I agree that a RB will fall into the #3 spot unless someone is crazy about Calvin. I have the 1.1 and the 1.4, so I'd love a AP/CJ combo.For a standard 12 team, FBG scoring, I'd imagine something along the lines of:1. Peterson2. Lynch3. Hunt***4. C. Johnson5. Russell6. Jarrett7. Irons8. Pittman9. Ginn10. Booker11. Quinn12. Meachem** #3 and possibly 4 will end up being a RB in the best situation. Players like Addai and Lendale from last season, JJ Arrington from 2005. In this group I could see Hunt, Pittman, Booker, or Irons at this point. If someone has a stunning day at the combine, he could get bumped into this slot.Calvin Johnson will go 3-5 to the team that needs WR the most. I would draft him 1st overall if given the opportunity.
His stock definitly took a hit against the NFL-caliber DBs at LSU... I think Samardzija will go in Round 2 and I think that he will actually try to play baseball at the same time. I would not be shocked if he dropped to Round 3 but I think he can be a decent NFL WR in the mold of Drew Bennett.He's going to need to get more physical for sure otherwise he will be a bust.I'm admitting I didn't see Samarzdija play until the game against LSU, but am I the only one who thinks he's a prima donna? And a whiny one at that?Even beyond that, I really wasn't that impressed by him. It just didn't look like his skill set would translate to him being all that in the NFL.(Please feel free to school me here!)
You aren't the only one. Calvin Johnson will likely get drafted over Peterson and Lynch in real-life which will heavily influence fantasy drafts.Granted most horrible fantasy teams are horrible because they have below-average RBs, in which case Peterson and Lynch would fill a need... chances are these las-place fantasy teams could use a SURE-THING which most would agree Calvin Johnson is.For a standard 12 team, FBG scoring, I'd imagine something along the lines of:1. Peterson2. Lynch3. Hunt***4. C. Johnson5. Russell6. Jarrett7. Irons8. Pittman9. Ginn10. Booker11. Quinn12. Meachem** #3 and possibly 4 will end up being a RB in the best situation. Players like Addai and Lendale from last season, JJ Arrington from 2005. In this group I could see Hunt, Pittman, Booker, or Irons at this point. If someone has a stunning day at the combine, he could get bumped into this slot.Calvin Johnson will go 3-5 to the team that needs WR the most. I would draft him 1st overall if given the opportunity.
hmm that is 7 RiceBrohmJohnsonRussellPetersonGinnJarrettSo that leavesQuinnLynchThats 9 who else?Troy Smith Kenny Irons and Dwayne Bowe are the only other skill players listed by the hairs 1st round besides Samardzija. And isn't Irons a 2nd tier Rb who might jump up?Sorry just trying to figure out who your dirty dozen is here besides these other guys. I am only seeing 9 right now.ETA- how would you tier these guys based on talent? And what other players would be included in those same tiers? Who is the top IDP? And when do you move away from these guys for the top IDP?ETAA- I present this question to everyone. Not just bloom.Sidney Rice coming out would give a boost to this class. If get Rice and Brohm (and Johnson, Russell, Peterson, Ginn, Jarrett, who we all basically assume will come out) , that'll be 12 legit first rounders, without Samardzija or any of the 2nd tier RBs, and we all know a few of them will jump up based on situation.
I see Smith, Samardzija, and Meachem as 1st rounders along with the 9 you have listed.hmm that is 7 RiceBrohmJohnsonRussellPetersonGinnJarrettSo that leavesQuinnLynchThats 9 who else?Troy Smith Kenny Irons and Dwayne Bowe are the only other skill players listed by the hairs 1st round besides Samardzija. And isn't Irons a 2nd tier Rb who might jump up?Sorry just trying to figure out who your dirty dozen is here besides these other guys. I am only seeing 9 right now.ETA- how would you tier these guys based on talent? And what other players would be included in those same tiers? Who is the top IDP? And when do you move away from these guys for the top IDP?ETAA- I present this question to everyone. Not just bloom.Sidney Rice coming out would give a boost to this class. If get Rice and Brohm (and Johnson, Russell, Peterson, Ginn, Jarrett, who we all basically assume will come out) , that'll be 12 legit first rounders, without Samardzija or any of the 2nd tier RBs, and we all know a few of them will jump up based on situation.
