Dynasty Rankings (9 Viewers)

[Bronx Bomber]

How are you guys approaching Javid Best, high risk/high reward RB3/4 or avoid all together?

 

[EBF]

I wouldn't trade for Best, but I wouldn't trade him if I had him either.

Hold and hope he can stay healthy for an extended period of time.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

I wouldn't trade for Best, but I wouldn't trade him if I had him either. Hold and hope he can stay healthy for an extended period of time.

Would you draft him in a startup as a flex/ RB3? Or seek healthier options?

 

[EBF]

I wouldn't trade for Best, but I wouldn't trade him if I had him either. Hold and hope he can stay healthy for an extended period of time.

Would you draft him in a startup as a flex/ RB3? Or seek healthier options?

No, that's too high IMO. He can't be trusted at this point.

 

[EBF]

Here's a good example of message board reality vs. actual reality:

In the last 24 hours I've offered Fitzgerald to the Dez owner and then later to the Blackmon owner in one of my PPR dynasty leagues. These offers weren't quite straight up 1-for-1 swaps, but they were pretty close, with me asking for a little bit of value on the other end to help balance the deal.

Both owners said no and neither expressed much interest in a straight swap. I'd be willing to bet that Fitzgerald would be ranked higher than Bryant or Blackmon on most dynasty rankings, but when push comes to shove people don't make these deals.

Fitzgerald is 28 with 6 career 1000 yard seasons, including 4 of 1400+ yards. Bryant has never had a 1000+ yard season and Blackmon hasn't even played a down in the NFL. I understand the high valuation placed on those players. After all, I was trying to trade for them. But still, the premium placed on youth and potential is just insane.

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

Here's a good example of message board reality vs. actual reality:In the last 24 hours I've offered Fitzgerald to the Dez owner and then later to the Blackmon owner in one of my PPR dynasty leagues. These offers weren't quite straight up 1-for-1 swaps, but they were pretty close, with me asking for a little bit of value on the other end to help balance the deal. Both owners said no and neither expressed much interest in a straight swap. I'd be willing to bet that Fitzgerald would be ranked higher than Bryant or Blackmon on most dynasty rankings, but when push comes to shove people don't make these deals. Fitzgerald is 28 with 6 career 1000 yard seasons, including 4 of 1400+ yards. Bryant has never had a 1000+ yard season and Blackmon hasn't even played a down in the NFL. I understand the high valuation placed on those players. After all, I was trying to trade for them. But still, the premium placed on youth and potential is just insane.

I agree.It's because obody wants to be "that guy" who traded away 2007 Calvin Johnson or 2011 Cam Newton.They view their rookie assets as if they have already reached max potential, which they will not in most cases.I'll admit, I might be guilty of this.As someone who will very soon be picking Trent Richardson (barring some bizarre scenario), there's a veerrry short list of players I would trade him for straight up.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Here's a good example of message board reality vs. actual reality:In the last 24 hours I've offered Fitzgerald to the Dez owner and then later to the Blackmon owner in one of my PPR dynasty leagues. These offers weren't quite straight up 1-for-1 swaps, but they were pretty close, with me asking for a little bit of value on the other end to help balance the deal. Both owners said no and neither expressed much interest in a straight swap. I'd be willing to bet that Fitzgerald would be ranked higher than Bryant or Blackmon on most dynasty rankings, but when push comes to shove people don't make these deals. Fitzgerald is 28 with 6 career 1000 yard seasons, including 4 of 1400+ yards. Bryant has never had a 1000+ yard season and Blackmon hasn't even played a down in the NFL. I understand the high valuation placed on those players. After all, I was trying to trade for them. But still, the premium placed on youth and potential is just insane.

I agree.It's because obody wants to be "that guy" who traded away 2007 Calvin Johnson or 2011 Cam Newton.They view their rookie assets as if they have already reached max potential, which they will not in most cases.I'll admit, I might be guilty of this.As someone who will very soon be picking Trent Richardson (barring some bizarre scenario), there's a veerrry short list of players I would trade him for straight up.

I drafted Dez in his rookie season and I've held him all this time - so clearly I believe in him. But I'd trade him for Fitz in a heartbeat.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Here's a good example of message board reality vs. actual reality:In the last 24 hours I've offered Fitzgerald to the Dez owner and then later to the Blackmon owner in one of my PPR dynasty leagues. These offers weren't quite straight up 1-for-1 swaps, but they were pretty close, with me asking for a little bit of value on the other end to help balance the deal. Both owners said no and neither expressed much interest in a straight swap. I'd be willing to bet that Fitzgerald would be ranked higher than Bryant or Blackmon on most dynasty rankings, but when push comes to shove people don't make these deals. Fitzgerald is 28 with 6 career 1000 yard seasons, including 4 of 1400+ yards. Bryant has never had a 1000+ yard season and Blackmon hasn't even played a down in the NFL. I understand the high valuation placed on those players. After all, I was trying to trade for them. But still, the premium placed on youth and potential is just insane.

some people play to win every year, some people play for pretty rosters and "Oh just wait till next year"

 

[thriftyrocker]

I wouldn't trade for Best, but I wouldn't trade him if I had him either. Hold and hope he can stay healthy for an extended period of time.

