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LHUCKS

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After the MB team was announced East Bay Funk took the initiative of inviting 12 of what he considered the best remaining MB'ers to participate in his own survivor draft.

The 12 included such messageboard celebrities( :D ) as,

- TurboPunch(winner of the FBG 15K Contest)

- purplehaze67(winner of FBG Survivor II)

- footballman-69696969(winner of MBSL Leagues)

- Other various MB regulars that are well known for their insight/knowledge

Same scoring rules as the MB/Staff Challenge so this should be a great primer, as well as a great comparison draft for next week's release of the FBG vs. MB Draft.

Here are the results in the order of our draft positions...

Purplehaze

Pick Pos Player Team

06.12 QB Chad Pennington NYJ/3

09.01 QB Josh McCown Ari/6

01.01 RB Priest Holmes KC/5

03.01 RB Julius Jones - R Dal/4

04.12 RB T.J. Duckett Atl/9

05.01 RB Warrick Dunn Atl/9

19.01 RB Larry Johnson KC/5

02.12 WR Chad Johnson Cin/5

07.01 WR Isaac Bruce StL/8

08.12 WR Ashley Lelie Den/10

11.01 WR Jerry Rice Oak/10

15.01 WR Rashaun Woods - R SF/7

20.12 WR Dez White Atl/9

10.12 TE Freddie Jones Ari/6

12.12 TE Bubba Franks GB/9

16.12 PK Matt Stover Bal/6

17.01 PK Josh Brown Sea/4

13.01 DE Philadelphia Phi/5

14.12 DE Minnesota Min/4

18.12 DE Indianapolis Ind/6

LHUCKS

Pick Pos Player Team

07.02 QB Jake Plummer Den/10

06.11 QB Brett Favre GB/9

11.02 QB Rex Grossman Chi/5

01.02 RB LaDainian Tomlinson SD/10

02.11 RB Travis Henry Buf/3

04.11 RB Lee Suggs Cle/8

05.02 RB William Green Cle/8

03.02 WR Hines Ward Pit/7

08.11 WR Javon Walker GB/9

09.02 WR Peter Warrick Cin/5

14.11 WR Joey Galloway TB/8

15.02 WR Johnnie Morton KC/5

16.11 WR Travis Taylor Bal/6

20.11 WR Brandon Stokley Ind/6

10.11 TE Randy McMichael Mia/10

12.11 TE Jason Witten Dal/4

17.02 PK John Kasay Car/3

18.11 PK Olindo Mare Mia/10

19.02 DE Chicago Chi/5

13.02 DE Jacksonville Jac/9

bueno

Pick Pos Player Team

03.03 QB Peyton Manning Ind/6

06.10 QB Steve McNair Ten/9

01.03 RB Ahman Green GB/9

02.10 RB Stephen Davis Car/3

17.03 RB Najeh Davenport GB/9

08.10 RB Steven Jackson - R StL/8

12.10 RB Musa Smith Bal/6

04.10 WR Anquan Boldin Ari/6

05.03 WR Darrell Jackson Sea/4

09.03 WR Marcus Robinson Min/4

13.03 WR Tyrone Calico Ten/9

15.03 WR Troy Brown NE/3

20.10 WR Antwaan Randle El Pit/7

07.03 TE Alge Crumpler Atl/9

19.03 TE Jed Weaver Den/10

16.10 PK Adam Vinatieri NE/3

14.10 PK David Akers Phi/5

18.10 PK Sebastian Janikowski Oak/10

10.10 DE Baltimore Bal/6

11.03 DE Carolina Car/3

JAA

Pick Pos Player Team

02.09 QB Daunte Culpepper Min/4

06.09 QB Marc Bulger StL/8

01.04 RB Deuce McAllister NO/8

03.04 RB Rudi Johnson Cin/5

10.09 RB Anthony Thomas Chi/5

09.04 RB Tyrone Wheatley Oak/10

08.09 RB Amos Zereoue Oak/10

11.04 RB Tony Hollings Hou/7

14.09 RB Cedric Cobbs - R NE/3

07.04 WR Amani Toomer NYG/6

05.04 WR Chris Chambers Mia/10

