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there ya go, that would make senseAs an outsider, I think you guys should include rookie picks in your draft as it would be a great valuation gauge prior to the combine and NFL draft.
there ya go, that would make senseAs an outsider, I think you guys should include rookie picks in your draft as it would be a great valuation gauge prior to the combine and NFL draft.
Well whoever each drafter considers to be the BPA would be their perspective on that.If we do BPA, wouldn't we be better off just making our own rankings and creating an aggregate set of rankings between them? I could be misunderstanding you.
Edit: How do you rank players outside of their positional value and a specific setup? For example, QBs score the most and last the longest. Without drafting for a specific setup, and without lineup requirements, it wouldn't make sense to draft anything else until the quality QBs are gone.
But again, I could be misunderstanding you.
Im surprised hes still worth as much as he is. Still being valued around 30th overall. He flashes just enough to tantalize people.Anyone else see this as possibly the time to move devante Parker? If stills resigns with MIA he will pretty much be 3rd in the pecking order (or 4th if you think ajayi gets more targets) and the possibility of adding a te threat, which gase seems to prefer historically. I think his value is still decent at the moment, but could get sunk come free agency.
Flip side, stills leaves and Parker flourishes. I guess the question is will stills chase the $$ in fa or stick with the team. Also have to worry about caroo waiting in the wings.
We could make a google docs spreadsheet and make it public. We could update it periodically. Since FBG's have dropped the ball on dynasty rankings, we'll do our own dammit.Hmmmm, our own rankings, then take the averages and list them. That's an idea.
I'll admit it; I'm tantalized. I'm not sure about 30th overall, but I'm a heedful buyer. I'd take him over Sterling Shepard, to throw a name out there.Im surprised hes still worth as much as he is. Still being valued around 30th overall. He flashes just enough to tantalize people.
I think a short timer works, but I think we should still draft with roster construction and starting reqs in mind. The substitute owners should still take the existing roster into consideration, IMO. I think we'll get a more accurate ADP that way. Otherwise, the RBs are going to fall like rocks and the QBs rise a good deal. But I'm with you on the shorter timer.Well whoever each drafter considers to be the BPA would be their perspective on that.
The point I was trying to get at is that if someone is on the clock but they are not around to make the pick, there shouldn't be an issue with someone else making the pick, even though they may have a very different strategy than the person who was drafting from their slot earlier in the draft. That the results of this shouldn't be thrown off much, and still reflect some form of best player available at a point of the draft people could get a sense about.
I was more trying to get at that having shorter time limits for picks, such as four hours would work by having whoever is around pick for that team so the mock can keep moving.
Not in my league. People would rather have one of the incoming TEs who would definitely be available with picks 10-12 in the 1st. Some talking heads have questioned whether L Green might retire and Steelers might go TE in the 1st. If they do, I'd rather have Howard than Olsen at his age.Greg Olsen in non-ppr...worth a 1st rounder?
This is the first I've heard of this. He's really young. Why would he walk away?Not in my league. People would rather have one of the incoming TEs who would definitely be available with picks 10-12 in the 1st. Some talking heads have questioned whether L Green might retire and Steelers might go TE in the 1st. If they do, I'd rather have Howard than Olsen at his age.
Many concussions, and the most recent came on a hit that wasn't that hard. Just seems susceptible to them, unfortunately.This is the first I've heard of this. He's really young. Why would he walk away?
PhiladelphiaSo trying to a bit of speculating on running back values pre free agency and draft, I think we can all agree this looks like a good rb class coming in, who do we think is set to lose value as they will be replaced or demoted?? who are the guys to unload now? anyone have any that are not obvious?? recently I think back to someone like Tre Mason who seemed to be sitting in a good spot after a decent year and then to get replaced by Gurley. Some obvious ones this year appear to be Jonathan Stewart and Frank Gore based on early mocks. Who else?? Where are all the rookie rbs going to land?
With Abdullah & Riddick coming back from injury and Zenner stepping up I doubt DET takes a RB in the first 5 rounds. Too many other holes to plug.Philadelphia
Washington
Giants
Green Bay
Detroit
Minnesota
Tampa Bay
Jets
Jacksonville
Id say all these teams could be looking to upgrade the RB position this coming year.
Part of my comments are based on mock drafts last season, and having some regrets, which is bound to happen with hindsight.I think a short timer works, but I think we should still draft with roster construction and starting reqs in mind. The substitute owners should still take the existing roster into consideration, IMO. I think we'll get a more accurate ADP that way. Otherwise, the RBs are going to fall like rocks and the QBs rise a good deal. But I'm with you on the shorter timer.
