Dynasty Question: When to Blow Up Your Dynasty Team? (1 Viewer)

[az_prof]

I've never felt the need because I am sort of always monitoring the age and talent of my team.  That isn't to say that I haven't had some bad years but just doing the normal drafting process I've been able to be a strong team in two years without "blowing it up."  If I took over a team that was pretty much devoid of talent except one or two good veterans I would probably try to trade those guys for as many picks as I could but in general if you have to turn over 50% or more of your roster then you are doing something wrong.

 

[Gally]

The 1.01 and 2.01 is worth more than Juju IMO, plus I assured myself a higher draft pick by getting him off my roster if he exploded like he is capable of.  Stafford and 1.03 is worth more than Mahomes in single QB especially when I also have Brees/Bridgewater, and Tannehill to start or trade in the future.  I strategically traded directly with the future owners of the 1.01 and 1.03 picks to sell them assets that were valuable, but wouldn't get them out of the cellar by very much, if at all.  The guy buying Mahomes had no business trading Stafford and 1.03 for him when his roster was trash.  

But now you are hoping to hit on draft picks that will just replace Juju and Mahomes calibur of player......when you already had those guys proven in the NFL.  Draft picks are overrated by many dynasty owners.  I would rather have kept much of what you traded away.  Now you just have to hope to hit on picks to just get that same talent back.

 

[BINGBING]

But now you are hoping to hit on draft picks that will just replace Juju and Mahomes calibur of player......when you already had those guys proven in the NFL.  Draft picks are overrated by many dynasty owners.  I would rather have kept much of what you traded away.  Now you just have to hope to hit on picks to just get that same talent back.

You clearly don't understand how much Mahomes is really worth in a 1 QB league, so i'm gonna just let that one wash past, other than saying I owned Rodgers from day one in this start-up and nobody wanted to pay up for the sure fire QB1 for the next decade that he was declared to be just three years ago.  Juju is a stud, but if you actually think he is worth more than the 1st and 13th best player combined in this draft class then that's fine.  Most start-up mocks already have the 1.01 ranked above him.  It doesn't sound like you know much about the upcoming talent in this draft. 

I led the league in total points and VP's for three straight years, so what do I know.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I've never felt the need because I am sort of always monitoring the age and talent of my team.  That isn't to say that I haven't had some bad years but just doing the normal drafting process I've been able to be a strong team in two years without "blowing it up."  If I took over a team that was pretty much devoid of talent except one or two good veterans I would probably try to trade those guys for as many picks as I could but in general if you have to turn over 50% or more of your roster then you are doing something wrong.

I dunno...Ish happens. Players get hurt, coaches ruin teams, players age, hold out, or a team could draft a young player who takes over for one of your dudes - stuff happens. If enough of it happens at once,

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

But now you are hoping to hit on draft picks that will just replace Juju and Mahomes calibur of player......when you already had those guys proven in the NFL.  Draft picks are overrated by many dynasty owners.  I would rather have kept much of what you traded away.  Now you just have to hope to hit on picks to just get that same talent back.

Or trade for players instead of picks, which I’d be more inclined to do. 

unless you believe the 1.01 is going to be the next Saquon Barkley or Kelce or whatever, in which case you go for the pick. 

 

[Miro Z]

When your team consist of A. Brown, T. Gurley, A. Rodgers, O. Beckham and Gronkowski.

But this is actually almost a perfect example of a team NOT to blow-up.

Rodgers, Gurley and Beckham are a fantastic core. Rodgers and Beckham are still going to be playing in 5 years time (Gurley less so, but still has a couple of years left).

Gronk and Brown are done, but who cares? All you need to do is find another good couple of RBs and WRs, and there are always options in the draft or on waivers, ALWAYS. I just won a dynasty league starting players like Breshad Perriman, DeAndre Washington and Patrick Laird in the playoffs.

I would even challenge the whole concept of rebuilding in dynasty. Unless your team is totally terrible, you should always have a shot of winning EVERY league EVERY year. I can't tell you how often I see teams obviously rebuilding in dynasty and how they usually fail.

