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[Dr. Octopus]

This trade just happened in my dynasty league:Team 1 traded Chris Johnson, Henne, and Boldin to Team 2 for Grant, Moreno, Sims-Walker, and Winslow (No TE required)Thoughts?

Team 1 is going to regret that one is my thought.

 

[finito]

This trade just happened in my dynasty league:Team 1 traded Chris Johnson, Henne, and Boldin to Team 2 for Grant, Moreno, Sims-Walker, and Winslow (No TE required)Thoughts?

Team 1 is going to regret that one is my thought.

If you took out Boldin I could *kinda* see it if Team 1 was desperate for a 2nd RB and a decent WR. With Boldin it's a big puzzler.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Is Team 1's owner married or otherwise related to Team 2's owner? Are they having a secret affair behind everyone's back? Was Team 1's owner on an organ transplant list, and if so did he miraculously get news that there was a donor yesterday? I'm really trying to understand what Team 1 is getting out of this, and the only things I can think of are sex or an organ.

I'm really bad at golf. I've only played the sport about 6 or 8 times in my life because I can't stand embarrassing myself in any sport.Some people are just really bad at fantasy football. They need to walk away and try something else, like golf.

 

[Couch Potato]

Just Win Baby and I are the co-owners who got CJ in that deal.

Wow, you guys are a little harsh on our league mate!

The other owner posted on our league message board that he was looking for interest in CJ. This is a Misfits & Outlaws league where a lineup can include up to 4 RBs (it's 2 RB, 2 WR/TE, and 2 flex). He may also have been concerned that CJ will regress too much after having so many touches. Just guessing here. Anyway, we made inquiries. After some back and forth, this is the deal we came up with. He wanted the additional RB, and since Moreno is young with upside and Grant was a satisfactory 2nd RB (he also posted the FBG thread asking people's opinions on Grant, so he was well informed there for the purpose of making this decision), we did the deal.

The other owner seems happy, Just Win Baby and I are very happy to put CJ with DeAngelo Williams, Jacobs, Boldin, Austin, and Harvin in our starting lineup, and we'll see how it ends up long term.

 

[az_prof]

Is Team 1's owner married or otherwise related to Team 2's owner? Are they having a secret affair behind everyone's back? Was Team 1's owner on an organ transplant list, and if so did he miraculously get news that there was a donor yesterday? I'm really trying to understand what Team 1 is getting out of this, and the only things I can think of are sex or an organ.

I'm really bad at golf. I've only played the sport about 6 or 8 times in my life because I can't stand embarrassing myself in any sport.Some people are just really bad at fantasy football. They need to walk away and try something else, like golf.

Especially in dynasty leagues because they are not only embarrassing themselves but they could damage the competitive balance of a league for a long time with several bone head trades.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I saw some of the debate about Calvin. I see people want to downgrade him based on just his statistics, which I personally think is crazy. He missed 2 full games, most of 2 other games, and his starting QB missed a few games too. Watching Culpepper play was painful. Not only that, Stafford was a rookie and with his injuries and Calvins, they rarely practiced together for a good 2 months. Don't underestimate the missed practice time and don't forget that Calvin has had 3 different offensive coordinators in his 3 years. Calvin also had no WR help and very little help in the running game. With all that, 67/984/5 is not as bad as it looks, especially with him missing the 2 full games and most of 2 others. And that is with one of the worst situations in the league. I don't think there is any question that Stafford will improve and this will be the first time that Calvin will have 2 years in a row with the same offensive coordinator. Don't overlook that. Last year, Calvin was 3rd in fantasy scoring with 78/1331/12. I believe numbers like that will be his floor going forward unless he is hurt. I'll take that all day long and take it for a good 7-8 years, if not longer.

 

[BespokeJort]

I've been trying to gauge Early Doucet's value and have been having a hard time. With Boldin probably leaving (and maybe breaston too I think I read on here somewhere) it should increase, but reports of warner retiring worry me...any thoughts?

Doucet Primed as Boldin's Replacement?From Scout.com / The Sports XChange:

It's hard to make a name for yourself when you are sitting behind Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin, just ask Early Doucet. But the former third-round pick is starting to earn his stripes and live up to his hype.

Wide receiver Early Doucet is starting to show why the Cardinals were excited to draft him in the third round in 2008.

In the last three games, Doucet has 12 receptions for 148 yards and three touchdowns.

Those statistics are even more impressive when you consider that Doucet was inactive for the first seven games of the year.

Doucet has been hindered by injuries in training camp in both of his NFL seasons. In 2008, it was a hamstring injury. In 2009, it was a shoulder injury and fractured ribs.

That delayed his progress, and Jerheme Urban held on to the No. 3 slot.

But at mid-season this year, coaches moved Doucet ahead of Urban, perhaps in an effort to find out just what they had in Doucet.

Anquan Boldin could very well be traded in the off-season, and the Cardinals needed to find out if Doucet had the ability to move into the rotation as one of the top three receivers.

Doucet has produced when healthy. At 6-feet, 212 pounds, Doucet runs well after the catch and is a physical blocker.

Those attributes come into play in the Cardinals’ system, which requires receivers to block. The club also likes to throw screens to Doucet, who is strong enough to run through tackles.

Doucet had his best game as a pro in the 51-45 overtime playoff victory against the Packers on Sunday. Doucet moved into the No. 3 role, replacing Steve Breaston, who started in place of the injured Anquan Boldin.

“Early stepped in for ‘Q’ and to play the way he played, the guy has a lot of ability,” said wide receiver Larry Fitzgerald. “I think we have just seen the tip of the iceberg for Early. Great things are coming from him.”

Thanks for the link Obviously if both Breaston and Boldin leave in free agency it says a lot about what the team thinks of Doucet and he's a keeper...but if we were assuming Breaston stays and Boldin goes, what would you say are the chances Doucet takes over the Boldin role and Breaston stays as the dynamic WR3?

 

[footballsavvy]

I've been trying to gauge Early Doucet's value and have been having a hard time. With Boldin probably leaving (and maybe breaston too I think I read on here somewhere) it should increase, but reports of warner retiring worry me...any thoughts?

Doucet Primed as Boldin's Replacement?From Scout.com / The Sports XChange:

It's hard to make a name for yourself when you are sitting behind Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin, just ask Early Doucet. But the former third-round pick is starting to earn his stripes and live up to his hype.

