GrantK
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Bears are fortunate the Eagles stood around and didn't recover it, both teams were dumb.
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Eagles vs Bears - NFC Wild Card - Henceforth Known as the Double Doink Game (2 Viewers)
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OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
Parkey is NAILS
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
This right here. Even if there was a recovery, since it was blown dead, would eagles have been awarded possession? I think no.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
May the better FG kicker win.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
If there is no clear recovery, the ball stays with the offense. That's the rule and that's how it's applied to dozens of other plays.
"If there's no clear recovery, we just make the result something completely different like calling it an incomplete pass" is certainly not the rule.
"If there's no clear recovery, we just make the result something completely different like calling it an incomplete pass" is certainly not the rule.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
modogg
Footballguy
yeah, leaning this way. outside of Jenkins, most of the secondary has only played a handful of NFL games. they should have had the instinct to grab the ball just in case
Todem
Footballguy
KCitons
Footballguy
The ref was standing next to the ball waiving his arms that it was incomplete. If players fight for the ball after the whistle, they risk a late hit penalty.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
That was the NFL at its worst. Vague rule + confused refs + tv slomo = refs protecting themselves.
The General
Footballguy
Happened to be "near"???he was getting blocked and pulled down and his hand was extended. happened to be near the guy's facemask. Dumb call. I know Cowboys fans are used to seeing horrible calls all the time because if it doesn't go Dallas way in Dallas it is wrong, but this one was
Ok. .....God you guys whine. Dallas needs you guys to win, so luckily the screw job the Bears got on that catch worked in both our favors.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
This is no different than when a QB gets hit as he throws and they initially rule it incomplete, but then on review determine it was a fumble but with no clear recovery it just counts as a sack where the QB threw it. The result should have been the same here, ball dead where it was ruled a fumble.
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
So far, all of the Bears points have come off of bad/crazy calls by therefs.
The Frankman
Footballguy
And that's the sticking point here. If the offensive team fumbled it and there is no clear recovery, it would stay with the offense at the spot of the catch. You can't wipe out the catch, that makes no sense...
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
If there is no clear recovery then the ball is dead where it was fumbled. That's how the rule has been since the day they started allowing fumbles that were blown dead to be reviewed and it has been enforced that way many times.
The General
Footballguy
shadyridr
Footballguy
The call on the field was an interception. It was a catch, fumble, with no recovery after replay. How is that bears ball? Eagles have equal rights to it so call on field stands.
Todem
Footballguy
The Frankman
Footballguy
The wording that the refs used was it was incomplete because "there was no clear recovery"... that's asinine.
I think you're talking about another play, no?
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Man In The Box
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shadyridr
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OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
They just showed a local commercial for a Cajun/NOLA type restaurant called Crab in a Bag.
Every time the VO guy says the name it sounds like Crap in a Bag. Somebody didn’t think it through.
Every time the VO guy says the name it sounds like Crap in a Bag. Somebody didn’t think it through.
Todem
Footballguy
Because they made a call.......screw the freaking replay....they blew the whistle!!!!! That’s it. You blow the whistle you stop play. How can it be a reception then a fumble when they blew the whistle which tells players.....STOP PLAYING!!! No recovery because the ref picked the ball up.
Again...it is a circus because of all the replay BS we are subjected too.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
I think what the ref meant is "Because there was no clear recovery, we cannot use replay to change the call on the field."
At least, I hope that's what he meant.
shadyridr
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
Howard averaged 5 yards a carry in the first half. Feed him!
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
It does happen. Most commonly on plays where a QB gets hit as he throws and it is ruled incomplete, but is determined to be a fumble on replay. In those scenarios (when the ball is often just left sitting on the field) it is considered a sack and the play is dead where the QB lost the ball. They don't just arbitrarily rule it incomplete even though replay determined it was a fumble.
Same thing with a player lunging into the endzone. If replay determined he actually fumbled the ball before breaking the plane but no one picked it up (or the recovery wasn't clear) they don't just arbitrarily leave it as a TD even when replay shows it clearly wasn't. Instead they go back and spot the ball where the runner fumbled it.
This was the same.
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modogg
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Billy Bats
Footballguy
The #### you expect them to do when a ref is blowing the whistle and signaling incomplete pass while he’s standing next to the ball? The #### out of here with that nonsense.
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The Frankman
Footballguy
I'm willing to believe that the refs got confused and used bad wording there... what I'm waiting for after the game is the refs' official ruling on the play. If they say that wasn't a catch then that flies in the face of the new rule changes. Also, why did the refs move everyone up the field?
EDIT: Wait ARE THEY SAYING WIPE OUT A CATCH BECAUSE THERE WAS NO CLEAR RECOVERY AFTER THEY THEMSELVES BLEW THE WHISTLE DEAD? WTF?
EDIT: Wait ARE THEY SAYING WIPE OUT A CATCH BECAUSE THERE WAS NO CLEAR RECOVERY AFTER THEY THEMSELVES BLEW THE WHISTLE DEAD? WTF?
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Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
Yea, he did a terrible job explaining it. It was play stands as called regardless of what a cop out that was.
The General
Footballguy
shadyridr
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
unckeyherb
Footballguy
Should have been fumble, no recovery, dead ball and bears ball on the five. But I’ll take the asinine call instead.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
We stopped in Bako today for breakfast. There's one on Union Ave, swear to God (we didn't eat there).
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Add “nonsensical explanation” to that list.
They look a bit less foolish if they say “the ruling on the field stands, incomplete pass” and leave it at that. How they tried to explain it was completely dumb.
[scooter]
Footballguy
Rule 7 from the NFL Rulebook:
"An official shall declare the ball dead and the down ended:
(i) when a loose ball comes to rest anywhere in the field, and no player attempts to recover it; the official covering the play should pause momentarily before signaling that the ball is dead. Any legal (or illegal) kick is awarded to the receivers, and any other ball is awarded to the team last in possession. When awarded to a team behind a goal line, the ball is placed on the one-yard line."
However, that rule apparently did not apply in this case because the initial call was "incomplete pass", not "fumble".