Would you draft him in a startup as a flex/ RB3? Or seek healthier options?

No, that's too high IMO. He can't be trusted at this point.

He's definitely still a RB3 (top 36 rbs). Whether you draft him as that in a startup is up to your strategy. If you go QB/WR/TE heavy early and backload your roster with a high volume of RB upside plays, he's a great pick. If there's going to be a gap before you pick RB4 and 5, then maybe not the Best choice.

 

[jonboltz]

some people play to win every year, some people play for pretty rosters and "Oh just wait till next year"

This. And it is very helpful for those owners that like money and winning.

 

[squistion]

Here's a good example of message board reality vs. actual reality:

In the last 24 hours I've offered Fitzgerald to the Dez owner and then later to the Blackmon owner in one of my PPR dynasty leagues. These offers weren't quite straight up 1-for-1 swaps, but they were pretty close, with me asking for a little bit of value on the other end to help balance the deal.

Both owners said no and neither expressed much interest in a straight swap. I'd be willing to bet that Fitzgerald would be ranked higher than Bryant or Blackmon on most dynasty rankings, but when push comes to shove people don't make these deals.

Fitzgerald is 28 with 6 career 1000 yard seasons, including 4 of 1400+ yards. Bryant has never had a 1000+ yard season and Blackmon hasn't even played a down in the NFL. I understand the high valuation placed on those players. After all, I was trying to trade for them. But still, the premium placed on youth and potential is just insane.

Says the guy who ranks Richardson as RB #3 and would only trade him for McCoy or Rice. There are few rankings out that include 2012 rookies, but I don't think one would find many that have Richardson penciled in at RB #3, although I could be wrong - and IMO that is placing too much value on his youth and potential.And this is just two leagues, which is a small sample size to declare these non-trades indicative of message board reality versus actual reality. Look at the off-season dynasty trade thread, several of the recemt trades there are head scratching. I view a lot of those as reflecting the reality for those leagues only - not something to necessarily draw definitive conclusions on as to a player's actual trade worth in most leagues.

That said, I am surprised these trade offers weren't accepted. As a Dez owner, I would have unhesitatingly done a straight up trade for Fitzgerald. I also have the 1.03 pick in one league, and assuming I knew Blackmon would fall to me (which is possible since it is an extremely QB friendly league) I would have quickly accepted that trade too.

 

[az_prof]

Here's a good example of message board reality vs. actual reality:In the last 24 hours I've offered Fitzgerald to the Dez owner and then later to the Blackmon owner in one of my PPR dynasty leagues. These offers weren't quite straight up 1-for-1 swaps, but they were pretty close, with me asking for a little bit of value on the other end to help balance the deal. Both owners said no and neither expressed much interest in a straight swap. I'd be willing to bet that Fitzgerald would be ranked higher than Bryant or Blackmon on most dynasty rankings, but when push comes to shove people don't make these deals. Fitzgerald is 28 with 6 career 1000 yard seasons, including 4 of 1400+ yards. Bryant has never had a 1000+ yard season and Blackmon hasn't even played a down in the NFL. I understand the high valuation placed on those players. After all, I was trying to trade for them. But still, the premium placed on youth and potential is just insane.

Gotta agree. They were crazy to turn the offer down. Fitz has at least 6 years of top performance left and he has demonstrated consistency. You can count on him. Dez and Blackmon? They could be the next Roy Williams or Braylon Edwards. Just because a guy is young and has good physicals doesn't mean he will be a consistent fantasy star.

 

[SayWhat?]

Here's a good example of message board reality vs. actual reality:In the last 24 hours I've offered Fitzgerald to the Dez owner and then later to the Blackmon owner in one of my PPR dynasty leagues. These offers weren't quite straight up 1-for-1 swaps, but they were pretty close, with me asking for a little bit of value on the other end to help balance the deal. Both owners said no and neither expressed much interest in a straight swap.

If you don't mind me asking, what was the "little bit of value" that you asked for? If it truly was "little value," like a mid second round rookie pick, then I'd likely agree with you. But I'm curious what you consider little value in an offer like that.

