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For the love of gawwwd, can we please stop talking about Vincent Jackson? There must be 5+ pages of nothing but VJax talk in this thread since last season.

 
For the love of gawwwd, can we please stop talking about Vincent Jackson? There must be 5+ pages of nothing but VJax talk in this thread since last season.
I think there is very good reason for that and almost all of the discussion has been valid.Vincent Jackson's situation provides an extremely unique situation as it relates to dynasty arguments and debate- a player likely to sit out a season who people have very wide ranging opinions on his true skill level. On top of that, it is the player the 2 most respected posters in the thread happen to back and believe in far more than anyone else (F&L and SSOG).It allows us the opportunity to debate in depth just how much you should downgrade a player because of the loss of an entire season and the fact that it is a player that some view as simply above average, while others view him as elite, just makes it even more interesting and allows more room for solid discussion and strategy talk. It also allows us the opportunity to pick F&L and SSOG's brains and figure out just why they rank a player so highly that I (and others) just don't see in the same light. Considering how good their projections tend to be (particularly F&L, who is the gold standard for talent evaluation on this board), this is another useful result of the discussion.What exactly is wrong with 5+ pages of that? Vincent Jackson is simply the catalyst for all that useful discussion.
 
Honestly, I don't understand this, "Let's stop talking about Player X/Topic X."

So what if there are X number of pages dedicated to it. Either, ignore the content or introduce new content to discuss.

Is the Jackson talk prohibiting others topics? Not in my opinion. What's the problem then?

Meh...I just don't get it I guess. :loco:

 
It's interesting that you make this argument - because all indications are that the opposite is true...

...snip...

In the end, it may be immaterial - and it certainly is independent of on-the-field evaluation - but it sure seems like teams are NOT willing to give him the uber-stud money, while Marshall DID get uber-stud money. Is that not at least somewhat relevant?

(For the record, I personally think V-Jax is one of the more overrated players, and I think Floyd may illustrate that somewhat this year. Floyd put up identical YPC to V-Jax last year, with only half a season as the starter. He may not quite be the same red-zone threat, but he is also a taller receiver with good ball skills. But hey, let's revisit this at the end of season).
First off, that's just two teams (Seattle and Minnesota). Seattle initially balked at paying him #1 receiver in the NFL money. That aside, they knew he was going to be asking for a top-5 type contract when they went after him, and that didn't stop them from going after him. They knew what his contract demands and yet rumors still popped up that they were dumping Housh to make room so they could afford VJax's demands. After all is said and done, I don't know whether Jackson will be the highest paid receiver in the NFL or not, but I do know he's going to be top 5. And, for all we know, Washington might be willing to pay that $50 million contract, but San Diego hasn't given them permission to talk to Jackson.
all of those guys you listed have had elite 1,300 yard seasons before and seasons with 10+ td's. Vincent jackson has been consistently good over the past 2 seasons, but never elite, much like a derrick mason type.

Im not saying vjax isn't good, im saying so far he hasn't ever had a great season which is what elite players have the ability to do.

Also i don't believe vjax will ever be a high reception guy as his game is more vertical and he isn't the type of wr who runs a lot of short and intermediate routes.

He's a very good vertical weapon, just not an all around one or a freak like calvin/moss.
That looks like semantics to me. Sure, Brandon Marshall had a 1300 yard season... 3 years ago. His yards and ypc have steadily declined for two straight years since then. He happened to grab 10 TDs, but it was 2 years removed from his 1300 yard season.At the end of the day, Brandon Marshall has never finished better than WR9. Over the past 3 seasons, he's finished 9th, 11th, and 9th. Over the past 2 seasons, Jackson has finished 10th and 12th. The total difference in their stat line from the last two years is 75 yards and 0 TDs. You'll forgive me if I just don't really see the difference between their resumes to date. And yet, Brandon Marshall is a guy who I've gotten a lot of heat for in the past because I dared to rank him around 10th instead of around 5th, and Vincent Jackson is a guy I've gotten a lot of heat for in the past because I dared to rank him around 5th instead of around 10th. :goodposting:

 
Finally stopped complaining about rough seas, stayed in Saturday night, and brought the ship in: Updated Dynasty ranks.
Brandon Marshall 15th.......Why am I not surprised ??

Wesseling HATERADE in full effect
When he's putting his rankings together he's doing it specifically with an eye to pissing you off. Has nothing to do with what he really thinks. Maybe you should just stop looking at them?
 
Finally stopped complaining about rough seas, stayed in Saturday night, and brought the ship in: Updated Dynasty ranks.
Brandon Marshall 15th.......Why am I not surprised ??

Wesseling HATERADE in full effect
Stop it. Please let's not do this again....He even explained why - care to respond with an actual thought? On second thought, nevermind. I dont' want to start the merry-go-round again.

 
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Finally stopped complaining about rough seas, stayed in Saturday night, and brought the ship in: Updated Dynasty ranks.
Brandon Marshall 15th.......Why am I not surprised ??