Wide receiver Early Doucet is starting to show why the Cardinals were excited to draft him in the third round in 2008.

In the last three games, Doucet has 12 receptions for 148 yards and three touchdowns.

Those statistics are even more impressive when you consider that Doucet was inactive for the first seven games of the year.

Doucet has been hindered by injuries in training camp in both of his NFL seasons. In 2008, it was a hamstring injury. In 2009, it was a shoulder injury and fractured ribs.

That delayed his progress, and Jerheme Urban held on to the No. 3 slot.

But at mid-season this year, coaches moved Doucet ahead of Urban, perhaps in an effort to find out just what they had in Doucet.

Anquan Boldin could very well be traded in the off-season, and the Cardinals needed to find out if Doucet had the ability to move into the rotation as one of the top three receivers.

Doucet has produced when healthy. At 6-feet, 212 pounds, Doucet runs well after the catch and is a physical blocker.

Those attributes come into play in the Cardinals’ system, which requires receivers to block. The club also likes to throw screens to Doucet, who is strong enough to run through tackles.

Doucet had his best game as a pro in the 51-45 overtime playoff victory against the Packers on Sunday. Doucet moved into the No. 3 role, replacing Steve Breaston, who started in place of the injured Anquan Boldin.

“Early stepped in for ‘Q’ and to play the way he played, the guy has a lot of ability,” said wide receiver Larry Fitzgerald. “I think we have just seen the tip of the iceberg for Early. Great things are coming from him.”

Thanks for the link Obviously if both Breaston and Boldin leave in free agency it says a lot about what the team thinks of Doucet and he's a keeper...but if we were assuming Breaston stays and Boldin goes, what would you say are the chances Doucet takes over the Boldin role and Breaston stays as the dynamic WR3?

Does it matter? Boldin and Breaston both seemed to be on the field all the time with Fitz. Unless Warner leaves, I think Doucet has an excellent shot at WR3 production next year. When Warner goes through progressions, he will hit who is open......not who is the #2 or #3.

 

[BespokeJort]

I've been trying to gauge Early Doucet's value and have been having a hard time. With Boldin probably leaving (and maybe breaston too I think I read on here somewhere) it should increase, but reports of warner retiring worry me...any thoughts?

Doucet Primed as Boldin's Replacement?From Scout.com / The Sports XChange:

It's hard to make a name for yourself when you are sitting behind Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin, just ask Early Doucet. But the former third-round pick is starting to earn his stripes and live up to his hype.

Wide receiver Early Doucet is starting to show why the Cardinals were excited to draft him in the third round in 2008.

In the last three games, Doucet has 12 receptions for 148 yards and three touchdowns.

Those statistics are even more impressive when you consider that Doucet was inactive for the first seven games of the year.

Doucet has been hindered by injuries in training camp in both of his NFL seasons. In 2008, it was a hamstring injury. In 2009, it was a shoulder injury and fractured ribs.

That delayed his progress, and Jerheme Urban held on to the No. 3 slot.

But at mid-season this year, coaches moved Doucet ahead of Urban, perhaps in an effort to find out just what they had in Doucet.

Anquan Boldin could very well be traded in the off-season, and the Cardinals needed to find out if Doucet had the ability to move into the rotation as one of the top three receivers.

Doucet has produced when healthy. At 6-feet, 212 pounds, Doucet runs well after the catch and is a physical blocker.

Those attributes come into play in the Cardinals’ system, which requires receivers to block. The club also likes to throw screens to Doucet, who is strong enough to run through tackles.

Doucet had his best game as a pro in the 51-45 overtime playoff victory against the Packers on Sunday. Doucet moved into the No. 3 role, replacing Steve Breaston, who started in place of the injured Anquan Boldin.

“Early stepped in for ‘Q’ and to play the way he played, the guy has a lot of ability,” said wide receiver Larry Fitzgerald. “I think we have just seen the tip of the iceberg for Early. Great things are coming from him.”

Thanks for the link Obviously if both Breaston and Boldin leave in free agency it says a lot about what the team thinks of Doucet and he's a keeper...but if we were assuming Breaston stays and Boldin goes, what would you say are the chances Doucet takes over the Boldin role and Breaston stays as the dynamic WR3?

Does it matter? Boldin and Breaston both seemed to be on the field all the time with Fitz. Unless Warner leaves, I think Doucet has an excellent shot at WR3 production next year. When Warner goes through progressions, he will hit who is open......not who is the #2 or #3.

I mostly agree with you there, but if Warner leaves (which looks like a real possibility) it definitely becomes relevant.

 

[SSOG]

Is Team 1's owner married or otherwise related to Team 2's owner? Are they having a secret affair behind everyone's back? Was Team 1's owner on an organ transplant list, and if so did he miraculously get news that there was a donor yesterday? I'm really trying to understand what Team 1 is getting out of this, and the only things I can think of are sex or an organ.

I'm really bad at golf. I've only played the sport about 6 or 8 times in my life because I can't stand embarrassing myself in any sport.Some people are just really bad at fantasy football. They need to walk away and try something else, like golf.

I think I'm sticking with the organ explanation. Of course, that raises the question of what kind of organ it would take to push that deal through. Would a kidney be enough, or would you hold out for a liver?

 

[MAC_32]

I've been trying to gauge Early Doucet's value and have been having a hard time. With Boldin probably leaving (and maybe breaston too I think I read on here somewhere) it should increase, but reports of warner retiring worry me...any thoughts?

Doucet Primed as Boldin's Replacement?From Scout.com / The Sports XChange:

It's hard to make a name for yourself when you are sitting behind Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin, just ask Early Doucet. But the former third-round pick is starting to earn his stripes and live up to his hype.

Wide receiver Early Doucet is starting to show why the Cardinals were excited to draft him in the third round in 2008.

In the last three games, Doucet has 12 receptions for 148 yards and three touchdowns.

Those statistics are even more impressive when you consider that Doucet was inactive for the first seven games of the year.

Doucet has been hindered by injuries in training camp in both of his NFL seasons. In 2008, it was a hamstring injury. In 2009, it was a shoulder injury and fractured ribs.

That delayed his progress, and Jerheme Urban held on to the No. 3 slot.

But at mid-season this year, coaches moved Doucet ahead of Urban, perhaps in an effort to find out just what they had in Doucet.

