There]

Increase

Roy Williams, Braylon Edwards, Chad Ochocinco

I expect Roy to be released by Dallas since they're over the cap.

I expect all three of these guys to sign somewhere where they can be a #1 or #2 option. Ocho in NE is a rumor that could be huge for him.

 

[loose circuits]

Makes no difference what I think. Martz said that he's more interested in guys that can change direction quickly than guys that can win jump balls

"It makes absolutely no difference," the Bears offensive coordinator told the Associated Press. "With Matt [Forte] as a runner and our ability to run the ball, we get a lot of one-on-one coverage, and you have to have receivers that can beat corners one on one. And generally, the guys that can change direction and run fast - those are the kinds of guys that you're looking for.

"If he's a big guy that can do all that, that's a rare find. A lot of times, those guys are more 5-10 guys."

http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2011/07/mike_martz_doesnt_believe_bears_need_big_receiver.html

Malcom Floyd - WR - Chargers

The Bears have made contact with free agent Malcom Floyd.

Nothing is close here, but the Bears are poking around for an upgrade at wide receiver. If they are going to let Greg Olsen go, they could certainly use some size to go with Johnny Knox and Earl Bennett. The problem is that Floyd's pricetag could escalate quickly as the Vikings have shown interest as well.

Related: Bears

Source: Chicago Tribune

Jul 28, 11:56 AM

Report: Bears begin pursuit of Roy Williams

The Chicago Tribune reports the Bears have "started their pursuit" of free agent WR Roy Williams.

With Greg Olsen heading to Carolina, the Bears are in the market for a big receiver to run more three-wide sets. We expect this signing to be fast-tracked considering Williams' history with Mike Martz and WRs coach Darryl Drake.

Source: Vaughn McClure on Twitter

Jul 28, 6:04 PM

roy makes since because he should know the offense and did well with it. i think Floyd's camp is driving the other, but i've been wrong before

 

[gianmarco]

You guys are ignoring the biggest winner:Mario ManninghamHarvin could also see a nice bump.