Wesseling HATERADE in full effect
Stop it. Please let's not do this again....He even explained why - care to respond with an actual thought? On second thought, nevermind. I dont' want to start the merry-go-round again.
I don't need to respond

His (and SSOG) hate versus Brandon Marshall is already "certified"

I hope he will prove them wrong (once again)

 
Finally stopped complaining about rough seas, stayed in Saturday night, and brought the ship in: Updated Dynasty ranks.
Brandon Marshall 15th.......Why am I not surprised ??

Wesseling HATERADE in full effect
Yes, I spent double digit hours of what little free time I have to come up with a list that will stick it to Brandon Marshall. I wouldn't even do these rankings if I didn't get the joy from placing Marshall 10 spots below where he rightfully belongs.
 
Arian Foster is the guy. Book it.
Beyond 2010? :rant:
Yes. And you have no credibility whatsoever on the Texans backfield.Do you still have a broken down kick returner as the starter here?
No, im just saying Foster wont be starting for the Texans for much longer than that broken down kick returner did, and it wont be because he suffered an injury either.Im not sure if this is the best time to do it, but Foster owners should consider trading him sometime in the near future. Foster is an average talent who won the job because of injuries. If Tate and Slaton were both 100%, would anyone still think Foster was a top 20 dynasty back? He may have a good 2010, but his long term outlook is not good.
:lmao: What's your read on the Texans' backfield now, Go deep? I wanna know so I can go with the direct opposite.
 
Fear & Loathing said:
Finally stopped complaining about rough seas, stayed in Saturday night, and brought the ship in: Updated Dynasty ranks.
:thumbup: Questions:

1. Is this the place you will maintain updated rankings from here forward (i.e., is Sons of Tundra history)?

2. Have you decided to get rid of value scores?

3. How will you indicate risers and fallers in this format in future updates? (Or will you?)

A few comments/questions about the rankings:

1. Surprised to see Henne at #21; I thought he would be higher. You'd really rather have Carson Palmer? Your previous rankings had him at QB16. What led you to drop him?

2. Surprised to see Favre at #22; are you assuming he will play beyond this season? Hard to believe you'd rather have him than all of the guys ranked below him.

3. Randy Moss seems a bit high at #7, given he is 33 and we don't know where he will play next season.

 
Arian Foster is the guy. Book it.
Beyond 2010? :wub:
Yes. And you have no credibility whatsoever on the Texans backfield.Do you still have a broken down kick returner as the starter here?
No, im just saying Foster wont be starting for the Texans for much longer than that broken down kick returner did, and it wont be because he suffered an injury either.Im not sure if this is the best time to do it, but Foster owners should consider trading him sometime in the near future. Foster is an average talent who won the job because of injuries. If Tate and Slaton were both 100%, would anyone still think Foster was a top 20 dynasty back? He may have a good 2010, but his long term outlook is not good.
:angry: What's your read on the Texans' backfield now, Go deep? I wanna know so I can go with the direct opposite.
He looked good today, but so did Slaton for a whole season. What did i just say that was wrong. I said he might have a good season this year, its his long term value that i dont like.Foster and Slatons siutation are very similar. If Foster is still starting and producing a year or two from now i will gladly admit that i was wrong.I do find it pretty funny that i can be wrong about Foster after one game, but you were not wrong about Slaton after he had a top 10 season.By the way, nice job of going back 10 pages to bump a post. Maybe i should dig out the Flacco vs. Warner debate from last year.
 
moderated said:
Why is a guy who's put up on average 1,050 yards/ 8td's on average over his past 2 "career years" viewed as such a stud.Those are derrick mason type numbers, not aj/fitz/moss type.So let's stop treating him as some uber-elite talent and call him what he is, a solid productive wr who will put up decent yet unspectacular numbers.There is absolutely nothing wrong with getting a 27 yr old derrick mason, so let's enjoy him for what he is.
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SSOG said:
corpcow said:
It's interesting that you make this argument - because all indications are that the opposite is true...

...snip...

In the end, it may be immaterial - and it certainly is independent of on-the-field evaluation - but it sure seems like teams are NOT willing to give him the uber-stud money, while Marshall DID get uber-stud money. Is that not at least somewhat relevant?

