Dynasty Rankings (2 Viewers)

[Concept Coop]

SELL HIGH!

What do Matt Forte and Jahvid Best have in common? Monster games against the Eagles defense - a defense that has been traditionally stingy, at least in the eyes of the chum you need to feed them to.



Jahvid Best - I know that cutting him now is "selling low" (for the record, I was advocating this AFTER his big game) in comparison to what you could have gotten for him in September. But, in my mind, it is better to move him for what you paid, if not a bit more, while you can. The injury concerns are starting to mount, he is being outplayed by Mo Morris, and he has proven to me, at least, that he is not a 3-down-back in the NFL. I'll take it a step further: if he didn't score two "gimme" TDs in week one, his fantasy numbers would mirror his on field production: poor, with the exception of one game. Now, you will read a few responses to this suggesting that "it's too soon", "he is only a rookie" - trade him to owners like them. He still has a fancy name, went to a fancy school, plays in a fancy offense, next to a couple fancy weapons, and will be a fancy prize to the owner you dump him on. You could wait and hope he has another big game or two to start the season next year. But you risk DET investing in an "insurance policy" that could very well outplay Best, relegating him to the role he is best suited for.

Moves I would look to make:

Best for Spiller +: Spiller and Best are very close in talent. And contrary to popular belief, Best has not proven any more than Spiller.

Best for Moreno/Greene/Bradshaw.

Best for Wells: Both have injury concerns. Well's are more threatening, even. But if I am going to gamble on an injury risk, I want the guy capable of being top 10 when healthy.

Best for top 5 draft pick: There are 3 RBs in the coming draft that I feel will have better NFL careers than Best. There is also one elite WR and a good number that could be worth a top 5 rookie pick after the bowl games/measurements/testing etc.

Best For B. Marshall/S. Rice.

Matt Forte: He has just enough big games to keep him relevant in the fantasy world, and to hide the fact that he is not a very good running back. I have really wanted to like this guy as he does many things well, namely his ability to protect the QB and catch the ball out of the backfield. But he simply can't break tackles. Unlike Best, Forte is coming off a couple good outings, so the timing should not be questioned. Eventually, Chicago is going to find a better running back, and it might not even be on purpose. I think most teams in the NFL have a RB or two on their roster capable of besting Forte when it comes to moving the ball on the ground. How long will it take for Chicago to find one? As a Forte owner, I wouldn't want to be holding him when we find out.



Moves I would look to make:

Forte + WR1 for ADP, CJ, MJD, Foster or Charles: It is nearly impossible to get an elite RB without giving up an RB1 in return. Hopefully, owners in your league will look at Forte's numbers and think he is a long-term RB1.

 

[Crazy Tony]

I MISSED OUT ON SOME HUGE moves

SNAGGED A FEW OTHERS.

I'm Looking for Advice to:

FINISHING STRONG THIS SEASON.

GRAB VALUE FOR 2011.

I have 2 IR players.

See SIG for league points/ current roster.

My team is playoff bound. I have a decent shot but not favored. I'll be one of the lower 3 of 6 teams in.

My philosophy was to be stacked at QB, as elite QBs go at premium in our league.

Build top WR talent, enough to fill flex spots due to weak RBs.

Fill RB with sleepers as I go. Better chance to find sleeper RB than the other spots.

GOOD MOVES/ PUs.

Grabbed KOLB week 4 2009 season...should've sold prior to season.

Mark Clayton. but IR.

Got BLOUNT early

Took Steve Johnson

Dropped and picked back up D. Bess.

Picked up Lance Moore.

2009 moves:

traded bow and britt

dropped J. Freeman.

Team Management FAIL:

Drafted Hardesty as RB2. Had Harrison and pickedup J. Davis... did not grab Hillis....having 4 CLE RBs seemed excessive.

Decided against Grabbing VICK as handcuff to KOLB. Hit Cancel instead of CONFIRM add/drop to keep WR5 or WR6.

Roster E. Decker all year.

Traded Garrard for Laurent Robinson (Bradford compensated).

Coudn't move Alex Smith.

Posted Praised on league page about Mike Tolbert, RB San DIego aka human bowling ball after watching a couple of his runs one week prior to game Matthews got injured. Did not pick him up. (Prefer not to have 3 players on one team).

Did not grab LLOYD

 

[Instinctive]

Any particular reason for the above post? Can we get it deleted?

As a response to farther above, I have Santonio Holmes in the top 10. I think eh would be elite if he still had Big Ben, but with Sanchez developing and the Jets giving him more of the reigns...I think Santonio will consistently perform at a top 15 level, which makes him a top 10 guy for me.

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

Any particular reason for the above post? Can we get it deleted?

As a response to farther above, I have Santonio Holmes in the top 10. I think eh would be elite if he still had Big Ben, but with Sanchez developing and the Jets giving him more of the reigns...I think Santonio will consistently perform at a top 15 level, which makes him a top 10 guy for me.

Makes sense.

I think Holmes can be a top 12 guys next year but he will have to consistently perform at a top 12 level for that to happen.

 

[todisco1]

Any particular reason for the above post? Can we get it deleted?As a response to farther above, I have Santonio Holmes in the top 10. I think eh would be elite if he still had Big Ben, but with Sanchez developing and the Jets giving him more of the reigns...I think Santonio will consistently perform at a top 15 level, which makes him a top 10 guy for me.

I have Holmes around 12, really like him. Guy has great talent and Sanchez seems to trust him. Don't see any reason he can't be a good/great WR for the next several years. The Jets have said they're going to make it a priority to re-sign him. I don't view his situation as a negative at all. Sanchez is certainly good enough to deliver the ball, and plenty of run first teams have productive fantasy WRs.

 

[Instinctive]

Any particular reason for the above post? Can we get it deleted?

As a response to farther above, I have Santonio Holmes in the top 10. I think eh would be elite if he still had Big Ben, but with Sanchez developing and the Jets giving him more of the reigns...I think Santonio will consistently perform at a top 15 level, which makes him a top 10 guy for me.

Makes sense.

I think Holmes can be a top 12 guys next year but he will have to consistently perform at a top 12 level for that to happen.

Actually, I think it does make sense. The #1 WR doesn't finish in first place every year, he's number one because he always finishes as a WR1, and the risk of it not happening is low relative to others.So a guy I think always finishes in the top 15 is worth a slot n my top 10. For instance, Brandon Lloyd types who pop into the top 5 for one year push a guy like Holmes from, for example, 10th to 11th for a season - but I would still rather have Holmes in a dynasty.

For example, this is the second year I have had Roddy White as the #1 dynasty receiver. He's never finished #1 though. I simply viewed him as most likely to finish top 5-10 consistently, along with Fitzgerald and AJ, for the next 3 years or so.

If I was in a rookie draft with, say pick 9 of 12, and you told me a wideout available would finish an average of 13th every single season for 8 years ---> I would give top 10 receiver value for him. (And, just to make the example conservative, let's say his lowest finish would be 17th, and his highest would be 7th.)

