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[DYNASTY] Post-Draft Rookie Rankings (1 Viewer)

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These rankings are for PPR leagues. A couple quick notes:

- I don't spend much time evaluating QBs. I've seen all of the top guys play, but I haven't taken the time to break down their game and get a good feel for their prospects, so what you'll read here is mostly based on what I've gathered from third party sources.

- I'm still sorting through the 3rd-7th round picks. My rankings are subject to change a little, particularly with the WRs.

- These rankings assume that RBs and WRs are more valuable than TEs and QBs.

- Green denotes a player who looks like an exceptional value to me. These are the players I recommend targeting.

First Tier

1. WR Michael Crabtree, 49ers

Crabtree is not quite a can’t miss prospect, but he’s close. He has the potential to develop into a quality possession receiver in the mold of Anquan Boldin or Dwayne Bowe. He’s already the most talented WR on the 49ers. With a year of seasoning, he should be ready to produce.

2. RB Knowshon Moreno, Broncos

I still have a nagging suspicion that Moreno might be fool’s gold since he doesn’t have the physical gifts you usually see from first round RBs, but he plays quicker and more explosive than he tests. He has very good lateral quickness, toughness, and instincts. He also offers good potential in the passing game. One or two of the backs in this draft might ultimately become better NFL players, but Moreno looks like the safest pick from where we stand today. I expect him to start immediately and receive a significant workload next season.

3. WR Percy Harvin, Vikings

Percy Harvin is one of the most talented skill players in this draft. There’s some talk of him being a tweener or a slot receiver, but that’s bunk. He has the exact same dimensions as Laveranues Coles at 5'11 192 pounds. I expect him to become that kind of player in the NFL and I think the character issues are overblown. He may be a diva, but I don’t think he’s a thug. I look for an immediate impact along the lines of what we saw from DeSean Jackson last season.

4. WR Hakeem Nicks, Giants

Nicks has good size and adequate mobility to become a WR1 in the NFL. I think he can produce immediately and eventually become a Dwayne Bowe type for the Giants. He doesn’t have the blazing speed of Maclin or Heyward-Bey, but he’s a better underneath target and not as enigmatic.

5. RB Shonn Greene, Jets

I liked Shonn Greene a lot going into the draft and I’m pleased with where he landed. Barring disaster, he should learn the ropes next season and emerge as New York’s starter in 2010. He has an ideal squatty frame, tremendous leg drive, fluid hips, very quick feet, and adequate speed. Plug him in, give him 300 carries, and watch the yards pile up. It won’t be flashy, but he’ll get the job done. I think he presents excellent value in the 5-10 range of drafts.

6. RB Chris Wells, Arizona

Wells is a huge enigma. Numerous pundits believe he has the potential to be one of the biggest steals of the NFL draft and he has a great opportunity as the starter in Arizona. However, he's a risky prospect whose athletic gifts come saddled with some serious durability/toughness concerns. Wells has a high center of gravity, long legs, and marginal avoidance skills. I think he’ll show flashes of dominance and possibly even win Rookie of the Year, but I wouldn’t want to invest in him at his current cost because I don’t think he’ll be successful over the long haul.

7. RB Donald Brown, Colts

Brown is a quick, explosive athlete who should at the very least offer a nice lightning complement to Joseph Addai. The big question is whether or not he has the potential to emerge as the workhorse back in the future. He’s not very big and although he runs hard, he simply doesn’t have the power to break NFL tackles and push the pile. He may be closer to Felix Jones than Edgerrin James. I would probably pass on him in favor of most of the first round WRs if given the choice, but he certainly has the potential to hit big. Bill Polian generally does a very good job of identifying players who fit his team’s system.

8. WR Jeremy Maclin, Eagles

Maclin has the speed to get deep and McNabb has the arm to find him. I think he’s slightly overrated, but he’s still a quality WR prospect and he’s much better than the likes of Troy Williamson (better hands) and Ted Ginn (better body proportions and strength). He’ll need to hone his route running if he’s going to live up to his hype, but he’s an immediate talent upgrade over Reggie Brown and potentially a long term WR1 for the Eagles.

Second Tier

9. RB LeSean McCoy, Philadelphia

McCoy landed in an ideal situation for a back with his skill set. He’s not a punishing runner, but his lateral quickness and receiving skills have drawn comparisons to Brian Westbrook. Now he’ll have a chance to emerge as Wesbrook’s successor. Will he capitalize on that opportunity? I don’t know. The last two players tabbed to fill that role failed miserably (Lorenzo Booker and Ryan Moats). I think McCoy is better than those guys, but he has some holes in his game. He dances too much and doesn’t have great power. He might be relegated to a situational role like Leon Washington or Jerious Norwood. Nevertheless, the prospect of getting the next Westbrook makes him a tempting option in the mid-late first round of rookie drafts.

10. WR Darrius Heyward-Bey, Raiders

Heyward-Bey is the biggest boom-or-bust proposition in this WR class and the Raiders have shown a willingness to gamble on specimens with serious question marks (JaMarcus Russell, Darren McFadden, Fabian Washington, Stanford Routt). This is an ugly combination of player and situation. I think DHB’s potential will be wasted here and I suspect his career will mirror that of Donte Stallworth. He’ll show flashes of brilliance, but never become a consistent scorer.

11. QB Matt Stafford, Lions

Stafford is an experienced player who will benefit greatly from the presence of Calvin Johnson and safety valve Brandon Pettigrew. He was the top pick in the draft and seemingly has a decent chance of developing into a quality NFL starter. On the downside, the Lions have a poor offensive line and have shown no ability to develop young talent. There are also some observers who question Stafford’s consistency and intangibles.

12. QB Mark Sanchez, Jets

The “it” factor is huge at the QB position and a lot of onlookers think Sanchez trumps Stafford in this regard. What worries me is the lack of experience and the fact that he might be another big program QB whose game is overrated because he plays for a national powerhouse. You have to be impressed by what he accomplished in his only season as a starter, but he’ll likely need some seasoning before he’s ready to face NFL defenses. Like any QB prospect, there’s tremendous bust risk.

13. WR Kenny Britt, Titans

Britt doesn’t move as well as the other top WRs in this draft, but he’s the biggest of the bunch and he landed in a place with a serious talent void at WR. The path to Tennessee’s WR1 job is wide open. Will Britt seize the opportunity? I’m not a believer in his skills, but you simply can’t ignore a productive first round WR with the potential to become his team’s go-to guy.