(For the record, I personally think V-Jax is one of the more overrated players, and I think Floyd may illustrate that somewhat this year. Floyd put up identical YPC to V-Jax last year, with only half a season as the starter. He may not quite be the same red-zone threat, but he is also a taller receiver with good ball skills. But hey, let's revisit this at the end of season).
First off, that's just two teams (Seattle and Minnesota). Seattle initially balked at paying him #1 receiver in the NFL money. That aside, they knew he was going to be asking for a top-5 type contract when they went after him, and that didn't stop them from going after him. They knew what his contract demands and yet rumors still popped up that they were dumping Housh to make room so they could afford VJax's demands. After all is said and done, I don't know whether Jackson will be the highest paid receiver in the NFL or not, but I do know he's going to be top 5. And, for all we know, Washington might be willing to pay that $50 million contract, but San Diego hasn't given them permission to talk to Jackson.
... plus the Chargers - who had the benefit of seeing him play and practice since he entered the league. So, his existing team and pretty much all of the teams with a need at WR1 balking at the price, including the Vikings who obviously have a desperate need without Rice and signed Javon effin Walker instead. Note that they're balking at the contract price, not the price that SD wants for him. Regardless of your evaluation of him on the field, I think you're really reaching when you use this to justify V-Jax as an elite WR. You're speculating that he will get the big contract even though teams have explicitly said they didn't trade for him because of his contract demands. Meanwhile, as I said, Marshall already has his deal.

If you really think that this is evidence of whether a WR is elite or not, then shouldn't that mean Marshall is above VJAx on your rankings?

 
Young 8 said:
I don't need to respond

His (and SSOG) hate versus Brandon Marshall is already "certified"

I hope he will prove them wrong (once again)
Brandon Marshall's career best season-ending fantasy rank: 9thBrandon Marshall's position in SSoG's current dynasty rankings: 8th

Yeah, that's some certified hate right there. :goodposting:

... plus the Chargers - who had the benefit of seeing him play and practice since he entered the league. So, his existing team and pretty much all of the teams with a need at WR1 balking at the price, including the Vikings who obviously have a desperate need without Rice and signed Javon effin Walker instead. Note that they're balking at the contract price, not the price that SD wants for him.

Regardless of your evaluation of him on the field, I think you're really reaching when you use this to justify V-Jax as an elite WR. You're speculating that he will get the big contract even though teams have explicitly said they didn't trade for him because of his contract demands. Meanwhile, as I said, Marshall already has his deal.

If you really think that this is evidence of whether a WR is elite or not, then shouldn't that mean Marshall is above VJAx on your rankings?
Jackson's agent made it clear he was looking for a top 5 contract. Teams still worked hard trying to get something in place to acquire Jackson. What, you think they had no clue he was going to ask for a huge contract? How naive do you think NFL front offices are? They're balking at the thought of paying him #1 in the NFL money, but obviously they have no compunction about giving him some sort of big-time contract, or they wouldn't even be talking to him.Look, it's still early. The arbiter still hasn't ruled about VJax's suspension. There's a lot of time for something to happen this season, and even if something doesn't happen this season, there's all next offseason. The next multi-year deal Vincent Jackson signs will rank him among the 5 highest paid receivers in the NFL. Guaranteed.

 
Young 8 said:
I don't need to respondHis (and SSOG) hate versus Brandon Marshall is already "certified"I hope he will prove them wrong (once again)
Brandon Marshall's career best season-ending fantasy rank: 9thBrandon Marshall's position in SSoG's current dynasty rankings: 8thYeah, that's some certified hate right there. :rolleyes:
What was VJax's best ever fantasy finish again? :)
 
Also, let's hear it for Chad Ochocinco for shutting up that whole "Robin to TO's Batman" nonsense. He's far and away the best receiver in Cincinnati.

 
What was VJax's best ever fantasy finish again? :)
Oh, I get it. I have Vincent Jackson ranked one spot above his best ever fantasy finish, and I'm a Vincent Jackson "lover". I have Brandon Marshall ranked one spot above his best ever fantasy finish, and I'm a Brandon Marshall "hater". Nice consistent logic, there.
 
He looked good today, but so did Slaton for a whole season. What did i just say that was wrong. I said he might have a good season this year, its his long term value that i dont like.Foster and Slatons siutation are very similar. If Foster is still starting and producing a year or two from now i will gladly admit that i was wrong.I do find it pretty funny that i can be wrong about Foster after one game, but you were not wrong about Slaton after he had a top 10 season.By the way, nice job of going back 10 pages to bump a post. Maybe i should dig out the Flacco vs. Warner debate from last year.
What's 10 pages here, a week? Why do you keep insisting on bringing up my track record with Slaton? You've been wrong at every turn in the Texans' backfield. Arian Foster is the guy. You missed the boat on the boat on him, and you're still standing on the shorelines acting like it hasn't even left the dock.
 
I have been offered Joe Flacco for Matt Schaub in my keeper league/start two QB league. I initially rejected it. I am in position to win this year and I think Schaub is a better bet this year. He could be better for several years. But he's older and has been injured in the past.

 
I have been offered Joe Flacco for Matt Schaub in my keeper league/start two QB league. I initially rejected it. I am in position to win this year and I think Schaub is a better bet this year. He could be better for several years. But he's older and has been injured in the past.
I love Flacco, but no way would i make that trade. Schaub isnt that old, especially for a QB. Dont let todays game affect your decision, the Texans are not going to get to play the Sandersless Colts all year. The Texans are still a passing team, and Schaub will still end up as a top 5-8 QB this year.
 