 

[Dave Larkin]

SELL HIGH!

What do Matt Forte and Jahvid Best have in common? Monster games against the Eagles defense - a defense that has been traditionally stingy, at least in the eyes of the chum you need to feed them to.



Jahvid Best - I know that cutting him now is "selling low" (for the record, I was advocating this AFTER his big game) in comparison to what you could have gotten for him in September. But, in my mind, it is better to move him for what you paid, if not a bit more, while you can. The injury concerns are starting to mount, he is being outplayed by Mo Morris, and he has proven to me, at least, that he is not a 3-down-back in the NFL. I'll take it a step further: if he didn't score two "gimme" TDs in week one, his fantasy numbers would mirror his on field production: poor, with the exception of one game. Now, you will read a few responses to this suggesting that "it's too soon", "he is only a rookie" - trade him to owners like them. He still has a fancy name, went to a fancy school, plays in a fancy offense, next to a couple fancy weapons, and will be a fancy prize to the owner you dump him on. You could wait and hope he has another big game or two to start the season next year. But you risk DET investing in an "insurance policy" that could very well outplay Best, relegating him to the role he is best suited for.

Moves I would look to make:

Best for Spiller +: Spiller and Best are very close in talent. And contrary to popular belief, Best has not proven any more than Spiller.

Best for Moreno/Greene/Bradshaw.

Best for Wells: Both have injury concerns. Well's are more threatening, even. But if I am going to gamble on an injury risk, I want the guy capable of being top 10 when healthy.

Best for top 5 draft pick: There are 3 RBs in the coming draft that I feel will have better NFL careers than Best. There is also one elite WR and a good number that could be worth a top 5 rookie pick after the bowl games/measurements/testing etc.

Best For B. Marshall/S. Rice.

I can sort of see your logic here on Best, CC, but don't you think it's slightly too early to write him off as "not a three down back"? I think now is the wrong time to sell him. He's clearly hugely affected by his turf toe. I would be on the side of the owners who would wait to see how he pans out because I don't think another owner would be willing to give up a top 5 draft pick for him. If they were willing to, I might be tempted.Bottom line: Jahvid Best's owners spent a top 5 draft pick on him, and if you are trading him for the same thing in 2011 is it really worth it? Best is a more proven commodity at this point than a top 5 pick.

It's definitely an interesting debate i.e. when to sell players in dynasty leagues.

I would be eager to get other people's thoughts on this.

 

[Concept Coop]

SELL HIGH!

What do Matt Forte and Jahvid Best have in common? Monster games against the Eagles defense - a defense that has been traditionally stingy, at least in the eyes of the chum you need to feed them to.



Jahvid Best - I know that cutting him now is "selling low" (for the record, I was advocating this AFTER his big game) in comparison to what you could have gotten for him in September. But, in my mind, it is better to move him for what you paid, if not a bit more, while you can. The injury concerns are starting to mount, he is being outplayed by Mo Morris, and he has proven to me, at least, that he is not a 3-down-back in the NFL. I'll take it a step further: if he didn't score two "gimme" TDs in week one, his fantasy numbers would mirror his on field production: poor, with the exception of one game. Now, you will read a few responses to this suggesting that "it's too soon", "he is only a rookie" - trade him to owners like them. He still has a fancy name, went to a fancy school, plays in a fancy offense, next to a couple fancy weapons, and will be a fancy prize to the owner you dump him on. You could wait and hope he has another big game or two to start the season next year. But you risk DET investing in an "insurance policy" that could very well outplay Best, relegating him to the role he is best suited for.

Moves I would look to make:

Best for Spiller +: Spiller and Best are very close in talent. And contrary to popular belief, Best has not proven any more than Spiller.

Best for Moreno/Greene/Bradshaw.

Best for Wells: Both have injury concerns. Well's are more threatening, even. But if I am going to gamble on an injury risk, I want the guy capable of being top 10 when healthy.

Best for top 5 draft pick: There are 3 RBs in the coming draft that I feel will have better NFL careers than Best. There is also one elite WR and a good number that could be worth a top 5 rookie pick after the bowl games/measurements/testing etc.

Best For B. Marshall/S. Rice.

I can sort of see your logic here on Best, CC, but don't you think it's slightly too early to write him off as "not a three down back"? I think now is the wrong time to sell him. He's clearly hugely affected by his turf toe. I would be on the side of the owners who would wait to see how he pans out because I don't think another owner would be willing to give up a top 5 draft pick for him. If they were willing to, I might be tempted.Bottom line: Jahvid Best's owners spent a top 5 draft pick on him, and if you are trading him for the same thing in 2011 is it really worth it? Best is a more proven commodity at this point than a top 5 pick.

It's definitely an interesting debate i.e. when to sell players in dynasty leagues.

I would be eager to get other people's thoughts on this.

It is too early to conclusively say that Best is not a 3-down-back. I will agree with you there. But FF is about gambling, and you are gambling, even in "waiting to see." I didn't think Best was an every down back when he came out of Cal. If I did, I would be more willing to wait or give the benefit of the doubt.

As for the turf toe, I have never had it, or known anyone personally with it. But I have seen examples of athletes being effective even with it. But, if Best does have it in both feet, it would affect him more. Also, it did ruin Fred Taylor's season.

As for your question about trading Best, a top 5 pick in 2010, for a top 5 pick in 2011: DO IT! I think 2010 was a really weak draft for position talent. I can't think of a RB class less productive than this after one season.

And what has Best really proven? I think he has proven to be what most thought he was. He is explosive, fast, quick, but that doesn't always translate to top RB production in the NFL and FF. I don't know that he has proven anything, at least not enough to quiet the doubts that pushed him down draft boards.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

SELL HIGH!

What do Matt Forte and Jahvid Best have in common? Monster games against the Eagles defense - a defense that has been traditionally stingy, at least in the eyes of the chum you need to feed them to.



Jahvid Best - I know that cutting him now is "selling low" (for the record, I was advocating this AFTER his big game) in comparison to what you could have gotten for him in September. But, in my mind, it is better to move him for what you paid, if not a bit more, while you can. The injury concerns are starting to mount, he is being outplayed by Mo Morris, and he has proven to me, at least, that he is not a 3-down-back in the NFL. I'll take it a step further: if he didn't score two "gimme" TDs in week one, his fantasy numbers would mirror his on field production: poor, with the exception of one game. Now, you will read a few responses to this suggesting that "it's too soon", "he is only a rookie" - trade him to owners like them. He still has a fancy name, went to a fancy school, plays in a fancy offense, next to a couple fancy weapons, and will be a fancy prize to the owner you dump him on. You could wait and hope he has another big game or two to start the season next year. But you risk DET investing in an "insurance policy" that could very well outplay Best, relegating him to the role he is best suited for.

Moves I would look to make:

Best for Spiller +: Spiller and Best are very close in talent. And contrary to popular belief, Best has not proven any more than Spiller.

Best for Moreno/Greene/Bradshaw.