14. WR Brandon Tate, Patriots

I believe Tate is potentially one of the 3-4 best WRs from this class. Had he not ripped up his knee and failed a drug test, he likely would’ve been a late first-early second round pick. The fact that he has so many red flags and still managed to be the 10th WR drafted speaks volumes about his talent. Make no mistake, this isn’t Chad Jackson. This guy can play. He’s smooth, explosive, and coordinated. I think he has the potential to become a Derrick Mason or Donald Driver type. The character concerns are legitimate and he probably won’t be ready to contribute for 2-3 years, but if anyone is going to emerge from that glut of 3rd-4th round WRs and become a startable FF option, my money is on Tate.

Third Tier

15. RB Andre Brown, Giants

In many respects, Brown’s draft profile will remind you of Brandon Jacobs. Like Jacobs, Brown is a big power back with surprising speed and questionable durability. He was touted as a five star recruit coming out of high school, but he never lived up the hype at NC State. For all his physical gifts, he appears to have questionable instincts and decisiveness. He’s a stiff, upright runner who takes too many shots to his body. Despite all these flaws, Brown is a viable option after the top five RBs go off the board because he could conceivably thrive if Brandon Jacobs were to get injured (a very realistic possibility). Derrick Ward left in the offseason and Ahmad Bradshaw is just a complementary back.

16. WR Brian Robiskie, Browns

Robiskie is the kind of guy that pundits love to praise because he’s harmless. He’s a hard worker, his dad has NFL ties, and he was a solid player for a major program. That’s all well and fine, but is this guy really a special talent? He catches the ball well and there are no glaring holes in his game, but he’s not very gifted physically and I find it hard to believe that he’s going to emerge as a standout FF option. He’s not particularly strong, not particularly quick, and not particularly fast. Maybe I’m missing things, but I just don’t see any special qualities here. I think Robiskie will put up decent stats in the short term, but plateau at around 700-800 yards per season. Think Michael Jenkins, Reggie Brown, and Bryant Johnson. I’m avoiding him like poison in my drafts.

17. QB Josh Freeman, Buccaneers

The Bucs invested a top 20 pick in Freeman, meaning he’ll be given every opportunity to justify the pick and become their franchise QB. I have no idea whether he’ll succeed or fail. He has all of the physical ability that you look for, but you never know if a QB has the intangibles until he’s played some NFL games. I don’t particularly trust the direction of the Bucs franchise, so I’m erring towards skepticism when it comes to Freeman.

18. WR Mohamed Massaquoi, Browns

I think this could be another situation like Bryant Johnson/Anquan Boldin where a team drafts two WRs in the same year and the later pick ends up being the better player. There are serious question marks about Massaquoi’s consistency, but he’s a better athlete than Robiskie. He’s a fluid, well-built player who physically looks the part of an NFL starting WR. I don’t know if he’ll ever be able to live up to his potential, but he’s worth a look in the WR7-10 range.

19. WR Mike Thomas, Jaguars

More physically gifted than his new teammate Dillard, Thomas is in the same class as DHB and Harvin when it comes to raw athleticism. Unfortunately, he’s under 5'8 tall. Can someone that short really become a productive pro WR? I don’t know, but Thomas has a powerful frame for his height. Every short WR prospect with speed is compared to Steve Smith these days. Thomas is the first one who actually resembles the Carolina star. He’s a nice gamble once the elite talents are gone.

20. TE Jared Cook, Titans

Cook is an athletic specimen who will be groomed to replace Alge Crumpler. Tennessee has historically had some decent TEs, so this seems like a nice combination of opportunity and talent.

21. TE Brandon Pettigrew, Lions

Pettigrew looks like a low ceiling/high floor FF option who should eventually give you Heath Miller numbers with a slight chance of becoming a top 5 guy. His lack of elite burst prevents him from joining the Winslow/Shockey class as a receiving prospect.

22. QB Pat White, Dolphins

Whether White succeeds or fails, it will be interesting to watch his career unfold. The dual threat QB has seen his stock climb throughout the offseason to the point where the Dolphins felt comfortable spending a 2nd round pick on him despite having Chad Pennington and Chad Henne on the roster. His flashy running skills will likely land him some screen time on the highlight shows, but he will only become a relevant FF player if he’s able to develop as a passer and become a true quarterback. By all indications, he’ll at least be given the chance.

Fourth Tier

23. WR Jarett Dillard, Jaguars

Dillard slipped in the draft because he’s short, slender, and comparatively slow. He’s not laterally quick enough to project well as a slot WR and he doesn’t have the sheer size and/or speed that teams look for in an outside WR. Can he overcome these hurdles and become a productive pro? Hard to say for sure, but I wouldn’t count it out. He was immensely productive in college and he possesses all of the inherent skills that you look for from a receiver. He runs great routes, makes circus catches over defenders, and has vacuum hands. He’ll work hard and get the most out of his skills. I won’t guarantee success at the pro level, but I like him more than the remaining wideouts on the board.

24. RB Cedric Peerman, Ravens

Despite having an intriguing size/speed combo and a pretty decent college career, Peerman tumbled all the way to the 6th round of the draft. 6th round picks are a longshot and he faces an uphill battle to achieve significant FF value, but he has a versatile skill set with enough upside to potentially make some noise down the road. He has a stocky frame, good speed, and decent quicks. LeRon McClain is a gimmick and Willis McGahee is a husk of his former self, so there’s more opportunity in Baltimore than you might think.

25. WR Austin Collie, Colts

This is a nice synergy of talent and system. Collie isn’t explosive or fast, but he’s a smooth player with good hands and great production at the college level. If Anthony Gonzalez should falter in his first season as a starter, it’s possible that Collie could push him for the WR2 job opposite Reggie Wayne. Temper your expectations though. He’s a scrappy player, but not a freak talent. Guys like this seem to have trouble in today’s NFL. Had he not landed on the Colts, I would be skeptical of his chances.

26. RB Glen Coffee, 49ers

Coffee is a talented player. He had a great season last year in a tough conference, but I’m not sure how well his game will translate to the NFL. He’s built more like a WR than a RB at 6'2 and less than 200 pounds. I think he’s a poor man’s Kevin Smith and while he may have some short term value if Gore goes down, I don’t see him emerging as the successor in San Francisco. However, they drafted him so early that they must be pretty high on his game. He could be underrated here. If you don’t like the other late tier backs, you might want to take a chance on Coffee.