The whole popularity of rebuilding rests on a misconception, that only perfect teams with LJ, CMC, Saquon etc win leagues. The reality, and one that canny dynasty owners who've been doing this for decades know, is really that you just have to reach the playoffs and then it's a crapshoot, there are always unknowns who come out of nowhere and go on crazy streaks, while top players underperform, you just have to get lucky and ride the wave.

 

[Miro Z]

I led a dynasty league in points and VP's in all three years of it's existence.  Just before the season starts I lost Antonio Brown, I was concerned how things were looking for AJ Green, and I was really starting to doubt Dante Pettis as a potential WR 4, and my depth at RB was Lamar Miller, Hyde, and Duke Johnson...who all three ended up on the Texans together and it blew up what little RB depth I had.  Week 1 I was starting Hines, Trey Quinn, and Boykin.  I was doomed.

1QB 12 team PPR - I sold Mahomes, Rodgers, Hyde, Ito Smith, Juju, AJG, Pettis, Kelce, and Hollister.

I now have - 1.01, 1.02, 1.03, 1.06, 1.11, 2.01, 2.02, 2.06, 2.11, 2.12. 

Juju was the only young talent that was a big loss, but he got me the 1.01 and 2.01.  Mahomes of course is a stud, but this was start 1 QB and I got the Stafford and the 1.03 for him.  This was an extreme case.  I've never been in a spot where I had to flip over and have a whole new roster going into the next year.

I don't think one should ever, ever trade Mahomes or any other young stud like CMC or Saquon. Those are the players one should aspire to possess. It's always better to keep them and build around them than to trade them and try to build something new. There is a less than 50% of the 1.3 turning out well. You just don't know. The 1.3 last year was often David Montgomery or N'Keal Harry. Both may come good but it isn't looking great. Mahomes is a sensation and will be for a decade +.

 

[IHEARTFF]

The 1.3 this year isn’t Montgomery

 

[Miro Z]

The 1.3 this year isn’t Montgomery

Obviously not, but my point is that the 1.3 pick often does not work out.

The year before Rashaad Penny, Kerryon Johnson or Ronald Jones were often going at 1.3.

You just don't know what you're going to get, which is why I would recommend retaining Mahomes rather than trading him for the 1.3.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Obviously not, but my point is that the 1.3 pick often does not work out.

The year before Rashaad Penny, Kerryon Johnson or Ronald Jones were often going at 1.3.

You just don't know what you're going to get, which is why I would recommend retaining Mahomes rather than trading him for the 1.3.

Fair enough. It’s pretty close and keeping Mahomes is fine too. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

 Draft picks are overrated by many dynasty owners. 

Yes and no.

I can easily say draft pick are underrated by many dynasty owners and be just as right. Drafting core guys like Barkley, Elliot, Hopkins, Chubb, Evans, McCaffrey, Adams, Brown, etc. are the cheapest way you are ever going to acquire them in a dynasty league. I'm sure the guy who traded me the 1.01 for LeVeon Bell (still a "stud" at the time) and Marshawn Lynch where I was able to draft Barkley isn't so pleased with that decision right now. Obviously draft picks bust but anyone that plays re-draft knows that established "studs" also bust quite often. There are many ways to win in the hobby, and I've seen owners mocked for tearing apart a decent playoff team for picks and prospects and get the last laugh by appearing in the championship game annually.

 

[Gally]

Yes and no.

I can easily say draft pick are underrated by many dynasty owners and be just as right. Drafting core guys like Barkley, Elliot, Hopkins, Chubb, Evans, McCaffrey, Adams, Brown, etc. are the cheapest way you are ever going to acquire them in a dynasty league. I'm sure the guy who traded me the 1.01 for LeVeon Bell (still a "stud" at the time) and Marshawn Lynch where I was able to draft Barkley isn't so pleased with that decision right now. Obviously draft picks bust but anyone that plays re-draft knows that established "studs" also bust quite often. There are many ways to win in the hobby, and I've seen owners mocked for tearing apart a decent playoff team for picks and prospects and get the last laugh by appearing in the championship game annually.