It's early, but it's looking like all that Williams/Roberts/Doucet stuff was for naught. Breaston doesn't look ready to give up the #2 job yet.

 
I have been offered Joe Flacco for Matt Schaub in my keeper league/start two QB league. I initially rejected it. I am in position to win this year and I think Schaub is a better bet this year. He could be better for several years. But he's older and has been injured in the past.
I love Flacco, but no way would i make that trade. Schaub isnt that old, especially for a QB. Dont let todays game affect your decision, the Texans are not going to get to play the Sandersless Colts all year. The Texans are still a passing team, and Schaub will still end up as a top 5-8 QB this year.
Oh, I know. Flacco isn't much behind him, though, but I think it's enough to turn the trade down. That might be a record for fewest passes attempted by Schaub in a full game, too.
 
It's early, but it's looking like all that Williams/Roberts/Doucet stuff was for naught. Breaston doesn't look ready to give up the #2 job yet.
:wub:Who said Breaston was going to be overtaken this year by any of them?? I'm in the firm camp the Cards will decline to pay him big $$ that he'll likely get on the market (with the in-house alternatives they have & holes elsewhere). I absolutely love the potential of Stephen Williams, but it's silly to believe he'll overtake a healthy Breaston this year.
 
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Miscellaneous observations and thoughts:

- Arian Foster. Obviously a huge day. I didn't watch the game, but I saw some highlights. It looked like the OL did a great job of opening up wide running lanes.

- Eddie Royal. Where are the haters now? IMO this kid is the new Derrick Mason and while it remains to be seen whether McDaniels will give him the sustained opportunity to shine, I believe (and have always believed) that Royal has the talent to achieve a long and productive career.

- Michael Crabtree. Uh oh. I've been a supporter this offseason, but there were some negative warning signs today. Firstly, Alex Smith still looks bad. He came out of the gates throwing ropes on the money, but the entire team collapsed after Seattle's first TD. Prior to that point the Niners had actually dominated the game. However, Smith struggled from that point on. That's bad news for Crabtree, as is the fact that Dominique Zeigler had to repeatedly correct Crabtree and remind him of the routes he was supposed to run before the play. Is Crabtree motivated to succeed? He has the talent to be a very effective possession WR, but he has to want it. After today I'm pretty concerned about his 2010 outlook.

- Calvin Johnson. If that great leaping catch had counted, this game would've been a perfect representation of Calvin Johnson the football player. Despite the massive hype, he still doesn't impact the game as consistently as guys like Reggie Wayne, Brandon Marshall, and Randy Moss. He disappears for long stretches of time and doesn't seem to offer much as a possession target. Maybe the Detroits QBs just didn't target him enough or maybe the coverage scheme for Chicago took him out of the game. Either way, he's looking very feast-or-famine, which is a scary thing for his FF prospects. The good news is that while he might not be a consistent "move the chains" target, he's absolutely elite as a deep threat. The would-be TD demonstrated what he can do when given the opportunity to make plays downfield.

- Jahvid Best. Made a few nice runs, but didn't have much room to work with. This is something to monitor because no amount of talent will allow him to become a consistent dominator if his OL doesn't get better results than they did today. On the other hand, he's a focal point of the offense and he'll continue to get a lot of touches. They split him out wide a few times today.

- Hines Ward. The old man can still get open and catch the ball. If you need a one year solution at WR, look no further. I watched this game while I was watching the DET/CHI game and he's the same old reliable Hines Ward.

- Johnny Knox and Devin Aromashodu. Clearly the top two targets for Chicago. Knox looks like the better player. Expect something of a breakout season.

- Matt Ryan. The last 1+ years have been hugely disappointing considering how well he performed as a rookie. He just doesn't look like he has taken the next step. At this point I'm wondering if he ever will.

- Rashard Mendenhall. Say whatever you want. Despite his addiction to the spin move, this guy is a good back and he's not going anywhere anytime soon. His combination of bulk, foot quickness, and straight line speed is very rare.