Best for Wells: Both have injury concerns. Well's are more threatening, even. But if I am going to gamble on an injury risk, I want the guy capable of being top 10 when healthy.

Best for top 5 draft pick: There are 3 RBs in the coming draft that I feel will have better NFL careers than Best. There is also one elite WR and a good number that could be worth a top 5 rookie pick after the bowl games/measurements/testing etc.

Best For B. Marshall/S. Rice.

I can sort of see your logic here on Best, CC, but don't you think it's slightly too early to write him off as "not a three down back"? I think now is the wrong time to sell him. He's clearly hugely affected by his turf toe. I would be on the side of the owners who would wait to see how he pans out because I don't think another owner would be willing to give up a top 5 draft pick for him. If they were willing to, I might be tempted.Bottom line: Jahvid Best's owners spent a top 5 draft pick on him, and if you are trading him for the same thing in 2011 is it really worth it? Best is a more proven commodity at this point than a top 5 pick.

It's definitely an interesting debate i.e. when to sell players in dynasty leagues.

I would be eager to get other people's thoughts on this.

I would be eager to get other people's thoughts on this. It is too early to conclusively say that Best is not a 3-down-back. I will agree with you there. But FF is about gambling, and you are gambling, even in "waiting to see."

I didn't think Best was an every down back when he came out of Cal. If I did, I would be more willing to wait or give the benefit of the doubt.

As for the turf toe, I have never had it, or known anyone personally with it. But I have seen examples of athletes being effective even with it. But, if Best does have it in both feet, it would affect him more. Also, it did ruin Fred Taylor's season.

As for your question about trading Best, a top 5 pick in 2010, for a top 5 pick in 2011: DO IT! I think 2010 was a really weak draft for position talent. I can't think of a RB class less productive than this after one season.

And what has Best really proven? I think he has proven to be what most thought he was. He is explosive, fast, quick, but that doesn't always translate to top RB production in the NFL and FF. I don't know that he has proven anything, at least not enough to quiet the doubts that pushed him down draft boards.

I think your best bet would be to move Best to one of the more loaded teams in your league. I doubt a team that is rebuilding or needs a solid starting RB will pay a lot for him. I would target a team that already has 3 or 4 good RBs but no great ones. Simply because I view Best as a bit of a luxury. Not a guy you can rely on every week, but when he plays and is healthy he could put up big numbers

 

[BlackMagic10]

Thanks for answering the Holmes' question for those who responded!

 

[Concept Coop]

I think your best bet would be to move Best to one of the more loaded teams in your league. I doubt a team that is rebuilding or needs a solid starting RB will pay a lot for him. I would target a team that already has 3 or 4 good RBs but no great ones. Simply because I view Best as a bit of a luxury. Not a guy you can rely on every week, but when he plays and is healthy he could put up big numbers

I agree 100% with your logice - he is a luxury in my eyes too. I just think that he is the perfect trade bait for the owners that "enjoy rebuilding" so constantly do it. I think we all have those guys in our leagues. Meaning, I think there are plenty of rebuilding owners that would take him, based on my leagues.

 

[Dave Larkin]

I think your best bet would be to move Best to one of the more loaded teams in your league. I doubt a team that is rebuilding or needs a solid starting RB will pay a lot for him. I would target a team that already has 3 or 4 good RBs but no great ones. Simply because I view Best as a bit of a luxury. Not a guy you can rely on every week, but when he plays and is healthy he could put up big numbers

I agree 100% with your logice - he is a luxury in my eyes too. I just think that he is the perfect trade bait for the owners that "enjoy rebuilding" so constantly do it. I think we all have those guys in our leagues. Meaning, I think there are plenty of rebuilding owners that would take him, based on my leagues.

Thanks for your thoughts on this, CC. I may look into that trade given the evidence that we have at this point.

 

[gheemony]

Kicker value, like almost everything else in dynasty, is dependent on league and roster sizes. The larger the # of teams or roster spots, the more value kickers will have.

The thing about this format is that it is contract years with penalties - so there's a very real cost to adding/dropping players.

In my contract league, I always do the same thing: Sign a kicker at the league min for a one year contract. The penalty to the cap then lasts only one year, and it's small. I can always drop or pickup a new guy if need be, and by the end of the year, it's like I had rostered an extra wideout all year, when you add up all the K salary penalties I have.

In a contract league too, and I use the same strategy. Always shocked to see (1) kickers signed for more the minimum, (2) kickers signed for more than 1 year, and (3) both 1 and 2!

 

[I was in the pool]

To go one step further on Jahvid Best...

What do you think his 2011 preseason rank will be at the running back position (PPR)?

I will start off the conversation with my prediction - RB15.

Anyone else?

 

[thriftyrocker]

I think your best bet would be to move Best to one of the more loaded teams in your league. I doubt a team that is rebuilding or needs a solid starting RB will pay a lot for him. I would target a team that already has 3 or 4 good RBs but no great ones. Simply because I view Best as a bit of a luxury. Not a guy you can rely on every week, but when he plays and is healthy he could put up big numbers

Sort of like Brian Westbrook. I don't see why any rebuilding team would want a top 15 RB who doesn't turn 22 until after the Super Bowl. I think Forte is one of those guys that is undervalued because of the perception he's only performing due to situation (like Grant and Addai - both of whom the replacements/fill-ins are worthless). To counter CC's claim that the 2nd RB on a lot of teams would beat him out, the 2nd RB on last year's Vikings has been largely unsuccessful. If you can turn him into Chris Johnson then heck yeah, but I don't think a lot of owners are selling Johnson (or Foster or MJD or Peterson) that easily, especially in a RB-heavy league as implied by your proposed trade.

 

[renesauz]

I'm thinking that Forte might be just a little bit under-rated in fantasy circles. He's not a great runner, but he's OK. At the same time, he's a very capable blocker and a solid receiving threat. Guys who are solid in all aspects of the game don't get replaced all that easily, even if his rushing is merely "average".

I could see Forte hanging around for several years as a fantasy RB2 that the "experts" are always predicting will get replaced. Never a stud, but a nice reliable RB2. If someone is willing to part with him for a late first or some hot "prospect", I'd suggest buying.

(Anyone notice what's been going on in Indy without Addai...another RB the "experts" have been predicting to lose his job to a more talented runner for years?)

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

I think your best bet would be to move Best to one of the more loaded teams in your league. I doubt a team that is rebuilding or needs a solid starting RB will pay a lot for him. I would target a team that already has 3 or 4 good RBs but no great ones. Simply because I view Best as a bit of a luxury. Not a guy you can rely on every week, but when he plays and is healthy he could put up big numbers

Sort of like Brian Westbrook. I don't see why any rebuilding team would want a top 15 RB who doesn't turn 22 until after the Super Bowl. I think Forte is one of those guys that is undervalued because of the perception he's only performing due to situation (like Grant and Addai - both of whom the replacements/fill-ins are worthless). To counter CC's claim that the 2nd RB on a lot of teams would beat him out, the 2nd RB on last year's Vikings has been largely unsuccessful. If you can turn him into Chris Johnson then heck yeah, but I don't think a lot of owners are selling Johnson (or Foster or MJD or Peterson) that easily, especially in a RB-heavy league as implied by your proposed trade.