Draft picks are a crap shoot.  You mortgage your team to get the 1.01 and he ends up as Corey Davis where one of the picks you gave up (1.11) turns into Alvin Kamara.  

I am not saying you don't need draft picks.  I am saying they are so difficult to predict that you can still get studs without needing to mortgage your team just to get pick 1.01.  For every Barkley there is a Monte Ball.  Give me players that have at least shown something in the NFL.  The cost less than the shiny new toy and you have a better chance of hitting.

Yes, acquiring more and more picks gives you a better chance to land the stud rookie but for every stud you get you end up with 5 duds.  That is not a recipe for long term success.

 

[Miro Z]

Except this isnt true for the most part. 1st round picks are about 50/50. So if you have 6 picks, chances are favorable that you'll have 3 hits, 3 duds. 

I think that is about right.

Btw, I am not anti-trading players for draft picks at all, just not young superstars.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Draft picks are a crap shoot. 

My first two draft picks in re-draft this year were JuJu and OBJ - lets face it, all of Fantasy Football is a crapshoot at times. And no one is suggesting "mortgaging their teams" to just get picks. The topic of this thread is asking for when a rebuild is warranted. A team considering a tear down is likely in need of securing a future.

 

[Tornacl]

For me, I like to make trades and changes, so blowing up a team is fun, provided it is an active league where owners are inclined to make a lot of trades and "go for it."

I've been successful in some of those rebuilds by trading for picks during the season when picks aren't as valuable for contending teams and veterans are worth more.  Then turning around and trading those same picks in the off-season when owners get rookie fever, making the picks worth more and the prospects and veterans devalued. 

One of my favorite moves is trade down, but not necessarily for extra picks.  Instead, trade down a couple of spots where you get a clear upgrade for a player.  Personally, I like this move because the picks are often over-valued and the players are under-valued during the draft.  So if I think I can still get a rookie that I like just as much, but get a clear upgrade on one of my starters or flex players, I'll do that every time.  IMO you can often upgrade a starter for a player that is more valuable (either younger or better, sometimes both) and a more proven quantity, while not really changing the odds of hitting on your draft pick.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Interesting evolution of the discussion. Added a related poll question. 

 

[Gally]

You clearly don't understand how much Mahomes is really worth in a 1 QB league, so i'm gonna just let that one wash past, other than saying I owned Rodgers from day one in this start-up and nobody wanted to pay up for the sure fire QB1 for the next decade that he was declared to be just three years ago.  Juju is a stud, but if you actually think he is worth more than the 1st and 13th best player combined in this draft class then that's fine.  Most start-up mocks already have the 1.01 ranked above him.  It doesn't sound like you know much about the upcoming talent in this draft. 

I led the league in total points and VP's for three straight years, so what do I know.

I do understand the value, although I don't know what understanding Mahomes value has to do with my comment.   I know what I have in Mahomes.  I have no idea what I will get with the draft pick.  I would rather have the consensus #1 QB for long term dynasty success than a crap shoot of a draft pick.  If I were trying to rebuild Mahomes would be the type of player I would want to build around. 

 I just don't value draft picks the same as you.  I have had hits and misses with draft picks but the perceived value typically does not ever get reached.  Draft picks are shiny new toys with lots of  hope.  Every player drafted is thought to hit otherwise why would you draft them?  However, in reality they rarely hit up to the top end expectations - which is what most owners value draft picks as.  They see the top end of the player they could be getting in the draft and want that price to move them.  To me it's not worth it. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

selling off vets for draft picks can be beneficial if done right, in the right amount. Going 100% draft is a recipe for a long rebuild. Going 100% players is probably a recipe for something similar as those players are typically worth more. A healthy mix is likely the best way to do it. And probably the most fun too!

I agree with this. If I’m dealing for picks I’m doing it with players close to aging out like Larry Fitz or Tom Brady. If I’m dealing a younger player I want players in return. Proven assets who can help me win. 