12.09 WR Brandon Lloyd SF/7

13.04 WR Roy Williams - R Det/4

15.04 WR Lee Evans - R Buf/3

04.09 TE Todd Heap Bal/6

16.09 TE Anthony Becht NYJ/3

17.04 PK Aaron Elling Min/4

20.09 PK Rian Lindell Buf/3

19.04 DE Cleveland Cle/8

18.09 DE Cincinnati Cin/5

BassNBrew

Pick Pos Player Team

08.08 QB Brad Johnson TB/8

09.05 QB Joey Harrington Det/4

12.08 QB Tim Rattay SF/7

01.05 RB Clinton Portis Was/7

02.08 RB Tiki Barber NYG/6

06.08 RB DeShaun Foster Car/3

18.08 RB Ron Dayne NYG/6

14.08 RB Lamont Jordan NYJ/3

04.08 WR Steve Smith Car/3

05.05 WR Koren Robinson Sea/4

07.05 WR Jerry Porter Oak/10

15.05 WR Dennis Northcutt Cle/8

11.05 WR Donald Driver GB/9

13.05 WR Muhsin Muhammad Car/3

03.05 TE Tony Gonzalez KC/5

16.08 TE Itula Mili Sea/4

17.05 PK Ryan Longwell GB/9

19.05 PK Paul Edinger Chi/5

10.08 DE New England NE/3

20.08 DE Atlanta Atl/9

Footballman69

Pick Pos Player Team

05.06 QB Donovan McNabb Phi/5

07.06 QB Jeff Garcia Cle/8

01.06 RB Shaun Alexander Sea/4

02.07 RB Domanick Davis Hou/7

04.07 RB Charlie Garner TB/8

09.06 RB Richie Anderson Dal/4

19.06 RB Dominic Rhodes Ind/6

06.07 WR Keenan McCardell TB/8

08.07 WR Rod Smith Den/10

10.07 WR Eddie Kennison KC/5

13.06 WR Terry Glenn Dal/4

14.07 WR Kevin Johnson Bal/6

18.07 WR Robert Ferguson GB/9

20.07 WR Justin Gage Chi/5

03.06 TE Jeremy Shockey NYG/6

16.07 TE Erron Kinney Ten/9

15.06 PK Jason Elam Den/10

17.06 PK Jay Feely Atl/9

11.06 DE Tampa Bay TB/8

12.07 DE Dallas Dal/4

EastbayFunk

Pick Pos Player Team

06.06 QB Aaron Brooks NO/8

08.06 QB Jake Delhomme Car/3

09.07 QB David Carr Hou/7

01.07 RB Edgerrin James Ind/6

02.06 RB Kevin Jones - R Det/4

05.07 RB Tatum Bell - R Den/10

11.07 RB Chris Perry - R Cin/5

10.06 RB Justin Fargas Oak/10

03.07 WR Laveranues Coles Was/7

04.06 WR Andre Johnson Hou/7

07.07 WR Keyshawn Johnson Dal/4

12.06 WR Deion Branch NE/3

15.07 WR Drew Bennett Ten/9

13.07 WR Reggie Williams - R Jac/9

17.07 TE Eric Johnson SF/7

14.06 TE L.J. Smith Phi/5

18.06 PK John Hall Was/7

19.07 PK Jason Hanson Det/4

20.06 DE New Orleans NO/8

16.06 DE Oakland Oak/10

TurboPunch

Pick Pos Player Team

06.05 QB Trent Green KC/5

09.08 QB Drew Bledsoe Buf/3

01.08 RB Ricky Williams Mia/10

03.08 RB Curtis Martin NYJ/3

17.08 RB Shawn Bryson Det/4

07.08 RB Moe Williams Min/4

12.05 RB Jerome Bettis Pit/7

10.05 RB Kevin Faulk NE/3

02.05 WR Torry Holt StL/8

04.05 WR Derrick Mason Ten/9

08.05 WR Reggie Wayne Ind/6

13.08 WR Ike Hilliard NYG/6

20.05 WR Bobby Engram Sea/4

16.05 WR Todd Pinkston Phi/5

05.08 TE Kellen Winslow - R Cle/8

15.08 TE Jim Kleinsasser Min/4

14.05 PK Jeff Wilkins StL/8

19.08 PK Doug Brien NYJ/3

11.08 DE Miami Mia/10

18.05 DE Pittsburgh Pit/7

Tick

Pick Pos Player Team

08.04 QB Mark Brunell Was/7

09.09 QB Kurt Warner FA

12.04 QB AJ Feeley Mia/10

01.09 RB Jamal Lewis Bal/6

02.04 RB Corey Dillon NE/3

03.09 RB Marcel Shipp Ari/6

06.04 RB Correll Buckhalter Phi/5

04.04 WR Joe Horn NO/8

07.09 WR Jimmy Smith Jac/9