Anquan Boldin could very well be traded in the off-season, and the Cardinals needed to find out if Doucet had the ability to move into the rotation as one of the top three receivers.

Doucet has produced when healthy. At 6-feet, 212 pounds, Doucet runs well after the catch and is a physical blocker.

Those attributes come into play in the Cardinals’ system, which requires receivers to block. The club also likes to throw screens to Doucet, who is strong enough to run through tackles.

Doucet had his best game as a pro in the 51-45 overtime playoff victory against the Packers on Sunday. Doucet moved into the No. 3 role, replacing Steve Breaston, who started in place of the injured Anquan Boldin.

“Early stepped in for ‘Q’ and to play the way he played, the guy has a lot of ability,” said wide receiver Larry Fitzgerald. “I think we have just seen the tip of the iceberg for Early. Great things are coming from him.”

Thanks for the link Obviously if both Breaston and Boldin leave in free agency it says a lot about what the team thinks of Doucet and he's a keeper...but if we were assuming Breaston stays and Boldin goes, what would you say are the chances Doucet takes over the Boldin role and Breaston stays as the dynamic WR3?

As a general rule, in the end, talent will find its way. Doucet is a special talent, he'll get his looks once Boldin is shipped elsewhere. I'm a lot more concerned about their QB than I am the other WR's in regards to Doucet's future value. I picked him off waivers in both of my dyno's midseason and am very happy I did, but feel real uneasy whether I should be dangling him out there for trades once Boldin leaves.

 

[BespokeJort]

Is Team 1's owner married or otherwise related to Team 2's owner? Are they having a secret affair behind everyone's back? Was Team 1's owner on an organ transplant list, and if so did he miraculously get news that there was a donor yesterday? I'm really trying to understand what Team 1 is getting out of this, and the only things I can think of are sex or an organ.

I'm really bad at golf. I've only played the sport about 6 or 8 times in my life because I can't stand embarrassing myself in any sport.Some people are just really bad at fantasy football. They need to walk away and try something else, like golf.

I think I'm sticking with the organ explanation. Of course, that raises the question of what kind of organ it would take to push that deal through. Would a kidney be enough, or would you hold out for a liver?

I think I'm sticking with the sex explanation. Of course, this answers the question of what kind of deal it would take for the owner of team 1 to let the owner of team two push that organ through.

Thanks for the link Obviously if both Breaston and Boldin leave in free agency it says a lot about what the team thinks of Doucet and he's a keeper...but if we were assuming Breaston stays and Boldin goes, what would you say are the chances Doucet takes over the Boldin role and Breaston stays as the dynamic WR3?

As a general rule, in the end, talent will find its way. Doucet is a special talent, he'll get his looks once Boldin is shipped elsewhere. I'm a lot more concerned about their QB than I am the other WR's in regards to Doucet's future value. I picked him off waivers in both of my dyno's midseason and am very happy I did, but feel real uneasy whether I should be dangling him out there for trades once Boldin leaves.

This is the same boat I'm in. Where I'm having trouble is deciding whether I think Doucet is a better talent than Breaston

 

[MAC_32]

This is the same boat I'm in. Where I'm having trouble is deciding whether I think Doucet is a better talent than Breaston

Doucet's a better talent than Breaston, Breaston's going to want more money than the Cards will be willing to pay him so he'll walk.

 

[EBF]

Really? Doucet is a "special talent" after one good game? I hope you're basing that opinion on more than this past weekend.

He definitely fits the mold of a potential breakout player, but it hasn't happened yet.

 

[MAC_32]

Really? Doucet is a "special talent" after one good game? I hope you're basing that opinion on more than this past weekend.He definitely fits the mold of a potential breakout player, but it hasn't happened yet.

I've been high on Doucet since he was in school, thought he got downgraded in the draft for no seemingly good reason. He was one of those guys that played well on the field but 'did not work out well,' or whatever that means.I missed him in my rookie drafts, but was sure to pounce on him the moment his drafters gave up on him.

 

[corpcow]

This is the same boat I'm in. Where I'm having trouble is deciding whether I think Doucet is a better talent than Breaston

Doucet's a better talent than Breaston, Breaston's going to want more money than the Cards will be willing to pay him so he'll walk.

He may be better than Breaston, but a "special talent"? I think "special" and "elite" are perhaps the most overused terms in fantasy football. By definition, only a select few can be "special" or "elite". Most players are, by definition, "average" talents. That doesn't mean they aren't talented, of course, just that their talent level is average relative to their peers who are also much more talented than the general population.As myself and EBF have been preaching in the Forte thread repeatedly, "average" talent doesn't mean a player is BAD, or that he won't produce... but just that he is highly dependent on situation moreso than those who truly are elite, and that elite PRODUCTION may not be sustainable if the OPPORTUNITY doesn't stay elite. Guys like CJ or ADP are elite because they have above average-to-elite opportunity AND elite talent.

 

[LOCO]

Thoughts on Gore? He will be 27 once the season starts. I love the fact that he is a bellcow but worry about injuries, carries, Alex Smith, and the 49ers offense in general. Do you guys still see Gore as a rb1? Would you trade him for young upstart like Charles, Beanie, or Mendy?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Really? Doucet is a "special talent" after one good game? I hope you're basing that opinion on more than this past weekend.He definitely fits the mold of a potential breakout player, but it hasn't happened yet.

Maybe MAC was, but Doucet was not that highly ranked coming out that I remember. I read several blurbs saying he was overrated.

 

[Sabertooth]

This is the same boat I'm in. Where I'm having trouble is deciding whether I think Doucet is a better talent than Breaston

Doucet's a better talent than Breaston, Breaston's going to want more money than the Cards will be willing to pay him so he'll walk.

He may be better than Breaston, but a "special talent"? I think "special" and "elite" are perhaps the most overused terms in fantasy football. By definition, only a select few can be "special" or "elite". Most players are, by definition, "average" talents. That doesn't mean they aren't talented, of course, just that their talent level is average relative to their peers who are also much more talented than the general population.As myself and EBF have been preaching in the Forte thread repeatedly, "average" talent doesn't mean a player is BAD, or that he won't produce... but just that he is highly dependent on situation moreso than those who truly are elite, and that elite PRODUCTION may not be sustainable if the OPPORTUNITY doesn't stay elite. Guys like CJ or ADP are elite because they have above average-to-elite opportunity AND elite talent.