27. RB Gartrell Johnson, Chargers

Johnson’s workout numbers leave a lot to be desired, but he gets the most out of his ability. He profiles as a no-nonsense Mike Anderson type who can thrive in spurts. I doubt that he’ll duplicate the success of recent Chargers 5th round pick Michael Turner, but he’s a quality player who will make the roster. If LT breaks down in the next season or two, Johnson could be a decent stopgap solution.

28. RB Mike Goodson, Panthers

Goodson is a WR/RB tweener who has the raw ability to make a Norwood type impact for the Panthers. Right now he doesn’t have much opportunity, but DeAngelo Williams will be out of the picture eventually and Goodson could provide a little lightning to go along with Jonathan Stewart’s thunder. His upside might be limited because he probably doesn’t have the frame to handle a heavy workload.

29. TE Cornelius Ingram, Eagles

Ingram is one of the most athletic TEs in this draft and might have pushed for a top 100 spot in the draft if not for a serious injury. I think he has the talent to eventually become the top TE for the Eagles and I like his upside as a late pick if you need a TE.

30. WR Kenny McKinley, Broncos

I think McKinley is a solid player who could potentially have a quality career in the NFL. His overall game and talent level reminds me of Jets WR Chansi Stuckey. McKinley is quick, fast, and productive. He’s South Carolina’s career leader in receptions, but he has a slender frame and may be best suited to a reserve role. He’s also buried behind two elite young WRs, so we probably won’t hear much from him unless Marshall has further legal problems.

31. WR Johnny Knox, Bears

I haven’t seen him play much. All I know is that he looks pretty fluid and he has blistering speed. I think he has more upside than teammate Juaquin Iglesias. In a best case scenario, he could become a Lance Moore type for Chicago. Right now he’s just a project who’s much more likely to fail than succeed.

32. WR Ramses Barden, Giants

Barden is a king-sized WR who will have a chance to claim some of Plaxico’s red zone looks. There’s some long term potential here, but many scouts question Barden’s ability to separate and he’s probably only the third best young WR on this team behind Steve Smith and Hakeem Nicks. Monitor his training camp progress and consider acquiring him if he outplays Nicks. For now he looks like a one trick pony who may be limited to a narrow role as a red zone specialist.

33. TE Shawn Nelson, Bills

The Bills have been searching for a receiving threat at TE for a few years. They may have found their man in Nelson, who’s basically an oversized WR lining up at TE. His lack of blocking skills may limit his playing time, but he’s an athletic receiver who could become relevant in FF leagues.

Fifth Tier

34. RB James Davis, Browns

Once upon a time, Davis was thought to be a potential blue chip NFL prospect. He was eventually outed as a mediocre talent, but he has enough size and mobility to make some noise in the event of a Jamal Lewis injury. He could be this year’s Tim Hightower depending on how well Lewis plays. I doubt he has enough ability to emerge as Cleveland's next franchise back.

35. RB Rashad Jennings, Jaguars

Jennings will battle Chauncey Washington for a roster spot. Neither player deserves to take many carries away from MJD, but teams need multiple backs these days and Jennings has the potential to become a decent complement. He’ll probably only have significant FF value if Jones-Drew suffers an injury.

36. WR Derrick Williams, Lions

Derrick Williams is a quick return specialist who also offers potential as a WR. He was a five star recruit coming out of high school, but never really looked like a standout player when I watched him at Penn State. Nevertheless, he had a solid week of Senior Bowl practices and now has the opportunity to compete for a long term starting job opposite Calvin Johnson. I doubt he'll succeed, but you shouldn't ignore a 3rd round WR with an opportunity.

37. QB Stephen McGee, Dallas

McGee is an interesting project who figures to be the developmental QB3 behind Romo and Kitna next season. He’s an athletic QB whose stock rebounded after a disappointing career at Texas A&M. He looked very good at the Shrine Bowl and helped himself with a strong week of practice. The Dallas offense isn’t what it once was now that Owens is gone, but McGee has a chance to eventually blossom into a starter here or elsewhere. He looks like a decent late pick if you’re willing to be patient with him for a few years.

38. WR Mike Wallace, Steelers

Thomas was obviously drafted as a replacement for the departed Nate Washington. He’s a speedy receiver who should be able to threaten the secondary and make some big plays. Can he polish his game and become the heir to Hines Ward’s starting job? I doubt it.

39. WR Deon Butler, Seahawks

Mike Mayock thinks Butler will be a better pro receiver than his Penn State counterpart Derrick Williams. I tend to agree. Butler has good speed, hands, and route running skills. I think he projects nicely as a slot receiver. The Seahawks are probably hoping that he’ll fill the void created by Bobby Engram’s departure. He doesn’t have a huge upside, but he should be a decent pro.

40. WR Patrick Turner, Dolphins

Turner was a big time recruit coming out of high school. He gradually became an above average college player at USC, but never flashed the kind of talent that makes you think he can stick as a starter in the NFL. He’s a big target with halfway decent speed and hands, but he’s not explosive or aggressive. Basically, he’s Maurice Stovall with weaker jump ball skills.

41. WR Juaquin Iglesias, Bears

The Bears may have added Jay Cutler, but Jerry Angelo is still Jerry Angelo. I believe Iglesias is one of the most overrated WR prospects in the draft. He’s the classic big program WR whose skills are overhyped because he plays for a high profile team. He doesn’t have the size to be a power receiver or the speed to be a downfield receiver. He looks like a slot guy who will be useless for FF purposes.

42. RB Javon Ringer, Titans

Ringer is a squatty little back with a strong lower body and good lateral quickness. I don’t think he has the raw size needed to be a starter in the league, but he’ll make the roster and possibly contribute in the event of an injury. I don’t see him pushing LenDale White aside simply because he can’t match Fatty’s power even though he might be the better overall back.

43. TE James Casey, Texans

Casey is an interesting prospect thanks to his versatility and hands, but he’s buried behind a quality starter and I don’t know if he has the burst to emerge as a startable option. He will probably languish in obscurity behind Daniels for a few years and there's no guarantee that he'll get a shot to start elsewhere.