 
Miscellaneous observations and thoughts:- Arian Foster. Obviously a huge day. I didn't watch the game, but I saw some highlights. It looked like the OL did a great job of opening up wide running lanes. - Eddie Royal. Where are the haters now? IMO this kid is the new Derrick Mason and while it remains to be seen whether McDaniels will give him the sustained opportunity to shine, I believe (and have always believed) that Royal has the talent to achieve a long and productive career.- Michael Crabtree. Uh oh. I've been a supporter this offseason, but there were some negative warning signs today. Firstly, Alex Smith still looks bad. He came out of the gates throwing ropes on the money, but the entire team collapsed after Seattle's first TD. Prior to that point the Niners had actually dominated the game. However, Smith struggled from that point on. That's bad news for Crabtree, as is the fact that Dominique Zeigler had to repeatedly correct Crabtree and remind him of the routes he was supposed to run before the play. Is Crabtree motivated to succeed? He has the talent to be a very effective possession WR, but he has to want it. After today I'm pretty concerned about his 2010 outlook. - Calvin Johnson. If that great leaping catch had counted, this game would've been a perfect representation of Calvin Johnson the football player. Despite the massive hype, he still doesn't impact the game as consistently as guys like Reggie Wayne, Brandon Marshall, and Randy Moss. He disappears for long stretches of time and doesn't seem to offer much as a possession target. Maybe the Detroits QBs just didn't target him enough or maybe the coverage scheme for Chicago took him out of the game. Either way, he's looking very feast-or-famine, which is a scary thing for his FF prospects. The good news is that while he might not be a consistent "move the chains" target, he's absolutely elite as a deep threat. The would-be TD demonstrated what he can do when given the opportunity to make plays downfield. - Jahvid Best. Made a few nice runs, but didn't have much room to work with. This is something to monitor because no amount of talent will allow him to become a consistent dominator if his OL doesn't get better results than they did today. On the other hand, he's a focal point of the offense and he'll continue to get a lot of touches. They split him out wide a few times today. - Hines Ward. The old man can still get open and catch the ball. If you need a one year solution at WR, look no further. I watched this game while I was watching the DET/CHI game and he's the same old reliable Hines Ward.- Johnny Knox and Devin Aromashodu. Clearly the top two targets for Chicago. Knox looks like the better player. Expect something of a breakout season.- Matt Ryan. The last 1+ years have been hugely disappointing considering how well he performed as a rookie. He just doesn't look like he has taken the next step. At this point I'm wondering if he ever will. - Rashard Mendenhall. Say whatever you want. Despite his addiction to the spin move, this guy is a good back and he's not going anywhere anytime soon. His combination of bulk, foot quickness, and straight line speed is very rare.
Nice posting.I too am REALLY worried about Crabtree. Not worried about Ryan too much. At home, Pittsburgh was coming after him, and that defense is fired up. They know it's "on them" with Big Ben out. A motivated Pittsburgh is never easy to play against for a QB. He didn't play too bad actually, aside from the int. I'm not ready to toss him out just yet.Agree with all the rest though.
 
Not worried about Ryan too much. At home, Pittsburgh was coming after him, and that defense is fired up. They know it's "on them" with Big Ben out. A motivated Pittsburgh is never easy to play against for a QB. He didn't play too bad actually, aside from the int. I'm not ready to toss him out just yet.
Ryan isn't a terrible QB. At worst, he should kick around the league and have a Bulger/Delhomme/Hasselbeck type of career.However, I expected more from him. His rookie season was truly stellar. When a QB comes in and plays that well right away, I start to think he has special potential. Ryan hasn't looked special since his rookie year. He came in today against a beatable team and failed to lead a touchdown scoring drive. That's not good. No doubt Pittsburgh came to play, but that doesn't entirely excuse Ryan's failures. If you're an elite player, you should be able to impose your will on any opponent. The best QBs don't need excuses. They just get it done. Whereas I once viewed Ryan as a potential Peyton/Brady/Roeth, I'm starting to think he's closer to Eli/Hasselbeck/Delhomme. That's not the worst fate in the world, but it's disappointing if you were counting on him to be your long term QB1 (and I was/am in one of my leagues). At this point I would rather have Sam Bradford.
 
Miscellaneous observations and thoughts:- Arian Foster. Obviously a huge day. I didn't watch the game, but I saw some highlights. It looked like the OL did a great job of opening up wide running lanes. - Eddie Royal. Where are the haters now? IMO this kid is the new Derrick Mason and while it remains to be seen whether McDaniels will give him the sustained opportunity to shine, I believe (and have always believed) that Royal has the talent to achieve a long and productive career.- Michael Crabtree. Uh oh. I've been a supporter this offseason, but there were some negative warning signs today. Firstly, Alex Smith still looks bad. He came out of the gates throwing ropes on the money, but the entire team collapsed after Seattle's first TD. Prior to that point the Niners had actually dominated the game. However, Smith struggled from that point on. That's bad news for Crabtree, as is the fact that Dominique Zeigler had to repeatedly correct Crabtree and remind him of the routes he was supposed to run before the play. Is Crabtree motivated to succeed? He has the talent to be a very effective possession WR, but he has to want it. After today I'm pretty concerned about his 2010 outlook. - Calvin Johnson. If that great leaping catch had counted, this game would've been a perfect representation of Calvin Johnson the football player. Despite the massive hype, he still doesn't impact the game as consistently as guys like Reggie Wayne, Brandon Marshall, and Randy Moss. He disappears for long stretches of time and doesn't seem to offer much as a possession target. Maybe the Detroits QBs just didn't target him enough or maybe the coverage scheme for Chicago took him out of the game. Either way, he's looking very feast-or-famine, which is a scary thing for his FF prospects. The good news is that while he might not be a consistent "move the chains" target, he's absolutely elite as a deep threat. The would-be TD demonstrated what he can do when given the opportunity to make plays downfield. - Jahvid Best. Made a few nice runs, but didn't have much room to work with. This is something to monitor because no amount of talent will allow him to become a consistent dominator if his OL doesn't get better results than they did today. On the other hand, he's a focal point of the offense and he'll continue to get a lot of touches. They split him out wide a few times today. - Hines Ward. The old man can still get open and catch the ball. If you need a one year solution at WR, look no further. I watched this game while I was watching the DET/CHI game and he's the same old reliable Hines Ward.- Johnny Knox and Devin Aromashodu. Clearly the top two targets for Chicago. Knox looks like the better player. Expect something of a breakout season.- Matt Ryan. The last 1+ years have been hugely disappointing considering how well he performed as a rookie. He just doesn't look like he has taken the next step. At this point I'm wondering if he ever will. - Rashard Mendenhall. Say whatever you want. Despite his addiction to the spin move, this guy is a good back and he's not going anywhere anytime soon. His combination of bulk, foot quickness, and straight line speed is very rare.
:wub: Nice observations, EBF.
 
