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[DYNASTY] Staff Rankings (1 Viewer)

First off, awesome work, guys.
Thank you Tick. Much appreciated. I'll walk through some of your very detailed response and see where I can add some clarity, if I can.
Some thoughts as I go through this...-Crumpler over Heap surprises me.
Until Atlanta gets a legit #1 WR, Crump is the primary receiver. Heap has Mason and now Clayton running outside of him, and he can't seem to stay healthy for a full season.
-Eric Johnson seems awfully low - yeah, he's hurt all the time, but I'd rather take a chance with a guy like him who has shown something rather than a guy who will never be anyone's FF TE1 like Putzier or Graham.
I used to like EJ, but his injuries are a big risk. Add in the fact that many have Vernon Davis going to SF and a question mark under center with Alex Smith, I see far better options than EJ.
-Brady over Palmer really surprises me.
Three Super Bowl rings with a "no name" receiving corps, yet he always produces. Palmer had a severe injury, so there's no telling how that will affect him long term. It shouldn't, but a slight factor. Brady is also still on the right side of 30.
-Rudi seems slightly high to me.
That's mostly my fault as I have him at 6, the highest on the staff. Granted he has Chris Perry behind him, but he is unbelievably consistent and never seems to get hurt. He has performed well and has not missed a start in nearly 3 years. I have him ahead of :7. Ronnie Brown due to experience and productivity for a season, not to mention Ricky Williams.8. Cadillac Williams - again with experience and not playing for 16 games.9. Steven Jackson - new offense being implemented may rise his stock, but just not impressed enough yet.10. Brian Westbrook - excellent offensive contributor, but without PPR he drops. Also some injury history.
-Tiki Barber is over 31 years old. If this is a five-year ranking, what's he doing over Westbrook, McAllister, Jamal Lewis, etc?
I'm clean on this one with Westy. Jamal Lewis has Mike Anderson to contend with, as well as a checkered past which could shut his career down unexpectedly. McAllister is coming off a major knee injury.
-Rhodes seems way-overvalued. Nobody really thinks he'll be the starter, and nobody thinks he would keep the job for more than a year if it happened... so why does everyone rank him so high?
More of a ranking of his current status than Mr. Rhodes himself. I rank him 29. Excellent trade candidate right now, IMHO.
-Mike Anderson is something like 33 years old and is penciled in at RB2 for his team. I'd sure rather take a chance on a guy like Duckett, GJones, or Dayne who at least have youth on their side.
I have Duckett (37) just above MA (40). I omitted GJones - that will be corrected later. Dayne I have lower just because it isn't clear what's going on in Denver with Tatum Bell and someone by the name of Cedric Cobbs ;) .
-Fitz over Chad Johnson doesn't seem right to me... it's strange to see after the message board consensus had a clear tier of Chad/Smith/Holt/Moss above the rest of the WRs like Fitz.
Had Fitz 1, CJ 2. 1A wouldn't upset me.
-Owens at 7 baffles me, but I'm a hater so I guess I'll just never get it. The guy's old, broken down, and his teams bench him because he's a jerk. He's a great player, but I can't see how he plays more than 30 more games in his career.
A tough one to rank, for sure. When he's on, he is one of the best in the game. The other drama keeps him lower than the Top 5, but his unique skills keep him in the Top 10. To continue in one more post.
 
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-Drew Bennett seems underrated to me. A guy like Reggie Brown hasn't shown anything to rank him over Bennett IMO.
Bennett (37) is joined now by Givens (23) in Tennessee, and who knows who will be throwing him the ball over the next 2 years, let alone 5. Reggie Brown(21) is the clear #1 option in Philly, for better or worse. In Tennessee Bennett must not only compete with Givens but also Kinney and Troupe.
-Antonio Bryant seems too low at 72 and unranked by two people.
This is more an indictment of his QB than Mr. Bryant, and I believe he's the #2 option after Battle (64).I hope that helps. Excellent job as always, Tick.
 
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-Crumpler over Heap surprises me. The Witten omission needs to be fixed.

-Somone rated Dallas Clark as TE3... now that's just weird.

-Brady over Palmer really surprises me.

-I think the QB rankings are excellent. Someone left Ramsey off their rankings, though, and I think that was probably an oversight.

-Tiki Barber is over 31 years old. If this is a five-year ranking, what's he doing over Westbrook, McAllister, Jamal Lewis, etc?

-Rhodes seems way-overvalued. Nobody really thinks he'll be the starter, and nobody thinks he would keep the job for more than a year if it happened... so why does everyone rank him so high?

-Mike Anderson is something like 33 years old and is penciled in at RB2 for his team. I'd sure rather take a chance on a guy like Duckett, GJones, or Dayne who at least have youth on their side.

-Fitz over Chad Johnson doesn't seem right to me... it's strange to see after the message board consensus had a clear tier of Chad/Smith/Holt/Moss above the rest of the WRs like Fitz.

-Owens at 7 baffles me, but I'm a hater so I guess I'll just never get it. The guy's old, broken down, and his teams bench him because he's a jerk. He's a great player, but I can't see how he plays more than 30 more games in his career.

-DJax is low.

-Drew Bennett seems underrated to me. A guy like Reggie Brown hasn't shown anything to rank him over Bennett IMO.
I agree with all these above...A few of my own -

-I disagree with Mattie. Those close to camp say he's the future of the team. (non Mattie owner)

-The Willie Parker love is just baffling. I see speed, but not much else. Plenty of burners don't end up carrying the load.

