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I would keep him unless you were in need at RB at deep at WR.I can get that. He seems like he has a rather high ceiling and a pretty reasonable floor.
I would keep him unless you were in need at RB at deep at WR.I can get that. He seems like he has a rather high ceiling and a pretty reasonable floor.
How does Big Ben's constant retirement talk play into this?What do we have Smith-Schuster ranked at compared to a rookie pick this year in 12 team PPR? Top 5?
Recency bias, CousinsWhy is Diggs being valued more than Sammy? Both have missed games (Diggs has never played a full season), so the injury narrative doesn’t apply. There stat lines are similar but Sammy has the best season between the two. He just got paid top WR $. I’m trying to figure this out.
I personally assume he plays 1-2 more yearsHow does Big Ben's constant retirement talk play into this?
In our currently going initial draft which includes rookie picks, juju went right before 1.04.What do we have Smith-Schuster ranked at compared to a rookie pick this year in 12 team PPR? Top 5?
That seems fine. I'd take him over 1.04 without hesitation. I've got him worth the 1.03 or so.In our currently going initial draft which includes rookie picks, juju went right before 1.04.
Do you agree? I own both players and was looking to swap them in a deal. I was looking at their stats, missed game totals, and trying to figure out why Diggs is a round or two ahead of Sammy. Who would you be buying at their current price?Recency bias, Cousins
Cooper obv didn't go full Boston but you make a very good point. Cooper looked like a TE out there this past season.Cooper reminds me of David Boston. A guy that got so big and jacked up that it affected the stretch and agility required to play receiver.
In short, Cooper just looks...stiff. IMO
In this draft, I guess JuJu would slot in as the 1.3, but I have him higher than Chubb, Michel, Sutton? so I’d need more on top of the 1.3 to move him.That seems fine. I'd take him over 1.04 without hesitation. I've got him worth the 1.03 or so.
Seems fair. If Chubb lands in a great spot, he might just vault ahead of JuJu.In this draft, I guess JuJu would slot in as the 1.3, but I have him higher than Chubb, Michel, Sutton? so I’d need more on top of the 1.3 to move him.
recently bought for 1.8 and J Ross. first offer to me was 1.3 and 1.8 for Freeman. I am low on Ross - curious on his value in 2018?I'm curious about a rookie pick value for D. Freeman. How high in the 1st would I have to offer to have a shot at him?
Good question. I go back and forth on him--buy low or write him off? As this draft class is so deep, I'd likely only pay a late 2nd, at most. I'd take a couple of the QBs over him, as well as a few of my favorite RB/TE sleepers that should slide to that range.recently bought for 1.8 and J Ross. first offer to me was 1.3 and 1.8 for Freeman. I am low on Ross - curious on his value in 2018?
I like Diggs a lot more, but you make a really good point. My argument, I suppose, would be that Sammy is coming off of a healthy, but unproductive season. Diggs' per game numbers have always been solid. I'll fully admit that, when I think about it, my rational doesn't feel especially solid, however.Do you agree? I own both players and was looking to swap them in a deal. I was looking at their stats, missed game totals, and trying to figure out why Diggs is a round or two ahead of Sammy. Who would you be buying at their current price?
I have freeman/Coleman in a league, and every offer I’ve gotten is for both. I wouldn’t sell freeman for less than 1.05 though unless I was full rebuild.recently bought for 1.8 and J Ross. first offer to me was 1.3 and 1.8 for Freeman. I am low on Ross - curious on his value in 2018?
How so? He wins deep.Sammy Watkins in a WCO is near perfect. I look for a big uptick in his numbers.
I think it’s about equal on value. Of course if someone in a Great situation falls to 1.10 you will kick yourself because 1) you could have gotten a great value pick or 2) someone likely would have realized the same thing and paid up for that great value.So I posted this in the trade thread but no one really commented, curious how people are valuing 2019 picks.
Gave 1.10/2.10/3.12
for 2019 1/2/3/4
pretty much random. Could make the playoffs, probably ends up in the middle.
It was during the draft, but not on the clock. I had 3 1sts, he took Moore. Wr wasn’t a need so I decided to take a chance that I get a better pick, and possibly a good pick. It’s a new owner and he inherited a good roster but traded away some talent for picks this year.I think it’s about equal on value. Of course if someone in a Great situation falls to 1.10 you will kick yourself because 1) you could have gotten a great value pick or 2) someone likely would have realized the same thing and paid up for that great value.
Seems like the type of deal that would be available during the draft so I would probably not do it before unless 1) I had too many picks 2) I was getting a more clear win (like 1.10 for 2019 1-4 or 1.10 for mid 2 and 2019 1.)
Seems perfectly reasonable.It was during the draft, but not on the clock. I had 3 1sts, he took Moore. Wr wasn’t a need so I decided to take a chance that I get a better pick, and possibly a good pick. It’s a new owner and he inherited a good roster but traded away some talent for picks this year.
