Eagles Rumored Switch to 3-4 (1 Viewer)

[Illegal Pants Downfield]

Lots of rumors swirling around an expected shift to a 3-4 defense in Philly.Wondering what people think the impact will be on key IDPs?Will both Trent Cole & Brandon Graham be moved to OLB?Will Demeco Ryans be the WILB? Rumors that Ryans might be traded...Who would be the SILB...Kendricks? Jamar Chaney got some late-season playing time. Is he in the mix, or is he officially relegated to bench depth or worse in both NFL & FFL?Do both Fletcher Cox & Cullen Jenkins move to DE? Do they have a Nose Tackle on the roster?Does this impact the safeties at all (who have historically been good producers, even when they haven't necessarily been great NFL players)?

 

[saintfool]

*could* shift to 3-4 but they haven't decided on a DC yet. even if they do switch, they likely will use a mix of looks because of their personnel. check the Eagles thread in the shark pool with some good analysis collected for consumption. there are a lot of opinions out there.

 

[Shane Falco]

Lots of rumors swirling around an expected shift to a 3-4 defense in Philly.

Wondering what people think the impact will be on key IDPs? Hard to say since some could be purged with the new HC/DC

Will both Trent Cole & Brandon Graham be moved to OLB? I would Assume graham at OLB and expect Cole to be gone, if he stays it has to be at OLB though Curry was looked at as an OLB prior to the draft

Will Demeco Ryans be the WILB? Rumors that Ryans might be traded... If Ryans leaves he would be cut IMO, he may be too old and too big of a salary to be traded and yes, he is ripe for release

Who would be the SILB...Kendricks? Likely since they are so thin at LB, Matthews could be in play as a former Oregon player

Jamar Chaney got some late-season playing time. Is he in the mix, or is he officially relegated to bench depth or worse in both NFL & FFL? Chaney isn't very good

Do both Fletcher Cox & Cullen Jenkins move to DE? Yes

Do they have a Nose Tackle on the roster? No, they need a FA or in the draft. Lots of speculation that they could take one at 1.04

Does this impact the safeties at all (who have historically been good producers, even when they haven't necessarily been great NFL players)? Not really but they need at least one and probably 2. Coleman is mediocre, Allen I like a bit but who knows what the new staff will do

 

[BC3]

What about Casey Matthews? Former Oregon duck played in 3-4 in college.

 

[saintfool]

looks like they have their DC finally. What does his 3-4 mean for IDP? anyone know who proved valuable under his scheme in years prior?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

looks like they have their DC finally. What does his 3-4 mean for IDP? anyone know who proved valuable under his scheme in years prior?

It really hurts the value of MLB DeMeco Ryans IMHO, I'm not even sure if they will decide to keep him. DeMeco struggled when Houston made the switch to the 3-4. When he had his shot to get away from that scheme as a free agent he sought out a 4-3 team so he could play the middle in that scheme again and his past season showed he still can be effective as a 4-3 MLB. I don't think he likes's the 3-4 and IDP-wise he's not a very good fit at one of the inside linebacker spots in a 3-4. I'm also not sure if LB Mychal Kendricks Height: 5-11 Weight: 239 lbs, fits either. They might be forced to go with both of them inside but they don't appear to be great fits. Maybe LB Casey Mathews has a shot.The Eagles lack someone who can play nose tackle to make any sort of 3-4 scheme work so if DT/NT Star Lotulelei 6’3 320 lbs Utah falls to them, its not out of the question that he could be their top choice. It wouldn't be popular since they used the 12th pick in last year's first round on DT Fletcher Cox Height: 6-4 Weight: 298 lbs. Fletcher made the All-Rookie team so he has the talent to fit at one of the 3-4 DE spots but it doesn't make sense to try and plug him in at the nose since he lacks the girth to be effective.

I think they can plug some of those talented young 4-3 DEs, Vinny Curry and Brandon Graham, as 3-4 OLBs. So they already have some untapped talent to provide a 'reasonable' chance to fill those positions but they haven't got anyone at the point of attack at the nose.

Billy Davis most recent work is with linebackers so it appears he can help out most in converting 4-3 DEs into 3-4 OLBers. He also helped make DMC a Pro Bowl corner with the Cards so I think he can take those talented corners and fit them into his scheme but the biggest/ugliest/most glaring hole personnel-wise on that defense is at nose tackle.

I'm not sure of what they've got at safety.

I think the IDP guys to target might be Graham and Curry but its early.

They could do anything with their top pick, even QB, but I would not be surprised at all if they wind up taking a big NT type and DT/NT Star Lotulelei 6’3 320 lbs could be thee-guy if he falls to them.

 

[Shane Falco]

looks like they have their DC finally. What does his 3-4 mean for IDP? anyone know who proved valuable under his scheme in years prior?