-Foster over Benson is screwy (Non owner of both)

-Perry has showed a bit of an injury bug, but he has also shown me enough to rank him in the Top 30. Gore, Rhodes and Fred Taylor ahead of him is a mistake. I'd have him over Chris Brown in a split second. (Perry owner)

-Santana Moss will come back to earth. They have other options this year so they'll use them.

-I applaud you guys for Evans ranking. (Evans owner)

THANKS FOR DOING THIS GUYS !!!

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Cedric Benson rated significantly lower than Thomas Jones?...in dynasty rankings?  Thats interesting.  No love at all for Cedric, huh?  You guys had Larry Fitz ranked 37 entering last season in redraft, so everyone makes mistakes.  Ill let you slide on the Benson ranking.  Stephen Jackson as high as 6?  These 2 young backs seem to be on the opposite end of the respect spectrum with FBGs, and seem to be quite similar in age, size, skills and prior draft status.  Do you guys really see Thomas Jones factoring in that much with  the Chicago Bears long term future?    If an expert would have time, I am curious as to the reasoning for the positioning....is it that Jones is that good and that firmly entrenched or is that you just dont see it with Benson?  Get back to me on this if you get a chance please.  Much appreciated.
Jones was a top-10 fantasy RB last year while Benson showed very little. Maybe Benson emerges this year and takes over the job, but that's far from a certainty. I do think you make a good point though, and I'll probably be moving up Benson in the future. Don't forget that T.Jones was once a very high pick himself so it's not like he lacks talent. I think Jones keeps the starting job until he gets hurt, but I would also not be too surprised to see some type of RBBC in Chicago this year and next.
Thanks for the feedback, AR. Reason I find it the most interesting is that I look at dynasty rankings as roughly 5 years into the future and just dont see Thomas Jones as the Bears' top back for the next two years let alone the next five. Travis Henry, Priest Holmes, and Ricky Watters and soon to be Dominic Davis come to mind in recent years as top 10 backs that were unseated by better more highly drafted RBs that were ready to perform. Jones deserving of this kind of ranking would mean that once again Chicago would have drafted a complete bust of a player at RB in Benson which I just dont see happening. It wouldnt be shocking Ill admit considering their recent luck at the position, but I dont see it happening with Benson. This kid is NOT Curtis Enis or Rashaan Salaam.
I agree. TJ is great right now,but in five years he will be out of football. I dont like the rankings myself
 
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First off, awesome work, guys.

Some thoughts as I go through this...

- I'd love to see Herman's PK rankings.

me too

- If it's really five years, some of those LBs are way overrated.

Personally, I didn't limit my rankings to a 5-year window or a 3-year window. I just chose to rank the players how I think I would value them in a keeper or dynasty league. That involves weighting their performance over the next year or two a little heavier than their performance in years 3, 4, 5, etc. but taking it all into account somehow.

- I don't get the Julian Peterson ranking.  What has he ever done FF-wise to earn such a high ranking, over guys like Kirk Morrison, Marcus Washington, and Kawika Mitchell?

Looks like I have him lower than most as I think he's one of those players who are better in real life than they are in fantasy football. He doesn't put up great stats and he has an injury history. However, in his favor, Seattle SLBs do have a history of being pretty productive.

-DJ Williams is way too low IMO.  I know he's at SLB for now, but so's Derrick Johnson who's ranked 16th.  This just seems like a disconnect to me.

I think Johnson still has a chance to play WLB and in the nickel and even dime defense, but the presence of Gold and Wilson means Williams will likely be stuck at SLB for the forseeable future and will probably remain just a 2-down LB to boot.

-Bob Sanders over Ed Reed?  Really?  I own Sanders, and he's nice and all, but I'd throw in a third round rookie pick to upgrade to Ed Reed.

Reed is a big play guy who hasn't topped 67 solo tackles since his rookie year. I think Sanders can be a decent playmaker, but can also improve significantly on the 72 solo tackles he had last year. With the Colts having a better offense, teams will be forced to throw against the Colts a lot more than they will against the Ravens. He also doesn't have a Ray Lewis stealing tackles in front of him.

-I really like the Madieu Williams ranking - I see him as high as 5th on some people's rankings, which seems bonkers to me.  Then again, I see he was 5th, 8th, 26th, and 51st in the four rankings - the 51st place ranking is way crazier than the 5th place ranking, I guess.

I agree that I likely have him ranked too low and will move him up. But, I still think he's overvalued and unlikely to ever repeat his rookie season success. The Bengals have dramatically improved the talent around him since then.

-Nick Collins seems awfully high, even before the Bryan Scott signing.

Do you mean Marquand Manuel? Otherwise, I'm not sure what Scott going to NO has to do with Collins in GB. I think his ranking is pretty reasonable given his youth and the terrible Packers defense in front of him.

-There's a big gap between the ranking of Michael Lewis and his ADP in Zealots leagues - I wonder why the big difference.

Lewis was the 6th ranked fantasy DB last year and put up 93 solo tackles. He's just 26 years old and should be entering the prime of his career. Zealots scoring seems to favor playmakers a little more than guys who consistently put up solid tackle numbers. Not sure if that's why he was undervalued or not.

-Why would Kerry Rhodes and Erik Coleman be ranked so closely?  Coleman seems to be the better choice.

I think we had this discussion in the consensus ranking threads. Most people tend to favor Strong Safeties over Free Safeties, so that gives Rhodes a slight edge. Also, Coleman got off to a slow start in 2005 that may have cooled off some people's expectations for him.

-Crumpler over Heap surprises me.  The Witten omission needs to be fixed.