 

[EBF]

Here's a good example of message board reality vs. actual reality:In the last 24 hours I've offered Fitzgerald to the Dez owner and then later to the Blackmon owner in one of my PPR dynasty leagues. These offers weren't quite straight up 1-for-1 swaps, but they were pretty close, with me asking for a little bit of value on the other end to help balance the deal. Both owners said no and neither expressed much interest in a straight swap.

If you don't mind me asking, what was the "little bit of value" that you asked for? If it truly was "little value," like a mid second round rookie pick, then I'd likely agree with you. But I'm curious what you consider little value in an offer like that.

Most recent offer was Fitz and the 1.14 rookie pick for Blackmon and the 1.02. Bear in mind that this league features developmental players, so Luck/Richardson/Floyd/Blackmon/Wilson/Martin/Jeffery are all out of the rookie pool already. The best options on the board are Lamar Miller, Robert Griffin, and Kendall Wright. So the 1.02 is really more like a mid first round pick in a regular league, like the 1.06 or 1.07. The Dez offer was more lopsided, but after it was rejected I asked the Dez owner what he might be willing to add to Dez to get Fitz and he basically said no thanks. I'm not saying my offers were great, but the interest was lukewarm and nobody bothered to make a counter offer. It reminds me of a few years ago when I was trying to trade Randy Moss after a big season. Lots of people had him ranked as a top 5 dynasty WR, but when push came to shove, you couldn't get anywhere near that value for him.In this case my league mates are probably doing me a favor, as Fitz has the type of rare talent and work ethic to potentially remain prolific into his 30s. At this point I think I'm just going to keep him and play him until he retires.

 

[SayWhat?]

Here's a good example of message board reality vs. actual reality:In the last 24 hours I've offered Fitzgerald to the Dez owner and then later to the Blackmon owner in one of my PPR dynasty leagues. These offers weren't quite straight up 1-for-1 swaps, but they were pretty close, with me asking for a little bit of value on the other end to help balance the deal. Both owners said no and neither expressed much interest in a straight swap.

If you don't mind me asking, what was the "little bit of value" that you asked for? If it truly was "little value," like a mid second round rookie pick, then I'd likely agree with you. But I'm curious what you consider little value in an offer like that.

Most recent offer was Fitz and the 1.14 rookie pick for Blackmon and the 1.02. Bear in mind that this league features developmental players, so Luck/Richardson/Floyd/Blackmon/Wilson/Martin/Jeffery are all out of the rookie pool already. The best options on the board are Lamar Miller, Robert Griffin, and Kendall Wright. So the 1.02 is really more like a mid first round pick in a regular league, like the 1.06 or 1.07. The Dez offer was more lopsided, but after it was rejected I asked the Dez owner what he might be willing to add to Dez to get Fitz and he basically said no thanks. I'm not saying my offers were great, but the interest was lukewarm and nobody bothered to make a counter offer. It reminds me of a few years ago when I was trying to trade Randy Moss after a big season. Lots of people had him ranked as a top 5 dynasty WR, but when push came to shove, you couldn't get anywhere near that value for him.In this case my league mates are probably doing me a favor, as Fitz has the type of rare talent and work ethic to potentially remain prolific into his 30s. At this point I think I'm just going to keep him and play him until he retires.

I guess my point in asking was to assess what your view of "little value" was. I don't necessarily think a mid-1st round rookie like Miller, RGIII, or Wright compared to basically the 20th ranked rookie is little value, especially if we're talking a ppr league. So if your offer of Fitz for Dez had more coming back to you than that type of value, I can see why your offers were rebuffed. Unless those owners have deep teams and feel like they're one consistent wideout (Fitzgerald) away from truly contending, there's more upside in gambling on Dez or Blackmon and whatever other assets they could hold onto than moving them to acquire Fitzgerald. Barring of course a significant injury, as you said there's not a lot of downside in owning Fitzgerald for the next 6+ years.

 

[EBF]

No doubt. I'm not surprised that the initial offers were knocked back. More surprised that there were no counters and no real interest shown in a straight up swap.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Here's a good example of message board reality vs. actual reality:In the last 24 hours I've offered Fitzgerald to the Dez owner and then later to the Blackmon owner in one of my PPR dynasty leagues. These offers weren't quite straight up 1-for-1 swaps, but they were pretty close, with me asking for a little bit of value on the other end to help balance the deal. Both owners said no and neither expressed much interest in a straight swap. I'd be willing to bet that Fitzgerald would be ranked higher than Bryant or Blackmon on most dynasty rankings, but when push comes to shove people don't make these deals. Fitzgerald is 28 with 6 career 1000 yard seasons, including 4 of 1400+ yards. Bryant has never had a 1000+ yard season and Blackmon hasn't even played a down in the NFL. I understand the high valuation placed on those players. After all, I was trying to trade for them. But still, the premium placed on youth and potential is just insane.