I'd hold the phone on him being better than Breaston even. He was playing against the Packers 6th or 7th best defensive backs.

 

[az_prof]

Really? Doucet is a "special talent" after one good game? I hope you're basing that opinion on more than this past weekend.He definitely fits the mold of a potential breakout player, but it hasn't happened yet.

Thank you EBF for a little sanity. And beyond that, while he made some great run-after-catches, he also dropped some easy balls. I am not at all convinced that Doucet is all that yet. Some dynasty owners over value pre-season and it is clear some also over value post-season.

 

[az_prof]

Thoughts on Gore? He will be 27 once the season starts. I love the fact that he is a bellcow but worry about injuries, carries, Alex Smith, and the 49ers offense in general. Do you guys still see Gore as a rb1? Would you trade him for young upstart like Charles, Beanie, or Mendy?

This is a great question. My gut feeling is that when he has another big injury that his career will be over because he already has had some serious knee injuries. I think I would trade him for the three guys you mention but it is really a judgement call. He could play at a similar level for another three years and I wouldn't be surprised or he could get injured in preseason and his career is over. On the other hand, he has been very consistent for a number of years and those three young players have yet to show that they can consistently do what Gore has done. But I would do it unless you look at your team and are convinced you have one of the top three teams in your league next year. If not, this is the year to trade Gore because when he turns 28 it will be even harder to trade him for a young player like the three you mention.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Thoughts on Gore? He will be 27 once the season starts. I love the fact that he is a bellcow but worry about injuries, carries, Alex Smith, and the 49ers offense in general. Do you guys still see Gore as a rb1? Would you trade him for young upstart like Charles, Beanie, or Mendy?

The bolded are not concerns for me at all. Gore's injuries have always been way overblown. He's had a couple of sprained ankles, but that's about it. My biggest issue is age 27. More of his value is tied up in the past as opposed to the future. But I think he still has to be considered a RB1 for the next two seasons.

 

[Sinrj]

This is the same boat I'm in. Where I'm having trouble is deciding whether I think Doucet is a better talent than Breaston

Doucet's a better talent than Breaston, Breaston's going to want more money than the Cards will be willing to pay him so he'll walk.

He may be better than Breaston, but a "special talent"? I think "special" and "elite" are perhaps the most overused terms in fantasy football. By definition, only a select few can be "special" or "elite". Most players are, by definition, "average" talents. That doesn't mean they aren't talented, of course, just that their talent level is average relative to their peers who are also much more talented than the general population.As myself and EBF have been preaching in the Forte thread repeatedly, "average" talent doesn't mean a player is BAD, or that he won't produce... but just that he is highly dependent on situation moreso than those who truly are elite, and that elite PRODUCTION may not be sustainable if the OPPORTUNITY doesn't stay elite. Guys like CJ or ADP are elite because they have above average-to-elite opportunity AND elite talent.

Great post. Now what would you do/say about elite talent with below average-to-mediocre opportunity/situation?

 

[MAC_32]

Really? Doucet is a "special talent" after one good game? I hope you're basing that opinion on more than this past weekend.He definitely fits the mold of a potential breakout player, but it hasn't happened yet.

Maybe MAC was, but Doucet was not that highly ranked coming out that I remember. I read several blurbs saying he was overrated.

He did not work out well, which caused his tumble down draft boards from January to April. However, there was a reason he was that high to begin with. Cases like Doucet are why I try to pay closer attention to a guys play in college more than others, or at least did, real life limited that more than usual this past season. The focus of scouting lies January to April every year, and while a lot of valuable information can be learned during that period it seems as though most is taken with gospel instead of for what it should be, one piece (of many) used to make the best possible decision. Since it's not guys like Doucet fall to forgotten rounds of the draft and Devin Thomas is a top 30 pick, which would have been looked at as criminal had the draft been 6 months earlier.

 

[MAC_32]

Thoughts on Gore? He will be 27 once the season starts. I love the fact that he is a bellcow but worry about injuries, carries, Alex Smith, and the 49ers offense in general. Do you guys still see Gore as a rb1? Would you trade him for young upstart like Charles, Beanie, or Mendy?

Most view him as a top 5-7 back right now, I don't think that will be the case after 2010. Now is the time to sell, he's had 5 years of feature back work under his belt, the downward spiral hasn't begun yet but it will sooner than later. I think the 9ers should (and might) draft a RB this year, but I think they will after next season and Gore owners will be more aware of that and price accordingly at that time. Who I would deal him for depends on my situation, but if I had the depth to I would zero in on the J Stew owner as a target.

 

[Daniel Shirley]

Thoughts on Gore? He will be 27 once the season starts. I love the fact that he is a bellcow but worry about injuries, carries, Alex Smith, and the 49ers offense in general. Do you guys still see Gore as a rb1? Would you trade him for young upstart like Charles, Beanie, or Mendy?

Most view him as a top 5-7 back right now, I don't think that will be the case after 2010. Now is the time to sell, he's had 5 years of feature back work under his belt, the downward spiral hasn't begun yet but it will sooner than later. I think the 9ers should (and might) draft a RB this year, but I think they will after next season and Gore owners will be more aware of that and price accordingly at that time. Who I would deal him for depends on my situation, but if I had the depth to I would zero in on the J Stew owner as a target.

Was happy to read your last sentence, since that was what I was thinking lately. I think, based on the owner, I could get him to throw in either Calvin Johnson or more likely Crabtree by offering Gore & a younger QB than what he has, say Stafford (I have Matt Ryan, he has Favre and noodle arm Orton). But I'm kind of up in the air as to which would be better to buy. I know there has been a lot of back and forth on CJ in the last few pages, but hadn't seen much Crabtree discussion lately (I think). The emergence of V Davis as the red zone receiving threat on SF seems to put a few warning labels in Crabtree's TD production column.And to get this out of the way: VD & crabs...heheDaniel

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Really? Doucet is a "special talent" after one good game? I hope you're basing that opinion on more than this past weekend.

He definitely fits the mold of a potential breakout player, but it hasn't happened yet.