I like Best quite a bit still, but like it or not him being injured all year has reinforced the injury prone label that many had on him when he was drafted (whether that is valid or not). I just think he is best paired with a roster that has some dependable other RBs on there to cover for the possibility that Best misses games.

 

[Concept Coop]

I think your best bet would be to move Best to one of the more loaded teams in your league. I doubt a team that is rebuilding or needs a solid starting RB will pay a lot for him. I would target a team that already has 3 or 4 good RBs but no great ones. Simply because I view Best as a bit of a luxury. Not a guy you can rely on every week, but when he plays and is healthy he could put up big numbers

Sort of like Brian Westbrook. I don't see why any rebuilding team would want a top 15 RB who doesn't turn 22 until after the Super Bowl. I think Forte is one of those guys that is undervalued because of the perception he's only performing due to situation (like Grant and Addai - both of whom the replacements/fill-ins are worthless). To counter CC's claim that the 2nd RB on a lot of teams would beat him out, the 2nd RB on last year's Vikings has been largely unsuccessful. If you can turn him into Chris Johnson then heck yeah, but I don't think a lot of owners are selling Johnson (or Foster or MJD or Peterson) that easily, especially in a RB-heavy league as implied by your proposed trade.

Re: Best: Best hasn't put up top 15 numbers in quite some time. Since week 3 (not including the Cowboys game) he was closer to RB40.Re: Forte: The 31 year old Chester Taylor has been a bit of a disappointment. But, I don't think holding him off should be a trophy on anyone's wall. Forte does a lot well. Unfortunately, he doesn't break tackles, and will only take what is there for him. That is one thing when you are fast, or push the pile - Forte is not, and depsite his weight, does not. Eventually, Chicago is going to want a good RB every game, not every third game.

 

[Concept Coop]

I'm thinking that Forte might be just a little bit under-rated in fantasy circles. He's not a great runner, but he's OK. At the same time, he's a very capable blocker and a solid receiving threat. Guys who are solid in all aspects of the game don't get replaced all that easily, even if his rushing is merely "average".I could see Forte hanging around for several years as a fantasy RB2 that the "experts" are always predicting will get replaced. Never a stud, but a nice reliable RB2. If someone is willing to part with him for a late first or some hot "prospect", I'd suggest buying.(Anyone notice what's been going on in Indy without Addai...another RB the "experts" have been predicting to lose his job to a more talented runner for years?)

I think Forte can be a solid RB2 for as long as he has the job. Earlier this year, the Bears were using Chester Taylor as the Redzone back. Think about how scary that is, or should be, for Forte owners. The Bears went with the older, smaller RB because Forte was so poor at getting the tough yards. He doesn't break tackles and he doesn't push the pile. It is great that he can catch and is a great blocker. For those reasons, he will always have a RBBC job in the NFL, for as long as his body permits. But when you are simply bad (not average) at running the ball, you can't have a safe job in the NFL.If Chester Taylor is a threat, at 31, who wouldn't be? You think Anthony Dixon would be on the bench in the redzone? LeGarret Blount? I don't think so.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

As for the turf toe, I have never had it, or known anyone personally with it. But I have seen examples of athletes being effective even with it.

Really? Do tell. Football players? Running backs?

 

[Concept Coop]

As for the turf toe, I have never had it, or known anyone personally with it. But I have seen examples of athletes being effective even with it.

Really? Do tell. Football players? Running backs?

As soon as you tell us why you kept Foster at RB19ish, when you knew he was elite back in September.More effective in the return from turf toe, better? The example I had in mind, was not a RB, to your point (TO). So I won't pretent to know what extent Best is suffering, which I never intended to do with my statement.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

As for the turf toe, I have never had it, or known anyone personally with it. But I have seen examples of athletes being effective even with it.

Really? Do tell. Football players? Running backs?

As soon as you tell us why you kept Foster at RB19ish, when you knew he was elite back in September.

You know, you're single-handedly making this a tough thread to come back to. You're still a pebble. A pebble in the shoe.

 

[renesauz]

I'm thinking that Forte might be just a little bit under-rated in fantasy circles. He's not a great runner, but he's OK. At the same time, he's a very capable blocker and a solid receiving threat. Guys who are solid in all aspects of the game don't get replaced all that easily, even if his rushing is merely "average".

I could see Forte hanging around for several years as a fantasy RB2 that the "experts" are always predicting will get replaced. Never a stud, but a nice reliable RB2. If someone is willing to part with him for a late first or some hot "prospect", I'd suggest buying.

(Anyone notice what's been going on in Indy without Addai...another RB the "experts" have been predicting to lose his job to a more talented runner for years?)

I think Forte can be a solid RB2 for as long as he has the job. Earlier this year, the Bears were using Chester Taylor as the Redzone back. Think about how scary that is, or should be, for Forte owners. The Bears went with the older, smaller RB because Forte was so poor at getting the tough yards. He doesn't break tackles and he doesn't push the pile. It is great that he can catch and is a great blocker. For those reasons, he will always have a RBBC job in the NFL, for as long as his body permits. But when you are simply bad (not average) at running the ball, you can't have a safe job in the NFL.

If Chester Taylor is a threat, at 31, who wouldn't be? You think Anthony Dixon would be on the bench in the redzone? LeGarret Blount? I don't think so.

I agree he's not good, but "bad" is pure hyperbole here. "Bad" wouldn't rate RB2 territory, regardless of his blocking. And while Taylor is a "journeyman", that "journeyman" could have started for most of the league for most of his career...he may be up there in years, but let's not pretend he's some scrub.F&L is right...a pebble.

 

[Concept Coop]

As for the turf toe, I have never had it, or known anyone personally with it. But I have seen examples of athletes being effective even with it.

Really? Do tell. Football players? Running backs?

As soon as you tell us why you kept Foster at RB19ish, when you knew he was elite back in September.

You know, you're single-handedly making this a tough thread to come back to. You're still a pebble. A pebble in the shoe.

You are the one pointing out what you percieve to be an inconsistancy for no other reason than to be an agitator. I haven't responded to a post of yours in some time, without you quoting me first. If it is so hard to read, use the ignore function, like an adult. If you want to be an agitator - which I don't mind because I am an adult and not bothered by what others say on message boards, especially when it has nothing to do with me - be ready to answer the Foster question, as I will continue to bring it up.

Have a nice night.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

As for the turf toe, I have never had it, or known anyone personally with it. But I have seen examples of athletes being effective even with it.

Really? Do tell. Football players? Running backs?

As soon as you tell us why you kept Foster at RB19ish, when you knew he was elite back in September.More effective in the return from turf toe, better? The example I had in mind, was not a RB, to your point (TO). So I won't pretent to know what extent Best is suffering, which I never intended to do with my statement.