I agree.It's because obody wants to be "that guy" who traded away 2007 Calvin Johnson or 2011 Cam Newton.They view their rookie assets as if they have already reached max potential, which they will not in most cases.I'll admit, I might be guilty of this.As someone who will very soon be picking Trent Richardson (barring some bizarre scenario), there's a veerrry short list of players I would trade him for straight up.

I drafted Dez in his rookie season and I've held him all this time - so clearly I believe in him. But I'd trade him for Fitz in a heartbeat.

Same here. Without a doubt.

 

[Donsmith753]

One guy I'm having a lot of difficulty ranking/valuing is Antonio Gates. 2nd half of last season he was superb and in my league was the #3 TE. He's getting older though and the risk of his foot flaring up is a concern.

Just curious how others are valuing him and what sort of thing they'd be looking for for him in trades.

 

[pghrob]

I am interested in people's opinion of Denarius Moore and their comparative valuation of him on the 2012 rookie market in terms of draft position.

Let's put it in the context of a 12 team PPR. I would think his value is not as high as the hysteria that surrounded him during training camp and up into week 2 of the regular season. But based on what he showed after the 2011 NFL draft and after many rookie drafts that had him often selected as a 3rd rookie pick, I would think his status has him easily as a day 1 rookie pick for 2012.

Last year, guys like Jerome Simpson were 1st round picks in leagues where free-agents were included in rookie drafts. I would have to think Denarius Mooore is right along those lines this year.

The Raiders WR corp and offense is a big question mark headed into 2012. So with all that happened since his "coming out party" after being drafted, I would appreciate updated perspectives on his outlook and valuation.

I am guessing the Raiders go with DHB, Moore, and Ford as their 1,2,3 next year.

 

[squistion]

I am interested in people's opinion of Denarius Moore and their comparative valuation of him on the 2012 rookie market in terms of draft position.Let's put it in the context of a 12 team PPR. I would think his value is not as high as the hysteria that surrounded him during training camp and up into week 2 of the regular season. But based on what he showed after the 2011 NFL draft and after many rookie drafts that had him often selected as a 3rd rookie pick, I would think his status has him easily as a day 1 rookie pick for 2012.Last year, guys like Jerome Simpson were 1st round picks in leagues where free-agents were included in rookie drafts. I would have to think Denarius Mooore is right along those lines this year. The Raiders WR corp and offense is a big question mark headed into 2012. So with all that happened since his "coming out party" after being drafted, I would appreciate updated perspectives on his outlook and valuation.I am guessing the Raiders go with DHB, Moore, and Ford as their 1,2,3 next year.

Ist round? Definitely, but where exactly is the question. So many variables in the mix here: new coach and probable new offensive scheme, pecking order of the WRs, rapport with Carson Palmer (seemed good from what little I saw), free agency (probably irrelevant but in the post Al Davis era, who knows?). Trying to figure out a 1st round value before the NFL draft is difficult for me. Usually the first five picks are the highest profile RBs and WRs, perhaps a QB this year with Luck. Unless one is particularly enamored with Moore's prospects, I would guess 1.07 to 1.09 value, I am in two leagues with 1.11 but I don't see getting him for that. Right now I think I would give 1.08 which might go as high as 1.06 after the dust settles from free agency and the draft.

 

[joey]

Fwiw, I trade D Moore, Flynn, J Ford and my 1.10 for the 1.01.

(This was right after Flynn went off in week 17, btw)

But I think D Moore was the main reason that trade went through (as well as the fact the the other team didn't have enough keeper quality players on his roster IMO, so quantity over the chance at T Richardson was definitely in his interest)

I hated giving up D Moore after only one year and having drafted him in the 3rd round of our rookie/FA draft (12 team, keep 12, non-ppr). Dude looks to have serious skills and speed (raider fan and watched every game) but I'll tree that potential for the best RB in the 2012 draft).

 

[thriftyrocker]

One guy I'm having a lot of difficulty ranking/valuing is Antonio Gates. 2nd half of last season he was superb and in my league was the #3 TE. He's getting older though and the risk of his foot flaring up is a concern.Just curious how others are valuing him and what sort of thing they'd be looking for for him in trades.

Rebuilders would probably take a lower tier younger TE (Cook, Gresham) plus a late 1st. And I think he's worth that price for the right team. You probably have to put Finley and Hernandez ahead of him due to age and upside, but I would prefer 2-4 years of Gates to the remaining career of Davises, Gresham, Pettigrew, etc.

 

[Donsmith753]

One guy I'm having a lot of difficulty ranking/valuing is Antonio Gates. 2nd half of last season he was superb and in my league was the #3 TE. He's getting older though and the risk of his foot flaring up is a concern.