Strictly on talent, not for fantasyhmm that is 7 RiceBrohmJohnsonRussellPetersonGinnJarrettSo that leavesQuinnLynchThats 9 who else?Troy Smith Kenny Irons and Dwayne Bowe are the only other skill players listed by the hairs 1st round besides Samardzija. And isn't Irons a 2nd tier Rb who might jump up?Sorry just trying to figure out who your dirty dozen is here besides these other guys. I am only seeing 9 right now.ETA- how would you tier these guys based on talent? And what other players would be included in those same tiers? Who is the top IDP? And when do you move away from these guys for the top IDP?ETAA- I present this question to everyone. Not just bloom.Sidney Rice coming out would give a boost to this class. If get Rice and Brohm (and Johnson, Russell, Peterson, Ginn, Jarrett, who we all basically assume will come out) , that'll be 12 legit first rounders, without Samardzija or any of the 2nd tier RBs, and we all know a few of them will jump up based on situation.
Not a bad list, but we all know some second and third tier RBs are going to creep into the top 12. Lorenzo Booker seems to be highly-regarded and will almost certainly put up nasty numbers at the combine. I look for him to make a serious run at the RB3 spot. Tony Hunt, Michael Bush, and Kenny Irons are also in the mix to be this year's Addai/Drew/Shelton/Arrington/Moats/Gore/Morency/Perry/etc. I'm not wild about this group of RBs after the top two. The strength of this class is in the WR ranks. Owners with picks in the 1.10-1.12 range will likely have a chance at a solid prospect like Robert Meachem or Sidney Rice. There are also a number of intriguing third tier guys like Johnnie Lee Higgins, Steve Smith, Dwayne Bowe, and Craig Davis. It's a very good year to need a WR because there appears to be solid talent from top to bottom. Drew Stanton and Trent Edwards are intriguing QB options who could offer nice value for NFL teams in rounds 2-4.Strictly on talent, not for fantasyhmm that is 7 RiceBrohmJohnsonRussellPetersonGinnJarrettSo that leavesQuinnLynchThats 9 who else?Troy Smith Kenny Irons and Dwayne Bowe are the only other skill players listed by the hairs 1st round besides Samardzija. And isn't Irons a 2nd tier Rb who might jump up?Sorry just trying to figure out who your dirty dozen is here besides these other guys. I am only seeing 9 right now.ETA- how would you tier these guys based on talent? And what other players would be included in those same tiers? Who is the top IDP? And when do you move away from these guys for the top IDP?ETAA- I present this question to everyone. Not just bloom.Sidney Rice coming out would give a boost to this class. If get Rice and Brohm (and Johnson, Russell, Peterson, Ginn, Jarrett, who we all basically assume will come out) , that'll be 12 legit first rounders, without Samardzija or any of the 2nd tier RBs, and we all know a few of them will jump up based on situation.etersonJohnsonRussell JarrettLynchRiceGinnQuinnBrohmMeachemSmithBowe (although Rice and Meachem may push him out of the first)The first IDP should be going off the board around 15-18. Im thinking itll be Willis or Poz
I agree with your take. The value in the late first of rookie drafts will be at WR. If you are taking an RB besides the top 2, just know that you are taking them based on situation rather than talent. In strict fantasy terms, I see Hunt's upside as Ladell Betts, Booker's as a more talented version of his backfield mate, Leon Washington. I will make an exception for Antonio Pittman if he comes out, he could be solid. Bush I am still skeptical about, and Irons I am really down on right now. He'll be a solid gamble in the 2nd round of rookie drafts, but I wouldnt spend a first on him.EBF said:Not a bad list, but we all know some second and third tier RBs are going to creep into the top 12. Lorenzo Booker seems to be highly-regarded and will almost certainly put up nasty numbers at the combine. I look for him to make a serious run at the RB3 spot. Tony Hunt, Michael Bush, and Kenny Irons are also in the mix to be this year's Addai/Drew/Shelton/Arrington/Moats/Gore/Morency/Perry/etc. I'm not wild about this group of RBs after the top two. The strength of this class is in the WR ranks. Owners with picks in the 1.10-1.12 range will likely have a chance at a solid prospect like Robert Meachem or Sidney Rice. There are also a number of intriguing third tier guys like Johnnie Lee Higgins, Steve Smith, Dwayne Bowe, and Craig Davis. It's a very good year to need a WR because there appears to be solid talent from top to bottom. Drew Stanton and Trent Edwards are intriguing QB options who could offer nice value for NFL teams in rounds 2-4.