I have Heap at #2 so that surprises me too.

-Eric Johnson seems awfully low - yeah, he's hurt all the time, but I'd rather take a chance with a guy like him who has shown something rather than a guy who will never be anyone's FF TE1 like Putzier or Graham.

Some guys may have left him off because he was injured all last year and Vernon Davis is going to the 49ers in many mock drafts.

-Brady over Palmer really surprises me.

If it weren't for his injury last year, I'd have given very serious consideration to ranking Carson over Peyton. With the Pats losing Givens and Dillon getting old, I'd like to drop Brady but he's just so darn consistent and many of the other top QBs have question marks this year.

-I think the QB rankings are excellent.  Someone left Ramsey off their rankings, though, and I think that was probably an oversight.

I've always been a Ramsey fan and it looks like I have him ranked considerably higher than anyone else.

-Rudi seems slightly high to me.

Consistency. He's been a top-10 RB for 2 years in a row now, plays behind one of the best offensive lines in the league, and has a great QB and WR group to take focus off him and consistently put him in position to score easy TDs.

-Tiki Barber is over 31 years old.  If this is a five-year ranking, what's he doing over Westbrook, McAllister, Jamal Lewis, etc?

Tiki still has only 1889 career rushes and has been a top-10 RB for 3 years in a row. He seems to be getting better with age, not worse and I think he can continue to be a top-15 fantasy RB for another 2 or 3 years.

-Rhodes seems way-overvalued.  Nobody really thinks he'll be the starter, and nobody thinks he would keep the job for more than a year if it happened... so why does everyone rank him so high?

I think he could be the starter in the league's best offense, and at just 27 years old, I think he's ranked about right. If he stayed healthy, I think he could produce for more than a year too. Although that might not be very likely, until they bring in another back on draft day, his potential upside warrants a decent ranking right now, IMO.

-Mike Anderson is something like 33 years old and is penciled in at RB2 for his team.  I'd sure rather take a chance on a guy like Duckett, GJones, or Dayne who at least have youth on their side.

IMO, it kind of depends on how the rest of your roster shapes up. Some dynasty teams need to supplement their young rosters with aging vets who might only have a year or two left. Many thought Droughns was just a product of the Broncos system and look what he did in Cleveland last year. Jamal Lewis was badly outplayed by Chester Taylor last year so maybe Alexander winds up outperforming him this year as well. His average suggests most people have him around the #40 RB spot, which seems reasonable although I bet he will drop going forward as rookies get added and many situations around the league become more clear.

-Fitz over Chad Johnson doesn't seem right to me... it's strange to see after the message board consensus had a clear tier of Chad/Smith/Holt/Moss above the rest of the WRs like Fitz.

As one of the few staffers who didn't rank Fitz #1, I agree that he has a few question marks around him (questionable QB situation, Boldin and James could steal targets, etc.). I like Chad and Steve Smith over him for dynasty purposes right now, but I also think Fitz could be the most talented WR in the league with nearly unlimited upside. Tough to go wrong with any of these guys, but the Arizona QB situation scares me a little and I feel safer with Palmer or Delhomme's #1 targets.

-Owens at 7 baffles me, but I'm a hater so I guess I'll just never get it.  The guy's old, broken down, and his teams bench him because he's a jerk.  He's a great player, but I can't see how he plays more than 30 more games in his career.

Apart from last year when he was suspended, he's never missed more than 2 games in a season so he's not a huge injury risk. And, it's easy to imagine him being a top-10 WR for the next couple years and maybe top-20 for a year or two after that if he wants to.

-DJax is low.

Looks like my ranking is dragging him down a bit, but now I'm not sure why I had him so low. I'll likely be moving him up soon.

-Drew Bennett seems underrated to me.  A guy like Reggie Brown hasn't shown anything to rank him over Bennett IMO.

I have them ranked nearly identically. Bennett was a disappointment last year and now the team has Givens coming in to be the #1 along with 3 promising 2nd year WRs and 3 promising young TEs to take targets from him. Meanwhile Brown seems to be stepping into the #1 WR role for the Eagles without a whole lot of competition beyond Westbrook and LJ Smith.

-I'm glad to see some reality check on Matt Jones.  I like the guy, but the talk this offseason on the boards was that he was a top-10 or top-20 guy, which is nuts at this point - he could be Marc Boerigter.

I have him pretty low at WR46, although I will likely be moving him up a little given his potential. With Jimmy Smith's career winding down, and Reggie Williams looking like a busted pick, Matt Jones could become the #1 target for Leftwich at some point.

-Antonio Bryant seems too low at 72 and unranked by two people.

I have him at 29. Love his talent, but don't like his situation much at all.
 
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Heap has Mason and now Clayton running outside of him, and he can't seem to stay healthy for a full season.
:confused: Heap has played a full season in 3 of the past 4 seasons and finished as a top-3 fantasy TE each time.
 
Kudos on doing the rankings fellas, I know this has been a constant request for the last few years so hats off to you all for doing it :thumbup:

 
Cedric Benson rated significantly lower than Thomas Jones?...in dynasty rankings?  Thats interesting.  No love at all for Cedric, huh?  You guys had Larry Fitz ranked 37 entering last season in redraft, so everyone makes mistakes.  Ill let you slide on the Benson ranking.  Stephen Jackson as high as 6?  These 2 young backs seem to be on the opposite end of the respect spectrum with FBGs, and seem to be quite similar in age, size, skills and prior draft status.  Do you guys really see Thomas Jones factoring in that much with  the Chicago Bears long term future?    If an expert would have time, I am curious as to the reasoning for the positioning....is it that Jones is that good and that firmly entrenched or is that you just dont see it with Benson?  Get back to me on this if you get a chance please.  Much appreciated.
For the record, I had Benson 23, Jones 24.Jones finally got the job done last year, but Benson is chomping right behind him. One ball for two backs (as of today - no trades assumed), that puts them on about equal footing.
Equal footing for 2006 or for a 5-year window?
 