If I can pick up some picks as a toss-in to sweeten a deal to my favor I will, but that’s hardly a priority for me.

i suspect most in my league overvalue picks a bit. In trade talks people love to say things like “so-and-so is a 2nd round value to me” - ok, thanks for Boyd for my 2nd round pick, and good luck getting a WR with his upside at 2.10. It’s possible,  but a bit less likely. OTOH, maybe they land the next elite player by accident and it all works out. 

i’d always rather have the player. 

 

[Gally]

Except this isnt true for the most part. 1st round picks are about 50/50. So if you have 6 picks, chances are favorable that you'll have 3 hits, 3 duds. 

I am not sure if I agree about the 50-50.  Very rarely do I see a 1st round rookie draft where 6 of 12 picks are foundational hits.  The whole crux of the rebuild is that you are finding foundational pieces with your draft pick and I don't think there are that many of those each year on average.  Obviously there are some drafts better than others which increase or decrease your probability but over the course of years I would say there are probably 2 or 3 foundational type players.  Now granted there can be another 4 or 6 serviceable players that will have value but the point in going draft heavy is to find corner pieces to build your team around.  I just don't think there are that many of those each year. 

 

[Gally]

My first two draft picks in re-draft this year were JuJu and OBJ - lets face it, all of Fantasy Football is a crapshoot at times. And no one is suggesting "mortgaging their teams" to just get picks. The topic of this thread is asking for when a rebuild is warranted. A team considering a tear down is likely in need of securing a future.

I agree that the point of rebuilding is trying to find center pieces to build around.  To me trading away players like Mahomes or Juju to now have to replace those players that are widely considered foundational players is a downgrade.  Finding foundational players in the draft is hard.  I don't there are typically more than 2 or 3 year so the chances of you getting them are not very high.  Give me players that have shown to be solid NFL players while playing in the NFL over the draft picks. 

In addition you can find those foundation guys with later picks (like Kamara) so paying the necessary resources to obtain a top pick that is at best a 50-50 return for a foundational player seems like a bad idea to me.  The perceived value of those picks is much higher than the actual (in hindsight) value.  Occasionally there is a Barkley but more often than not there are Monte Balls.....or Jhavid Best's

I agree FF is a crapshoot......which is why overpaying for lottery ticket picks seems like a bad idea because it minimizes your probabilities over known quantities.  Now everyone needs picks to refresh your team but overpaying for those seems like a bad idea when you can find those players later anyway with not much worse of a chance of hitting.  It's the value difference that is the problem for me. 

 

[Gally]

I think our definitions of hits are different

You are looking for a "franchise" player. I'm talking about guys who can be fantasy starters. 

I would hope most people would agree that counting on 6 draft picks being franchise players is foolish. 

But if you are giving away known talent to obtain draft picks in a rebuild aren't you trying to get franchise players to build around?   Isn't that point of that action?  I agree that a hit on a rookie pick is finding a starter but many of the prices you pay to obtain first round rookie picks are the prices for franchise players.  That is why I don't think it is worth it to pay those draft pick prices. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

In addition you can find those foundation guys with later picks (like Kamara)

Kamara was a first round pick - he went between 1.06 and 1.10 on average.

 

[kittenmittens]

I wouldnt trade a franchise piece unless that's all I have. 

When I took over my main orphan 2 years ago I traded OBJ away, as the team was in major need of an overhaul. I didnt have a whole lot else (Corey Davis, but I liked his upside at the time, Aaron Jones but I liked him too). What I got for him was considered not enough by the FBG community (1.2, 1.3, Engram, Cooper). I felt like I was getting 2 potential franchise players and a good shot at a 3rd. I traded 1.3 and Cooper away for more assets. I had 1.1 already and Barkley was my "franchise player." I'd trade some or all of my 2020 first rounders for a "franchise" guy in a heartbeat, provided it's fair return value on the calculators I use. 

I'm probably not the right person to have this conversation with as I dont stop at one trade, I try to churn and churn until I have either players I like or picks to keep or trade for more players. I think we likely agree more than we disagree on this. Trading for picks during the season to turn around and trade when rookie fever sets in is the best way to maximize value IMO. I dont think you need to sell your franchise guy in many cases. In most cases a franchise player should net more than just 1 first rounder. I prefer to deal players that can be sent away for a 1st straight up (Woods, Ingram, H. Henry in one of my leagues that needed a rebuild). 