05.09 WR Eric Moulds Buf/3

11.09 WR Justin McCareins NYJ/3

17.09 WR Curtis Conway SF/7

20.04 WR Kelley Washington Cin/5

10.04 TE Boo Williams NO/8

14.04 TE Desmond Clark Chi/5

13.09 PK Mike Vanderjagt Ind/6

18.04 PK John Carney NO/8

15.09 DE Green Bay GB/9

16.04 DE Tennessee Ten/9

19.09 DE NY Giants NYG/6

TommyGunZ

Pick Pos Player Team

03.10 QB Michael Vick Atl/9

09.10 QB Carson Palmer Cin/5

11.10 QB Tommy Maddox Pit/7

02.03 RB Kevan Barlow SF/7

01.10 RB Fred Taylor Jac/9

04.03 RB Thomas Jones Chi/5

10.03 RB Eddie George Ten/9

18.03 RB Maurice Morris Sea/4

06.03 WR Plaxico Burress Pit/7

05.10 WR Santana Moss NYJ/3

07.10 WR David Boston Mia/10

12.03 WR Quincy Morgan Cle/8

15.10 WR Kevin Dyson SD/10

08.03 WR Charles Rogers Det/4

13.10 TE Antonio Gates SD/10

17.10 TE Ben Troupe - R Ten/9

19.10 PK Joe Nedney Ten/9

20.03 PK Jeff Reed Pit/7

14.03 DE St.Louis StL/8

16.03 DE Denver Den/10

switz

Pick Pos Player Team

07.11 QB Byron Leftwich Jac/9

11.11 QB Rich Gannon Oak/10

12.02 QB Kerry Collins Oak/10

04.02 RB Duce Staley Pit/7

03.11 RB Chris Brown Ten/9

06.02 RB Garrison Hearst Den/10

05.11 RB Onterrio Smith Min/4

19 RB Michael Turner - R SD/6

01.11 WR Randy Moss Min/4

02.02 WR Terrell Owens Phi/5

08.02 WR Donte' Stallworth NO/8

09.11 WR Larry Fitzgerald - R Ari/6

14.02 WR Antonio Bryant Dal/4

20 WR Keary Colbert - R Car/3

10.02 TE Dallas Clark Ind/6

16.02 TE Billy Miller Hou/7

18.02 PK Martin Gramatica TB/8

17.11 PK Bill Gramatica NYG/6

15.11 DE Seattle Sea/4

13.11 DE Buffalo Buf/3

radballs

Pick Pos Player Team

06.01 QB Matt Hasselbeck Sea/4

08.01 QB Tom Brady NE/3

13.12 QB Kyle Boller Bal/6

01.12 RB Marshall Faulk StL/8

04.01 RB Michael Bennett Min/4

03.12 RB Brian Westbrook Phi/5

10.01 RB Willis McGahee Buf/3

09.12 RB Quentin Griffin Den/10

02.01 WR Marvin Harrison Ind/6

05.12 WR Peerless Price Atl/9

07.12 WR Marty Booker Chi/5

11.12 WR Rod Gardner Was/7

15.12 WR David Givens NE/3

14.01 WR Andre' Davis Cle/8

12.01 TE Daniel Graham NE/3

17.12 TE Marcus Pollard Ind/6

19.12 PK Morten Andersen KC/5

20.01 PK Billy Cundiff Dal/4

16.01 DE Kansas City KC/5

18.01 DE NY Jets NYJ/3

 
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SCORING SYSTEMPassing TDs = 4 ptsRushing/receiving TDs = 6 ptsinterceptions = -1 points1 pt per 20 yards passing1 pt per 10 yards rushing or receiving1 pt per reception for QBs, RBs and WRs2 pts per reception for TEs2 pts awarded for 2 point conversions (pass, rush, or receive)Kicker Scoring (only can score on FG or EP)3 pts per FG of 39 yards or less4 pts per FG between 40 and 49 yards5 pts per FG 50 yards or greater1 pt per EP6. Defense/Special Teams Scoring:Points Allowed0 = 10 points2-6 = 4 points7-13 = 1 point14+ = 0 pointsTotal Yards Allowed0-199 = 10 points200-249 = 4 points250-299 = 1 point300+ = 0 pointsSack = 1 pointINT/Fumble Recovery = 2 pointsSafety = 2 pointsDefense or ST TD = 6 points (Kickoff return, punt return, interception, fumble recovery,blocked punt/FG return)