Cedric Benson rated significantly lower than Thomas Jones?...in dynasty rankings? Thats interesting. No love at all for Cedric, huh? You guys had Larry Fitz ranked 37 entering last season in redraft, so everyone makes mistakes. Ill let you slide on the Benson ranking. Stephen Jackson as high as 6? These 2 young backs seem to be on the opposite end of the respect spectrum with FBGs, and seem to be quite similar in age, size, skills and prior draft status. Do you guys really see Thomas Jones factoring in that much with the Chicago Bears long term future? If an expert would have time, I am curious as to the reasoning for the positioning....is it that Jones is that good and that firmly entrenched or is that you just dont see it with Benson? Get back to me on this if you get a chance please. Much appreciated.
For the record, I had Benson 23, Jones 24.Jones finally got the job done last year, but Benson is chomping right behind him. One ball for two backs (as of today - no trades assumed), that puts them on about equal footing.
Equal footing for 2006 or for a 5-year window?
Benson has bigger upside, whereas TJones is Mr. Right Now. Looks to be a RBBC, and it would be hard to choose one vs. the other. I'd like to have both, but I would hate it if they each got 10-15 touches a game. TJones in a Colt uniform would help them both.

 
Cedric Benson rated significantly lower than Thomas Jones?...in dynasty rankings?  Thats interesting.  No love at all for Cedric, huh?  You guys had Larry Fitz ranked 37 entering last season in redraft, so everyone makes mistakes.  Ill let you slide on the Benson ranking.  Stephen Jackson as high as 6?  These 2 young backs seem to be on the opposite end of the respect spectrum with FBGs, and seem to be quite similar in age, size, skills and prior draft status.  Do you guys really see Thomas Jones factoring in that much with  the Chicago Bears long term future?    If an expert would have time, I am curious as to the reasoning for the positioning....is it that Jones is that good and that firmly entrenched or is that you just dont see it with Benson?  Get back to me on this if you get a chance please.  Much appreciated.
For the record, I had Benson 23, Jones 24.Jones finally got the job done last year, but Benson is chomping right behind him. One ball for two backs (as of today - no trades assumed), that puts them on about equal footing.
Equal footing for 2006 or for a 5-year window?
for '06. That will help determine the lead into the 5 yr window. Benson does nothing or gets hurt again and doesnt play, then bad things will happen and Jones may be resigned. If Ced steps up and plays well in whatever time he's given, then he'll obviously be the man for yrs ahead. But for this coming season, no matter what TJ has done in the past, these 2 have equal footing imo, and its anyone's job. In this case, the best man truly will win. I view it basically as similar to the Holmes/Johnson situation where the team just has to work in the younger guy and see what he can do. No diss on Jones, but Benson is a player too, and the only way to find out what he's got is to get him in the game in real situations...not in garbage time with the team far ahead or trailing and not on 3rd down. He's getting his shot this year. I owned...in fact, I drafted Thomas last year and had him for a couple of weeks but traded him because I was crowded in my backfield last year and didnt see THIS year as anything but the Benson show. Ill stand by that.
 
Heap has Mason and now Clayton running outside of him, and he can't seem to stay healthy for a full season.
:confused: Heap has played a full season in 3 of the past 4 seasons and finished as a top-3 fantasy TE each time.
In 2005, Heap was on the injured list 8 weeks. He played through it, even though he likely should not have. He didn't like missing time in 2004, so he pushed to be there in 2005.

Doesn't bode well for his long term durability.

 
In 2005, Heap was on the injured list 8 weeks. He played through it, even though he likely should not have.
and he still finished as a top-3 TE. Personally, I'd rather see my guys show an ability and willingness to effectively play through injuries. This is a huge plus for Heap as far as I'm concerned. So, Mason and Clayton were both around last year, he was less than 100% and the QB play was questionable for much of the year, yet he still produced big numbers and was targeted 7 times/game on average.Heap has 3 top-3 seasons in his career and just turned 26 years old. Crumpler has no top-3 seasons and will turn 29 in December.
 
In 2005, Heap was on the injured list 8 weeks. He played through it, even though he likely should not have.
and he still finished as a top-3 TE. Personally, I'd rather see my guys show an ability and willingness to effectively play through injuries. This is a huge plus for Heap as far as I'm concerned. So, Mason and Clayton were both around last year, he was less than 100% and the QB play was questionable for much of the year, yet he still produced big numbers and was targeted 7 times/game on average.Heap has 3 top-3 seasons in his career and just turned 26 years old. Crumpler has no top-3 seasons and will turn 29 in December.
Heap was grossly underrated last year and will likley be again this year.
 