Well of course if they are not obvious, we are merely guessing but here's a few that wouldn't shock me (but would likely shock their owners, like Tre Mason's owners were)So trying to a bit of speculating on running back values pre free agency and draft, I think we can all agree this looks like a good rb class coming in, who do we think is set to lose value as they will be replaced or demoted?? who are the guys to unload now? anyone have any that are not obvious?? recently I think back to someone like Tre Mason who seemed to be sitting in a good spot after a decent year and then to get replaced by Gurley. Some obvious ones this year appear to be Jonathan Stewart and Frank Gore based on early mocks. Who else?? Where are all the rookie rbs going to land?
This is kind of true and even if teams hold until say the late 4th or 5th round those are often still RB's that can come in and foul up someone's situation in a hurry. It's really easier to list out the few RB's who are safe than those that could not suffer small to major value loss.For the most part I would think a lot of teams may be in the market for a rookie RB though.
Assuming PPR?Points well taken, so if some of us are selling rbs now in an effort to avoid the value hit that could be coming, what kind of 2017 rookie pick would it take for you to move some of the guys mentioned, i.e.
CJ Anderson
Booker
Dixon
Yeldon
McKinnon
McKinnon finished the year up strongly.McKinnon probably has little to no value imo, he couldn't get the work this year, when will he. The others I think somewhere in the 2nd to buy or sell right now. Cj/booker likely are back for a year anyway. Dixon could be sunk with a pick, but will still have a role. Yeldon is likely a timeshare next year too, doubt they use an early pick. As a Dixon/booker owner in rebuild mode if I were offered an early 2 I'd consider it.
I agree and he was also banged up a lot early in the season with back and hamstring issues I believe and I think considering how bad the OL was and fact no one could run well behind that OL are worth at least considering he's not as bad as his numbers look.McKinnon finished the year up strongly.
Well he was a converted college QB.McKinnon ran better out of the wildcat than normal formations.
Right. He reads the field better out of that than he does on normal plays. I do think McKinnon is a good shotgun RB and better than Peterson out of that formation which the Vikings are using a lot more recently. So he will have a role with the offense. I just think he will share time with another RB and hopefully one better than Matt Asiata.Well he was a converted college QB.
Points well taken, so if some of us are selling rbs now in an effort to avoid the value hit that could be coming, what kind of 2017 rookie pick would it take for you to move some of the guys mentioned, i.e.
CJ Anderson
Booker
Dixon
Yeldon
McKinnon
I guess I stopped paying attention to Gase once Jay took over. It was a bit of a roller coaster there early on so I am not sure that has been completely wiped away or not. I would like to believe that it has. I still have some doubts. Perhaps unfounded ones.Nobody is taking Ajayi's job anytime soon. Gase has had nothing but praise for him since Ajayi rejoined the ream, and I'm not sure there's a back in the class who would put him on the bench.
I think there's plenty of room to worry about maturity issues with Ajayi. And because he's a RB he'll have a much shorter leash than, say, OBJ. But they're not going to replace him to punish him for what happened earlier. He's their guy until he messes up, his knee gives, or age slows him down. I'd put his Tre Mason risk at 0.I guess I stopped paying attention to Gase once Jay took over. It was a bit of a roller coaster there early on so I am not sure that has been completely wiped away or not. I would like to believe that it has. I still have some doubts. Perhaps unfounded ones.
You have a higher opinion of those three than do I.King of the Jungle said:With Abdullah & Riddick coming back from injury and Zenner stepping up I doubt DET takes a RB in the first 5 rounds. Too many other holes to plug.
I think his knee makes him an enigma. The "bone one bone" talk was BS, but teams obviously saw something that worried them a good deal. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to invest eggs in that basket because of that. If it wasn't for his knee, however, he'd be my RB4.Ajayi is a complete mystery to me on what the future holds. Maybe more than anyone else. Not a guy I am looking to buy. However, if I owned him, I am not sure what it would take to pry him away from me.
Ajayi and Jordan Howard both were major up and down mysteries to me last year. I know I like Howard more of the two but despite how productive both RB's were I don't have any confidence in either of them to pay what I assume is their going rate and would probably lean on moving both while value is high. Not saying I don't like them, just saying I just can't get confident enough in either of them to pay what I assume they cost.Ajayi is a complete mystery to me on what the future holds.