Just curious how others are valuing him and what sort of thing they'd be looking for for him in trades.

Rebuilders would probably take a lower tier younger TE (Cook, Gresham) plus a late 1st. And I think he's worth that price for the right team. You probably have to put Finley and Hernandez ahead of him due to age and upside, but I would prefer 2-4 years of Gates to the remaining career of Davises, Gresham, Pettigrew, etc.

This is pretty much how I see it too. You don't want to look too far into the future and Gates isn't that old.I'd be shocked if you could actually get that for him though because of the perceived injury issues. With the offers I've received I'd rather just hold onto him as he represents great value as a flex.

 

[az_prof]

One guy I'm having a lot of difficulty ranking/valuing is Antonio Gates. 2nd half of last season he was superb and in my league was the #3 TE. He's getting older though and the risk of his foot flaring up is a concern.Just curious how others are valuing him and what sort of thing they'd be looking for for him in trades.

Rebuilders would probably take a lower tier younger TE (Cook, Gresham) plus a late 1st. And I think he's worth that price for the right team. You probably have to put Finley and Hernandez ahead of him due to age and upside, but I would prefer 2-4 years of Gates to the remaining career of Davises, Gresham, Pettigrew, etc.

I drafted Gates in a dynasty start up six years ago. I would rather have Vernon Davis and Gronk and Jimmy Graham. His per game scoring was very close to Hernandez, but I could see people preferring Hernandez. I like Hernandez, but I suspect he will be the TE to leave NE when his contract expires and then his numbers will go down IMO. Gates improved as his foot improved. He should have another 2-3 years of top 4 TE production.

 

[Concept Coop]

One guy I'm having a lot of difficulty ranking/valuing is Antonio Gates. 2nd half of last season he was superb and in my league was the #3 TE. He's getting older though and the risk of his foot flaring up is a concern.Just curious how others are valuing him and what sort of thing they'd be looking for for him in trades.

Rebuilders would probably take a lower tier younger TE (Cook, Gresham) plus a late 1st. And I think he's worth that price for the right team. You probably have to put Finley and Hernandez ahead of him due to age and upside, but I would prefer 2-4 years of Gates to the remaining career of Davises, Gresham, Pettigrew, etc.

I drafted Gates in a dynasty start up six years ago. I would rather have Vernon Davis and Gronk and Jimmy Graham. His per game scoring was very close to Hernandez, but I could see people preferring Hernandez. I like Hernandez, but I suspect he will be the TE to leave NE when his contract expires and then his numbers will go down IMO. Gates improved as his foot improved. He should have another 2-3 years of top 4 TE production.

Why do you think Aaron's numbers would drop outside of NE? I think a team paying Hernandez (and they will have to open the checkbook) would be foolish not to use him at least as much as the Patriots do. I am high on Hernandez, so take that for what it's worth, but I think he is on par with Jimmy Graham. Meaning, if he were to swap places with Graham, he would put up Graham numbers. Also, I don't think New England lets Hernandez walk. He is quickly becoming part of the 3-headed monster, with Gronk and Welker, and his targets have been right on par with the other two recently. Couple that with NE even using him as a RB, and I think they realize what they have: a unique weapon and mismatch.

 

[Concept Coop]

Last call for those interested in a league comprised mostly of contributers to this thread: EBF, Herm23, Dexter, Moderated, wiscstlatlmia, renesauz, Kirtrick Taylor, Concept Coop, and other great owners.

Need 2. Thanks.

Details:

http://forums.footba...howtopic=631120

 

[solorca]

Relatively new to dynasty, and I'm interested in the thoughts on how to pick QB's in a start-up draft. I already grabbed Drew Brees and Philip Rivers early (can start 2), but how do you determine the other guys to pick for backup spots. Do you just take a shot on promising backups...if so, who do you guys see as making an impact?

All of the other positions make sense to me, but QB seems to be tough because you typically play your top guy or two and the rest just sit on your bench.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Relatively new to dynasty, and I'm interested in the thoughts on how to pick QB's in a start-up draft. I already grabbed Drew Brees and Philip Rivers early (can start 2), but how do you determine the other guys to pick for backup spots. Do you just take a shot on promising backups...if so, who do you guys see as making an impact?All of the other positions make sense to me, but QB seems to be tough because you typically play your top guy or two and the rest just sit on your bench.

Superflex is a different animal than 1QB leagues. Any long term starter has high trade value. For example, guys like Andy Dalton and Joe Flacco could be undervalued in a startup like this. I would have no problem picking up a 3rd QB before filling out my lineup. The promising backups are Flynn, Locker, Kaepernick, Mallet, Webb, Yates, Skelton (most of these are obvious I'm sure) and it makes more sense to wait on guys like that in a league like this because the reward is so much higher.