In 2005, Heap was on the injured list 8 weeks. He played through it, even though he likely should not have.
and he still finished as a top-3 TE. Personally, I'd rather see my guys show an ability and willingness to effectively play through injuries. This is a huge plus for Heap as far as I'm concerned. So, Mason and Clayton were both around last year, he was less than 100% and the QB play was questionable for much of the year, yet he still produced big numbers and was targeted 7 times/game on average.Heap has 3 top-3 seasons in his career and just turned 26 years old. Crumpler has no top-3 seasons and will turn 29 in December.
Let's just look at the numbers, shall we?Points on a game by game basis, 1pt/10yds, no PPR:

Last year:

Heap 3 - 5 - B - 3 - 11 - 13 - 7 - 3 - 2 - 5 - 2 - 20 - 5 - 6 - 23 - 3 - 2Crumpler 5 - 5 - 3 - 7 - 15 - 5 - 6 - B - 6 - 4 - 10 - 22 - 5 - 9 - 1 - 6 - 2Totals were close, Heap 113, Crumper 111. But if you look closer, Heap scored under 5 points 7 games, but Crump only 4 times. So you're going to be disappointed with Heap nearly half of the time, whereas Crumpler is far more consistent.

As for the age, I'd say Heap's body is about 5 years older then his birth certificate.

 
fair enough. they are close enough that it's not really worth arguing about much more than we already have.

 
Great job guys. Thomas Davis needs to be moved to LB, based on Bob's comments regarding Merriman I think a couple are waiting for that to do his ranking.

I'm a Bengals season ticket holder so I'll chime in on Madieu. This kid is a playmaker. Great in run support even though he isn't a big safety - hopefully this doesn't result in future injuries. On top of that he is good at rushing the passer and is a ballhawk in the secondary. I love him in IDP.

 
Sooooo...is the context of these rankings a true dynasy format. For example, you have these players for the remainder of their careers?

Assuming so, Tiki Barber is way too high...and nobody has pimped Tiki like I've pimped Tiki over the years.

 
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Overall it looks like a pretty solid list. :thumbup:

Here are the names that I'd probably have ranked substantially different.

Too High:

Tiki Barber: two more productive years max

Reuben Droughns: Travis Henry

Jamal Lewis: I haven't forgot last year

Cedric Benson: never been a fan, mediocre talent

Dallas Clark: Most chronically overrated TE

Fred Taylor: Father Time

Rudi Johnson: Chris Perry is knockin on the door

Kyle Boller: Why do they want McNair?

Mike Anderson: The backup Baltimore RB is in your top 100?

Chris Brown: :popcorn:

Too Low:

Roethlisberger: Will be very good for a long time

J. Walker: was all-world before injury, most underrated WR

Leftwich: Most underrated QB, about to enter prime

Troupe(not ranked): 50 receptions in year 2, and those numbers can get a lot higher

 
Overall it looks like a pretty solid list. :thumbup:

Here are the names that I'd probably have ranked substantially different.

Too High:

Tiki Barber: two more productive years max

Reuben Droughns: Travis Henry

Jamal Lewis: I haven't forgot last year

Cedric Benson: never been a fan, mediocre talent

Dallas Clark: Most chronically overrated TE

Fred Taylor: Father Time

Rudi Johnson: Chris Perry is knockin on the door

Kyle Boller: Why do they want McNair?

Mike Anderson: The backup Baltimore RB is in your top 100?

Chris Brown: :popcorn:

Too Low:

Roethlisberger: Will be very good for a long time

J. Walker: was all-world before injury, most underrated WR

Leftwich: Most underrated QB, about to enter prime

Troupe(not ranked): 50 receptions in year 2, and those numbers can get a lot higher
Ben's ranked 13th overall.
 
Ben's ranked 13th overall.
I was looking at the defaulted top 100...didn't realize there were expanded lists.Still...13 is too low for Troupe IMHO...and he'd be in my top 100.

Will look at the positional lists sometime tomorrow.

 
as pumped up as i was to see the DYNASTY RANKINGS.. its hard to take them serious when some members are ranking guys like JASON WHITE - QB- TENN

WHITE retired at the start of training camp .. he isnt nor wasnt with Tenn this season .. so the fact that someone actually ranked him in a UP TO DATE rankings makes me wonder :thumbdown:

but it is nice to see some DYNASTY stuff coming out ...... thanx

 
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as pumped up as i was to see the DYNASTY RANKINGS.. its hard to take them serious when some members are ranking guys like JASON WHITE - QB- TENN

WHITE retired at the start of training camp .. he isnt nor wasnt with Tenn this season .. so the fact that someone actually ranked him in a UP TO DATE rankings makes me wonder :thumbdown:
If your biggest issue with my list is my 60th QB, then that's fine by me.I'll be certain to change it to Nall next update.

 
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as pumped up as i was to see the DYNASTY RANKINGS.. its hard to take them serious when some members are ranking guys like JASON WHITE - QB- TENN

WHITE retired at the start of training camp .. he isnt nor wasnt with Tenn this season .. so the fact that someone actually ranked him in a UP TO DATE rankings makes me wonder :thumbdown:

but it is nice to see some DYNASTY stuff coming out ...... thanx
I'll just add that despite 74 QBs being ranked using a 5 year window, there was not one vote for Casey Printers, KC's 2008 starter. Yeah I know, no one believes it - yet. ;)
 
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LOL .. .. just was wierd seeing a guy who retired from football being listed in a rankings .. and yes the 60th ranked QB doesnt really matter .. but since it is a DYNASTY list and there are alot of us who are really intersted in late ranked guys

hey any deep dynasty owners is going to be zeroing in on the bottom guys because those are the guys that might actually either be available or atleast interesting to look at ..

trying to decide between the Cleo Lemons a,J.T Osullivans and C.Printers ... of the world

i just thought possibly

Matt Mauck - Tenn might have been a better guy to rank .. since he is currently the # 3 QB for Tenn.

i dont know if laughing it off is the right way to handle it though.. because alot of people on here consider you a expert ..something to think about

 
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LOL .. it was being said tongue in cheek ...mind you .. just was wierd seeing a guy who retired from football being listed in a rankings ..

hey any deep dynasty owners is going to be zeroing in on the bottom guys because those are the guys that might actually either be available or atleast interesting to look at ..

trying to decide between the Cleo Lemons and J.T Osullivans of the world

i just thought possibly

Matt Mauck - Tenn might have been a better guy to rank .. since he is currently the # 3 QB for Tenn.
Timmy Chang wasn't available :) Frankly if you're digging deeper than 50 you probably have serious issues (or you are in a 32 team league).