Cooper was injured. He didn't go full Buston.Cooper reminds me of David Boston. A guy that got so big and jacked up that it affected the stretch and agility required to play receiver.
In short, Cooper just looks...stiff. IMO
For starters I think Diggs has been pretty consistently over valued in rankings and ADP for a couple seasons now.Why is Diggs being valued more than Sammy? Both have missed games (Diggs has never played a full season), so the injury narrative doesn’t apply. There stat lines are similar but Sammy has the best season between the two. He just got paid top WR $. I’m trying to figure this out.
From what I am earing the 2019 draft should be strong at WR and likely not as strong at RB.Snorkelson said:So I posted this in the trade thread but no one really commented, curious how people are valuing 2019 picks.
Gave 1.10/2.10/3.12
for 2019 1/2/3/4
pretty much random. Could make the playoffs, probably ends up in the middle.
Thanks for your thoughts and opinions.For starters I think Diggs has been pretty consistently over valued in rankings and ADP for a couple seasons now.
With Cousins now with the Vikings, maybe Diggs will actually justify the ranking in 2018 but he has definitely fallen short of where he has been valued the last two seasons.
Watkins has been a disappointment as well and he has been in the league for a year longer than Diggs has. Watkins has been on 3 teams already in his short career and took a backseat in terms of opportunities to Robert Woods and Cooper Kupp (as well as Gurley) who I don't think many would see happening to Diggs in the same situation.
As far as comparing their injuries, Watkins injury was more serious than what Diggs has dealt with. I think there is more risk with Watkins. One of the Rams games that I watched last season I saw Watkins pull up lame and quit on his route. Goff was extending the play and looking at Watkins the whole way, he was going to get Watkins the ball if he hadn't quit on his route. I assume the reason Watkins quit on this route was due to some sort of pain in his knee, its otherwise inexcusable. So maybe Watkins was affected by his injury more than we know?
Facts
Watkins has missed 12 games over 4 seasons. So averaging 4 games per year missed so far.
Diggs has missed 5 games in 3 seasons or 1.6 games missed per year. The 3 games he missed in 2015 were due to the coaches playing Charles Johnson ahead of Diggs for the first 3 games of Diggs career, even though Diggs likely should have earned the start in training camp.
So their injury history isn't the same. Watkins injuries were more serious. Diggs has missed games and played poorly in others he gutted out due to groin and hamstring injuries. If you look at their profiles at sports injury predictor, Watkins is high risk, Diggs is low risk.
Their stat lines are not really that similar.
Diggs 40 games 291 targets 200 receptions 68.7% catch rate 2472 yards 12.4 ypr 15 TD 5 receptions per game 61.8 yards per game .375 TD per game 8.5 yards per target.
Watkins 51 games 346 targets 192 receptions 55.5% catch rate 3052 yards 15.9 ypr 25 TD 3.7 receptions per game 58.7 yards per game .49 TD per game 8.8 yards per target.
So the difference between them is that Watkins has a higher TD rate and a higher yards per target than Diggs has, even with the much lower catch rate and fewer opportunities per game than Diggs.
I would say that Watkins is closer to the same value in standard scoring leagues while Diggs has been more valuable in PPR leagues because he has more receptions and generally more consistent in his production than Watkins.
Watkins is one year older than Diggs is.
Watkins was the 4th overall pick of the 2014 draft class and considered the best of this epically good WR class.
Diggs was a 5th round pick in 2015 that didn't have as much talent at WR in it as 2014 did.
Generally I think Watkins is a bit under valued and there are some good reasons for that, while DIggs is a bit overvalued and there are some reasons for that as well.
Mayyyybe if I had a roster devoid of talent I'd take the two picks. In most every situation I'd want the 1.1.1.01 vs 1.02/1.03 in ppr
Which side do you prefer in dynasty? It will likely come down to landing spots before there's a clear side. I woke up with that offer in my inbox and am curious what your opinions are.
If Watkins can stay healthy and play through every whistle I think he has more upside than Diggs. Watins could be a top 12 WR with health and opportunity.Thanks for your thoughts and opinions.
Do you not put much stock into the interest Sammy received during free agency? He got paid BIGGG money by guys who make a living evaluating players, injuries, etc.. I know there's a difference between IRL and fantasy, just pointing it out because it's something that shouldn't be ignored. Three teams for Sammy is irrelevant to me because the Bills reset their whole roster and LAR wanted to re-sign him. Sammy comes off as alpha and would like to see more than 70 targets or whatever he received from Goff, we shouldn't knock him for moving onto greener pastures.
It's an interesting debate, imo. I'm excited to see how both careers play out as they're moving into their primes.
I have the 1.01 and probably wouldn't take that but if you were in a league where you could trade the 1.03 for a good WR then I might. Guice and a receiver like JuJu might be equal value.1.01 vs 1.02/1.03 in ppr
Which side do you prefer in dynasty? It will likely come down to landing spots before there's a clear side. I woke up with that offer in my inbox and am curious what your opinions are.