This.  I just churn value value value.  Sell at peaks.  When I rebuild I usually consolidate all value to the top of my roster and profit from being the first to the waiver wire because I have roster spots for days. 

In one bankroll league I made more bankroll than the entire 1.01 draft pays out just selling guys like Ty Johnson, Brian Hill, etc as the weeks went along. 

 

[Gally]

I wouldnt trade a franchise piece unless that's all I have. 

When I took over my main orphan 2 years ago I traded OBJ away, as the team was in major need of an overhaul. I didnt have a whole lot else (Corey Davis, but I liked his upside at the time, Aaron Jones but I liked him too). What I got for him was considered not enough by the FBG community (1.2, 1.3, Engram, Cooper). I felt like I was getting 2 potential franchise players and a good shot at a 3rd. I traded 1.3 and Cooper away for more assets. I had 1.1 already and Barkley was my "franchise player." I'd trade some or all of my 2020 first rounders for a "franchise" guy in a heartbeat, provided it's fair return value on the calculators I use. 

I'm probably not the right person to have this conversation with as I dont stop at one trade, I try to churn and churn until I have either players I like or picks to keep or trade for more players. I think we likely agree more than we disagree on this. Trading for picks during the season to turn around and trade when rookie fever sets in is the best way to maximize value IMO. I dont think you need to sell your franchise guy in many cases. In most cases a franchise player should net more than just 1 first rounder. I prefer to deal players that can be sent away for a 1st straight up (Woods, Ingram, H. Henry in one of my leagues that needed a rebuild). 

I think we are in agreement.  Just as you said that the return you got for OBJ was thought to be not enough......meaning most thought you overpaid to get those picks.  That is my point.  People only give up high picks when they think they are being overpaid which is why I rarely will go after a high pick and prefer to trade them away for known quantities.  You get overpaid and players you know will produce based on proven records. 

"blowing up" your team typically means trading away anything of value to maximize draft picks.  That often includes a franchise type player that for whatever reason (aging, don't like them, down year, etc) for the hopes of finding a shiny new franchise player.  I just don't think that is a good way to win consistently.  There always teams doing this in my leagues and they never seem to win the title. 

 

[Iceman03]

Lol... I have zero trust in this poll. 75% believe draft picks are overrated and 99% of those people won’t trade their picks.

 

[ghostguy123]

Year 1.  Blow it up for youth and picks.  The other 11 teams want to win, and getting future assets it the very cheapest when every team is a contender.  

Outside of that, I would blow it up when I feel like my team is a borderline playoff team but would lose a ton of value after the season due to aging.  Thay way it might be a 1-2 year rebuild rather than a 3-4 year rebuild.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Lol... I have zero trust in this poll. 75% believe draft picks are overrated and 99% of those people won’t trade their picks.

Sample size matters. I wouldn’t expect anyone to have confidence in a poll with 9 people voting. 

maybe give it a week or so to breathe & see what it looks like when the dust settles, hmm?  

 

[ghostguy123]

In general, I think some owners plan a rebuild too long. A rebuild should only last 2 years or so, in my opinion. One year pretty bad, second year a possible playoff contender, 3rd year you're fully rebuilt. Guys that completely gut their team are likely pushing a rebuild out to 5 years, which is ridiculous 

I never care about bothering for the playoffs in a rebuild.  I am either playing to "win" or playing for next year.  If I am in year 2 of a rebuild and am a marginal team, that is when I spend the season looking to trade for injured players or players who's QB got injured and is killing their production.

Not only do you gain a lot of value that following year when those players are healthy, you also get yourself a much better pick.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

yeah another good strategy if you can make it work

Yep. Could also backfire. RBs who get hurt sometimes get replaced or end up in a timeshare. Hurt players sometimes don’t recover quickly. 

 

[lod001]

Draft picks are a crap shoot. 