 
TGunz cleaned house. Taylor at 1.10 is a solid pick. Barlow at 2.03 and Vick at 3.10 are absolute steals. Jones at 4.03 gives very solid RB depth. Great job landing some big time upside WRs in round 5-8. Got solid backup QB values without reaching. Only question mark is TE - with the 2 pt per rec, I would have gone with a proven 30-40 catch guy over Troupe for security. But thats the only knock and its a small one.I'll look over the list a little closer in a minute, but that was the team that blew me away at first glance.

 
Here's how I'd tier the teams, no particular order within each tier. Top tier:Footballman69TurboPunchTommyGunZMiddle tier:radballspurplehazeLHUCKSbuenoJAABassNBrewTickBottom tier:EastBayFunkswitzMiscellaneous comments...With the collection of RBs that switz had, he should have taken another one. The WR quality may not be enough to overcome that.Footballman has a player at every position but WR who could lead his position in scoring. That should make up for his weak WR corp, combined with the fact he's got 6 of them.Turbo has good balance, with a good but not great player at pretty much every position, and a solid backup as well.And my prediction for winner: Purplehaze. The man has shown me he's got luck, and his team is good enough I almost put it in the top tier. He needs some things to go his way, but he's loaded with upside picks, and has great protection for his RBs by having the backups or the other guy in the RBBC.

 
And my prediction for winner: Purplehaze. The man has shown me he's got luck...
Just gotta procure another soul somehow. Any innocent virgin-types out there willing to sacrifice for the cause?
 
And my prediction for winner: Purplehaze. The man has shown me he's got luck...
Just gotta procure another soul somehow. Any innocent virgin-types out there willing to sacrifice for the cause?
We need a Soulless emoticon for you. Maybe a little grim reaper one. :)
 
Tommy's squad has a lot of upside:I'd say he needs a big year from Vick at QB because I'm not to keen on his backups. At wr he needs one of either Boston or Plax to step up.

 
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I really like the starting lineup Tick will be able to put out there.....BrunnellLewis DillonHornSmithMouldsWilliamsVandyDalso like what TommyGunz didJAA could be respectable even though he took two QB's in the first 6 roundsjust wondering JAA, was taking Bulger in round 6 more of a defensive move so that he wouldn't be on somebody else's roster as opposed to actually helping your team....you will have a fairly productive QB on your bench most of the season....but keeping Bulger out of another teams lineup might pay off in the long run....not sure what EastBay Funk was doing......

 
Here's how I'd rank the teams:1. Tommy Gunz - see above comments.2. Footballman69 - D. Davis = SOD. Love the QBs. Not crazy about the WRs but he's got a lot of them and that helps. Shockey could have a huge impact. Definite contender here.3. TurboPunch - Martin was a major steal and so were all those receiving backs. WRs are good, QBs are ok, Winslow will have an impact. Very strong team.4. BassNBrew - Barber and Gonzalez were great picks for the scoring system. QBs are a little shaky but I think he'll get by. Love the WR values.5. Purplehaze - solid team, I love the RB depth and the receivers are good. QB is a concern though - with that pairing I would have wanted a 3rd guy. 6. radballs - Really like the RB pairing at 3.12 and 4.1. Got great value on QBs. I'd have rather had D.Davis or Barlow over Faulk though.7. JAA - Good draft, but went a little overboard on the RBs IMO. Another WR or two would have helped more than Hollings or Cobbs.8. LHUCKS - I don't really like the value on a lot of the picks here (Plummer over Brady and Garcia?), but it is a team built well for survivor style play.9. Bueno - Don't like Stephen Davis this year, especially in 1 pt/rec, and there's nothing proven behind him. QB is great, TE is good, WR is decent but those RBs will be his downfall.10. Tick - Passed up better values to get Lewis and Dillon who are hurt by the pt/rec scoring. QB is shaky. WR is solid at least. I think Shipp will still end up starting but if he doesn't this team is toast.11. EastBay - lots of reaches on young guys. Even if they all have breakout years, it may not happen until after this team gets eliminated.12. Switz - ripped the arm out of the socket reaching for Owens at 2.2, and spends the next 4 rounds paying for it by trying to piece together a decent backfield. Great at WR, weak everywhere else. Overall, not good.