 

[solorca]

Relatively new to dynasty, and I'm interested in the thoughts on how to pick QB's in a start-up draft. I already grabbed Drew Brees and Philip Rivers early (can start 2), but how do you determine the other guys to pick for backup spots. Do you just take a shot on promising backups...if so, who do you guys see as making an impact?All of the other positions make sense to me, but QB seems to be tough because you typically play your top guy or two and the rest just sit on your bench.

Superflex is a different animal than 1QB leagues. Any long term starter has high trade value. For example, guys like Andy Dalton and Joe Flacco could be undervalued in a startup like this. I would have no problem picking up a 3rd QB before filling out my lineup. The promising backups are Flynn, Locker, Kaepernick, Mallet, Webb, Yates, Skelton (most of these are obvious I'm sure) and it makes more sense to wait on guys like that in a league like this because the reward is so much higher.

Thanks for the thoughts. Right now, the best players available are Kyle Orton, Skelton, Mallett, Kaepernick, Campbell, Josh Johnson, etc. Flynn and Webb are taken already.I have another pick coming up in about 12 spots and was thinking about going with Orton...but since I have Brees and Rivers already, maybe Skelton, Mallett, or Kaepernick is the better option for a league of this type?Edit: Decided to go with Kaepernick. I can taxi squad him this year if needed, so no harm/no foul if he doesn't get a shot to perform.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Edit: Decided to go with Kaepernick. I can taxi squad him this year if needed, so no harm/no foul if he doesn't get a shot to perform.

 

[Concept Coop]

Edit: Decided to go with Kaepernick. I can taxi squad him this year if needed, so no harm/no foul if he doesn't get a shot to perform.

Agree. Solid pick.Collin offers the potential to add 4-6 points a game on the ground. I do think you will have to wait for a year, at least. But, in a start 2(SFlex) his value warrants that.

 

[Andrew74]

Anyone have thoughts on McFadden's value from a draft pick perspective? He is very talented but has serious injury issues. Now the rumors of a trade. He seems very boom/bust, and I am not sure what is fair value.

 

[solorca]

So who do you guys think are the good sleeper RB's to keep an eye on? I'm currently at pick 23 out of 36 and feel like I need to add another RB or two, but the choices appear very weak. WR's seem easy with plenty of upside guys, but at RB the best I'm seeing are people like Da'rel Scott, Chris Ivory, BJGE, Dion Lewis, Rashad Jennings, etc. When I look at guys like that, I'm not seeing a ton of upside, but maybe I'm missing something. Are there other guys out there that people are expecting a lot from, that can be had late?

Right now I have McCoy, Lynch, Michael Bush, Ryan Williams, Peyton Hillis, and Kevin Smith...but I would think in a league of 36, you should have more than six backs.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Da'Rel Scott would be my choice from those backs. I'd also snag Lewis, as you are the McCoy owner. If you don't, someone soon will with the intention of flipping him to you.

 

[solorca]

Da'Rel Scott would be my choice from those backs. I'd also snag Lewis, as you are the McCoy owner. If you don't, someone soon will with the intention of flipping him to you.

I've been looking at Dion Lewis for the last few rounds, so he's probably someone I will look to grab. Royster is also a possibility. I just don't know how much potential I see in the remaining running backs.

 

[Andrew74]

So who do you guys think are the good sleeper RB's to keep an eye on? I'm currently at pick 23 out of 36 and feel like I need to add another RB or two, but the choices appear very weak. WR's seem easy with plenty of upside guys, but at RB the best I'm seeing are people like Da'rel Scott, Chris Ivory, BJGE, Dion Lewis, Rashad Jennings, etc. When I look at guys like that, I'm not seeing a ton of upside, but maybe I'm missing something. Are there other guys out there that people are expecting a lot from, that can be had late?Right now I have McCoy, Lynch, Michael Bush, Ryan Williams, Peyton Hillis, and Kevin Smith...but I would think in a league of 36, you should have more than six backs.

Anything to see with Jennings? i believe 2012 is his last year of his contract, but he'll be 28 at that point. Seems to have the ability to be productive, but I am starting to write him off as just a MJD insurance contract.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

Da'Rel Scott would be my choice from those backs. I'd also snag Lewis, as you are the McCoy owner. If you don't, someone soon will with the intention of flipping him to you.

I've been looking at Dion Lewis for the last few rounds, so he's probably someone I will look to grab. Royster is also a possibility. I just don't know how much potential I see in the remaining running backs.

Royster is a good flyer.Shane Vereen if he is still available. He flashed a bit in mop-up duty, but 2011 was basically a medical redshirt for him.