 
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30. WR Kenny McKinley, BroncosI think McKinley is a solid player who could potentially have a quality career in the NFL. His overall game and talent level reminds me of Jets WR Chansi Stuckey. McKinley is quick, fast, and productive. He’s South Carolina’s career leader in receptions, but he has a slender frame and may be best suited to a reserve role. He’s also buried behind two elite young WRs, so we probably won’t hear much from him unless Marshall has further legal problems.
The Broncos are already not interested in extending Marshall's contract right now so I think there's a good chance he's out of Denver next year, making room for McKinley as the #2. Marshall is going to want a huge contract and I doubt it's something the Broncos will be interested in with all the headaches he's caused them.
 
30. WR Kenny McKinley, BroncosI think McKinley is a solid player who could potentially have a quality career in the NFL. His overall game and talent level reminds me of Jets WR Chansi Stuckey. McKinley is quick, fast, and productive. He’s South Carolina’s career leader in receptions, but he has a slender frame and may be best suited to a reserve role. He’s also buried behind two elite young WRs, so we probably won’t hear much from him unless Marshall has further legal problems.
The Broncos are already not interested in extending Marshall's contract right now so I think there's a good chance he's out of Denver next year, making room for McKinley as the #2. Marshall is going to want a huge contract and I doubt it's something the Broncos will be interested in with all the headaches he's caused them.
That's good to know. I'm not sure McKinley will be impressive enough to make them feel comfortable letting Marshall walk, but he offers a nice combination of speed and skill.
 
JMO The best receiving TE in this draft is Travis Beckum. I think he's got a nice road to being the receiving TE on the Giants as Boss is a solid blocking TE. Would of been a late 1st/early 2nd if coming out last year. Have him as a PPR Top 20 player in the class.

Casey will be 25 this year. I just don't see the upside with him and age/development time isn't on his side. I think that was the biggest reason for his fall

 
30. WR Kenny McKinley, BroncosI think McKinley is a solid player who could potentially have a quality career in the NFL. His overall game and talent level reminds me of Jets WR Chansi Stuckey. McKinley is quick, fast, and productive. He’s South Carolina’s career leader in receptions, but he has a slender frame and may be best suited to a reserve role. He’s also buried behind two elite young WRs, so we probably won’t hear much from him unless Marshall has further legal problems.
The Broncos are already not interested in extending Marshall's contract right now so I think there's a good chance he's out of Denver next year, making room for McKinley as the #2. Marshall is going to want a huge contract and I doubt it's something the Broncos will be interested in with all the headaches he's caused them.
That's good to know. I'm not sure McKinley will be impressive enough to make them feel comfortable letting Marshall walk, but he offers a nice combination of speed and skill.
McKinley needs to get stronger. Also, he needs to improve his routes. The Broncos brought Gaffney in and they still have Stokely. They have depth. McKinley will be a guy that may need a year or so ....
 
I'm really surprised Nate Davis didn't make your list. He has fallen into a situation which appears much stronger than Pat White and Stephen McGee combined.

 
JMO The best receiving TE in this draft is Travis Beckum. I think he's got a nice road to being the receiving TE on the Giants as Boss is a solid blocking TE. Would of been a late 1st/early 2nd if coming out last year. Have him as a PPR Top 20 player in the class.Casey will be 25 this year. I just don't see the upside with him and age/development time isn't on his side. I think that was the biggest reason for his fall
Beckum slipped my mind. I would put him somewhere between Ingram and Casey.
 
I'm really surprised Nate Davis didn't make your list. He has fallen into a situation which appears much stronger than Pat White and Stephen McGee combined.
Yea, but is he any good?I had heard some hype about him during the season, so I made sure to check out his bowl game. He was dreadful. I know it was a particularly bad game for him, but if I hadn't known he was an NFL prospect then I wouldn't have known he was an NFL prospect. I just think the odds of him succeeding are remote. San Francisco needs a QB, but I'm not convinced that Nate Davis is up to the task.
 
Are you keeping Crabtree above Moreno in non-ppr leagues? Just curious, as I have the first pick in an upcoming dynasty rookie draft and keep flip-flopping on who to take. I think I prefer Moreno simply because of the QB situation in San Francisco.

 
Are you keeping Crabtree above Moreno in non-ppr leagues? Just curious, as I have the first pick in an upcoming dynasty rookie draft and keep flip-flopping on who to take. I think I prefer Moreno simply because of the QB situation in San Francisco.
No. Crab is good, but RBs usually have a big edge in non-PPR leagues. I would take Moreno or Greene.
 
I have major concerns about Maclin. I still think Westy and DeSean get theirs, and by the time Maclin develops into a true #1, we might be wondering who the QB is. Plus, with DeSean, we can't even pencil in this guy as the #1 returner. A good place for him to land in football terms, but I am not so sure about fantasy terms.

 
Good effort and I enjoy the read even if I dont like your Greene pick. I would take Wells all day of the week. Both are probably not 3rd down backs even though I think better chance of Wells getting there. Greene probably does not come out of the gates like Wells does and in the end if you like a guy, you can go get him after his rookie season if down year. Is Mendenhalls value anywhere near it was a year ago. Wells will get off to a good start. I think Washington >> Hightower also and takes carries away from Greene even if he was the starter with cutting Jones. I think Greene would face 8 man fronts compared to the 7 that Wells is going to face. Wells has the breakaway speed compared to a guy with none that will need 20 carries to do what Wells will do in 15. Wells was drafted in round 1 for a reason. The other lasted till round 3 for a reason. I also think that Wells TD chances will be way more as the Cards are a prolific O in the league.

There is no way I would even think of Greene over Wells in any league. Even in your shoes if you had the 1.3, you would either try to trade down or wait a year or 2 and grab Greene than for cheaper. I cant see anyway you would take Greene at the 1.3 in a draft if you had the pick. Especially since you know you can get him 1.7 or later in almost any draft. Wells is underrated on this board by a ton, IMO.

One thing I like about McCoy is he is only 20 and will grow into his body still. I like the McCoy chances over Greene myself. Not someone I would look to acquire but that is why we play the game and you do offer some different views which is outstanding.

 
Love your rankings and analysis. For those of us who are not avid college football fans, educated opinions and analysis like this in invaluable. Much appreciated.

Do you also do a non-PPR list? Clearly your focus in your leagues is on PPR, but I think your breakdowns are as good as any on this board and I would love to see a non-PPR list if you have it in you.