I kept quiet when you were douching it up earlier in this thread because it seemed you meant well and were just coming across in a manner you clearly didn't intend. But seriously, enough with this crap. Please. I just lurk in this thread but it is one of the best in this place. And you're *really* becoming a tool. Which is a shame, because there are times you seem to be pretty solid.

It's obvious why he didn't have Foster ranked that high coming into the year. Did he underestimate him? Sure. Did he still have him ranked better than most? Yep. I don't care HOW highly you think of a guy...if he's not a high rookie draft pick, it's a bit foolish to rank a running back higher than proven commodities.

 

[Concept Coop]

I'm thinking that Forte might be just a little bit under-rated in fantasy circles. He's not a great runner, but he's OK. At the same time, he's a very capable blocker and a solid receiving threat. Guys who are solid in all aspects of the game don't get replaced all that easily, even if his rushing is merely "average".

I could see Forte hanging around for several years as a fantasy RB2 that the "experts" are always predicting will get replaced. Never a stud, but a nice reliable RB2. If someone is willing to part with him for a late first or some hot "prospect", I'd suggest buying.

(Anyone notice what's been going on in Indy without Addai...another RB the "experts" have been predicting to lose his job to a more talented runner for years?)

I think Forte can be a solid RB2 for as long as he has the job. Earlier this year, the Bears were using Chester Taylor as the Redzone back. Think about how scary that is, or should be, for Forte owners. The Bears went with the older, smaller RB because Forte was so poor at getting the tough yards. He doesn't break tackles and he doesn't push the pile. It is great that he can catch and is a great blocker. For those reasons, he will always have a RBBC job in the NFL, for as long as his body permits. But when you are simply bad (not average) at running the ball, you can't have a safe job in the NFL.

If Chester Taylor is a threat, at 31, who wouldn't be? You think Anthony Dixon would be on the bench in the redzone? LeGarret Blount? I don't think so.

I agree he's not good, but "bad" is pure hyperbole here. "Bad" wouldn't rate RB2 territory, regardless of his blocking. And while Taylor is a "journeyman", that "journeyman" could have started for most of the league for most of his career...he may be up there in years, but let's not pretend he's some scrub.F&L is right...a pebble.

By definition, the word "bad" isn't hyperbole. Awful or worst or horrible, not bad.I think a career average of under 4 YPC is bad. Granted, his line has been poor, so he could be better than I give him credit for. But, because his line is bad and he hasn't played behind another, all I have to go on is my eyes. If you disagree, I respect that. But bad is just the word I would use. He can't break tackles or push the piles. Even average RBs can do that sometime.

I am not calling him a bad RB, as he does a lot really well. Just bad at getting yards on the ground.

 

[Concept Coop]

As for the turf toe, I have never had it, or known anyone personally with it. But I have seen examples of athletes being effective even with it.

Really? Do tell. Football players? Running backs?

As soon as you tell us why you kept Foster at RB19ish, when you knew he was elite back in September.More effective in the return from turf toe, better? The example I had in mind, was not a RB, to your point (TO). So I won't pretent to know what extent Best is suffering, which I never intended to do with my statement.

I kept quiet when you were douching it up earlier in this thread because it seemed you meant well and were just coming across in a manner you clearly didn't intend. But seriously, enough with this crap. Please. I just lurk in this thread but it is one of the best in this place. And you're *really* becoming a tool. Which is a shame, because there are times you seem to be pretty solid.

It's obvious why he didn't have Foster ranked that high coming into the year. Did he underestimate him? Sure. Did he still have him ranked better than most? Yep. I don't care HOW highly you think of a guy...if he's not a high rookie draft pick, it's a bit foolish to rank a running back higher than proven commodities.

How am I the tool? I was not having a conversation with F&L at all, and he quoted me for no productive reason. Tell me how minding my business is being a tool?

 

[Dr. Awesome]

You are the one pointing out what you percieve to be an inconsistancy for no other reason than to be an agitator. I haven't responded to a post of yours in some time, without you quoting me first. If it is so hard to read, use the ignore function, like an adult.

If you want to be an agitator - which I don't mind because I am an adult and not bothered by what others say on message boards, especially when it has nothing to do with me - be ready to answer the Foster question, as I will continue to bring it up.

Have a nice night.

You shouldn't necessarily be bothered by what we say, but you should certainly pay it SOME attention. Numerous people have taken issue with your persona. You're not the only regular in here. You're not the only person who has disagreed with others. Yet you're the only one people have had a problem with.There's one common denominator. It's you. I'm pretty sure you mean well but you need to tweak the attitude.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

As for the turf toe, I have never had it, or known anyone personally with it. But I have seen examples of athletes being effective even with it.

Really? Do tell. Football players? Running backs?

As soon as you tell us why you kept Foster at RB19ish, when you knew he was elite back in September.More effective in the return from turf toe, better? The example I had in mind, was not a RB, to your point (TO). So I won't pretent to know what extent Best is suffering, which I never intended to do with my statement.

I kept quiet when you were douching it up earlier in this thread because it seemed you meant well and were just coming across in a manner you clearly didn't intend. But seriously, enough with this crap. Please. I just lurk in this thread but it is one of the best in this place. And you're *really* becoming a tool. Which is a shame, because there are times you seem to be pretty solid.

It's obvious why he didn't have Foster ranked that high coming into the year. Did he underestimate him? Sure. Did he still have him ranked better than most? Yep. I don't care HOW highly you think of a guy...if he's not a high rookie draft pick, it's a bit foolish to rank a running back higher than proven commodities.

How am I the tool? I was not having a conversation with F&L at all, and he quoted me for no productive reason. Tell me how minding my business is being a tool?

He wasn't picking a fight. You seem to be looking for something that doesn't exist. You said turf toe isn't really anything to worry about. F&L asked you to give some examples of other running backs that dealt with turf toe.

Then you went off the deep end.

He quoted you because he was asking a legitimate question to a statement you made. If you're going to flip out every time he quotes you (in HIS thread btw) for a perfectly reasonable line of questioning then you'd be better off finding a different thread.

 

[az_prof]

Can you ALL knock it off please. No need to comment on ad hominems. There is enough toolishness to go around in this thread. Let's get back to football now.

 

[Concept Coop]

You are the one pointing out what you percieve to be an inconsistancy for no other reason than to be an agitator. I haven't responded to a post of yours in some time, without you quoting me first. If it is so hard to read, use the ignore function, like an adult.

If you want to be an agitator - which I don't mind because I am an adult and not bothered by what others say on message boards, especially when it has nothing to do with me - be ready to answer the Foster question, as I will continue to bring it up.

Have a nice night.

You shouldn't necessarily be bothered by what we say, but you should certainly pay it SOME attention. Numerous people have taken issue with your persona. You're not the only regular in here. You're not the only person who has disagreed with others. Yet you're the only one people have had a problem with.There's one common denominator. It's you. I'm pretty sure you mean well but you need to tweak the attitude.