 

[The Comedian]

So who do you guys think are the good sleeper RB's to keep an eye on? I'm currently at pick 23 out of 36 and feel like I need to add another RB or two, but the choices appear very weak. WR's seem easy with plenty of upside guys, but at RB the best I'm seeing are people like Da'rel Scott, Chris Ivory, BJGE, Dion Lewis, Rashad Jennings, etc. When I look at guys like that, I'm not seeing a ton of upside, but maybe I'm missing something. Are there other guys out there that people are expecting a lot from, that can be had late?Right now I have McCoy, Lynch, Michael Bush, Ryan Williams, Peyton Hillis, and Kevin Smith...but I would think in a league of 36, you should have more than six backs.

BJGE does not belong with the others in this list.

 

[jeter23]

Shameless plug here...I commish the HyperActive leagues and we have a few openings. In most cases, we will be doing disbursal drafts if multiple teams are open. Many of the most active FBGs are in these leagues, along with a number of staff members (Bloom, Pasquino, Tefertiller, Waldman, Garda etc) If interested, just send me a PM.

 

[Sebowski]

Last call for those interested in a league comprised mostly of contributers to this thread: EBF, Herm23, Dexter, Moderated, wiscstlatlmia, renesauz, Kirtrick Taylor, Concept Coop, and other great owners.

Need 2. Thanks.

Details:

http://forums.footba...howtopic=631120

 

[az_prof]

Anyone have thoughts on McFadden's value from a draft pick perspective? He is very talented but has serious injury issues. Now the rumors of a trade. He seems very boom/bust, and I am not sure what is fair value.

I would say 1.4-1.6

 

[Synesthesia]

Anyone have thoughts on McFadden's value from a draft pick perspective? He is very talented but has serious injury issues. Now the rumors of a trade. He seems very boom/bust, and I am not sure what is fair value.

I would say 1.4-1.6

I sure hope you were referring to the 1.4-1.6 pick in startup drafts, and not in rookie drafts. Otherwise, I don't care how much uncertainty there is, we're talking about a 24-year old top-5 draft pick with a 4.8 career ypc. Yeah, he's got a bit of an injury history. Sure, we don't know for sure where he'll be playing next year. His per game totals over the last two seasons are 121.6/0.75. That's 1950/12 per 16 games, and that even underestimates the situation (in the games he actually finished, he averaged 130.5/0.83, which pro-rates to 2090/13). I'll gladly take my chances with his injury history and job uncertainty.Suggesting Lamar Miller or Kendall Wright represent fair value for Darren McFadden is plain old crazy talk. Both players have a higher chance of busting than McFadden has of getting hurt and missing substantial time, and neither player stands much of a chance of ever becoming as much of an impact player as McFadden has been when healthy. The only rookie pick worth more than McFadden right now, in my opinion, is the 1.01... and even that's a fairly close call.

 

[Andrew74]

Anyone have thoughts on McFadden's value from a draft pick perspective? He is very talented but has serious injury issues. Now the rumors of a trade. He seems very boom/bust, and I am not sure what is fair value.

I would say 1.4-1.6

I sure hope you were referring to the 1.4-1.6 pick in startup drafts, and not in rookie drafts. Otherwise, I don't care how much uncertainty there is, we're talking about a 24-year old top-5 draft pick with a 4.8 career ypc. Yeah, he's got a bit of an injury history. Sure, we don't know for sure where he'll be playing next year. His per game totals over the last two seasons are 121.6/0.75. That's 1950/12 per 16 games, and that even underestimates the situation (in the games he actually finished, he averaged 130.5/0.83, which pro-rates to 2090/13). I'll gladly take my chances with his injury history and job uncertainty.Suggesting Lamar Miller or Kendall Wright represent fair value for Darren McFadden is plain old crazy talk. Both players have a higher chance of busting than McFadden has of getting hurt and missing substantial time, and neither player stands much of a chance of ever becoming as much of an impact player as McFadden has been when healthy. The only rookie pick worth more than McFadden right now, in my opinion, is the 1.01... and even that's a fairly close call.

I was referring to rookie picks, not start ups, in my original post but wasn't clear.

 

[DoubleG]

Anyone have thoughts on McFadden's value from a draft pick perspective? He is very talented but has serious injury issues. Now the rumors of a trade. He seems very boom/bust, and I am not sure what is fair value.