 
LOL .. it was being said tongue in cheek ...mind you .. just was wierd seeing a guy who retired from football being listed in a rankings ..

hey any deep dynasty owners is going to be zeroing in on the bottom guys because those are the guys that might actually either be available or atleast interesting to look at ..

trying to decide between the Cleo Lemons and J.T Osullivans of the world

i just thought possibly

Matt Mauck - Tenn might have been a better guy to rank .. since he is currently the # 3 QB for Tenn.
Timmy Chang wasn't available :) Frankly if you're digging deeper than 50 you probably have serious issues (or you are in a 32 team league).
Also - we haven't blended in the rookies yet. That will come after the draft.
 
LOL .. it was being said tongue in cheek ...mind you .. just was wierd seeing a guy who retired from football being listed in a rankings ..

hey any deep dynasty owners is going to be zeroing in on the bottom guys because those are the guys that might actually either be available or atleast interesting to look at ..

trying to decide between the Cleo Lemons and J.T Osullivans of the world

i just thought possibly

Matt Mauck - Tenn might have been a better guy to rank .. since he is currently the # 3 QB for Tenn.
Timmy Chang wasn't available :) Frankly if you're digging deeper than 50 you probably have serious issues (or you are in a 32 team league).
NO not really .. 12 team league .. and 35 man rosters

but we start 2 QB each week . which basically means everyone is always looking for a starting QB or potential starting QB .. basically every QB 1 through 3 on a NFL depth chart is rostered ... and actually TImmy Chang is rostered ...

its sad to see thinking like this... wasnt trying to stir up anything .. but we all have different leageus and some of us are indeed in deep leagues .. and that is the only reason the WHITE thing stood out .... no biggie was just making a observations because people YES do look at the 50 th ranked Qb's in deep leagues ..

 
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Cedric Benson rated significantly lower than Thomas Jones?...in dynasty rankings? Thats interesting. No love at all for Cedric, huh? You guys had Larry Fitz ranked 37 entering last season in redraft, so everyone makes mistakes. Ill let you slide on the Benson ranking. Stephen Jackson as high as 6? These 2 young backs seem to be on the opposite end of the respect spectrum with FBGs, and seem to be quite similar in age, size, skills and prior draft status. Do you guys really see Thomas Jones factoring in that much with the Chicago Bears long term future? If an expert would have time, I am curious as to the reasoning for the positioning....is it that Jones is that good and that firmly entrenched or is that you just dont see it with Benson? Get back to me on this if you get a chance please. Much appreciated.
I'll be happy to respond.Jackson is the named starter in STL. Faulk will have a very minor role this season, and maybe next. Jackson has proven he can play and has shown solid success in the NFL... Almost 400 carries at 4.4 YPC, 12 rushing TDS. Over 60 receptions at 8.2 YPC and a couple TDS there.

Compare that with Benson who had plenty of chances to take over in Chicago last season and came up short MULTIPLE times. The Bears have Grossman at QB who injures himself getting out of the car, Griese who has never had a full 16 game season as a starting QB and Orton who is young, inexperienced and has a long way to go before anyone is 'comfortable' with him starting. They need a back that they can count on to pick up the blitz. Benson failed miserably on that last season.

Jones is going to be a free agent at the end of the 2006 season. If the Bears wanted to trade him, this year would have been the time to do it. Coming off his best season as an NFL back, and during a summer where there was a lot of RB movement (or potential movement anyway)... and they kept Jones in their back pocket.

To me, it's pretty clear that the Bears don't have a lot of confidence in Benson. He may get the carries, he might even be get the majority of the touches in Chicago... but with Bears being a playoff team, in a division that is up for grabs again, with more stability at QB (even if it's QBBC now) and a rock solid defense for 2006, you can bet that if Benson is still struggling, Jones is going to be in there.. not that Jones is SOOO much better than Benson.. but if he gives them a better chance to win, and can keep their QB from going to the infirmary, Jones is going to be in there...

 
LOL .. it was being said tongue in cheek ...mind you .. just was wierd seeing a guy who retired from football being listed in a rankings ..

hey any deep dynasty owners is going to be zeroing in on the bottom guys because those are the guys that might actually either be available or atleast interesting to look at ..

trying to decide between the Cleo Lemons and J.T Osullivans of the world

i just thought possibly

Matt Mauck - Tenn might have been a better guy to rank .. since he is currently the # 3 QB for Tenn.
Timmy Chang wasn't available :) Frankly if you're digging deeper than 50 you probably have serious issues (or you are in a 32 team league).
NO not really .. 12 team league .. and 35 man rosters

but we start 2 QB each week . which basically means everyone is always looking for a starting QB or potential starting QB .. basically every QB 1 through 3 on a NFL depth chart is rostered ... and actually TImmy Chang is rostered ...

its sad to see thinking like this... wasnt trying to stir up anything .. but we all have different leageus and some of us are indeed in deep leagues .. and that is the only reason the WHITE thing stood out .... no biggie was just making a observations because people YES do look at the 50 th ranked Qb's in deep leagues ..
Well your league is unique, and I stand corrected. QB 60 will be different next time.I'll stand behind my other 59, which can be debated another night.