Here's Doucet's TDs.No one covered him on the first one. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...-15-yard-TD-rec

He was "covered" by Jarrett Bush on the 2nd. Both Nick Collins and Tramon Williams had a chance to tackle him, yet neither even attempted to wrap up. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...et-s-2nd-TD-rec

I was impressed with a couple of the catches that Breaston made. He made a good adjustment to a ball thrown behind him on the TD. He also made a one handed grab down the sideline. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...ston-highlights

I am a Breaston owner, and am still trying to figure out what I've got. He's pretty lanky in comparison to most of the very successful WRs in the NFL. But, he's already put up a 1000+ yard season and has been good on kick and punt returns.

Curious what people think of him going forward. Will he always be a borderline starter in a start 3 WR league? Whats his upside? WR2? Is he a sell high now with the perception that Boldin is as good as gone?

 

[thriftyrocker]

Thoughts on Gore? He will be 27 once the season starts. I love the fact that he is a bellcow but worry about injuries, carries, Alex Smith, and the 49ers offense in general. Do you guys still see Gore as a rb1? Would you trade him for young upstart like Charles, Beanie, or Mendy?

Most view him as a top 5-7 back right now, I don't think that will be the case after 2010. Now is the time to sell, he's had 5 years of feature back work under his belt, the downward spiral hasn't begun yet but it will sooner than later. I think the 9ers should (and might) draft a RB this year, but I think they will after next season and Gore owners will be more aware of that and price accordingly at that time. Who I would deal him for depends on my situation, but if I had the depth to I would zero in on the J Stew owner as a target.

Was happy to read your last sentence, since that was what I was thinking lately. I think, based on the owner, I could get him to throw in either Calvin Johnson or more likely Crabtree by offering Gore & a younger QB than what he has, say Stafford (I have Matt Ryan, he has Favre and noodle arm Orton). But I'm kind of up in the air as to which would be better to buy. I know there has been a lot of back and forth on CJ in the last few pages, but hadn't seen much Crabtree discussion lately (I think). The emergence of V Davis as the red zone receiving threat on SF seems to put a few warning labels in Crabtree's TD production column.And to get this out of the way: VD & crabs...heheDaniel

Stewart + (Calvin or Crabtree) >>>>> Gore + (Stafford or Ryan)

 

[MAC_32]

I am a Breaston owner, and am still trying to figure out what I've got. He's pretty lanky in comparison to most of the very successful WRs in the NFL. But, he's already put up a 1000+ yard season and has been good on kick and punt returns. Curious what people think of him going forward. Will he always be a borderline starter in a start 3 WR league? Whats his upside? WR2? Is he a sell high now with the perception that Boldin is as good as gone?

Breaston will be great once Boldin is gone and as long as Warner is around and Breaston is a Cardinal. If I had the depth I'd sell him then, if I didn't I'd gamble and hope Breaston further improves his value and sell him when he leaves Arizona or Warner hangs it up, whichever happens first. I think a great comparison for Breaston is Housh.

 

[thriftyrocker]

I am a Breaston owner, and am still trying to figure out what I've got. He's pretty lanky in comparison to most of the very successful WRs in the NFL. But, he's already put up a 1000+ yard season and has been good on kick and punt returns. Curious what people think of him going forward. Will he always be a borderline starter in a start 3 WR league? Whats his upside? WR2? Is he a sell high now with the perception that Boldin is as good as gone?

Breaston will be great once Boldin is gone and as long as Warner is around and Breaston is a Cardinal. If I had the depth I'd sell him then, if I didn't I'd gamble and hope Breaston further improves his value and sell him when he leaves Arizona or Warner hangs it up, whichever happens first. I think a great comparison for Breaston is Housh.

That is a lot of what ifs. Warner is probably gone. Breaston might be gone. I think you are looking at Bryant Johnson redux - short term "he was just being held back by Boldin" love/optimism followed by disappointment.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Thoughts on Gore? He will be 27 once the season starts. I love the fact that he is a bellcow but worry about injuries, carries, Alex Smith, and the 49ers offense in general. Do you guys still see Gore as a rb1? Would you trade him for young upstart like Charles, Beanie, or Mendy?

Most view him as a top 5-7 back right now, I don't think that will be the case after 2010. Now is the time to sell, he's had 5 years of feature back work under his belt, the downward spiral hasn't begun yet but it will sooner than later. I think the 9ers should (and might) draft a RB this year, but I think they will after next season and Gore owners will be more aware of that and price accordingly at that time. Who I would deal him for depends on my situation, but if I had the depth to I would zero in on the J Stew owner as a target.

Was happy to read your last sentence, since that was what I was thinking lately. I think, based on the owner, I could get him to throw in either Calvin Johnson or more likely Crabtree by offering Gore & a younger QB than what he has, say Stafford (I have Matt Ryan, he has Favre and noodle arm Orton). But I'm kind of up in the air as to which would be better to buy. I know there has been a lot of back and forth on CJ in the last few pages, but hadn't seen much Crabtree discussion lately (I think). The emergence of V Davis as the red zone receiving threat on SF seems to put a few warning labels in Crabtree's TD production column.And to get this out of the way: VD & crabs...hehe

Daniel

I like Vernon Davis going forward quite a bit. I'm pretty confident that his 13 TDs from this year are going to be his career high though. I'm not a 49er fan, so I only caught a few of their games, but it seemed like VD caught a huge percentage of his passes running straight down the seam. Defenses will adjust and make things more difficult for him in 2010. I think he'll still be good, just not 965/13 good. I am an optimistic Crabtree owner so take this for what its worth. Crabtree had surgery to repair a stress fracture in his foot this past March. He was in a cast for 3+ weeks. He then missed all the OTAs, training camp, and first five weeks of the regular season. So he walks into the 49ers facility in October having spent a good deal of his offseason rehabbing a foot injury, and being mostly clueless on the playbook. Personally, I thought it would be amazing if he caught 30 passes rest of the way. Instead he put up 48/625/2 in 11 games. Over 16 that prorates to 70/909/3. He averaged 13.0 yards per catch. Just slightly ahead of Bowe and Boldin's career averages (12.8), and slightly behind Fitzgeralds (13.5). Almost exactly what most thought he'd be. I'd expect him to be a step quicker next year too. He won't have to spend his offseason rehabbing his foot. He'll actually be able to do normal offseason training. He'll also know the playbook much better in 2010. I think we're looking at the next Anquan Boldin, hopefully without the injury woes.