Look, I know you're not trying to preach, and repsect that. But let's keep it to this issue, today. Help me understand what you find toolish? Using this example.Again: How am I the tool when I had nothing negative to say to F&L - I wasn't even talking to or about him.

I know I shouldn't care, and I really don't - I don't know you from the mail man, F&L too. But if I found a poster so offensive, I would ignore him. Simple as that.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I'll take it to PM's as to not continue this hijack.

 

[Herm23]

As for the turf toe, I have never had it, or known anyone personally with it. But I have seen examples of athletes being effective even with it.

Really? Do tell. Football players? Running backs?

As soon as you tell us why you kept Foster at RB19ish, when you knew he was elite back in September.More effective in the return from turf toe, better? The example I had in mind, was not a RB, to your point (TO). So I won't pretent to know what extent Best is suffering, which I never intended to do with my statement.

Ranking Arian Foster at RB19 when the rest of the fantasy football world had him completely buried in their rankings and nowhere near as high as RB19 is effectively ranking him as a top 10 player. There was no realistic reason to rank him higher based on the fact that his value was lower than the RB20 range. I can understand attempting to pick out certain points to try and take a poster to task, but this one is just laughable. Next time I would avoid picking a topic that F&L was so right and so far ahead of the curve on.As for Best and the turf toe, all history actually suggests the complete opposite of what you are implying. And I truly mean the complete and exact opposite. I'm unaware of a single running back that developed turf toe that managed to overcome it and have success in the same season he developed turf toe. It robbed Darren McFadden of any productivity in 2008 and made him look like a flat out bad player, Wille Parker came down with it in 2009 and it effectively ended his season, and Ladanian Tomlinson was hampered by it all year last season. That last one is possibly the best example. Compare tape of last years version of Ladanian Tomlinson with this years version. The difference in night and day- 2010 Tomlinson is light years more explosive, quicker, stronger, and basically does everything better than 2009 Tomlinson.

In reality, turf toe is one of the single worst injuries that can hit a running back, as it limits his ability to perform EVERY important task a running back needs to do. It's far worse for a RB than any other position in football, as RB relies more on short burst movement and quick cutting that places a huge strain on the toes, specifically the joint of the toe, which is what is affected by turf toe. I personally believe that it would be unwise to sell Best and that you will end up greatly regretting it as soon as next season, however using his lack of production since developing turf toe as a reasoning behind why he is a sell is using faulty logic. If you want to argue that he is injury prone and you believe that will be something that hampers him for his career, that is worth discussing. I would simply strongly urge you against using any data that has been accumulated after he developed turf toe, as you are getting a very, very, very incomplete picture.

I believe F&L quoted your post because you were essentially giving false information. You were acting as if Jahvid Best has looked terrible this year (which I admit he has at times) and that he simply should have looked better because turf toe was no big deal and something that was easy for a running back to overcome. That is some dangerously misleading and incredibly incorrect information, without specific proof, which makes it worth quoting and questioning (as F&L did).

 

[Fear & Loathing]

How am I the tool? I was not having a conversation with F&L at all, and he quoted me for no productive reason. Tell me how minding my business is being a tool?

I quoted you because you suggested that you had interesting information on players performing well with turf toe. That's knowledge we could all use if it was out there. Re: Foster. Give it up. My Twitter account from June-August -- and this thread -- are saturated with predictions that Foster would take that job, excel with it, and keep it for good. Your Foster fetish would be better used on someone who didn't believe in him this summer -- like yourself.

 

[Concept Coop]

Can you ALL knock it off please. No need to comment on ad hominems. There is enough toolishness to go around in this thread. Let's get back to football now.

 

[Concept Coop]

How am I the tool? I was not having a conversation with F&L at all, and he quoted me for no productive reason. Tell me how minding my business is being a tool?

I quoted you because you suggested that you had interesting information on players performing well with turf toe. That's knowledge we could all use if it was out there. Re: Foster. Give it up. My Twitter account from June-August -- and this thread -- are saturated with predictions that Foster would take that job, excel with it, and keep it for good. Your Foster fetish would be better used on someone who didn't believe in him this summer -- like yourself.

I will apologize for my initial quote of you re:McFadden/EFB some time ago. As I said then, and truly mean(t), I got carried away. I enjoy that kind of banter, and talk to my friends that way (and they, me), especially about football. But it was out of line in this setting (no beer, no prior relationship, etc). I would not blame you if you wanted to ignore me for that. But if you are going to do that, do it. Don't tell me that I am ruining a thread, am a pebble, a tool, or anything else, when I have not quoted you once since then. I don't even care about the Foster thing. You are right, as you were then, Foster was legit, I didn't think so at the time. I was simply pointing out an inconsistancy, as I felt you were doing by quoting me in the manner in which you did. So, please, if I am that offensive, just ignore me - I won't be offended. I enjoy your insight, which is why I won't be ignoring you. But I don't want to cloud the best thread on the board with this silly banter.

 

[Concept Coop]

I believe F&L quoted your post because you were essentially giving false information. You were acting as if Jahvid Best has looked terrible this year (which I admit he has at times) and that he simply should have looked better because turf toe was no big deal and something that was easy for a running back to overcome. That is some dangerously misleading and incredibly incorrect information, without specific proof, which makes it worth quoting and question (as F&L did).

I never meant to suggest that it is easy to overcome, not at all. Just that I don't think it is the reason why Best has played so poorly this season. If I am wrong, I am wrong. I never once presented it as fact, and openly stated that I was not familiar with it. And if it was so dangerous, a post like yours would have fixed that really quick.

 

[valhallan]

I hate how it seems every time I notice this thread has gotten active again, it's just another useless pissing contest.

 

[plyka]

SELL HIGH!

What do Matt Forte and Jahvid Best have in common? Monster games against the Eagles defense - a defense that has been traditionally stingy, at least in the eyes of the chum you need to feed them to.



Jahvid Best - I know that cutting him now is "selling low" (for the record, I was advocating this AFTER his big game) in comparison to what you could have gotten for him in September. But, in my mind, it is better to move him for what you paid, if not a bit more, while you can. The injury concerns are starting to mount, he is being outplayed by Mo Morris, and he has proven to me, at least, that he is not a 3-down-back in the NFL. I'll take it a step further: if he didn't score two "gimme" TDs in week one, his fantasy numbers would mirror his on field production: poor, with the exception of one game. Now, you will read a few responses to this suggesting that "it's too soon", "he is only a rookie" - trade him to owners like them. He still has a fancy name, went to a fancy school, plays in a fancy offense, next to a couple fancy weapons, and will be a fancy prize to the owner you dump him on. You could wait and hope he has another big game or two to start the season next year. But you risk DET investing in an "insurance policy" that could very well outplay Best, relegating him to the role he is best suited for.

Moves I would look to make:

Best for Spiller +: Spiller and Best are very close in talent. And contrary to popular belief, Best has not proven any more than Spiller.

Best for Moreno/Greene/Bradshaw.