Yes they are but it is fun to see if you are better at scouting than NFL GMs. 14 team dynasty. Iv'e made some bad picks over the last 28 years but I've also made some incredible picks. Blew my team up only once. Only guy I kept that was rock solid was Andre Johnson. After Jerry Porter scored 9 TDs the 2nd time, i dumped him for a 1st rounder for a pick 2 years later. Already knew about Calvin Johnson so I was after him and got him. The guy with Porter finished dead last.

Some other picks back then were Delo in the 1st, Greg Jennings and Brandon Marshall in the 2nd round of 2006.  2 of my best ever 2nd round picks. For the next 6 years my top 4 WRs were Calvin, Andre, Marshall and Jennings. Those years I dug extra hard for info on players pre draft.

Blew it on Boston over Holt & Hines Ward, Reggie Williams over Steven Jackson, Julius Jones over Lee Evans, Porter over Shaun Alexander and Jamal Lewis   (but it ended up Calvin Johnson).  Kevin Smith over Chris Johnson and Jamaal Charles. Darick Rogers over Kelce. SUPER  (that was my 3rd 1st rd pick that year and I was reaching badly) OJ Howard over Alvin Kamara & Mahomes. Gio Bernard over Hopkins. Jones II over Chubb. Many of these had to do with what I needed.

Much better over the last few years. Average age of my team is 25 with Ingram and Tucker at 30. I figure I should have a 5 year run with these guys.

D.K. Metcalf     WR    1    2019
Ronald Jones II     RB    3    2018
Courtland Sutton WR    4    2018
Anthony Miller     WR    12    2018
Joe Mixon     RB    3    2017
O.J. Howard     TE    6    2017 -traded away for Keenan Allen.
Kenny Golladay     WR    12    2017

Yes completely blowing up a roster, while leaving no foundation to build on, just puts you in a constant battle for finding that new franchise player (and how long does that take?)

In general, I think some owners plan a rebuild too long. A rebuild should only last 2 years or so, in my opinion. One year pretty bad, second year a possible playoff contender, 3rd year you're fully rebuilt. Guys that completely gut their team are likely pushing a rebuild out to 5 years, which is ridiculous 

My rebuild was a 3 year plan. Ended up being 4 years. 3-10, 3-10, 9-7 (lost championship game), 13-2 & won championship. By far my most satisfying championship since the plan was 3 year rebuild. 

 

[ghostguy123]

Yep. Could also backfire. RBs who get hurt sometimes get replaced or end up in a timeshare. Hurt players sometimes don’t recover quickly. 

Any strategy can backfire.  Anyone can get hurt.  Anyone can simply get worse out of nowhere 

It's called playing the odds to determine what gives you the best chance for success for the following year.  In a 2 year rebuild, that means what give you the best chance for success 2 years from now.

As for RBs specifically, I certainly wouldnt target RBs in a rebuild.  

 

[lod001]

Glad to think I'm somewhat doing things right. First step was get a solid group of wrs, good young te, Second step, QB, Third step RBs. 

Correct order since you need your WRs & TEs to get some years in before you draft the RBs. What kills some teams is they draft the RBs 1st in a rebuild and by the time the rest of the team is ready, its almost over for the RB. Sometimes you have no choice , like when a S. Barkley comes out and your team blows. He's a  must take. Then it comes down to the waiver wire and getting lucky finding gems on the wire.

 

[ghostguy123]

Glad to think I'm somewhat doing things right. First step was get a solid group of wrs, good young te, Second step, QB, Third step RBs. 

I just look at value.  I try to give my team the most value it can possibly have, which in turn increases your chances of acquiring the guys you really want.  

If Bell is holding out for an entire year, and a team is only interested in trading Bell for another RB, then I will definitely explore that knowing Bell will be worth a lot more the following year than whoever I give up to get him.

Like I said I dont target RBs, I target value.  RBs just generally tend to be lower value for future purposes than other positions.

 

[ghostguy123]

Correct order since you need your WRs & TEs to get some years in before you draft the RBs. What kills some teams is they draft the RBs 1st in a rebuild and by the time the rest of the team is ready, its almost over for the RB. Sometimes you have no choice , like when a S. Barkley comes out and your team blows. He's a  must take. Then it comes down to the waiver wire and getting lucky finding gems on the wire.