A few notable plays:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/san-francisco-49...ael-Crabtree-TD

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...s-1st-career-TD

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000...vs-Jaguars-2009

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Really? Doucet is a "special talent" after one good game? I hope you're basing that opinion on more than this past weekend.He definitely fits the mold of a potential breakout player, but it hasn't happened yet.

I've been high on Doucet since he was in school, thought he got downgraded in the draft for no seemingly good reason. He was one of those guys that played well on the field but 'did not work out well,' or whatever that means.I missed him in my rookie drafts, but was sure to pounce on him the moment his drafters gave up on him.

if by "played well on the field" you mean "had the hands of a baby cow", then I agree.Seriously though as a Gator fan I used to love Doucet in college...he helped us out with so many easy drops.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Thoughts on Gore? He will be 27 once the season starts. I love the fact that he is a bellcow but worry about injuries, carries, Alex Smith, and the 49ers offense in general. Do you guys still see Gore as a rb1? Would you trade him for young upstart like Charles, Beanie, or Mendy?

Most view him as a top 5-7 back right now, I don't think that will be the case after 2010. Now is the time to sell, he's had 5 years of feature back work under his belt, the downward spiral hasn't begun yet but it will sooner than later. I think the 9ers should (and might) draft a RB this year, but I think they will after next season and Gore owners will be more aware of that and price accordingly at that time. Who I would deal him for depends on my situation, but if I had the depth to I would zero in on the J Stew owner as a target.

Was happy to read your last sentence, since that was what I was thinking lately. I think, based on the owner, I could get him to throw in either Calvin Johnson or more likely Crabtree by offering Gore & a younger QB than what he has, say Stafford (I have Matt Ryan, he has Favre and noodle arm Orton). But I'm kind of up in the air as to which would be better to buy. I know there has been a lot of back and forth on CJ in the last few pages, but hadn't seen much Crabtree discussion lately (I think). The emergence of V Davis as the red zone receiving threat on SF seems to put a few warning labels in Crabtree's TD production column.And to get this out of the way: VD & crabs...heheDaniel

Stewart + (Calvin or Crabtree) >>>>> Gore + (Stafford or Ryan)

I can't imagine a Stewart owner doing that deal.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I am a Breaston owner, and am still trying to figure out what I've got. He's pretty lanky in comparison to most of the very successful WRs in the NFL. But, he's already put up a 1000+ yard season and has been good on kick and punt returns. Curious what people think of him going forward. Will he always be a borderline starter in a start 3 WR league? Whats his upside? WR2? Is he a sell high now with the perception that Boldin is as good as gone?

Breaston will be great once Boldin is gone and as long as Warner is around and Breaston is a Cardinal. If I had the depth I'd sell him then, if I didn't I'd gamble and hope Breaston further improves his value and sell him when he leaves Arizona or Warner hangs it up, whichever happens first. I think a great comparison for Breaston is Housh.

That is a lot of what ifs. Warner is probably gone. Breaston might be gone. I think you are looking at Bryant Johnson redux - short term "he was just being held back by Boldin" love/optimism followed by disappointment.

There is no way Arizona gets rid of Breaston if Boldin leaves. Not only would that leave Arizona depleted at WR, they would also be hurt in the return game. I also think the Breaston and Bryant Johnson comparisons are bad. Breaston has actually done something on the field. Bryant Johnson has topped 550 yards once and never has caught 50 passes.

 

[MAC_32]

There is no way Arizona gets rid of Breaston if Boldin leaves. Not only would that leave Arizona depleted at WR, they would also be hurt in the return game. I also think the Breaston and Bryant Johnson comparisons are bad. Breaston has actually done something on the field. Bryant Johnson has topped 550 yards once and never has caught 50 passes.

Maybe not this year, but maybe next? What they do in FA and the draft may tip their hand, if they add another WR in the middle rounds or for cheap off the scrap heap it is something to be aware of. They seem to like Urban as depth as the so if they believe Doucet is a capable #2 they need to find a #3, which is not that daunting of a task.As for the return game, how has Stephens-Howling done? any blurbs from the staff about how they feel about him? I know they talked up his return abilities preseason and he's been back there some so he could fill that void if up to the task.

 

[karmarooster]

posted this in another thread about mike sims-walker, but i wanted to hear other opinions about him....

i was just evaluating MSWs season last night as i own him in my dynasty league.

2009 stats: 63 - 869 - 7 TDs (essentially 14 games)

Prorated to 16 games: 72 - 993 - 8 TDs

IMO his ceiling is pretty high for next season, but his floor is pretty low, too. Let's imagine a best case scenario for the Jags: they decide to keep Garrard around and he improves on his hot/cold syndrome that made MSW so volatile. Or the Jags draft a talented QB not named Tebow, sign a FA, or do something else that doesn't hurt his value. His ceiling IMO is something in the neighborhood: 75 catches, 1050 yards, and 8 or so TDs.

On the other hand, there are several potential ways that his numbers go down next season. Garrard stays QB and stays very mediocre, but he pretty much ran himself out of town this year. A rookie QB could put a big dent in MSW's numbers, and the Jags don't seem too far from falling off a cliff and having a really bad season (think 3-13). 55 catches, 800 yards, and 4-5 TDs could be what you're looking at on the low end if the wheels really fall off.

while he's young and talented, and i like his outlook over the long term, next year is very uncertain.

any thoughts?

 

[MAC_32]

posted this in another thread about mike sims-walker, but i wanted to hear other opinions about him....i was just evaluating MSWs season last night as i own him in my dynasty league. 2009 stats: 63 - 869 - 7 TDs (essentially 14 games)Prorated to 16 games: 72 - 993 - 8 TDsIMO his ceiling is pretty high for next season, but his floor is pretty low, too. Let's imagine a best case scenario for the Jags: they decide to keep Garrard around and he improves on his hot/cold syndrome that made MSW so volatile. Or the Jags draft a talented QB not named Tebow, sign a FA, or do something else that doesn't hurt his value. His ceiling IMO is something in the neighborhood: 75 catches, 1050 yards, and 8 or so TDs. On the other hand, there are several potential ways that his numbers go down next season. Garrard stays QB and stays very mediocre, but he pretty much ran himself out of town this year. A rookie QB could put a big dent in MSW's numbers, and the Jags don't seem too far from falling off a cliff and having a really bad season (think 3-13). 55 catches, 800 yards, and 4-5 TDs could be what you're looking at on the low end if the wheels really fall off.while he's young and talented, and i like his outlook over the long term, next year is very uncertain. any thoughts?