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Vince young too low IMO. He's gonna be around for awhile and has big upside. No clue who henne and sanchez are above him.
 
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Edit: I'll get to the RB, WR, and TE updates tonight or tomorrow. All rankings will be updated to reflect today's action in time for Tuesday waivers.
Vince young too low IMO. He's gonna be around for awhile and has big upside. No clue who henne and sanchez are above him.
Young is already 27 with four years of experience under his belt. Even at his very best, he's been a middling passer. I have to give him credit for sticking it out and becoming a serviceable pro QB, but I don't see a ton of upside given that:- He has shown virtually no signs of becoming a prolific passer.

- His receivers are still terrible.

- The Titans are definitely a run-first offense.

He's strictly a backup in FF leagues. Barring a sudden Brees-like ascension, it's hard to get too excited about his upside.

 
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Edit: I'll get to the RB, WR, and TE updates tonight or tomorrow. All rankings will be updated to reflect today's action in time for Tuesday waivers.
Vince young too low IMO. He's gonna be around for awhile and has big upside. No clue who henne and sanchez are above him.
I thought about Young a lot. I'm still a bit skittish about whether he's really putting it together as a passer, but I think I might just be having trouble getting past the whole crazy drama surrounding him in 2007. In the end, though, I don't think his upside is that great. I could see him becoming a consistent QB8-12 sort of guy, but he's never going to be a prolific passer, and he's not going to be able to match Vick's rushing production to overcome that, so I don't see any top-6 finishes in his future. I'm standing behind my current ranking of him, although I'm certainly open to the possibility of him changing my mind in coming weeks.
Bradford should be higher. At least over Mcnabb.
I love Bradford, but I've moved him as high as I comfortably can at the moment. If I was rebuilding, I'd trade McNabb for Bradford in a heartbeat, but for a playoff team, I think McNabb has more value.Bradford is my favorite QB prospect since Jay Cutler, and he's show a ton of reason for optimism in the preseason and in week 1, but the simple fact is that he's still a rookie, and he still plays for the Rams. I don't know how long it'll be before he's producing fantasy starter-caliber numbers. Matt Ryan showed way more than Bradford has shown so far, and we're still waiting for him to finish putting it together. I can't in good conscience rank him as a top-12 QB at this point, because I don't think any team should be relying on him as their fantasy QB1.

 
SSOG,

I don't think that ranking Bradford as a top 12 QB automatically means that a team is relying on him as a #1 QB. You still have VJ as a top 12 WR and no team is relying on him for this year. But the potential that VJ has in 2011 and moving forward keeps him in the top 12. I think the same holds true for Bradford. Part of the problem I see is that Bradford may have the worst collection of offensive talent of any rookie QB in the past 15 years. Give him a WR of Troy Brown's caliber and I think he could have a top 16 season this year. He made Mark Clayton look like an All-Pro today. I think his top 12 potential begins next year. As such, I don't see any problem in giving Bradford a ranking just below Flacco.

Of course, this is predicated on believing Bradford has the tools to top out at a Manning level and should attain a Cutler/Rivers level. Another person could easily feel his potential is of a Chad Pennington.

 
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Edit: I'll get to the RB, WR, and TE updates tonight or tomorrow. All rankings will be updated to reflect today's action in time for Tuesday waivers.
I was curious to your rankings of Max Hall vs. Nate Davis. I think one, if not both, get starting jobs by midseason and both maybe by the end of the season.You have Hall significantly higher and I know a lot of people - particularly 49ers fans - are anxious to see Davis play.

I will be looking to add one or the other in the next month or so in my keeper league.