Best for Wells: Both have injury concerns. Well's are more threatening, even. But if I am going to gamble on an injury risk, I want the guy capable of being top 10 when healthy.

Best for top 5 draft pick: There are 3 RBs in the coming draft that I feel will have better NFL careers than Best. There is also one elite WR and a good number that could be worth a top 5 rookie pick after the bowl games/measurements/testing etc.

Best For B. Marshall/S. Rice.

Matt Forte: He has just enough big games to keep him relevant in the fantasy world, and to hide the fact that he is not a very good running back. I have really wanted to like this guy as he does many things well, namely his ability to protect the QB and catch the ball out of the backfield. But he simply can't break tackles. Unlike Best, Forte is coming off a couple good outings, so the timing should not be questioned. Eventually, Chicago is going to find a better running back, and it might not even be on purpose. I think most teams in the NFL have a RB or two on their roster capable of besting Forte when it comes to moving the ball on the ground. How long will it take for Chicago to find one? As a Forte owner, I wouldn't want to be holding him when we find out.



Moves I would look to make:

Forte + WR1 for ADP, CJ, MJD, Foster or Charles: It is nearly impossible to get an elite RB without giving up an RB1 in return. Hopefully, owners in your league will look at Forte's numbers and think he is a long-term RB1.

The problem is that it is simply natural to be myopic in the fantasy football world. At the beginning of the season, the fickle were saying that Best is a top 5 back, now people are saying you should cut him or get rid of him in dynasty leagues. Both were/are wrong. Jahvid Best has immense talent and is in a very good situation. He doesn't have any more injury concerns than your typical back, and if you disagree i'd like to see the facts back them up. Turf toe is not indicative of injury concerns. Basically, selling Best now would be a mistake in dynasty leagues. His value is as lowest as it can get, and you won't get a proper return.Regarding Forte, i kind of agree. It really depends. His situation is not the best since his O-line is atrocious. But will it get better? If you play in a PPR league, then Forte is a definite asset. If you're in a standard league, i would get rid of Forte.

 

[geoff8695]

Re: Forte: The 31 year old Chester Taylor has been a bit of a disappointment. But, I don't think holding him off should be a trophy on anyone's wall. Forte does a lot well. Unfortunately, he doesn't break tackles, and will only take what is there for him. That is one thing when you are fast, or push the pile - Forte is not, and depsite his weight, does not. Eventually, Chicago is going to want a good RB every game, not every third game.

I don't want to get into a pissing match with you over Forte, but he has shown enough speed and elusiveness to break off long runs and receptions (including a nifty 61 yarder yesterday against the eagles). He may not be CJ4.24, ADP, :insert elite RB here: fast; but it's misleading to say that he isn't very good or doesn't break tackles. That's not his game. He's not a bruising power runner that relies on breaking tackles to get to the next level. And he has plenty of quickness/body control to make defenders miss when he's not being met at the handoff from QB. Unfortunately, the Bears oline has allowed DLinemen and LBs to do just that all too often over the past 2.5 seasons...Even so, Forte is currently tied for 11th in the NFL this season in runs over 20 yards (5 on the season including two over 60 yards), and he's got an 89 yard TD reception as well. He's not the "3 yards and a cloud of dust" plodder that some have tried to make him out to be. He's a RB that makes his living off of making guys miss, and his receiving ability is a tremendous asset that allows him to gets the ball in space where he can gash opposing defenses.I know you alluded to inconsistency as a problem with Forte and "the excuses" have already been set out before, so I don't mean to dwell on them. However, he was injured last season, and has been playing in poor offensive schemes and with a poor o-line since coming into the league. And although he is healthier this year, during the 1st half of the season he was under utilized by Martz's pass happy offensive system that demanded 7 step drops and an inordinate pass/run ratio (during the games in which Cutler was non-concussed). Since the bye week the Bears have adjusted and changed the offensive scheme to fit their personnel (including running the ball over 50% of the time and giving Cutler 3-5 step drops and a moving pocket to play to his athleticism), and under the new offensive scheme, Martz is proving to be a terrific play caller (despite many of the plays paying homage to the "greatest show on turf" being torn from his playbook by Lovie Smith and Mike Tice).Combine all of that with the Bears' defenseive return to elite status and I wouldn't be sleeping on Forte for the remainder of this season. He will be a RB2 that performs at RB1 levels with a guarantee of ~ 20 touches per game moving forward and will help fuel many a fantasy team's playoff run in 2010. Maybe that will open the door to your dreams of being able to pair Forte with a WR1 to obtain an elite RB during the offseason...

 

[Dave Larkin]

SELL HIGH!

What do Matt Forte and Jahvid Best have in common? Monster games against the Eagles defense - a defense that has been traditionally stingy, at least in the eyes of the chum you need to feed them to.



Jahvid Best - I know that cutting him now is "selling low" (for the record, I was advocating this AFTER his big game) in comparison to what you could have gotten for him in September. But, in my mind, it is better to move him for what you paid, if not a bit more, while you can. The injury concerns are starting to mount, he is being outplayed by Mo Morris, and he has proven to me, at least, that he is not a 3-down-back in the NFL. I'll take it a step further: if he didn't score two "gimme" TDs in week one, his fantasy numbers would mirror his on field production: poor, with the exception of one game. Now, you will read a few responses to this suggesting that "it's too soon", "he is only a rookie" - trade him to owners like them. He still has a fancy name, went to a fancy school, plays in a fancy offense, next to a couple fancy weapons, and will be a fancy prize to the owner you dump him on. You could wait and hope he has another big game or two to start the season next year. But you risk DET investing in an "insurance policy" that could very well outplay Best, relegating him to the role he is best suited for.

Moves I would look to make:

Best for Spiller +: Spiller and Best are very close in talent. And contrary to popular belief, Best has not proven any more than Spiller.

Best for Moreno/Greene/Bradshaw.

Best for Wells: Both have injury concerns. Well's are more threatening, even. But if I am going to gamble on an injury risk, I want the guy capable of being top 10 when healthy.

Best for top 5 draft pick: There are 3 RBs in the coming draft that I feel will have better NFL careers than Best. There is also one elite WR and a good number that could be worth a top 5 rookie pick after the bowl games/measurements/testing etc.

Best For B. Marshall/S. Rice.

Matt Forte: He has just enough big games to keep him relevant in the fantasy world, and to hide the fact that he is not a very good running back. I have really wanted to like this guy as he does many things well, namely his ability to protect the QB and catch the ball out of the backfield. But he simply can't break tackles. Unlike Best, Forte is coming off a couple good outings, so the timing should not be questioned. Eventually, Chicago is going to find a better running back, and it might not even be on purpose. I think most teams in the NFL have a RB or two on their roster capable of besting Forte when it comes to moving the ball on the ground. How long will it take for Chicago to find one? As a Forte owner, I wouldn't want to be holding him when we find out.



Moves I would look to make:

Forte + WR1 for ADP, CJ, MJD, Foster or Charles: It is nearly impossible to get an elite RB without giving up an RB1 in return. Hopefully, owners in your league will look at Forte's numbers and think he is a long-term RB1.