1.01, but fair.1.01 vs 1.02/1.03 in ppr
Which side do you prefer in dynasty? It will likely come down to landing spots before there's a clear side. I woke up with that offer in my inbox and am curious what your opinions are.
I drafted kittle in 3/3 leagues last year late, and have moved him in 2 and have had some offers in the other, but I want to keep one share.Who are some TEs you guys are buying or trying to buy right now? Dynasty perspective, but if you are instead thinking short term production, I would still like to hear your thoughts,.
I picked up Roberts in a couple of leagues, but have been thinking about trying for a "safer" or more traditional high upside TE. I also picked up McDonald in the league where he was on the waiver wire, but similar to Roberts I have been thinking about trying to supplement that with a bigger name. Now that I have had them for a couple of weeks, I have been rethinking that and am becoming more open to seeing what I have with them instead of spending a lot to get a bigger name.I drafted kittle in 3/3 leagues last year late, and have moved him in 2 and have had some offers in the other, but I want to keep one share.
Couple guys that could be on waivers right now that could be factors-
vance McDonald- acquired last year, he didn’t really do much during the season. In the playoffs Ben looked to him a lot. If he gets the PT he could be a solid option
michael Roberts- not going to wow you with athleticism, but he could be the starter, uses his body to shield defenders, and has huge hands.
I could see Kyle Rudolph being a nice safe floor option that could take a step forward.I picked up Roberts in a couple of leagues, but have been thinking about trying for a "safer" or more traditional high upside TE. I also picked up McDonald in the league where he was on the waiver wire, but similar to Roberts I have been thinking about trying to supplement that with a bigger name. Now that I have had them for a couple of weeks, I have been rethinking that and am becoming more open to seeing what I have with them instead of spending a lot to get a bigger name.
Until Walker leaves, I think this is roughly the order it should be in. Anderson is in an OK spot unless they really decide not to use him for some reason, he isnt a good blocker so he might find himself in a very situational role. Doesnt necessarily mean anything for FF purposes.Stephen Anderson in Houston?
Seal-Jones in Arizona?
Vance McDonald in Pittsburgh?
Jonnu Smith in Tennessee?
That's interesting. Would depend on need. If your team is deep but needs an elite talent, keep the 1.01. If your team is lacking RB talent, take the 1.02 and 1.03 and hope Barkley goes somewhere less than ideal and two guys end up in great spots. If really talent depleted, could draft one RB and trade back again.1.01 vs 1.02/1.03 in ppr
Which side do you prefer in dynasty? It will likely come down to landing spots before there's a clear side. I woke up with that offer in my inbox and am curious what your opinions are.
I am trying to get Howard and Everett if I can get them for cheaper than they were this time last year. I'd also take a gamble on Eifert if it was a good value play.Who are some TEs you guys are buying or trying to buy right now? Dynasty perspective, but if you are instead thinking short term production, I would still like to hear your thoughts,.
I agree with most of what you are saying. I really like Jonnu Smith, but his opportunity is blocked unil Walker moves on. He is still the guy I would prefer to have out of the other options that were listed.Until Walker leaves, I think this is roughly the order it should be in. Anderson is in an OK spot unless they really decide not to use him for some reason, he isnt a good blocker so he might find himself in a very situational role. Doesnt necessarily mean anything for FF purposes.
If Walker loses his spot, gets traded or hurt I would put Jonnu at the top of this list.
RSJ intrigues me. I didnt like his situation with Arians being the coach, because he rarely throws to TE, but a new coach and offense, probably a rookie qb at some point are all good things for a huge RZ target
Vance sucks
To be clear I wasn't ranking them this way. It's just a few cheap options that might turn into something. All longshots.Stephen Anderson in Houston?
Seal-Jones in Arizona?
Vance McDonald in Pittsburgh?
Jonnu Smith in Tennessee?
As a share holder in one PPR league, I'd sell for a 2nd or better. Otherwise I'd keep him to see if he pans out.With CJ getting cut, what is the fair value in terms of a rookie pick pre-draft for Booker right now, if one were gambling what is the right sell/buy price?
I don't own him, but would happily sell him for a 2nd. Maybe even a 3rd, on the clock. He's looked thoroughly underwhelming to me.As a share holder in one PPR league, I'd sell for a 2nd or better. Otherwise I'd keep him to see if he pans out.
I am a fan of Devontae Booker in Utah and I thought he would prove to be a lot better player than he has so far with the Broncos.With CJ getting cut, what is the fair value in terms of a rookie pick pre-draft for Booker right now, if one were gambling what is the right sell/buy price?
He was traded in a PPR league for a late 2019 1st and 3rd.How are you guys feeling about Thielen? Where would you value him in the rookie draft?
That’s bad.He was traded in a PPR league for a late 2019 1st and 3rd.
I've tried to buy him at that price and been laughed at.He was traded in a PPR league for a late 2019 1st and 3rd.