 
SSOG,I don't think that ranking Bradford as a top 12 QB automatically means that a team is relying on him as a #1 QB. You still have VJ as a top 12 WR and no team is relying on him for this year. But the potential that VJ has in 2011 and moving forward keeps him in the top 12. I think the same holds true for Bradford. Part of the problem I see is that Bradford may have the worst collection of offensive talent of any rookie QB in the past 15 years. Give him a WR of Troy Brown's caliber and I think he could have a top 16 season this year. He made Mark Clayton look like an All-Pro today. I think his top 12 potential begins next year. As such, I don't see any problem in giving Bradford a ranking just below Flacco.Of course, this is predicated on believing Bradford has the tools to top out at a Manning level and should attain a Cutler/Rivers level. Another person could easily feel his potential is of a Chad Pennington.
When I said that "no team should be relying on him as their QB1", I didn't mean just for this season. I meant that, if I were a Bradford owner, I wouldn't be saying to myself "alright, I'm now set at QB, let's work on building the rest of my roster". I feel that way about VJax- I look at my teams with VJax and say "alright, that WR position locked down long term, all I need to do is acquire a stop-gap to cover until VJax is back and I'm good to go for the next 5 years". If I had, say, Favre and Bradford or Hasselbeck and Bradford (to give me a short term option to pair with Bradford's long-term upside), I would not be at all comfortable with my QB situation. I'd still be tinkering and toying and possibly looking to upgrade.
 
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Edit: I'll get to the RB, WR, and TE updates tonight or tomorrow. All rankings will be updated to reflect today's action in time for Tuesday waivers.
I was curious to your rankings of Max Hall vs. Nate Davis. I think one, if not both, get starting jobs by midseason and both maybe by the end of the season.You have Hall significantly higher and I know a lot of people - particularly 49ers fans - are anxious to see Davis play.

I will be looking to add one or the other in the next month or so in my keeper league.
I'd add Hall. Fitzgerald/Breaston/Doucet/Williams/Roberts/Hightower/Wells is a pretty flippin' sweet cadre of weapons to throw to- much better than Crabtree/Davis/Morgan/Gore/???, imo. Also, Hall has a huge advantage in that he's actually on someone's roster. Nate Davis is on the 49ers Practice Squad. If there's an injury ahead of him, they'll call him up, but ultimately the reason they put him on the Practice Squad is because the 49ers felt that (A) no other team would be interested enough in him to bother signing him away and (B) if he was signed away, they wouldn't be too broken up over it. The Cardinals didn't put Max Hall on the practice squad because they felt he would have been signed away in a heartbeat, and they couldn't possibly live with that risk.I've got Hall miles ahead of Davis in my rankings, and I stand behind that. I've got Davis behind scrubs like Sage Rosenfels, Tarvaris Jackson, Tyler Thigpen, Troy Smith, Mike Kafka, and Josh Johnson. I stand behind that, too.

 
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Edit: I'll get to the RB, WR, and TE updates tonight or tomorrow. All rankings will be updated to reflect today's action in time for Tuesday waivers.
I was curious to your rankings of Max Hall vs. Nate Davis. I think one, if not both, get starting jobs by midseason and both maybe by the end of the season.You have Hall significantly higher and I know a lot of people - particularly 49ers fans - are anxious to see Davis play.

I will be looking to add one or the other in the next month or so in my keeper league.
I'd add Hall. Fitzgerald/Breaston/Doucet/Williams/Roberts/Hightower/Wells is a pretty flippin' sweet cadre of weapons to throw to- much better than Crabtree/Davis/Morgan/Gore/???, imo. Also, Hall has a huge advantage in that he's actually on someone's roster. Nate Davis is on the 49ers Practice Squad. If there's an injury ahead of him, they'll call him up, but ultimately the reason they put him on the Practice Squad is because the 49ers felt that (A) no other team would be interested enough in him to bother signing him away and (B) if he was signed away, they wouldn't be too broken up over it. The Cardinals didn't put Max Hall on the practice squad because they felt he would have been signed away in a heartbeat, and they couldn't possibly live with that risk.I've got Hall miles ahead of Davis in my rankings, and I stand behind that. I've got Davis behind scrubs like Sage Rosenfels, Tarvaris Jackson, Tyler Thigpen, Troy Smith, Mike Kafka, and Josh Johnson. I stand behind that, too.
Awesome. Thanks.
 
Awesome. Thanks.
FWIW, if you're looking for a waiver wire QB, I've got Vick ahead of both of them. Last year he was rusty and didn't look like himself, so I was skeptical about how strong he could return from his incarceration. Those questions have all been answered, because he's vintage Vick again. He'll be starting for someone next year. It's possible he'll even be starting for someone this year. The nice thing about Vick, too, is that he's already been there, done that. He finished 3rd, 11th, 12th, and 3rd in the four seasons he played more than 6 games in Atlanta. We don't have to speculate whether his game translates, or about what his upside is, because he's already demonstrated it. I think there's a fantastic chance that he's performing as a fantasy QB1 next season. There's some risk involved, sure, but for a guy who is widely available on waivers in dynasty leagues, the risks are minimal.
 