The problem is that it is simply natural to be myopic in the fantasy football world. At the beginning of the season, the fickle were saying that Best is a top 5 back, now people are saying you should cut him or get rid of him in dynasty leagues. Both were/are wrong. Jahvid Best has immense talent and is in a very good situation. He doesn't have any more injury concerns than your typical back, and if you disagree i'd like to see the facts back them up. Turf toe is not indicative of injury concerns. Basically, selling Best now would be a mistake in dynasty leagues. His value is as lowest as it can get, and you won't get a proper return.Regarding Forte, i kind of agree. It really depends. His situation is not the best since his O-line is atrocious. But will it get better? If you play in a PPR league, then Forte is a definite asset. If you're in a standard league, i would get rid of Forte.

This is kind of my view on Best right now. I'm just a little hesitant t sell him while his perceived value is as low as it is.

 

[ebaughn]

Smith is on waivers in one of my dynasty leagues. He might be a good add if Best does not materialize.

 

[Go deep]

While adjusting my RB rankings this week, i was trying to figure out where to rank Hillis. It also got me wondering why everyone has Foster as a top 5 RB, yet i havnt seen anyone mention Hillis as a top 5-10 dynasty RB?

Hillis is doing as much with far less, and has actually outproduced Foster over the last 8 weeks.

So, i guess my question is, what is it about Foster that people like more than Hillis?

 

[Alex P Keaton]

While adjusting my RB rankings this week, i was trying to figure out where to rank Hillis. It also got me wondering why everyone has Foster as a top 5 RB, yet i havnt seen anyone mention Hillis as a top 5-10 dynasty RB? Hillis is doing as much with far less, and has actually outproduced Foster over the last 8 weeks. So, i guess my question is, what is it about Foster that people like more than Hillis?

Hillis is white. Nobody else will admit it, but subconsciously that's why they don't like him.

 

[Instinctive]

While adjusting my RB rankings this week, i was trying to figure out where to rank Hillis. It also got me wondering why everyone has Foster as a top 5 RB, yet i havnt seen anyone mention Hillis as a top 5-10 dynasty RB? Hillis is doing as much with far less, and has actually outproduced Foster over the last 8 weeks. So, i guess my question is, what is it about Foster that people like more than Hillis?

I would not go so far as to say he is doing more with less, as Hillis has one of the best run blocking lines in the NFL.They both have very good situations, and I've liked Hillis since the time he was a great WW Fill-in back in Denver, but his situation now s not bad. CLE is a great place for a RB, and I think he's probably behind these guys in dynasty:CJADMJDJamaal CharlesSJax (I think he's about to have an amazing, title worthy year in 2011 -if there's football)Stewart (looks like he may be about to get his shot for good)Mendenhall - just gets a ton of carriesThen I put Rice, Hillis, and Foster. If I wasn't in a championship window, I would put SJax behind all of these guys as well. Bradshaw is also right in this tier, though maybe at the bottom of it.

 

[dickey moe]

While adjusting my RB rankings this week, i was trying to figure out where to rank Hillis. It also got me wondering why everyone has Foster as a top 5 RB, yet i havnt seen anyone mention Hillis as a top 5-10 dynasty RB? Hillis is doing as much with far less, and has actually outproduced Foster over the last 8 weeks. So, i guess my question is, what is it about Foster that people like more than Hillis?

Hillis is white. Nobody else will admit it, but subconsciously that's why they don't like him.

Sad, but this is probably true. Why else has no one offered me any trades for Hillis this season, yet I've seen plenty of offers for RBs with inferior numbers?

 

[Go deep]

While adjusting my RB rankings this week, i was trying to figure out where to rank Hillis. It also got me wondering why everyone has Foster as a top 5 RB, yet i havnt seen anyone mention Hillis as a top 5-10 dynasty RB? Hillis is doing as much with far less, and has actually outproduced Foster over the last 8 weeks. So, i guess my question is, what is it about Foster that people like more than Hillis?

I would not go so far as to say he is doing more with less, as Hillis has one of the best run blocking lines in the NFL.They both have very good situations, and I've liked Hillis since the time he was a great WW Fill-in back in Denver, but his situation now s not bad. CLE is a great place for a RB, and I think he's probably behind these guys in dynasty:CJADMJDJamaal CharlesSJax (I think he's about to have an amazing, title worthy year in 2011 -if there's football)Stewart (looks like he may be about to get his shot for good)Mendenhall - just gets a ton of carriesThen I put Rice, Hillis, and Foster. If I wasn't in a championship window, I would put SJax behind all of these guys as well. Bradshaw is also right in this tier, though maybe at the bottom of it.

Hillis does have a good young oline, but so do the Texans. The Texans probably have the best Oline in the league. Other than Oline though, the Browns offense is horrible. The Browns have been rotating QB's, and neither of the 3 is very good(although i do think Mccoy might be in the future.) Andre Johnson is better than all of the Browns WR's put together and multiplied by 3. Not to mention Kubiaks system is the most RB friendly in the entire league.

 

[lynx4ben]

While adjusting my RB rankings this week, i was trying to figure out where to rank Hillis. It also got me wondering why everyone has Foster as a top 5 RB, yet i havnt seen anyone mention Hillis as a top 5-10 dynasty RB? Hillis is doing as much with far less, and has actually outproduced Foster over the last 8 weeks. So, i guess my question is, what is it about Foster that people like more than Hillis?

Hillis is white. Nobody else will admit it, but subconsciously that's why they don't like him.

Sad, but this is probably true. Why else has no one offered me any trades for Hillis this season, yet I've seen plenty of offers for RBs with inferior numbers?

I don't think it's because he's white. It's because he looks like alstott/bettis. It doesn't help that his body composition looks like a fullback and he's also white. But I really think it's him looking like a FB that hurts him coupled with the fact that there isn't a RB in the leauge that will take more abuse.Can't deny his production but can his body hold up to what he is going to put it through in the next three years.

 

[humpback]

While adjusting my RB rankings this week, i was trying to figure out where to rank Hillis. It also got me wondering why everyone has Foster as a top 5 RB, yet i havnt seen anyone mention Hillis as a top 5-10 dynasty RB? Hillis is doing as much with far less, and has actually outproduced Foster over the last 8 weeks. So, i guess my question is, what is it about Foster that people like more than Hillis?

I don't have any issue with having Hillis as a top 15 or even top 10 RB. To answer you question, I think a big part of the reason a lot of people don't is because Hillis isn't your proto-typical RB- he's 250 lbs. Not many guys that size have had much staying power.IMO, you still have Foster too low, and your love fest for Lynch is still going strong!

 

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Despite the fact that they're very different players, I consider Hillis and Foster pretty equal in terms of talent. The difference is the outlook of the Browns offense the next 3-5 years compared to the Texans.

Someone more educated than myself could probably break down how successful RB's are at duplicating monster seasons on bad offenses. My instinct says it doesn't happen very often.