 
Do you also do a non-PPR list?
No, but the positional rankings would look very similar. Give a slight bump to the bigger backs and WRs. You might consider a guy like Nicks over Harvin in non-PPR since he's a bigger body in the red zone, but that's a tough call because Harvin is the more dynamic athlete. In non-PPR, you'll probably want to take all of the first tier RBs over the first tier WRs. The QBs should also get a bump because they tend to be worth more in those leagues.
 
I think Id put bernard scott ahead of ringer and Johnson, scott is a nice option for when your roster is full and you need a rookie to produce quickly, Ringer and Johnson will take 2-3 of being useless and they dont have the ceiling he has.

 
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Good effort and I enjoy the read even if I dont like your Greene pick. I would take Wells all day of the week. Both are probably not 3rd down backs even though I think better chance of Wells getting there. Greene probably does not come out of the gates like Wells does and in the end if you like a guy, you can go get him after his rookie season if down year. Is Mendenhalls value anywhere near it was a year ago. Wells will get off to a good start. I think Washington >> Hightower also and takes carries away from Greene even if he was the starter with cutting Jones. I think Greene would face 8 man fronts compared to the 7 that Wells is going to face. Wells has the breakaway speed compared to a guy with none that will need 20 carries to do what Wells will do in 15. Wells was drafted in round 1 for a reason. The other lasted till round 3 for a reason. I also think that Wells TD chances will be way more as the Cards are a prolific O in the league. There is no way I would even think of Greene over Wells in any league. Even in your shoes if you had the 1.3, you would either try to trade down or wait a year or 2 and grab Greene than for cheaper. I cant see anyway you would take Greene at the 1.3 in a draft if you had the pick. Especially since you know you can get him 1.7 or later in almost any draft. Wells is underrated on this board by a ton, IMO.
Wells has a higher ceiling than Greene, but I have little faith in his ability to stay healthy and maximize his talent. Draft position is a good general predictor of a player's odds of succeeding, but that doesn't mean it can't be wrong in individual cases. Steve Slaton, Matt Forte, and Chris Johnson are worth more than all of the RBs drafted ahead of them last year. Clinton Portis is worth more than TJ Duckett and William Green. Marion Barber and Frank Gore are worth more than Ronnie Brown, Cedric Benson, and Cadillac Williams. Maurice Jones-Drew is worth more than Laurence Maroney and Joseph Addai. The argument that "there's a reason player X was drafted in round 1 and player Y lasted till round 3" is correct more often than it's incorrect, but there are still plenty of cases where it's wrong. I think this is one of those cases. Moreover, Wells was the second to last pick in the first round and Greene was the first pick in the third round, so there were only 34 selections between them. That's a significant difference, but it's not huge. It's barely more than full round.Wells has talent. If he didn't, he wouldn't have been a first round pick. He's going to start next season and that gives him the immediate opportunity to excel and bump up his value. If he stays healthy, he'll almost certainly be worth more than Greene a year from now. However, I like Greene to have the better overall career. Just because I rank him fourth doesn't mean you have to take him that high. He's falling to the 6-10 range in most of my drafts. If you have a top 3-4 pick and you want Greene, you can jump down a few spots and still get him.
 
Interesting fact about Greene and Wells

August 21, 1985 Greene

August 7, 1988 Wells

3 fulls years minus 2 weeks. I know Greene missed 1 year in school, why the extra 2 years? The school cutoff date for Kindergartners is December 2 so it's not that, did Shonn get held back two years through high school? Interesting to say the least.

 
I think Id put bernard scott ahead of ringer and Johnson, scott is a nice option for when your roster is full and you need a rookie to produce quickly, Ringer and Johnson will take 2-3 of being useless and they dont have the ceiling he has.
He's definitely worth a look. I haven't seen much of him with my own two eyeballs since he's a small school guy.The Bengals just cut Perry and I don't think Benson is the long term answer. Scott could be a sneaky sleeper.
 
I think Id put bernard scott ahead of ringer and Johnson, scott is a nice option for when your roster is full and you need a rookie to produce quickly, Ringer and Johnson will take 2-3 of being useless and they dont have the ceiling he has.
He's definitely worth a look. I haven't seen much of him with my own two eyeballs since he's a small school guy.The Bengals just cut Perry and I don't think Benson is the long term answer. Scott could be a sneaky sleeper.
Even with the five arrests? I'll pass.
 
I think Id put bernard scott ahead of ringer and Johnson, scott is a nice option for when your roster is full and you need a rookie to produce quickly, Ringer and Johnson will take 2-3 of being useless and they dont have the ceiling he has.
He's definitely worth a look. I haven't seen much of him with my own two eyeballs since he's a small school guy.The Bengals just cut Perry and I don't think Benson is the long term answer. Scott could be a sneaky sleeper.
Even with the five arrests? I'll pass.
He was only charged once. Its no doubt a risky pick, its a quick boom-bust pick up thats good as you wont have to sit on him forever. He was uber productive in college, had a nice combine, he would have 2nd/3rd rounder if not for the luggage
 
I think Id put bernard scott ahead of ringer and Johnson, scott is a nice option for when your roster is full and you need a rookie to produce quickly, Ringer and Johnson will take 2-3 of being useless and they dont have the ceiling he has.
He's definitely worth a look. I haven't seen much of him with my own two eyeballs since he's a small school guy.The Bengals just cut Perry and I don't think Benson is the long term answer. Scott could be a sneaky sleeper.
Even with the five arrests? I'll pass.
He was only charged once. Its no doubt a risky pick, its a quick boom-bust pick up thats good as you wont have to sit on him forever. He was uber productive in college, had a nice combine, he would have 2nd/3rd rounder if not for the luggage
"Convicted? No, never convicted." :lmao:
 
Scott's the kind of player I like as a 2nd or 3rd round pick. It could be very clear quickly that he'll either pan out or not. I prefer that to players I think are a few years away, so they just sit on your roster for 3 years before you feel comfortable dropping them - see Chris Henry (Titans) and Chris Perry. Roster space waste. :mellow:

 
I think Id put bernard scott ahead of ringer and Johnson, scott is a nice option for when your roster is full and you need a rookie to produce quickly, Ringer and Johnson will take 2-3 of being useless and they dont have the ceiling he has.
He's definitely worth a look. I haven't seen much of him with my own two eyeballs since he's a small school guy.The Bengals just cut Perry and I don't think Benson is the long term answer. Scott could be a sneaky sleeper.
Even with the five arrests? I'll pass.
You have to consider the opportunity cost.When you talk about a guy like Scott, you're only giving up a 3rd-4th round rookie pick to get him. Most of the players picked in that range will be worthless. So you're not passing up anyone great if you take a chance on a risky prospect in that range.
 