Garrard's mediocre, that isn't going to change.Sims-Walker will be going through his first full offseason knowing he's the team's #1 instead of fighting for playing time and to stay healthy, that's a plus.Another QB being brought in is obviously a question mark, but whoever it is probably isn't going to be any worse for Sims-Walker than Garrard was.Del Rio returning is not good for anyone, this team will continue to be average at best as long as he's around so that keeps his ceiling lowered a bit more than otherwise.At worst, he's a risky #3 with low end #1 upside in the short term and potentially more in the long term if his QB and coaching situation improves. He has the supporting cast and talent to succeed, just needs a better QB. I think most view him in the mid-high 20's as far as dynasty WR's is concerned and I think that's too low. If I didn't already own him I'd be buying.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

posted this in another thread about mike sims-walker, but i wanted to hear other opinions about him....i was just evaluating MSWs season last night as i own him in my dynasty league. 2009 stats: 63 - 869 - 7 TDs (essentially 14 games)Prorated to 16 games: 72 - 993 - 8 TDsIMO his ceiling is pretty high for next season, but his floor is pretty low, too. Let's imagine a best case scenario for the Jags: they decide to keep Garrard around and he improves on his hot/cold syndrome that made MSW so volatile. Or the Jags draft a talented QB not named Tebow, sign a FA, or do something else that doesn't hurt his value. His ceiling IMO is something in the neighborhood: 75 catches, 1050 yards, and 8 or so TDs. On the other hand, there are several potential ways that his numbers go down next season. Garrard stays QB and stays very mediocre, but he pretty much ran himself out of town this year. A rookie QB could put a big dent in MSW's numbers, and the Jags don't seem too far from falling off a cliff and having a really bad season (think 3-13). 55 catches, 800 yards, and 4-5 TDs could be what you're looking at on the low end if the wheels really fall off.while he's young and talented, and i like his outlook over the long term, next year is very uncertain. any thoughts?

Garrard's mediocre, that isn't going to change.Sims-Walker will be going through his first full offseason knowing he's the team's #1 instead of fighting for playing time and to stay healthy, that's a plus.Another QB being brought in is obviously a question mark, but whoever it is probably isn't going to be any worse for Sims-Walker than Garrard was.Del Rio returning is not good for anyone, this team will continue to be average at best as long as he's around so that keeps his ceiling lowered a bit more than otherwise.At worst, he's a risky #3 with low end #1 upside in the short term and potentially more in the long term if his QB and coaching situation improves. He has the supporting cast and talent to succeed, just needs a better QB. I think most view him in the mid-high 20's as far as dynasty WR's is concerned and I think that's too low. If I didn't already own him I'd be buying.

Not sure I'd be in the buy category on MSW. He's been injured all three years he's been in the league and completely missed his rookie year due to injury. I think he is a talented WR, and could end up being a very nice dynasty asset. I guess it comes down to what you'd have to give up to get him. F&L has him as his #24 WR, surrounded by Steve Smith, NYG (22), Ochocinco (23), Kenny Britt (25), Jeremy Maclin (26), and Robert Meachem (27). I'd prefer all of those guys to MSW other than Meachem.

 

[Daniel Shirley]

I just wanted to throw a name out there that always seems to be hanging around my roster (and a few other's, I suspect).

Jerious Norwood

Should be hitting the market when FA starts. Is he anything more than a Leon Washington South or does he have what it takes to be a Jamaal Charles/Chris Johnson type starting back (not in terms of CJ's all world talent, obviously)?

 

[ebcpastor2004]

I just posted this in the Dynasy- Elite RB thread. The trade is still pending but it's a done deal. I'm the one getting Stewart.

I took the team over before the 2009 season. It was pretty much devoid of talent & I considered it a total rebuild going in. Smith was already on the team, but QB is a strength for me & I didn't mind dealing him since I have Ben R, Sanchez, & Chad Henne. I picked up Stephens-Howling on waivers before the season started. Cushing was already on the roster, but I'm leary of a SAM LB keeping up this pace. Anyway, of course I finished last & got the first overall pick. That is not the 2010 1st that is in the trade. The previous owner had sold Steve Smith CAR for thist 1st last off-season & it turned out to be the 1.3. I still have the 1.1 & will use it to take Dez Bryant or try to use it in a trade for Calvin (I hope but I haven't tried yet).Just wondering if I over-paid. I've second-guessed including next year's first in it, but it's done now. Overall, I'm okay with it.Team A:Smith, Alex SFO QBStephens-Howling, LaRod ARI RBCushing, Brian HOU LBYear 2010 Round 1 Draft Pick from Denver BroncosYear 2010 Round 3 Draft Pick from Houston TexansYear 2010 Round 6 Draft Pick from Detroit LionsYear 2011 Round 1 Draft Pick from New York GiantsTeam B:Stewart, Jonathan CAR RBYear 2010 Round 2 Draft Pick from Seattle Seahawks

What do you think?

 

[werdnoynek]

I've asked a few questions in this thread but haven't really gotten much response. So here are my thoughts instead. Justin Forsett's value take a nice jump if Carroll heads to Seattle. He's the next Jamaal Charles I think. He's been dynamite, and will have the offseason now to get stronger and better. He's very fast and Carroll has no connection to Julius Jones at all. It might well be a real competition but I don't think that Forsett loses that battle.

i'm curious what other people are thinking about this kid as well for dynasty... saber didn't seem to get any responses regarding this post, but he makes some valid points. i was kind of suprised that backs such as arian foster and bernard scott, among others, were ranked higher than him yet he seemed to produce at a much higher level when he was given the opportunities. is there some reasoning behind this that i'm missing?

 

[Fear & Loathing]

I've asked a few questions in this thread but haven't really gotten much response. So here are my thoughts instead. Justin Forsett's value take a nice jump if Carroll heads to Seattle. He's the next Jamaal Charles I think. He's been dynamite, and will have the offseason now to get stronger and better. He's very fast and Carroll has no connection to Julius Jones at all. It might well be a real competition but I don't think that Forsett loses that battle.

i'm curious what other people are thinking about this kid as well for dynasty... saber didn't seem to get any responses regarding this post, but he makes some valid points. i was kind of suprised that backs such as arian foster and bernard scott, among others, were ranked higher than him yet he seemed to produce at a much higher level when he was given the opportunities. is there some reasoning behind this that i'm missing?