um, you're f'in psyched in a PPR.PetersonJohnsonLynch2 of:JarrettGinnRiceor 1 and Russell if you want a high upside QB.Do all the great WRs make this a good PPR draft? I have many first round picks from trading to get Peterson and I am happy to have the 1.01, 1.02, 1.03, 1.05, 1.06. However, I am up in the air as far as trading pix in an "RB poor" draft. I think with all the WRs coming out (allegedly), this is a great PPR draft. Thoughts?
who?Thanks Bloom. That's what I thought. Too bad we have contract year maximum totals and maximum 5 year p/player. Oh, and keep Johnnie Lee Higgins under your vest. Great speed, great hands, great person.
UTEP... small, quick WR who played well.From nfldraftcountdown.com:who?Thanks Bloom. That's what I thought. Too bad we have contract year maximum totals and maximum 5 year p/player. Oh, and keep Johnnie Lee Higgins under your vest. Great speed, great hands, great person.![]()
This is a legit class, especially at WR and QB... potentially at RB.Biabreakable said:hmm that is 7 RiceBrohmJohnsonRussellPetersonGinnJarrettSo that leavesQuinnLynchThats 9 who else?Troy Smith Kenny Irons and Dwayne Bowe are the only other skill players listed by the hairs 1st round besides Samardzija. And isn't Irons a 2nd tier Rb who might jump up?Sorry just trying to figure out who your dirty dozen is here besides these other guys. I am only seeing 9 right now.ETA- how would you tier these guys based on talent? And what other players would be included in those same tiers? Who is the top IDP? And when do you move away from these guys for the top IDP?ETAA- I present this question to everyone. Not just bloom.Sigmund Bloom said:Sidney Rice coming out would give a boost to this class. If get Rice and Brohm (and Johnson, Russell, Peterson, Ginn, Jarrett, who we all basically assume will come out) , that'll be 12 legit first rounders, without Samardzija or any of the 2nd tier RBs, and we all know a few of them will jump up based on situation.
Bloom was being "stealth". Bloom has been a big (relatively) Higgins proponent. The guys a stud. Whenever UTEP (my hometown , but not alma mater team) needed a big play we could count on JLH. Even when Palmer was off his game. He is a GREAT route runner and returner as well.UTEP... small, quick WR who played well.From nfldraftcountdown.com:who?Thanks Bloom. That's what I thought. Too bad we have contract year maximum totals and maximum 5 year p/player. Oh, and keep Johnnie Lee Higgins under your vest. Great speed, great hands, great person.![]()
Height: 6-0 | Weight: 180 | 40-Time: 4.35
Strengths:
Has outstanding speed...Very quick with a burst...Excellent athlete...Great leaper with good ball skills and body control...Big play threat...Elusive and runs well after the catch...Tough and plays bigger than he is...Has reliable hands and will snatch the ball out of the air...Very productive...He can also contribute as a return man.
Weaknesses:
Undersized and almost frail...Is not very strong or physical...Struggles to beat the jam...Does not run great routes...Probably won't ever be a true #1 target at the pro level...May be limited in terms of the roles he can play...Durability's a concern.
Notes:
Cousin of San Diego Charger cornerback Quentin Jammer...Should be a workout warrior...Has some physical limitations but a lot of his flaws are correctable and you simply can't teach speed...The NFL is really placing more of an emphasis on smaller, quicker receivers these days (i.e. Steve Smith) and this guy fits that mold.