30. WR Kenny McKinley, BroncosI think McKinley is a solid player who could potentially have a quality career in the NFL. His overall game and talent level reminds me of Jets WR Chansi Stuckey. McKinley is quick, fast, and productive. He’s South Carolina’s career leader in receptions, but he has a slender frame and may be best suited to a reserve role. He’s also buried behind two elite young WRs, so we probably won’t hear much from him unless Marshall has further legal problems.
The Broncos are already not interested in extending Marshall's contract right now so I think there's a good chance he's out of Denver next year, making room for McKinley as the #2. Marshall is going to want a huge contract and I doubt it's something the Broncos will be interested in with all the headaches he's caused them.
That's good to know. I'm not sure McKinley will be impressive enough to make them feel comfortable letting Marshall walk, but he offers a nice combination of speed and skill.
McKinley needs to get stronger. Also, he needs to improve his routes. The Broncos brought Gaffney in and they still have Stokely. They have depth. McKinley will be a guy that may need a year or so ....
likely battling Chad Jackson for a roster spot
 
EBF excellent list :bye: I think Id move Donald Brown ahead of the WRs, he's a much safer bet imo. Other than that and the absence of scott I think this list is much to reality closer then blooms :thumbup: (although bloom has alot more gutsy calls) Bloom has Dillard way too high still, I appreciate his bullishness about it, but I dont agree with him. to make a long story short bloom has Tate too low, Dillard, Thomas, DHB too high and the RBs as a whole too low, as well as Cook. I think Id move DHB down some more. I cant picture myself taking him over Stafford or Sanchez, I think he's got bust written all over him. Randy Moss couldnt succeed in Oakland, dont think DHB can succeed with ####ty coaches, crappie oline, and a crappy QB on a run heavy team.

 
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EBF excellent list :lmao: I think Id move Donald Brown ahead of the WRs, he's a much safer bet imo. Other than that and the absence of scott I think this list is much to reality closer then blooms :thumbup: (although bloom has alot more gutsy calls) Bloom has Dillard way too high still, I appreciate his bullishness about it, but I dont agree with him. to make a long story short bloom has Tate too low, Dillard, Thomas, DHB too high and the RBs as a whole too low, as well as Cook. I think Id move DHB down some more. I cant picture myself taking him over Stafford or Sanchez, I think he's got bust written all over him. Randy Moss couldnt succeed in Oakland, dont think DHB can succeed with ####ty coaches, crappie oline, and a crappy QB on a run heavy team.
Maclin and Harvin were both drafted ahead of Wells and Brown. Nicks and Britt were sandwiched in between. So I think the idea that Brown and Wells should automatically be the 3rd-4th picks in these leagues is flawed. This is a pretty strong WR class. I'm more impressed by Harvin and Nicks than I am by Brown and Wells. That's why I'm giving them the edge. Brown is a nice player who will help the Colts win games, but he may be nothing more than a committee back. DHB is pretty low here. If you follow my rankings, you probably won't get him in any of your leagues since Harvin and Greene often fall farther than him. As for Dillard, it's okay to be high on him, but you probably won't need to pull the trigger until the 20-30 range in most leagues. He's a good gamble there because the cost is very reasonable. If he busts, no big deal.
 
EBF excellent list :lmao: I think Id move Donald Brown ahead of the WRs, he's a much safer bet imo. Other than that and the absence of scott I think this list is much to reality closer then blooms :thumbup: (although bloom has alot more gutsy calls) Bloom has Dillard way too high still, I appreciate his bullishness about it, but I dont agree with him. to make a long story short bloom has Tate too low, Dillard, Thomas, DHB too high and the RBs as a whole too low, as well as Cook. I think Id move DHB down some more. I cant picture myself taking him over Stafford or Sanchez, I think he's got bust written all over him. Randy Moss couldnt succeed in Oakland, dont think DHB can succeed with ####ty coaches, crappie oline, and a crappy QB on a run heavy team.
FYI, Ive already moved Tate and Cook up in my rankings as of yesterday, it's reflected in my FBG rankings. As far as DHB goes... this will be a fun one to watch play out.
 
I use a combination of pre nfl rankings (talent based) with nfl draft

position and apply VBD principles using a 3 year rolling window. I don't

make precise projections especialy with so much still unknown but I do

consider a range I might expect each player to perform in if they are

successful. How likely I expect their success to be is another factor.

These are rookies. 1st of all I want guys who can make a team. But if the

players role on the team looks small or supporting I have to take that into

consideration. What is the players real upside? Countered by odds the player

has to get such an opportunity? I still don't have hard numbers for this.

That is going to take me months. But I do have a general idea of what to

expect as a best case scenario. There is no floor here since that is zero.

This causes my picks to be riskier sometimes but I am looking for guys I can

start. Replacement level players need a lot of upside. A longshot

opportunity player with talent is often worth the risk over a stop gap

player in a better situation.

It is because of this I have a hard time with players on the same team in

similar roles.

For example Coffee and Sheets. Both backup RB players to Gore a decent

upside situation. Coffee was drafted early 3rd round. Sheets wasn't even

drafted but I liked Sheets talent more pre draft. More than likely the 49ers

are right and Coffee will beat out Sheets but it is not a given. Because of

this I have Coffee lower than I would if I thought he was anything more than

a stop gap solution. Even recognizing that he could have a very strong

string of games at some point should gore miss time. And most likely the

backup over Sheets. I see Coffee as a guy the 9ers will always be looking to

upgrade. And they might have found one in Sheets. My ranking still has

Coffee higher but they both got knocked down a great deal so to the

uncertainty.

Another example is Dillard and Thomas. I see Thomas as a replacement for

Northcutt once he is done. A valuable player to the Jaguars offense for sure

but not a player who is very startable. Especialy when one might get

anything out of him for 2-3 years. That being said there is a lot of upside

here as some think he has talent possibly greater than Northcutt. I dunno.

Many NFL teams shy away from a player like Thomas because he is short. The

Jaguars are a team without that bias however. Just look at MJD. That

doesen't mean that Thomas has similar talent to MJD however. Thomas was

taken early round 4. MJD was taken late round 2.