I do have one serious question - is Craig Nall available in that league?

 
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no . he was rostered all year actually

and he was just traded in out league this week for a # 3 rd rookie pick .. and in another league I am in a owner actually offered him to me in a potential deal just last week ...

from all the things i have read and heard .. M>Levy really likes the upside to him and that he was given the promise of competing for the starting QB job ... in deep dynasty leagues . this off-season there has been a little "NALL BUZZ "

so no he would be LONG GONE in most deep dynasty leagues ..... without question ... i noticed a earlier post that you did about Nall ..

I assume you do not play in very deep dynasty leagues ....

Trade REDNECKS gave up Year 2006 Round 3 Draft Pick from REDNECKS

WILDCATZ gave up Nall, Craig BUF QB

Thu Mar 23 8:06:37 p.m. CT 2006

 
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no . he was rostered all year actually

and he was just traded this week for a # 3 rd rookie pick ..

from all the things i have read and heard .. M>Levy really likes the upside to him and that he was given the promise of competing for the starting QB job ...

so no he would be LONG GONE in most deep dynasty leagues ..... without question ... i noticed a earlier post that you did about Nall ..

I assume you do not play in very deep dynasty leagues ....
Not as deep as yours, no. But I do partake in "start 2 QB" leagues, but not in dynasty.We go 16 teams wide, but not 2 QBs deep on the starting ranks. Most dynasty leagues I am involved in are the "wide" vs. "deep", although yours sounds rather interesting.

Another day we can discuss. Have a good evening.

 
-The Willie Parker love is just baffling. I see speed, but not much else. Plenty of burners don't end up carrying the load.

-Foster over Benson is screwy (Non owner of both)

-Perry has showed a bit of an injury bug, but he has also shown me enough to rank him in the Top 30. Gore, Rhodes and Fred Taylor ahead of him is a mistake. I'd have him over Chris Brown in a split second. (Perry owner)

-Santana Moss will come back to earth. They have other options this year so they'll use them.

-I applaud you guys for Evans ranking. (Evans owner)

THANKS FOR DOING THIS GUYS !!!
FWP - People are all over the board on him. I'm seeing him going as high as MID FIRST in some dynasty leagues that are drafting. Mid 2nd round seems about the right spot for him unless Pittsburgh brings in another RB. Top 20, yeah.. top 15.. maybe.. top 10, probably not.Foster - Man I'm a BIG Foster hater.. but I'm drinking the cool-aid on this one only because I LOVE the Keyshawn signing. I think that's going to open up the running game for them and if Foster can stay healthy (big IF.. HUGE IF.. So big of an IF that..... Ok you get the idea)..

Benson - Yeah, I'll believe he's good when he's actually playing less than Adrian Peterson. If he can't block or pick up the blitz, he's not going to be on the field much... their QBS can't take the pounding.

Perry - Injury bug and Rudi has really proven himself the last two seasons. One season might be a fluke, but two 1500 yard seasons has shown he can handle the load... I don't see this situation changing much this year... Rudi running the ball, Perry coming in as a 3rd down, reception heavy back.

Moss - I'll give you that one.. a little... Looking at it now, 9 is probably a bit high for him given that they've added a couple more WR there. I bumpped Cooley down in my rankings because of it, but didn't move Moss down as much as he probably should have gone. I'll give it a day or two and adjust him down a bit..

 
Cedric Benson rated significantly lower than Thomas Jones?...in dynasty rankings?  Thats interesting.  No love at all for Cedric, huh?  You guys had Larry Fitz ranked 37 entering last season in redraft, so everyone makes mistakes.  Ill let you slide on the Benson ranking.  Stephen Jackson as high as 6?  These 2 young backs seem to be on the opposite end of the respect spectrum with FBGs, and seem to be quite similar in age, size, skills and prior draft status.  Do you guys really see Thomas Jones factoring in that much with  the Chicago Bears long term future?    If an expert would have time, I am curious as to the reasoning for the positioning....is it that Jones is that good and that firmly entrenched or is that you just dont see it with Benson?  Get back to me on this if you get a chance please.  Much appreciated.
I'll be happy to respond.Jackson is the named starter in STL. Faulk will have a very minor role this season, and maybe next. Jackson has proven he can play and has shown solid success in the NFL... Almost 400 carries at 4.4 YPC, 12 rushing TDS. Over 60 receptions at 8.2 YPC and a couple TDS there.

Compare that with Benson who had plenty of chances to take over in Chicago last season and came up short MULTIPLE times. The Bears have Grossman at QB who injures himself getting out of the car, Griese who has never had a full 16 game season as a starting QB and Orton who is young, inexperienced and has a long way to go before anyone is 'comfortable' with him starting. They need a back that they can count on to pick up the blitz. Benson failed miserably on that last season.

Jones is going to be a free agent at the end of the 2006 season. If the Bears wanted to trade him, this year would have been the time to do it. Coming off his best season as an NFL back, and during a summer where there was a lot of RB movement (or potential movement anyway)... and they kept Jones in their back pocket.