Haha gotcha... There are no secrets on this board. Players with talent always come out in the wash as much as you want them to be a sleeper they arn't.Bloom was being "stealth". Bloom has been a big (relatively) Higgins proponent. The guys a stud. Whenever UTEP (my hometown , but not alma mater team) needed a big play we could count on JLH. Even when Palmer was off his game. He is a GREAT route runner and returner as well.UTEP... small, quick WR who played well.From nfldraftcountdown.com:who?Thanks Bloom. That's what I thought. Too bad we have contract year maximum totals and maximum 5 year p/player. Oh, and keep Johnnie Lee Higgins under your vest. Great speed, great hands, great person.![]()
Height: 6-0 | Weight: 180 | 40-Time: 4.35
Strengths:
Has outstanding speed...Very quick with a burst...Excellent athlete...Great leaper with good ball skills and body control...Big play threat...Elusive and runs well after the catch...Tough and plays bigger than he is...Has reliable hands and will snatch the ball out of the air...Very productive...He can also contribute as a return man.
Weaknesses:
Undersized and almost frail...Is not very strong or physical...Struggles to beat the jam...Does not run great routes...Probably won't ever be a true #1 target at the pro level...May be limited in terms of the roles he can play...Durability's a concern.
Notes:
Cousin of San Diego Charger cornerback Quentin Jammer...Should be a workout warrior...Has some physical limitations but a lot of his flaws are correctable and you simply can't teach speed...The NFL is really placing more of an emphasis on smaller, quicker receivers these days (i.e. Steve Smith) and this guy fits that mold.

Oh, Bloom knows who Higgins is .. he is just playing it coy. Trust me.UTEP... small, quick WR who played well.From nfldraftcountdown.com:who?Thanks Bloom. That's what I thought. Too bad we have contract year maximum totals and maximum 5 year p/player. Oh, and keep Johnnie Lee Higgins under your vest. Great speed, great hands, great person.![]()
Height: 6-0 | Weight: 180 | 40-Time: 4.35
Strengths:
Has outstanding speed...Very quick with a burst...Excellent athlete...Great leaper with good ball skills and body control...Big play threat...Elusive and runs well after the catch...Tough and plays bigger than he is...Has reliable hands and will snatch the ball out of the air...Very productive...He can also contribute as a return man.
Weaknesses:
Undersized and almost frail...Is not very strong or physical...Struggles to beat the jam...Does not run great routes...Probably won't ever be a true #1 target at the pro level...May be limited in terms of the roles he can play...Durability's a concern.
Notes:
Cousin of San Diego Charger cornerback Quentin Jammer...Should be a workout warrior...Has some physical limitations but a lot of his flaws are correctable and you simply can't teach speed...The NFL is really placing more of an emphasis on smaller, quicker receivers these days (i.e. Steve Smith) and this guy fits that mold.
Thanks for bringing another prospect into the discussion, but this profile isUTEP... small, quick WR who played well.From nfldraftcountdown.com:who?Thanks Bloom. That's what I thought. Too bad we have contract year maximum totals and maximum 5 year p/player. Oh, and keep Johnnie Lee Higgins under your vest. Great speed, great hands, great person.![]()
Height: 6-0 | Weight: 180 | 40-Time: 4.35
Strengths:
Has outstanding speed...Very quick with a burst...Excellent athlete...Great leaper with good ball skills and body control...Big play threat...Elusive and runs well after the catch...Tough and plays bigger than he is...Has reliable hands and will snatch the ball out of the air...Very productive...He can also contribute as a return man.
Weaknesses:
Undersized and almost frail...Is not very strong or physical...Struggles to beat the jam...Does not run great routes...Probably won't ever be a true #1 target at the pro level...May be limited in terms of the roles he can play...Durability's a concern.
Notes:
Cousin of San Diego Charger cornerback Quentin Jammer...Should be a workout warrior...Has some physical limitations but a lot of his flaws are correctable and you simply can't teach speed...The NFL is really placing more of an emphasis on smaller, quicker receivers these days (i.e. Steve Smith) and this guy fits that mold.
Comparing a weak, almost frail WR to Steve Smith? I realize this doesn't say Higgins = Smith, but even bringing in his name is just wrong here.I'm admitting I didn't see Samarzdija play until the game against LSU, but am I the only one who thinks he's a prima donna? And a whiny one at that?Even beyond that, I really wasn't that impressed by him. It just didn't look like his skill set would translate to him being all that in the NFL.(Please feel free to school me here!)