My reasoning is that Forsett is likely to be a long-term role player while Foster has a chance to be an early-down lead back. In other words, both teams are likely to upgrade at RB, but Foster has a better chance to take the job and run with it for a couple of years if given the chance. I don't think Forsett can carry Jamaal Charles' jock. The talent difference there is night and day.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

I just wanted to throw a name out there that always seems to be hanging around my roster (and a few other's, I suspect). Jerious NorwoodShould be hitting the market when FA starts. Is he anything more than a Leon Washington South or does he have what it takes to be a Jamaal Charles/Chris Johnson type starting back (not in terms of CJ's all world talent, obviously)?

Norwood actually bounced around on the waiver wire this year in the FB Guys Dynasty Thread league, which has 25-man rosters in a 12-team league. I think he's actually less than Leon Washington South. He won't stay healthy, and he won't get more than 10-12 touches per game. His efficiency also took a huge hit this season.

 

[werdnoynek]

I've asked a few questions in this thread but haven't really gotten much response. So here are my thoughts instead. Justin Forsett's value take a nice jump if Carroll heads to Seattle. He's the next Jamaal Charles I think. He's been dynamite, and will have the offseason now to get stronger and better. He's very fast and Carroll has no connection to Julius Jones at all. It might well be a real competition but I don't think that Forsett loses that battle.

i'm curious what other people are thinking about this kid as well for dynasty... saber didn't seem to get any responses regarding this post, but he makes some valid points. i was kind of suprised that backs such as arian foster and bernard scott, among others, were ranked higher than him yet he seemed to produce at a much higher level when he was given the opportunities. is there some reasoning behind this that i'm missing?

My reasoning is that Forsett is likely to be a long-term role player while Foster has a chance to be an early-down lead back. In other words, both teams are likely to upgrade at RB, but Foster has a better chance to take the job and run with it for a couple of years if given the chance. I don't think Forsett can carry Jamaal Charles' jock. The talent difference there is night and day.

thank you sir. (for the response, and for your rankings) i see where you're coming from now, and it definitely makes sense.

 

[thriftyrocker]

I've asked a few questions in this thread but haven't really gotten much response. So here are my thoughts instead. Justin Forsett's value take a nice jump if Carroll heads to Seattle. He's the next Jamaal Charles I think. He's been dynamite, and will have the offseason now to get stronger and better. He's very fast and Carroll has no connection to Julius Jones at all. It might well be a real competition but I don't think that Forsett loses that battle.

i'm curious what other people are thinking about this kid as well for dynasty... saber didn't seem to get any responses regarding this post, but he makes some valid points. i was kind of suprised that backs such as arian foster and bernard scott, among others, were ranked higher than him yet he seemed to produce at a much higher level when he was given the opportunities. is there some reasoning behind this that i'm missing?

There's also a thread saying "Bush to Seattle?". I agree the Carroll signing (and Mora firing) is much better for Forsett than Jones. Mora seemed to be holding Forsett back, and Carroll should be familiar with his talents. But Forsett is still very replaceable. It will be hard for the Seahawks to justify going into next year with Forsett and Jones as their two best backs, and signing or drafting anyone will knock down Forsett's chance at actually emerging.I think Foster is a lot less talented. But his opportunity is pretty gold. He is good enough to fit the Denver/Houston system, and Kubiak is staying. Slaton's presence provides the team a reason NOT to get another back, which should keep the competition stable. Foster still has a puncher's chance at being the starter coming out of training camp. His main need, really, is some Tiki fumblitis training.Scott may be more talented than Forsett, and he is on a team that is dedicated to running the ball. His only problem is he needs a Benson injury. But if Benson does get injured, he has a real chance to at least shine and maybe take over.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

I think Foster is a lot less talented.

Than Forsett?

 

[MAC_32]

I've asked a few questions in this thread but haven't really gotten much response. So here are my thoughts instead. Justin Forsett's value take a nice jump if Carroll heads to Seattle. He's the next Jamaal Charles I think. He's been dynamite, and will have the offseason now to get stronger and better. He's very fast and Carroll has no connection to Julius Jones at all. It might well be a real competition but I don't think that Forsett loses that battle.

i'm curious what other people are thinking about this kid as well for dynasty... saber didn't seem to get any responses regarding this post, but he makes some valid points. i was kind of suprised that backs such as arian foster and bernard scott, among others, were ranked higher than him yet he seemed to produce at a much higher level when he was given the opportunities. is there some reasoning behind this that i'm missing?

Arian Foster is not good, I think anyone who ranks him below Forsett is either nuts or hasn't watched enough of both play. Bernard Scott has a lot of talent, he's a guy that if he ever gets dropped I will quickly swipe in and stash him. He'll need an injury to get a real opportunity, but if he got it I think he'd produce well. It'll happen at some point, hopefully for my team's sake it is later and not earlier.I'm looking for an opportunity to sell Forsett because I don't think he'll get an opportunity, even though I think he should. Guys a baller and produces when he gets touches but because he's not 'the right size' that won't ever happen. I fully expect the Hawks to bring in someone to share the load with him this season. If I can't get a good price for him I'll just hold steady and hope he takes advantage of more opportunities in 2010 and see where it goes from there. If he produces enough times you'd think he'd be given more responsibilities though, right? Maybe? Probably not...

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Arian Foster is not good, I think anyone who ranks him below Forsett is either nuts or hasn't watched enough of both play.

I disagree strongly, and I watched both of them play this year.

 

[MAC_32]

Arian Foster is not good, I think anyone who ranks him below Forsett is either nuts or hasn't watched enough of both play.

I disagree strongly, and I watched both of them play this year.

Ask a Tennessee Vol fan what they think of Foster, he shows promise and then disappoints once he has expectations. There's a reason the human fumble at the absolut worst time was as lightly regarded as he was coming into the league.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Arian Foster is not good, I think anyone who ranks him below Forsett is either nuts or hasn't watched enough of both play.

I disagree strongly, and I watched both of them play this year.

Ask a Tennessee Vol fan what they think of Foster, he shows promise and then disappoints once he has expectations. There's a reason the human fumble at the absolut worst time was as lightly regarded as he was coming into the league.

I don't care what Tennessee fans think of Foster. They're fanatical by nature.