If my team sucks and I draft Barkley, I am 99.999% likely to be trading him.  

 

[DropKick]

The 1.01 and 2.01 is worth more than Juju IMO, plus I assured myself a higher draft pick by getting him off my roster if he exploded like he is capable of.  Stafford and 1.03 is worth more than Mahomes in single QB especially when I also have Brees/Bridgewater, and Tannehill to start or trade in the future.  I strategically traded directly with the future owners of the 1.01 and 1.03 picks to sell them assets that were valuable, but wouldn't get them out of the cellar by very much, if at all.  The guy buying Mahomes had no business trading Stafford and 1.03 for him when his roster was trash.  

I would have taken the 1.01 & 2.01 for Juju as well but would have kept Mahomes.     Can't look at Brees as a long term asset; Teddy is a dice roll; Tannehill has to prove he can sustain that and is in a run first offense.  Mahomes should be an elite option for a long time.  Stafford can put up numbers, but will be 32 and coming off an injury.  I understand why the 1.03 makes the deal appealing and, in a vacuum, I might have taken the deal.  However, with a boat load of early picks, the 1.03 would only have marginal value to me.

 

[BINGBING]

I would have taken the 1.01 & 2.01 for Juju as well but would have kept Mahomes.     Can't look at Brees as a long term asset; Teddy is a dice roll; Tannehill has to prove he can sustain that and is in a run first offense.  Mahomes should be an elite option for a long time.  Stafford can put up numbers, but will be 32 and coming off an injury.  I understand why the 1.03 makes the deal appealing and, in a vacuum, I might have taken the deal.  However, with a boat load of early picks, the 1.03 would only have marginal value to me.

I get that.  I drafted Mahomes everywhere in dynasty before he was ever the starter.  I understand how valuable he is.  He will never leave my roster in my superflex leagues.  In start 1 QB leagues I will easily trade him.  I just don't put a huge value on QB's in that format.

 

[BINGBING]

Oh by the way, the guy that bought Mahomes from me later traded him straight up for David Montomery.

 

[Travieso]

I have in the last few years done 2 rebuilds after not doing any in my first several years of dynasty.   I agree with several earlier postings:

Ideally, the preference is to not do a full rebuild;  but sometimes it happens.  If you can't get value for aging assets and will make the playoffs; sometimes you have to ride the vets.

when you blow it up; blow it all up.  you need the earliest firsts possible for the true stud or to trade down for more players/equity

trade for draft picks and youth; but you don't have to use all draft picks; trading some of them for players works

There is an order of players to acquire in a rebuild and it starts with WR.

Draft picks are a crap shoot - I look at a draft in tiers and trade down as much as possible to gain more picks/players rather than getting one "stud" in a draft.  Been burned too many times in rookie drafts to rely on one pick (Saquon is an exception; not the rule).

I try to acquire as many picks as possible during the year and then move around in the draft to get as many picks as possible within the tiers I see as possible fantasy starters.  I try to trade any other picks - for players or picks next year if it is just a longshot draft pick...

   Example.  in last year's draft (year 2 of rebuild); I traded 1.2 and 2.1 for 1.3, 1.11, and two 2020 seconds (probably late).    I then traded 1.3 for 1.10, 2.3, and 3.6.    Some may say I lost the second trade but I saw a break at 2.3 in last years draft and wanted two shots vs. 1.  I also didn't want  a RB (didn't want points this year).  Instead of 1.2 and 2.1, I ended up with 1.10, 1.11, 1.13, and 2.3.  I pushed most other picks to 2020 (including one in the mid first).  Late in this year, I used some of those seconds and thirds to pick up Gallup and have 1.4 (bad lottery luck), 1.8, 2.2, and another second.

Another example in my first rebuild is that I traded an early first and early second for two mid firsts; drafted Sterling Shepard and then M. Thomas.  Again, I thought that is where the tier break was and wanted two shots vs one (and yes, I thought Shepard over Thomas).