I'm with you. I'm not overly impressed by anything Samardzija does.Higgins is my favorite non-first round WR in this class. He could sneak into the first with a sick 40 time. He's also an electric return man. Teams couldnt stop him even though he was all UTEP really had.UTEP... small, quick WR who played well.From nfldraftcountdown.com:who?Thanks Bloom. That's what I thought. Too bad we have contract year maximum totals and maximum 5 year p/player. Oh, and keep Johnnie Lee Higgins under your vest. Great speed, great hands, great person.![]()
Height: 6-0 | Weight: 180 | 40-Time: 4.35
Strengths:
Has outstanding speed...Very quick with a burst...Excellent athlete...Great leaper with good ball skills and body control...Big play threat...Elusive and runs well after the catch...Tough and plays bigger than he is...Has reliable hands and will snatch the ball out of the air...Very productive...He can also contribute as a return man.
Weaknesses:
Undersized and almost frail...Is not very strong or physical...Struggles to beat the jam...Does not run great routes...Probably won't ever be a true #1 target at the pro level...May be limited in terms of the roles he can play...Durability's a concern.
Notes:
Cousin of San Diego Charger cornerback Quentin Jammer...Should be a workout warrior...Has some physical limitations but a lot of his flaws are correctable and you simply can't teach speed...The NFL is really placing more of an emphasis on smaller, quicker receivers these days (i.e. Steve Smith) and this guy fits that mold.
So I was going to make this a new post but I saw this thread.
Top 12 Overall
1. Adrian Peterson
2. Marshawn Lynch
3. Calvin Peterson
4. Antonio Pittman
5. Kenny Irons
6. Jamarcus Russell
7. Michael Bush
8. Dwayne Jarrett
9. Troy Smith
10. Ted Ginn
11. Brian Brohm
12. Tony Hunt
Top 10 RB's
1. Adrian Peterson
2. Marshawn Lynch
3. Antonio Pittman
4. Michael Bush
5. Kenny Irons
6. Gary Russell
7. Tony Hunt
8. Dwayne Wright
9. Garrett Wolfe
10. Lorenzo Booker
Top 10 QB's
1. Jamarcus Russell
2. Troy Smith
3. Brian Brohm
4. Brady Quinn
5. Drew Stanton
6. Jordan Palmer
7. Tyler Palko
8. Trent Edwards
9. Kevin Kolb
10. Chris Leak
Top 10 WR's
1. Calvin Johnson
2. Dwayne Jarrett
3. Ted Ginn
4. Robert Meachem
5. Dwayne Bowe
6. Jeff Samardzija
7. Steve Smith
8. Johnnie Lee Higgins
9. Jason Hill
10. Ryne Robinson
Top 5 TE's
1. Zach Miller
2. Greg Olsen
3. Scott Chandler
4. Matt Spaeth
5. Joe Newton
Notes:
I put RB's higher despite not having inferior abilities compared to others abilities to contribute. It happens every year, I figure I might as well identify it early.
Antonio Pittman: If he comes out his stock is going to go through the roof. I am already seeing it happen on this board and leading up to the NatChamp game. If you combine him with a good situation he is top three if not top two.
Gary Russell: Ran for 1,000 yards alongside Maroney last year. A lot of people have forgotten about him... I haven't.
Jeff Samardzija: This guy is overrated in my book. To me he looks to bomb in two sports. His awesome 4.50 ERA in baseball and his drops in the clutch cost Quinn and the Irish games all year. I don't know what people see in him.
Ryne Robinson: It's a name I want to toss out there. He plays for Miami of OH. The kid is rediculous as a return guy and became an outstanding WR this year. If he tests well at one of the senior bowl games and combine he is one to keep an eye that is for sure.