He looked good today, but so did Slaton for a whole season. What did i just say that was wrong. I said he might have a good season this year, its his long term value that i dont like.Foster and Slatons siutation are very similar. If Foster is still starting and producing a year or two from now i will gladly admit that i was wrong.I do find it pretty funny that i can be wrong about Foster after one game, but you were not wrong about Slaton after he had a top 10 season.By the way, nice job of going back 10 pages to bump a post. Maybe i should dig out the Flacco vs. Warner debate from last year.
What's 10 pages here, a week? Why do you keep insisting on bringing up my track record with Slaton? You've been wrong at every turn in the Texans' backfield. Arian Foster is the guy. You missed the boat on the boat on him, and you're still standing on the shorelines acting like it hasn't even left the dock.
Your bumping a post where i said Foster may have a good season, but i dont think he is more than a short term fix. So how was i wrong?The only reason i bring up Slatons name is because he and Foster are both Texans RB's who won the job by default, and will have good seasons due to a great situation. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.I do think Foster is a great trade now in dynasty leagues....in most cases. I bet you could find some Spiller owners who would be willing to give him to you straight up for Foster.
 
He looked good today, but so did Slaton for a whole season. What did i just say that was wrong. I said he might have a good season this year, its his long term value that i dont like.Foster and Slatons siutation are very similar. If Foster is still starting and producing a year or two from now i will gladly admit that i was wrong.I do find it pretty funny that i can be wrong about Foster after one game, but you were not wrong about Slaton after he had a top 10 season.By the way, nice job of going back 10 pages to bump a post. Maybe i should dig out the Flacco vs. Warner debate from last year.
What's 10 pages here, a week? Why do you keep insisting on bringing up my track record with Slaton? You've been wrong at every turn in the Texans' backfield. Arian Foster is the guy. You missed the boat on the boat on him, and you're still standing on the shorelines acting like it hasn't even left the dock.
Your bumping a post where i said Foster may have a good season, but i dont think he is more than a short term fix. So how was i wrong?The only reason i bring up Slatons name is because he and Foster are both Texans RB's who won the job by default, and will have good seasons due to a great situation. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.I do think Foster is a great trade now in dynasty leagues....in most cases. I bet you could find some Spiller owners who would be willing to give him to you straight up for Foster.
Trading Foster would be the dumbest move in Dynasty. He is CLEARLY entrenched and a stud.
 
I think the Max Hall era comes very soon. I watched much of the Cardinals game and Anderson looked terrible. I was amazed at the stats he had when the game ended. Fitzgerald was visibly frustrated with Anderson, though he is too classy to show it publicly or to call Anderson out. You could tell by his body language though.

 
Trading Foster would be the dumbest move in Dynasty. He is CLEARLY entrenched and a stud.
:goodposting:I like Foster, and I certainly don't think you deal him for peanuts, but entrenched and Kubiak don't tend to go hand-in-hand, and we've seen non-studs throw up 200+ in the past ( How many carries did Jerome Harrison get yesterday? ) Maybe he does turn into an uber-elite back, but I think its more likely that long-term he rounds off in the Pierre Thomas, Ryan Grant group. If that's the case, a 231/3 day is a golden opportunity to move him for something better. Lots of concerned Jon Stewart owners right now, I'd imagine. Maybe use Foster and a piece to get to MJD or Rice? Or possibly get the Beanie owner to give something decent over top for Foster?I'm not saying throw him away, but this guy feels like a top 10-15 runner when all is said and done, so I'd definitely consider cashing in for the right offer.
 
He looked good today, but so did Slaton for a whole season. What did i just say that was wrong. I said he might have a good season this year, its his long term value that i dont like.Foster and Slatons siutation are very similar. If Foster is still starting and producing a year or two from now i will gladly admit that i was wrong.I do find it pretty funny that i can be wrong about Foster after one game, but you were not wrong about Slaton after he had a top 10 season.By the way, nice job of going back 10 pages to bump a post. Maybe i should dig out the Flacco vs. Warner debate from last year.
What's 10 pages here, a week? Why do you keep insisting on bringing up my track record with Slaton? You've been wrong at every turn in the Texans' backfield. Arian Foster is the guy. You missed the boat on the boat on him, and you're still standing on the shorelines acting like it hasn't even left the dock.
Your bumping a post where i said Foster may have a good season, but i dont think he is more than a short term fix. So how was i wrong?The only reason i bring up Slatons name is because he and Foster are both Texans RB's who won the job by default, and will have good seasons due to a great situation. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.I do think Foster is a great trade now in dynasty leagues....in most cases. I bet you could find some Spiller owners who would be willing to give him to you straight up for Foster.
Trading Foster would be the dumbest move in Dynasty. He is CLEARLY entrenched and a stud.
Thats what people said about Slaton during his first season. Barring injury, Foster will likely have a good year, but thats more due to situation than talent. When it comes to dynasty leagues, talent is far more important.I think it is a bit early to call him a stud. One good game against a Sanderless Colts does not mean your a stud.
 

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