I targeted a three year build and was able to accomplish the playoffs year 3 and year 4 of the first one and a good shot next year in 3rd year of my second re-build.

I would also ensure I am playing in multiple leagues while doing a re-build as they are boring in season for 2 years or so...

I voted that most people over value picks (me included); I find that people value late seconds and early thirds more than me so I usually trade those picks.

great topic and thanks to OP...

 

[IHEARTFF]

Selectively trade non essential players for picks in mid season when you’re a middling to bad team. Full blown up is rarely necessary but I agree with the guys targeting a 2-3 year turnaround starting with not rbs. 

 

[ghostguy123]

Selectively trade non essential players for picks in mid season when you’re a middling to bad team. Full blown up is rarely necessary but I agree with the guys targeting a 2-3 year turnaround starting with not rbs. 

Depending on the potential moves you can make, there is no point in wasting value, especially in year 1 of a rebuild.  

You want players with upside who are more likely to increase in value, and future draft picks.

That generally means full blown up roster.

This also depends on roster sizes and if there is a taxi squad

 

[JohnnyU]

Depending on the potential moves you can make, there is no point in wasting value, especially in year 1 of a rebuild.  

You want players with upside who are more likely to increase in value, and future draft picks.

That generally means full blown up roster.

This also depends on roster sizes and if there is a taxi squad

I tend to not believe in a full roster blow up unless I'm finishing outside of the playoffs and have a roster full of geezers.  Otherwise I prefer a more gradual building of a roster, where I have young players that are evolving, along with current studs, even if they are aging, and try to make the playoffs.  Then try and trade for upper echelon picks if possible, or 1st and 2nd rd picks in general. 

 

[ghostguy123]

I tend to not believe in a full roster blow up unless I'm finishing outside of the playoffs and have a roster full of geezers.  Otherwise I prefer a more gradual building of a roster, where I have young players that are evolving, along with current studs, even if they are aging, and try to make the playoffs.  Then try and trade for upper echelon picks if possible, or 1st and 2nd rd picks in general. 

I want to build a winner as fast as possible while reducing the risk of being a middling team for half a decade or more.

 

[JohnnyU]

I want to build a winner as fast as possible while reducing the risk of being a middling team for half a decade or more.

I get it, but if you fail on your complete blowup with missed picks, you will be a bottom dweller longer than half a decade or more.  I see these teams leave leagues all the time when they wake up to their reality. 

 

[ghostguy123]

I get it, but if you fail on your complete blowup with missed picks, you will be a bottom dweller longer than half a decade or more.  I see these teams leave leagues all the time when they wake up to their reality. 

If you fail on ANY strategy you will stink for a long time.

Some strategies have a higher percentage to work than others, IMO.

 

[JohnnyU]

If you fail on ANY strategy you will stink for a long time.

Some strategies have a higher percentage to work than others, IMO.

Failing on a gradual rebuild is less damaging than a full blown blowup failure. 

 

[ghostguy123]

Failing on a gradual rebuild is less damaging than a full blown blowup failure. 

Every situation and every trade is unique.  Hard to even continue where we are in this conversation without looking at a specific situation and the options available.

 

[ghostguy123]

Oh, one other thing I look to do is target the best team or best two teams for the rebuild trades.  They get aging depreciating assets, while I get their appreciating assets.  No faster way to close the gap.  

While this annoys the other 5-6 contending teams, it also lights a little fire that if they want to compete they should probably deal for one of my players before those top teams do.  I also might slip in that I am working on deals with those top teams....hintity hint hint.

 

[JohnnyU]

Every situation and every trade is unique.  Hard to even continue where we are in this conversation without looking at a specific situation and the options available.

I agree, every situation is different.  I'm speaking in terms of generalities.  My goal is always to make the playoffs if I can and trade for higher picks, or just picks in general whenever possible.  I for the most part want my team young, but I'm not in favor of a complete overhaul if possible.  Some are more of gamblers than me and that is fine, but keep in mind I'm always looking to get younger.  Aren't  we all

 

[ghostguy123]

Been a while since I did a rebuild.  Brings back wonderful memories