**Edited: Forgot Mike Bush and moved Booker up one in my RB's.

Wynn has a thick low built frame (5'11" 230ish), but runs more like a nifty back than a power back, which is somewhat maddening. There's potential there if he can start to run mean, but I'm not excited about him, and wouldn't slot him higher than 6th or 7th in this RB class.Baker is an interesting jumpball guy with long arms who definitely does his damage in the air. Reminds me of a less rugged, slower Baskett. We will get a long look at him at the Shrine Game. Caldwell has more intriguing tools for the NFL than Baker, but I see him battling to start in the pros, nothing special that jumps out at you.The most exciting skill player on Florida's roster is Harvin by a large margin imo. Im also interested in seeing more of Mon Williams.what about deshawn wynn and dallas baker of florida? deshawn started out strong, but then was held back by injury. baker has been a solid TD threat all year and is a big target. another WR from UF, andre caldwell is considering coming out too. hes a strong receiver. what do you guys think about their value?
Eerily similar to my rankingsMy Top 18 right now, assuming underclassmen listed come out:1) A Peterson2) C Johnson 3) M Lynch - non-PPR leagues probably switch Lynch and Johnson4) M Bush - A bit of a risk, but I'm guessing he impresses at the workouts5) D Jarrett6) J Russell7) A Pittman8) T Ginn9) T Hunt10) B Quinn11) S Rice12) L Booker - Surprises on draft day13) B Brohm14) T Smith15) K Irons - Drops on draft day16) R Meacham17) J Samardzija18) D BowePretty decent round and a half there.

Would you mind going to #20? Add IDPs if neccessary. (yes, I have that pick - along with 1.01)Good list BTW, I'd probably bump up Meacham to #13 and Rice to #6, but that's subjective.My Top 18 right now, assuming underclassmen listed come out:1) A Peterson2) C Johnson 3) M Lynch - non-PPR leagues probably switch Lynch and Johnson4) M Bush - A bit of a risk, but I'm guessing he impresses at the workouts5) D Jarrett6) J Russell7) A Pittman8) T Ginn9) T Hunt10) B Quinn11) S Rice12) L Booker - Surprises on draft day13) B Brohm14) T Smith15) K Irons - Drops on draft day16) R Meacham17) J Samardzija18) D BowePretty decent round and a half there.
Dammit, caught!!Eerily similar to my rankings :(My Top 18 right now, assuming underclassmen listed come out:1) A Peterson2) C Johnson 3) M Lynch - non-PPR leagues probably switch Lynch and Johnson4) M Bush - A bit of a risk, but I'm guessing he impresses at the workouts5) D Jarrett6) J Russell7) A Pittman8) T Ginn9) T Hunt10) B Quinn11) S Rice12) L Booker - Surprises on draft day13) B Brohm14) T Smith15) K Irons - Drops on draft day16) R Meacham17) J Samardzija18) D BowePretty decent round and a half there.
Actually I thought I remembered you being high on Irons?I'm actually thinking this won't be a good year for IDPs. I'd probably put Willis, Adams and Posluzny near the end of that list, between 16 and 20. I can see Meacham higher, but I'm not sure everyone is sold on Rice being ready for the NFL. I think he'll take some time to mature as a route runner and possibly as a person. I can't see him going ahead of at least 2-3 of the 2nd tier RBs. Maybe though. If I had to some more offensive players, I'd probably add Higgins, Zach Miller, G Russell, D Wright and maybe S Smith and C Brennan, if he declares. I really like Brennan ahead of Stanton.Would you mind going to #20? Add IDPs if neccessary. (yes, I have that pick - along with 1.01)Good list BTW, I'd probably bump up Meacham to #13 and Rice to #6, but that's subjective.My Top 18 right now, assuming underclassmen listed come out:1) A Peterson2) C Johnson 3) M Lynch - non-PPR leagues probably switch Lynch and Johnson4) M Bush - A bit of a risk, but I'm guessing he impresses at the workouts5) D Jarrett6) J Russell7) A Pittman8) T Ginn9) T Hunt10) B Quinn11) S Rice12) L Booker - Surprises on draft day13) B Brohm14) T Smith15) K Irons - Drops on draft day16) R Meacham17) J Samardzija18) D BowePretty decent round and a half there.
He would rank in the middle of the fat 2nd tier along with guys like Steve Smith and Rhema McKnight. 2nd-4th round pick.hey, bloom - or whomeverif anthony gonzales wr ohio state were to declare, where would he rank in this wr class. i see a ton of stuff about ginn, but nothing on gonzales. on a local sports talk show(detroit) some slappy was talking up gonzales. saying he ran better routes and was just as fast a ginn. whats the skinny on this guy.