Dillard was a later pick than Thomas round 5. I think his game translates to

a starting outside WR more than Thomas does. If Dillard has issues beating the press he could compete with Thomas in the slot. I like Dillards intangibles more. He has more relaible hands I think and a willingness to go over the middle. I like Dillard work ethic too.

All that being said I see them both as backup WR who may or may not ever move up the depth chart. I think Dillard has more upside even though Thomas may be a more physicaly gifted player. Both of these guys get knocked down my list because they are competing with each other. There are other rookies with a clearer path to success with similar talent and draft position.

I understand really liking these players. And if your only drafting rookies then that is all that's there. But I think it is important to remember what these guys are up against for compitition with veteran players already on their team. I doubt either of these guys can beat out Northcutt or Holt in year one. The Jaguars are a running team and they like to have blockers on the field.

Jerome Simpson and Andre Caldwell were drafted in round 2 and 3 in a WR weak draft last year but these players were not that highly coveted in rookie drafts last year. ADP was around 3rd-5th round of rookie drafts with only a few exceptions in round 2. I like Caldwell better than any of them but I wasn't thinking about taking him in the 2nd round.

That being said I guess Holt/Northcutt is less intimidating than Ocho/Housh/Coles were/are opportunity wise.

 
Bia,

The overall depth isn't as strong this year. The first round is great, but there's not much after that. That's why I made aggressive moves to get Tate in several leagues. He looked like the only 3rd round WR with legit skills.

Remember that last year we had 5 RBs selected in round 1 along with something like 10 WRs picked in round 2 with a few more in round 3. You can't compare how people treated Simpson/Caldwell to how they're treating Dillard/Thomas. Two totally different classes with different dynamics. The 15-30 range of rookie drafts looks more barren this year. No doubt there will be a couple gems who emerge from there, but the talent doesn't look to be on par with what we saw in that range last year. So you pick your favorite sleeper, roll the dice, and hope you hit the jackpot.

 
Bia,The overall depth isn't as strong this year. The first round is great, but there's not much after that. That's why I made aggressive moves to get Tate in several leagues. He looked like the only 3rd round WR with legit skills. Remember that last year we had 5 RBs selected in round 1 along with something like 10 WRs picked in round 2 with a few more in round 3. You can't compare how people treated Simpson/Caldwell to how they're treating Dillard/Thomas. Two totally different classes with different dynamics. The 15-30 range of rookie drafts looks more barren this year. No doubt there will be a couple gems who emerge from there, but the talent doesn't look to be on par with what we saw in that range last year. So you pick your favorite sleeper, roll the dice, and hope you hit the jackpot.
Hmm maybe your right. I go heavy IDP around pick 17. There are still some players I like though. We'll see.Sorry about the above post. Not sure what happened there.
 
In the past 8 drafts or so, RB's taken in the 1st round have approximatley a 69% chance of becoming legit fantasy performers whereas WR's taken in the 1st only have about a 38% chance of becoming legit fantasy performers. Just sayin'...

 
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Bia,The overall depth isn't as strong this year. The first round is great, but there's not much after that. That's why I made aggressive moves to get Tate in several leagues. He looked like the only 3rd round WR with legit skills. Remember that last year we had 5 RBs selected in round 1 along with something like 10 WRs picked in round 2 with a few more in round 3. You can't compare how people treated Simpson/Caldwell to how they're treating Dillard/Thomas. Two totally different classes with different dynamics. The 15-30 range of rookie drafts looks more barren this year. No doubt there will be a couple gems who emerge from there, but the talent doesn't look to be on par with what we saw in that range last year. So you pick your favorite sleeper, roll the dice, and hope you hit the jackpot.
I agree. The 15-30 range is awful. I had three picks in that area and was able to bundle them to move up to grab Harvin once he slipped all the way to 9. I figured I'd rather roll the dice on a guy I at least know has talent especially since those mid-second round picks I had were practically worthless in my opinion.
 
speaking of Lorenzo Booker, remember all the man love being thrown at him a couple of years ago around draft time? I wasted some dynasty picks on him for sure.

 
42. RB Javon Ringer, TitansRinger is a squatty little back with a strong lower body and good lateral quickness. I don’t think he has the raw size needed to be a starter in the league, but he’ll make the roster and possibly contribute in the event of an injury. I don’t see him pushing LenDale White aside simply because he can’t match Fatty’s power even though he might be the better overall back.
The Titans don't appear happy with White and this is the last year of his contract. Ringer could be the backup as soon as next season, which as we know can be valuable on the Titans .
 
Bia,

The overall depth isn't as strong this year. The first round is great, but there's not much after that. That's why I made aggressive moves to get Tate in several leagues. He looked like the only 3rd round WR with legit skills.

Remember that last year we had 5 RBs selected in round 1 along with something like 10 WRs picked in round 2 with a few more in round 3. You can't compare how people treated Simpson/Caldwell to how they're treating Dillard/Thomas. Two totally different classes with different dynamics. The 15-30 range of rookie drafts looks more barren this year. No doubt there will be a couple gems who emerge from there, but the talent doesn't look to be on par with what we saw in that range last year. So you pick your favorite sleeper, roll the dice, and hope you hit the jackpot.
I agree. The 15-30 range is awful. I had three picks in that area and was able to bundle them to move up to grab Harvin once he slipped all the way to 9. I figured I'd rather roll the dice on a guy I at least know has talent especially since those mid-second round picks I had were practically worthless in my opinion.
I don't blame you. That group is pretty weak. There's a reason nobody after Tate is highlighted in green. There are a few mid-late round guys who look like they could possibly be steals (Thomas, Dillard, McKinley), but there's no one who inspires enough confidence to make me think they will probably be steals.

 
speaking of Lorenzo Booker, remember all the man love being thrown at him a couple of years ago around draft time? I wasted some dynasty picks on him for sure.
I've been wrong plenty of times in the past, but I got Booker right. I never bought the hype. McCoy is more promising. Overrated? Maybe. Not as bad as Booker though. I think he has a lot more upside.
 