To me, it's pretty clear that the Bears don't have a lot of confidence in Benson. He may get the carries, he might even be get the majority of the touches in Chicago... but with Bears being a playoff team, in a division that is up for grabs again, with more stability at QB (even if it's QBBC now) and a rock solid defense for 2006, you can bet that if Benson is still struggling, Jones is going to be in there.. not that Jones is SOOO much better than Benson.. but if he gives them a better chance to win, and can keep their QB from going to the infirmary, Jones is going to be in there...
-first, Benson signed late, came in late, and had NO chance. -second, if picking up the blitz was the MAIN reason to keep a RB in the starting lineup, then FBs would be starting throughout the league.

-finally, Grossman has managed to hit the infermary all on his own for 3 straight years without the help or hinderance of Cedric Benson. QB health is NOT a Cedric Benson issue....it is a bad luck issue. Look, Chicago is not trading away Thomas Jones for 2 reasons. One, no team in the league would give them a pick worth his actual value which is probably a 2nd or 3rd rounder. And RB depth is vital. He's far more valuable as a member of this team whether starting or backing up than as conversion for some 5th round or so draft pick. Your point about the Bears going with whichever back gives them the best chance of winning is the only one that matters. In time, we'll see who that is.

 
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Ward at 15 stands out to me as being a very bad ranking. He seems like the next best bet after Chad, Smith, Holt, Boldin, Fitz, and Moss.

 
Guys, we do appreciate the feedback. This is a first for FBG, and I'm glad to be a part of it. I know my numbers / slots don't agree with all, and I'm open and listening for convincing arguments to adjust accordingly.

All the staff put time and effort in to the rankings, but there's no question that they will be jostling around all the way until August, and beyond.
First off, very nice job to those putting the list together - wonderful insight...What I like even more are the intelligent discussions ensuing from those rankings - not the ones where one guest puts up a "my father has a better arm than Volek and should be listed" - but those where a member, ala Tick, post his comments regarding the rankings... Very insightful again to see the staff responding to those comments... to think that there is still 5 months to go prior to the start of the season - and a Thomas Davis thread is looked at by more than 150 guys, is just tremendous...

This is why I'm addicted to this site (compared to a few others I looked at in the past)... the staff is omnipresent and post their comments - while educated members (especially for [DYNASTY] format - which is unmatched at other sites) give their feedback to guys, like me, looking for help with their league...

And for those only looking to point finger at "this guy should not be listed 23rd but at least 15th" - try and put an overall listing - you'll have a hard time to convince yourself after the 4th spot...

Remember that these listings will be updated throughout the off-season (as mentioned above by Jeff)... draft, trades, starter/bench even jail! will have alot to say come September...

Once again, thanks for the geat job (and the feedback thereafter) guys... only Nall is missing from the list :P

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as pumped up as i was to see the DYNASTY RANKINGS.. its hard to take them serious when some members are ranking guys like JASON WHITE - QB- TENN

WHITE retired at the start of training camp .. he isnt nor wasnt with Tenn this season .. so the fact that someone actually ranked him in a UP TO DATE rankings makes me wonder :thumbdown:
If your biggest issue with my list is my 60th QB, then that's fine by me.I'll be certain to change it to Nall next update.
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no . he was rostered all year actually

and he was just traded in out league this week for a # 3 rd rookie pick .. and in another league I am in a owner actually offered him to me in a potential deal just last week ...

from all the things i have read and heard .. M>Levy really likes the upside to him and that he was given the promise of competing for the starting QB job ... in deep dynasty leagues . this off-season there has been a little "NALL BUZZ "

so no he would be LONG GONE in most deep dynasty leagues ..... without question ... i noticed a earlier post that you did about Nall ..

I assume you do not play in very deep dynasty leagues ....

Trade REDNECKS gave up Year 2006 Round 3 Draft Pick from REDNECKS

WILDCATZ gave up Nall, Craig BUF QB

Thu Mar 23 8:06:37 p.m. CT 2006
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-Somone rated Dallas Clark as TE3... now that's just weird.
I have Clark at 5. This will tie into the next comment about Rhodes. With no real viable RB at the moment, Manning is going to push for the TD record again. They are going to throw the ball like the Dolphins of old. Clark stays healthy, and he is a top 5 TE.
-Rhodes seems way-overvalued. Nobody really thinks he'll be the starter, and nobody thinks he would keep the job for more than a year if it happened... so why does everyone rank him so high?
With the comment above, I need to add here that these rankings are liquid. Constantly available for change. As it sits right now today, if I were drafting today, Rhodes is the Starting RB for a high powered Offense. That makes him the 20th RB off the board. If the line up remains the same heading into the season, Mungro is intriguing around the goal line, but you can't call him the starter. Rhodes has the opportunity to take the role, and prove himself. I can find 10-12 teams where he is more valuable than that teams starting RB for this season. He has the opportunity to secure the spot. I don't have alot of faith in it going down like that, but I certainly have to recognize it as we sit today. I expect that the ranking for Rhodes will be one of the most in flux this off season, but today, he's a valuable RB.
 
Nice.

First thing that jumped out at me was the wide variance on KJ, Deuce, and (surprisingly) Antonio Gates.

KJ - ranked between 15 and 42.

Deuce - between 15 and 43.

Gates - between 13 and 36.
I've got Gates at 13... I feel TE is as important as QB. Gates is clearly the #1 TE with a large gap to #2. Gates and Manning are roughly worth the same, and i'm closer every day to putting Gates ahead of Manning, because of the scarcity factor at TE. There are less viable fantasy TEs than fantasy QBs, and less of gap between Manning and the pack than there is between Gates and the pack. I think Gates is an excellent 2nd round pick in redraft this year. If the league is PPR, I would consider him in the first and take him over any WR.

 

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