Sigmund Bloom said:He would rank in the middle of the fat 2nd tier along with guys like Steve Smith and Rhema McKnight. 2nd-4th round pick.odon said:hey, bloom - or whomeverif anthony gonzales wr ohio state were to declare, where would he rank in this wr class. i see a ton of stuff about ginn, but nothing on gonzales. on a local sports talk show(detroit) some slappy was talking up gonzales. saying he ran better routes and was just as fast a ginn. whats the skinny on this guy.

I'm admitting I didn't see Samarzdija play until the game against LSU, but am I the only one who thinks he's a prima donna? And a whiny one at that?Even beyond that, I really wasn't that impressed by him. It just didn't look like his skill set would translate to him being all that in the NFL.(Please feel free to school me here!)
The guy was THE ONLY person Quinn would look for when I watched this past bowl game. Reminds me of a Joe Jurevicious.With that said, if Quinn doesn't know how to look for other reads...he will certainly be an NFL bust before long.---------------------FUTURE STUDS- Vernand Morency- Frank Gore- Matt Jones- Jay Cutler- Vince Young- Ben WatsonI haven't seen this sig before. When did these predictions take place? The players listed are from several different draft classes. Is this an ongoing sig or a one-time future stud post? Its possibly the most curious sig I've ever seen and I don't know why exactly.He would rank in the middle of the fat 2nd tier along with guys like Steve Smith and Rhema McKnight. 2nd-4th round pick.hey, bloom - or whomeverif anthony gonzales wr ohio state were to declare, where would he rank in this wr class. i see a ton of stuff about ginn, but nothing on gonzales. on a local sports talk show(detroit) some slappy was talking up gonzales. saying he ran better routes and was just as fast a ginn. whats the skinny on this guy.![]()
I think the Jurevicius comparison is a very fair one. This guy just won't do squat in the intermediate game in the NFL, IMO. I'm beginning to work on my rankings more. It's still very early and I'm sure I'll change a lot of things, but right now I'd rank the top 12 as follows:1. Adrian Peterson - Calvin Johnson is a better player and prospect, but RBs are more valuable than WRs in most leagues and they almost always offer a quicker return on your investment. Peterson is too tall for his own good and will probably take a beating in the NFL, but he's a skilled back with the potential to put up a few monster years before falling apart. 2. Marshawn Lynch - Again, Johnson is definitely a safer pick and a better player, but I think Lynch will carry more value in most dynasty leagues. RBs are always overrated. There's nothing you can do about that. Lynch isn't a perfect prospect, but he has a chance to be immensely productive in the NFL. 3. Calvin Johnson - The best skill position player in the draft. Worst case scenario is a Keyshawn-type career, but this Johnson is a much better red zone weapon than Keyshawn ever was. Hype is getting a little out of control, but he's the real deal. 4. Dwayne Jarrett - Occasional dropsies are a concern, but Jarrett has enough skills to become a #1 WR in the NFL. I think he's a better prospect than Braylon Edwards, but not as good as Fitzgerald or Roy. 5. JaMarcus Russell - This is where things get dicey for me. You can make a case for a number of different players here. The reason I chose Russell is because his strong arm could work FF wonders in the right system. Like any QB, he's a bust risk. 6. Ted Ginn - Ginn is my reluctant choice here. He has the speed and athletic ability to be a star, but he could also be a tremendous flop in the NFL. Realistically, I recommend trading down if you don't have a pick in the top 4-5, because there's almost no difference between the caliber of the prospects available from 5-15. 7. Antonio Pittman - I'm really not impressed with this group of RBs after the top 2. Right now, Pittman looks like the third best of the bunch. He has good overall skills and is built in the mold of today's top pro backs, but he may never be more than mediocre in the NFL. Doesn't really stand out as special in any way. In spite of all this, we know 2-3 undeserving RBs are going to creep into the top 10 of rookie drafts. It happens every single year without fail. 8. Brady Quinn - Quinn has never really impressed me. He looks like an overhyped player whose draft profile has exploded because he played on a high-profile college team with a good supporting cast. Then again, I felt the same way about Carson Palmer when he was comint out. I don't like Quinn, but at some point you have to swallow the bullet and hope the NFL scouts got it right. 