It really hurts the value of MLB DeMeco Ryans IMHO, I'm not even sure if they will decide to keep him. DeMeco struggled when Houston made the switch to the 3-4. When he had his shot to get away from that scheme as a free agent he sought out a 4-3 team so he could play the middle in that scheme again and his past season showed he still can be effective as a 4-3 MLB. I don't think he likes's the 3-4 and IDP-wise he's not a very good fit at one of the inside linebacker spots in a 3-4. I'm also not sure if LB Mychal Kendricks Height: 5-11 Weight: 239 lbs, fits either. They might be forced to go with both of them inside but they don't appear to be great fits. Maybe LB Casey Mathews has a shot.

Just to clarify- Its still speculative about how well Ryans would do in a 3-4 since the couple years he was in HOU's he was injured with his elbow than the Achilles. Likely it isn't the best fit but he hasn't been healthy and in the system long enough to really learn it well.Also he was traded to Phila and has yet to be a FA so we can't say that he sought out a 4-3 team.

Kendrick is probably under-sized for a 3-4 but it looks like he'll be there at least 1 year since there is no one else. Casey Matthews stunk in a 4-3 and is undersized for any sort of 3-4 alignment. Jeez and stunk is probably being nice. Blown away at the point of attack, poor pursuit and he can't cover. He's also too small to rush the passer like his brother. The only LBs on the current roster that are capable or even being passable are Ryans and Kendrick. The rest are replacement level talent at best. IMHO

As for the rest, I agree with you

Graham and Curry may be OLB targets but only in big-play leagues

 

[Bracie Smathers]

looks like they have their DC finally. What does his 3-4 mean for IDP? anyone know who proved valuable under his scheme in years prior?

It really hurts the value of MLB DeMeco Ryans IMHO, I'm not even sure if they will decide to keep him. DeMeco struggled when Houston made the switch to the 3-4. When he had his shot to get away from that scheme as a free agent he sought out a 4-3 team so he could play the middle in that scheme again and his past season showed he still can be effective as a 4-3 MLB. I don't think he likes's the 3-4 and IDP-wise he's not a very good fit at one of the inside linebacker spots in a 3-4. I'm also not sure if LB Mychal Kendricks Height: 5-11 Weight: 239 lbs, fits either. They might be forced to go with both of them inside but they don't appear to be great fits. Maybe LB Casey Mathews has a shot.

Just to clarify- Its still speculative about how well Ryans would do in a 3-4 since the couple years he was in HOU's he was injured with his elbow than the Achilles. Likely it isn't the best fit but he hasn't been healthy and in the system long enough to really learn it well.Also he was traded to Phila and has yet to be a FA so we can't say that he sought out a 4-3 team.

Kendrick is probably under-sized for a 3-4 but it looks like he'll be there at least 1 year since there is no one else. Casey Matthews stunk in a 4-3 and is undersized for any sort of 3-4 alignment. Jeez and stunk is probably being nice. Blown away at the point of attack, poor pursuit and he can't cover. He's also too small to rush the passer like his brother. The only LBs on the current roster that are capable or even being passable are Ryans and Kendrick. The rest are replacement level talent at best. IMHO

As for the rest, I agree with you

Graham and Curry may be OLB targets but only in big-play leagues

Ah, didn't know he was traded but that trade made sense where DeMeco would be shipped to a needy 4-3 team to man the middle.I grabbed him last year and he was 'effective' last year, not great, only effective in my scoring system.

Now I think he's not an effective IDP starter, at least in my system.

Ofcourse if they don't get an effective nose tackle and if DeMeco can stay healthy if guards and centers aren't tied up at the point of attack, then he might be the beneficiary of having a sieve D-Line but I've seen too many undersized 4-3 MLBers who have been square-pegged into round hole making a sketchy conversion to an inside 3-4 LB and then getting battered and worn down with nagging injuries due to taking on un-covered OGs and centers.

I think Cleveland Browns MLB D'Qwell Jackson is also going to struggle with the Browns conversion from the 4-3 to the 3-4. Both as an NFL player and as an IDP player.

When I heard the Eagles were making the conversion the first thing I thought was, so-long IDP stats for MLB DeMeco Ryans.

Just think he'll be hurt moreso than any other 'Iggle'.

 

[saintfool]

Just to clarify- Its still speculative about how well Ryans would do in a 3-4 since the couple years he was in HOU's he was injured with his elbow than the Achilles. Likely it isn't the best fit but he hasn't been healthy and in the system long enough to really learn it well.Also he was traded to Phila and has yet to be a FA so we can't say that he sought out a 4-3 team.Kendrick is probably under-sized for a 3-4 but it looks like he'll be there at least 1 year since there is no one else. Casey Matthews stunk in a 4-3 and is undersized for any sort of 3-4 alignment. Jeez and stunk is probably being nice. Blown away at the point of attack, poor pursuit and he can't cover. He's also too small to rush the passer like his brother. The only LBs on the current roster that are capable or even being passable are Ryans and Kendrick. The rest are replacement level talent at best. IMHOAs for the rest, I agree with youGraham and Curry may be OLB targets but only in big-play leagues

great rundown for FF purposes. as someone that has curry, graham and cox in a dynasty format, i'll be moving on.