42. RB Javon Ringer, TitansRinger is a squatty little back with a strong lower body and good lateral quickness. I don’t think he has the raw size needed to be a starter in the league, but he’ll make the roster and possibly contribute in the event of an injury. I don’t see him pushing LenDale White aside simply because he can’t match Fatty’s power even though he might be the better overall back.
The Titans don't appear happy with White and this is the last year of his contract. Ringer could be the backup as soon as next season, which as we know can be valuable on the Titans .
It's something to pay attention to. Ringer has enough talent to justify being picked 10-20 spots higher than where I ranked him. He's good enough to put up some stats if he gets an opportunity, but he won't be handed any carries on a platter.
 
I just find it interesting how different EBF's board looks compared to Bloom's, even at the top of the draft:

EBF Bloom

Michael Crabtree 1 2

Knowshon Moreno 2 1

Percy Harvin 3 11

Hakeen Nicks 4 6

Shonn Greene 5 10

Chris Wells 6 4

Donald Brown 7 3

Jeremy Maclin 8 8

LeSean McCoy 9 5

DHB 10 7

And I'm not necessarily complaining, but I don't really see a consensus being formed in the next month or two before training camps start.

Last year everyone pretty much had a top 4 of (in some order) McFadden, Jonathan Stewart, Mendenhall, and Matt Forte. It doesn't look like we'll really see that this year.

 
I just find it interesting how different EBF's board looks compared to Bloom's, even at the top of the draft:

EBF Bloom

Michael Crabtree 1 2

Knowshon Moreno 2 1

Percy Harvin 3 11

Hakeen Nicks 4 6

Shonn Greene 5 10

Chris Wells 6 4

Donald Brown 7 3

Jeremy Maclin 8 8

LeSean McCoy 9 5

DHB 10 7

And I'm not necessarily complaining, but I don't really see a consensus being formed in the next month or two before training camps start.

Last year everyone pretty much had a top 4 of (in some order) McFadden, Jonathan Stewart, Mendenhall, and Matt Forte. It doesn't look like we'll really see that this year.
There were 6 RB taken in the 1st round last year and 0 WR.Peoples opinions on WR probably varies more than on RBs. Also most rookie WR at best will become WR2s for FF. Some of these could be future WR1 but I don't think many people agree about which ones have that chance. With risk could come some reward. Safer WR like Nicks and Maclin may not have the same upside as Harvin or DHB. But they may have steadier careers. Harvin could bust from legal issues on top of normal risk to bust. Some people really doubt DHB ability to run routes and catch the ball consistently.

Greene may have a clearer path to significant carries than McCoy but McCoy doesen't have Washington to contend with either.

I am a bit suprised that Bloom has Brown over Wells. Even more suprised that EBF has Harvin, Nicks and Green ahead of him.

 
In the past 8 drafts or so, RB's taken in the 1st round have approximatley a 69% chance of becoming legit fantasy performers whereas WR's taken in the 1st only have about a 38% chance of becoming legit fantasy performers. Just sayin'...
People quote statistics to prove anything.......83% of people know that.
 
I am a bit suprised that Bloom has Brown over Wells. Even more suprised that EBF has Harvin, Nicks and Green ahead of him.
Bear in mind that Harvin and Nicks were both drafted ahead of Wells. Wells will get an early opportunity to make an impact. If you're looking for a short term boom candidate, he's a good option. He's definitely more talented than Hightower and he could have a big year if he stays healthy. I just don't think he's going to be a durable back in the long run. He has a higher ceiling than Greene. Greene looks like a safer long term pick.
 
Bia,

The overall depth isn't as strong this year. The first round is great, but there's not much after that. That's why I made aggressive moves to get Tate in several leagues. He looked like the only 3rd round WR with legit skills.

Remember that last year we had 5 RBs selected in round 1 along with something like 10 WRs picked in round 2 with a few more in round 3. You can't compare how people treated Simpson/Caldwell to how they're treating Dillard/Thomas. Two totally different classes with different dynamics. The 15-30 range of rookie drafts looks more barren this year. No doubt there will be a couple gems who emerge from there, but the talent doesn't look to be on par with what we saw in that range last year. So you pick your favorite sleeper, roll the dice, and hope you hit the jackpot.
I agree. The 15-30 range is awful. I had three picks in that area and was able to bundle them to move up to grab Harvin once he slipped all the way to 9. I figured I'd rather roll the dice on a guy I at least know has talent especially since those mid-second round picks I had were practically worthless in my opinion.
I don't blame you. That group is pretty weak. There's a reason nobody after Tate is highlighted in green. There are a few mid-late round guys who look like they could possibly be steals (Thomas, Dillard, McKinley), but there's no one who inspires enough confidence to make me think they will probably be steals.
Don't sleep on Johnny Knox :thumbup:
 
I am a bit suprised that Bloom has Brown over Wells. Even more suprised that EBF has Harvin, Nicks and Green ahead of him.
Bear in mind that Harvin and Nicks were both drafted ahead of Wells. Wells will get an early opportunity to make an impact. If you're looking for a short term boom candidate, he's a good option. He's definitely more talented than Hightower and he could have a big year if he stays healthy. I just don't think he's going to be a durable back in the long run. He has a higher ceiling than Greene. Greene looks like a safer long term pick.
Not picking on you EBF but I just think it's funny that the MOST OF US have a perception that Wells is injury prone and yet his new head coach comes out and says this...From Rotoworld;

Chris Wells-RB- Cardinals Apr. 30 - 10:10 pm et

Coach Ken Whisenhunt said first-rounder Chris Wells' ability to play through injuries was one reason the Cardinals liked him enough to draft him.

Wells was constantly banged up at Ohio State, but he missed only three games in three years. "One of the things I liked about him was his toughness," said Whisenhunt. "He had some injuries, but he played through them. To me that's what the NFL is all about."

Source: Associated Press

 
I am a bit suprised that Bloom has Brown over Wells. Even more suprised that EBF has Harvin, Nicks and Green ahead of him.
Bear in mind that Harvin and Nicks were both drafted ahead of Wells. Wells will get an early opportunity to make an impact. If you're looking for a short term boom candidate, he's a good option. He's definitely more talented than Hightower and he could have a big year if he stays healthy. I just don't think he's going to be a durable back in the long run. He has a higher ceiling than Greene. Greene looks like a safer long term pick.
Take a look at RB's taken in the third round in the past 10 years and tell me how safe he is. He has about a 23% chance of becoming starter on your fantasy team. He lasted until the 3rd round for a reason. The NFL is generally pretty good at judging talent. Of course, there are always exceptions, but I doubt Greene is one.
 

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