9. Kenny Irons - In this weak RB crop, anyone has a chance to claim the RB3 crown. Irons has been productive in a tough conference and offers a nearly ideal build for a pro runner. His running style seems to fit the NFL mold pretty well, but he doesn't have the special qualities that you look for in a star back. 10. Sidney Rice - Rice is a good athlete with good size. He flashes nice skills, but I'm a little bit concerned about his playing style. Whereas Calvin Johnson and Dwayne Jarrett attack the ball, Rice lets it come into his body. He was able to get away with this in college, but it's a habit that will cost him dearly at the pro level. He's a gifted athlete with the physical skills needed to start in the NFL. I just wonder if he's going to play with the intensity needed to get it done. 11. Lorenzo Booker - Booker is undersized, but he's a good athlete with the quickness to make things happen on his own. Given the success of guys like Brian Westbrook and Maurice Drew, I think Booker warrants consideration as the RB3 for FF purposes. However, he has somewhat stubby legs and doesn't really look the part of a big time NFL back. 12. Michael Bush - A slightly better version of Eric Shelton, which makes him slightly better than garbage. Has decent quickness for a big man and is talented enough to prove me wrong and have a good career, but the power back seems to be a dinosaur in today's NFL. Still, he's a RB and he should be a first day draft pick. Someone in your league will roll the dice on him in the top 12. Comments on other prospects:Tony Hunt - I'm really trying to like this guy, but I can't see what the fuss is about. He looks like a STIFF to me. No burst. No quickness. Takes forever to reach top speed. A starving man's Eddie George. That doesn't bode well for his chances in today's NFL. Gary Russell - I haven't done enough homework on him to rank him right now. Sooner or later I'll read up on him and watch some highlights. He may move up into my top 10 after that. Dwayne Wright - See: Gary Russell. Brian Brohm - Will figure into my top 12 mix if and when he declares. Jeff Samardzija - A one trick pony. He can catch a jump ball. That's about it. Playing for Notre Dame and having announcers slob his knob has greatly inflated his draft profile, IMO. Has an outside chance to surprise, but I see him becoming a mediocre pro in the mold of Joe Jurevicius. Robert Meachem - I'm intrigued by this guy and may ultimately move him up.Overall, I'd say this is a great year to trade down if you don't have a top 4 pick. The top four guys are very strong. After that, it's nothing but gambles. The strength of this group is the WR depth. I actually won't be the least bit surprised if we look back on this class and realize that the second tier guys were actually better than many of the first tier guys. It could be a lot like the 2001 draft, where guys like Chad Johnson, Chris Chambers, and Reggie Wayne ended up outproducing Koren Robinson, David Terrell, Rod Gardner, and Freddie Mitchell. Third tier receivers like Craig Davis, Dwayne Bowe, Jason Hill, and Johnnie Lee Higgins could be major steals at their rookie draft ADP this year. They're not much worse than Ginn as prospects, but will be available for a fraction of the cost.I'm admitting I didn't see Samarzdija play until the game against LSU, but am I the only one who thinks he's a prima donna? And a whiny one at that?Even beyond that, I really wasn't that impressed by him. It just didn't look like his skill set would translate to him being all that in the NFL.(Please feel free to school me here!)The guy was THE ONLY person Quinn would look for when I watched this past bowl game. Reminds me of a Joe Jurevicious.With that said, if Quinn doesn't know how to look for other reads...he will certainly be an NFL bust before long.
My Top 18 right now, assuming underclassmen listed come out:1) A Peterson2) C Johnson 3) M Lynch - non-PPR leagues probably switch Lynch and Johnson4) M Bush - A bit of a risk, but I'm guessing he impresses at the workouts5) D Jarrett6) J Russell7) A Pittman8) T Ginn9) T Hunt10) B Quinn11) S Rice12) L Booker - Surprises on draft day13) B Brohm14) T Smith15) K Irons - Drops on draft day16) R Meacham17) J Samardzija18) D BowePretty decent round and a half there.