I agree. I'm sure they'd be somewhat comfortable going into the season with that group, but I highly doubt they'd pass up investing in the position because of it, should value dictate.You have a higher opinion of those three than do I.
I think they are both prime examples of why you shouldnt build your teams and invest a lot of value into the RB position.Ajayi and Jordan Howard both were major up and down mysteries to me last year. I know I like Howard more of the two but despite how productive both RB's were I don't have any confidence in either of them to pay what I assume is their going rate and would probably lean on moving both while value is high. Not saying I don't like them, just saying I just can't get confident enough in either of them to pay what I assume they cost.
Guy averaged 3.4 a carry, had 2 tds, and lost touches to jag Asiata. Not exactly a guy I want taking up a spot at this point. He had one good showing week 17.Dr. Octopus said:McKinnon finished the year up strongly.
Double digit scoring from Week 12-17.Guy averaged 3.4 a carry, had 2 tds, and lost touches to jag Asiata. Not exactly a guy I want taking up a spot at this point. He had one good showing week 17.
Seemed pretty obvious to me cj was best Denver back last year by a good marginmenobrown said:On the Denver's. I could see Anderson gone. Guarantees and cap hits for cutting him are up and it's a new staff. He's due $3 million, not insurmountable but if new staff thinks he is more backup material than NFL starter I can see them moving on. I personally think he's more backup material than starter, for sure has never been able to carry large workload for entire season at any level.
Booker did not look good after Anderson went down but at times did look good last year. Also referencing CJ's contract versus his cheap deal and for better or worse I feel more confident of him being in RB mix for Denver than Anderson. I also remind myself of guys over past few seasons like Freeeman, Ajayi, and Mel Gordon who looked like totally different players in year two.
I like Dixon but those comments from Harbaugh at end of the season sure took a little confidence away but I think he's to good to not have a role. Now if someone wants to pay you like he's going to ascend to feature back role you take it, same for anyone on this list.
Yeldon. Interesting because a lot of people have Jags taking Fournette or Cook in mocks but Ivory's contract includes a $3 million guarantee next season. I thought Ivory was a bad signing but I don't think he looked bad last year so much as he just was always hurt. So it could be kind of ironic in that when the Jags signed Ivory it put a huge damper on Yeldon's value but it might actually assist him in surviving an incoming RB this season. He's also awfully young and has shown he can work well in a tandem with another RB but but he's also banged up a lot.
For all these RB's I give them up for an early second. Would have to mull over individually if mid or late second gets it done, in some cases it would. Anything outside round 2 and I'm holding. One thing all these RB's share is functionality to different degrees in the passing game so that makes the evaluation of trade value a little harder for me. I move any of them if someone wants to pay like they might be a feature back but even if all of their teams invest in RB every one of them can still maintain value in PPR leagues but I do not see a scenario where Denver or Jacksonville invested in a RB and still kept Booker/CJ and Ivory/Yeldon so in those cases and addition would likely involve a subtraction.
Not necessarily a high opinion of them but they are a serviceable combination for the offense. Riddick being out really hurt the Lions at the end of season. There are too many other areas that need more attention.You have a higher opinion of those three than do I.
I guess I should be a little more open minded here. I liked him coming into the year, but the fact that min wouldn't lean on him (again, timeshare last time ap was hurt) concerned me. I figured ap would miss at least a couple games and thought McKinnon would be ready as a young vet to take over. Nothing worse than having a guy fall into the best case scenario and fail miserably. Maybe he was banged up, or blame the oline, or the offense as a whole and lack of goal line touches (which Asiata vultures anyway), all of which can't be solved in 1 offseason with no 1st.Double digit scoring from Week 12-17.
I guess I should be a little more open minded here. I liked him coming into the year, but the fact that min wouldn't lean on him (again, timeshare last time ap was hurt) concerned me. I figured ap would miss at least a couple games and thought McKinnon would be ready as a young vet to take over. Nothing worse than having a guy fall into the best case scenario and fail miserably. Maybe he was banged up, or blame the oline, or the offense as a whole and lack of goal line touches (which Asiata vultures anyway), all of which can't be solved in 1 offseason with no 1st.Double digit scoring from Week 12-17.
What if Mixon were to fall into the fourth or fifth round,...?Not necessarily a high opinion of them but they are a serviceable combination for the offense. Riddick being out really hurt the Lions at the end of season. There are too many other areas that need more attention.