 

[Shane Falco]

looks like they have their DC finally. What does his 3-4 mean for IDP? anyone know who proved valuable under his scheme in years prior?

It really hurts the value of MLB DeMeco Ryans IMHO, I'm not even sure if they will decide to keep him. DeMeco struggled when Houston made the switch to the 3-4. When he had his shot to get away from that scheme as a free agent he sought out a 4-3 team so he could play the middle in that scheme again and his past season showed he still can be effective as a 4-3 MLB. I don't think he likes's the 3-4 and IDP-wise he's not a very good fit at one of the inside linebacker spots in a 3-4. I'm also not sure if LB Mychal Kendricks Height: 5-11 Weight: 239 lbs, fits either. They might be forced to go with both of them inside but they don't appear to be great fits. Maybe LB Casey Mathews has a shot.

Just to clarify- Its still speculative about how well Ryans would do in a 3-4 since the couple years he was in HOU's he was injured with his elbow than the Achilles. Likely it isn't the best fit but he hasn't been healthy and in the system long enough to really learn it well.Also he was traded to Phila and has yet to be a FA so we can't say that he sought out a 4-3 team.

Kendrick is probably under-sized for a 3-4 but it looks like he'll be there at least 1 year since there is no one else. Casey Matthews stunk in a 4-3 and is undersized for any sort of 3-4 alignment. Jeez and stunk is probably being nice. Blown away at the point of attack, poor pursuit and he can't cover. He's also too small to rush the passer like his brother. The only LBs on the current roster that are capable or even being passable are Ryans and Kendrick. The rest are replacement level talent at best. IMHO

As for the rest, I agree with you

Graham and Curry may be OLB targets but only in big-play leagues

Ah, didn't know he was traded but that trade made sense where DeMeco would be shipped to a needy 4-3 team to man the middle.I grabbed him last year and he was 'effective' last year, not great, only effective in my scoring system.

Now I think he's not an effective IDP starter, at least in my system.

Ofcourse if they don't get an effective nose tackle and if DeMeco can stay healthy if guards and centers aren't tied up at the point of attack, then he might be the beneficiary of having a sieve D-Line but I've seen too many undersized 4-3 MLBers who have been square-pegged into round hole making a sketchy conversion to an inside 3-4 LB and then getting battered and worn down with nagging injuries due to taking on un-covered OGs and centers.

I think Cleveland Browns MLB D'Qwell Jackson is also going to struggle with the Browns conversion from the 4-3 to the 3-4. Both as an NFL player and as an IDP player.

When I heard the Eagles were making the conversion the first thing I thought was, so-long IDP stats for MLB DeMeco Ryans.

Just think he'll be hurt moreso than any other 'Iggle'.

yeah, at best he'll be passable and I think he's really on the down-side. Without a DT (hopefully they can get on at 1.04)and another solid ILB he could be exposed badly. I think this D is going to be really bad. They OLBs are probably poor fits since they may not be able to cover and the secondary is in shambles. The only good part is they have a couple good 3-4 DEs.Not even mentioning their new DC has a pretty poor track record

Oh and please don't say Iggles. TIA

 

[scothawk]

Time to sell Kendricks?

 

[MindCrime]

Time to sell Kendricks?

Was his value that high a month ago that this switch means the bottom has fallen out? You most likely invested a 1st/2nd rd pick on him last year, and didn't get much from him. He's got to be a hold in larger leagues, IMO. The value you get in a trade now is peanuts, vs. the potential that the new coach/scheme actually allows him to shine. He may not be the perfect fit in the scheme, but you have to hope for some return on your investment.

 

[scothawk]

Time to sell Kendricks?

Was his value that high a month ago that this switch means the bottom has fallen out? You most likely invested a 1st/2nd rd pick on him last year, and didn't get much from him. He's got to be a hold in larger leagues, IMO. The value you get in a trade now is peanuts, vs. the potential that the new coach/scheme actually allows him to shine. He may not be the perfect fit in the scheme, but you have to hope for some return on your investment.

This is a start 4LB league so there is a need and most starters have value. I picked him up for a 3rd last year and think i could probably get that back for him right now. Think I might hold for now and look at either selling him on rookie draft day or after a big game at the start of the season.

 

[ummich10]

Time to sell Kendricks?

Was his value that high a month ago that this switch means the bottom has fallen out? You most likely invested a 1st/2nd rd pick on him last year, and didn't get much from him. He's got to be a hold in larger leagues, IMO. The value you get in a trade now is peanuts, vs. the potential that the new coach/scheme actually allows him to shine. He may not be the perfect fit in the scheme, but you have to hope for some return on your investment.