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Herm, your ranking gives a lot of weight to injury concerns. But yet you rank DMac #1? Do you really think Liz franc is no big deal? I think it is more serious than an ACL because ACL surgery has really improved, but Liz Franc seems to be a RB killer.
all lis franc injuries arent the same
So how does one feel good or bad as to the extent of McFadden's lis franc injury?
no fractures, no surgery. Its still time consuming to heal the sprained ligaments but its not on the serious side of lis fanc injuries
took gates a whole offseason to get over his and still missed like 5 games at the start of this year.
Someone mentioned above that they are not all the same (degree) and that is true. Overall, however, this injury scrares me more than an ACL because an ACl is almost routine rehab and has come a long way. The Lisfranc, however, can destroy an athlete and from my recollection, seems to be an injury where the player takes almost a second season to really recover (if they do). DMAC hasn't been the poster child of health or timely recovery either so its compounded (to me) in that it is him that has the injury. I would be less concerned if it were ADP with this injury. If you review the injury, most journals will actually specifically mention that this injury is of heightened concern for athletes vs. "normal" people due to how they sometimes can destroy flexibility/range of motion permanently. I don't think anyone buying Ryan Williams should be buying him as an early 2012 guy. I think his injury is the type that makes him a good candidate to bu on the PUP or really not used heavily early in the season. His injury and LeShoure's are the types that could render the players to a state where they are never as good as they were before.
My rankings really only give weight to injuries that have the ability to alter the trajectory of a players career. While a lis franc injury is more than just a run of the mill ankle sprain, it's not the type of injury that can sap a players skill set over a long period of time since it was not a break (as far as I understand it). Jamaal Charles and Adrian Peterson, on the other hand, both suffered injuries that have the potential to alter the way they are forced to approach the game. There is absolutely a very real possibility that both of them bounce back in huge ways and play as if the injuries never happened. However, there is also a good possibility neither player is ever the same as they were before (I again reference Willis McGahee, who essentially had to completely alter his playing style to account for the loss of skill set from his destroyed knee. Now, I do acknowledge that his injury was worse than Peterson's or Charles', but it's at least in the same ballpark, whereas Darren McFadden's is nothing like it. For another example, I give you Edgerrin James, who was never the same player after his ACL tear and went from a speedy, home run threat to more of a patient, rugged back. He was still a very good player, but never quite the same electric talent that he was before the injury).80-90% of Charles or Peterson is still a damn good and productive player, but it wouldn't compare to 100% of McFadden or Mathews. As of week 1 of the 2012 season, McFadden and Mathews will walk in with no injury concerns and will be at 100% effectiveness (barring bad luck in the preseason). The same can not be said of Peterson and Charles, as both will enter week 1 with question marks surrounding just how effective they will be. This is enough for me to devalue them compared to McFadden and Mathews.
I very well could be completely wrong, but I thought I have heard over time that there are 2 varieties- one significantly worse than the other. I was under the impression that McFadden was dealing with was the less significant variety.It's called the "dreaded" LisFranc injury for a reason.
I actually think the questions surrounding Ryan Mathews makes him the single greatest value play of any running back (and possibly any position period). In my opinion, his talent and skill set, combined with his offense, leave his upside as a top 3 RB. He is carrying significantly lower value than that because of the presence of Tolbert last year and Mathews inability to play through minor injuries. Tolbert is likely gone and leaves Mathews in line for a much bigger 3 down role in 2012 and the injuries are too fluky for me to lower his value to any degree yet.I have some belief that Mathews is in line to see a touchdown spike similar to what Ray Rice saw from 2010 to 2011 and given all of Mathews other skills and obvious ability, this leaves him with significant upside. There is obvious risk that comes with it, but just like anyone that went out and acquired Rice midway through 2010 or immediately after the 2010 season ended got him at a "discount" because of the presence of McGahee. The writing was on the wall then that Rice was set to take over the full feature back duties, just as the writing is on the wall now for Mathews.
This is actually an excellent point and something I even admittedly overlooked when considering these players.if charles' recovery is quick and easy (welker style) and he's completely healthy to start the season, i think he has a chance to explode next season. remember haley, the charles kryponite, has left KC... maybe romeo gives this kid a chance to be somebody!!
Good, according to a piece last week in Rotoworld:
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4649/darren-mcfadden
in that group, maybe. Chris Johnson, McFadden and Matthews are possibly above him. Obviously Peterson has some risk, but they all have their own issues.My rankings:C. JohnsonPetersonMatthewsMcFaddenCharlesMurrayLynch (I admit that I just have some bias against Lynch)
No Peterson is not #1 and I would move him straight up for all the players mentioned above. I would hesitate on Lynch a little but in the end would probably make that deal too. Age, wear and tear plus the time it would take to comeback from injury all would play a role in my decision.
gates didnt have a lisfranc injury. it was plantar fasciitis.
RBs in a PPR league...given this list Mathews - I think we were only scratching the surface with this kid in 2011..he was dominant the final few weeks of the season, a stud RB..Norv is still HC and he loves to use passes to the RB's.McFadden CharlesPetersonCJ(barely)1kMurrayLynchpersonally I'd pick others for the list but it's your thread so I'll stay on topic.
Go ahead and add guys. I was just curious about the guys who were once elite, could be elite, etc but are currently injured, injury prone, coming off down years, or had an arguably "fluke" season (I've heard this argument about Lynch which is why I put him on). Basically the second tier guys that have warts. I could have probably added Fred Jackson, guys like that, but I wanted to keep it concentrated instead of a whole rankings breakdown.