I would say 1.4-1.6

I sure hope you were referring to the 1.4-1.6 pick in startup drafts, and not in rookie drafts. Otherwise, I don't care how much uncertainty there is, we're talking about a 24-year old top-5 draft pick with a 4.8 career ypc. Yeah, he's got a bit of an injury history. Sure, we don't know for sure where he'll be playing next year. His per game totals over the last two seasons are 121.6/0.75. That's 1950/12 per 16 games, and that even underestimates the situation (in the games he actually finished, he averaged 130.5/0.83, which pro-rates to 2090/13). I'll gladly take my chances with his injury history and job uncertainty.Suggesting Lamar Miller or Kendall Wright represent fair value for Darren McFadden is plain old crazy talk. Both players have a higher chance of busting than McFadden has of getting hurt and missing substantial time, and neither player stands much of a chance of ever becoming as much of an impact player as McFadden has been when healthy. The only rookie pick worth more than McFadden right now, in my opinion, is the 1.01... and even that's a fairly close call.

I was referring to rookie picks, not start ups, in my original post but wasn't clear.

Honestly, I probably wouldn't take anything lower than 1.3 (Richardon,Blackmon, or Luck) - and some of that even depends on what else you have at RB, WR, QB and what your scoring system is. If it's QB friendly than Luck might be an option - otherwise only Blackmon and Trent - and only if you need a WR. Otherwise, like the Syne said, only 1.01.

 

[DoubleG]

I beleive someone is compelled to ask about Tebow's value since we are on page 316 of this thread.

There. I did it.

 

[Eastwood]

It looks like most guys in my dynasty league are suddenly WAY down on AJ. I know he was injured most of this year, but did anyone really see signs of him losing his skills this year? Where would you rank him going into 2012 as well as long term for his dynasty value?

 

[Andrew74]

It looks like most guys in my dynasty league are suddenly WAY down on AJ. I know he was injured most of this year, but did anyone really see signs of him losing his skills this year? Where would you rank him going into 2012 as well as long term for his dynasty value?

I did not get to see many Houston games while he played, so unsure about his skills. But his inability to stay healthy the last two years combined with the splash Julio and AJ Green made this year push him down into the low WR1 spots for me.

 

[Ned]

It looks like most guys in my dynasty league are suddenly WAY down on AJ. I know he was injured most of this year, but did anyone really see signs of him losing his skills this year? Where would you rank him going into 2012 as well as long term for his dynasty value?

I did not get to see many Houston games while he played, so unsure about his skills. But his inability to stay healthy the last two years combined with the splash Julio and AJ Green made this year push him down into the low WR1 spots for me.

He's a big buy low if more guys start thinking this way. He's still a top flight player.

 

[Eastwood]

Well in the 1 league i have him, guys are treating him like he's TO or Derrick Mason. Seriously. I thought if I could move him for a good younger prospect I would, but clearly he's a keep based on the perceived value I'm seeing. Fortunately I have a few other good WRs who aren't in their 30s on my roster (Fitz, Colston, Julio, Denarius Moore.) I was just curious if anyone else is seeing this too.

 

[az_prof]

One guy I'm having a lot of difficulty ranking/valuing is Antonio Gates. 2nd half of last season he was superb and in my league was the #3 TE. He's getting older though and the risk of his foot flaring up is a concern.Just curious how others are valuing him and what sort of thing they'd be looking for for him in trades.

Rebuilders would probably take a lower tier younger TE (Cook, Gresham) plus a late 1st. And I think he's worth that price for the right team. You probably have to put Finley and Hernandez ahead of him due to age and upside, but I would prefer 2-4 years of Gates to the remaining career of Davises, Gresham, Pettigrew, etc.

I drafted Gates in a dynasty start up six years ago. I would rather have Vernon Davis and Gronk and Jimmy Graham. His per game scoring was very close to Hernandez, but I could see people preferring Hernandez. I like Hernandez, but I suspect he will be the TE to leave NE when his contract expires and then his numbers will go down IMO. Gates improved as his foot improved. He should have another 2-3 years of top 4 TE production.

Why do you think Aaron's numbers would drop outside of NE? I think a team paying Hernandez (and they will have to open the checkbook) would be foolish not to use him at least as much as the Patriots do. I am high on Hernandez, so take that for what it's worth, but I think he is on par with Jimmy Graham. Meaning, if he were to swap places with Graham, he would put up Graham numbers. Also, I don't think New England lets Hernandez walk. He is quickly becoming part of the 3-headed monster, with Gronk and Welker, and his targets have been right on par with the other two recently. Couple that with NE even using him as a RB, and I think they realize what they have: a unique weapon and mismatch.

I assume that he is likely to have a QB who is not as good as Brady and that he is likely to be in an offense that doesn't utilize the TEs as efficiently or as often. Even if he is the primary TE, the loss in QB ability and the decline in scheme preference for TE off set the increase in number of plays played. Of course, it might be that he goes to a team with a great QB or it might be that they will make him a featured part of their offense, but I think it is more likely the situation will be worse than better.