 
8. LHUCKS - I don't really like the value on a lot of the picks here (Plummer over Brady and Garcia?), but it is a team built well for survivor style play.
The object of survivor play is not to score the most...it is to never score the least. ;) I find the comments thus far very telling. They illustrate just how inexperienced the fantasy community is with this format.My rankings and blurbs will be out hopefully today.Note: JAA has no chance with his WR core IMO...and has already been named twice as a favorite. :football:
 
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8. LHUCKS - I don't really like the value on a lot of the picks here (Plummer over Brady and Garcia?), but it is a team built well for survivor style play.
The object of survivor play is not to score the most...it is to never score the least. ;) I find the comments thus far very telling. They illustrate just how inexperienced the fantasy community is with this format.My rankings and blurbs will be out hopefully today.Note: JAA has no chance with his WR core IMO...and has already been named twice as a favorite. :football:
He shouldn't have used so many spaces on RBs when he had 2 pretty good ones to start with. 5 RBs would have been enough with Deuce and Rudi.If JAA had used the Wheatley and Cobbs picks on WRs, I'd have him in the top tier. Warrick/Fitzgerald/Rice/Driver could have been had instead of Wheatley, and Kevin Johnson/Antonio Bryant/Andre Davis/Johnny Morton/Troy Brown/Rashaun Woods/etc could have been taken instead of Cobbs. With WRs, quantity has a quality all its own, but he doesn't have enough quanity to reach that point.
 
I'll provide short commentary on my team to let folks know my thoughts.

TommyGunZ

Pick Pos Player Team

QB

03.10 QB Michael Vick Atl/9 - 4th year in the league, I feel he's in for a huge year. Weapons at WR, TE, and in the backfield, Vick is finally equipped with the experience and supporting cast for a mid-90s Steve Young type campaign. Love getting him at the end of the 3rd.

09.10 QB Carson Palmer Cin/5 - After going QB early (a new concept for me) I decided to wait. Palmer certainly has weapons to succeed, and apparently he's made a believer of Lewis and his teammates in practice, since there hasn't been a huge uproar since he was named the starter. A roll of the dice.

11.10 QB Tommy Maddox Pit/7 - I don't think Maddox is top 10, but I don't think he's as bad as he was last year either. Still, he threw for 3400 yards and 18 TDs, so he's a solid backup capable of big weeks. With Ben the least ready of the big 3 rookie QBs, there's no chance Maddox loses his job this year unless he's injured.

RB

02.03 RB Kevan Barlow SF/7 - He's now seen as a late 1st rounder, so I think I got good value here. Should be an absolute stud in this format (pt. per reception), I think he'll produce more ppg. than bigger names Jam Lewis, Dillon, and Ricky Williams. Recent hype about offseason workouts negates durability issues.

01.10 RB Fred Taylor Jac/9 - Another back poised for a big year. Jax's offense should be much improved, giving Taylor more opportunities to score. Jones vulturing TDs is definitely a worry, but even if I only get Taylor's production from last year, I'll be satisfied. Solid pick with upside.

04.03 RB Thomas Jones Chi/5 - Maybe a reach, but 250-300 touch RBs don't make it to the 4th round often. All signs point toward Jones having every opportunity to excel in his new role as "Marshall Faulk" in the offense. Whether he produces in still a question. Reward outweighed risk at this point.

10.03 RB Eddie George Ten/9 - Eddie will get touches somewhere - and I think he's stay in Tenn. I'm not convinced Chris Brown is significantly better at this point, and Fisher will give Eddie the benefit of the doubt if its a close call.

18.03 RB Maurice Morris Sea/4 - Best backup RB in the league, IMO. I'm an injury to Sugar Shaun away from getting a top 10 RB in round 18.

WR

06.03 WR Plaxico Burress Pit/7 - Top 5 talent, WR6 heart and mind. Talent and opportunity trump attitude in my book - 6th round is about right even if he disappoints and repeats 2003 numbers.

05.10 WR Santana Moss NYJ/3 - Not a Moss fan, and taking Santana went against my "don't draft players coming off of career years" theory. But I couldn't completely ignore his 2003 #'s especially considering Pennington should be there all season this year.

07.10 WR David Boston Mia/10 - We've discussed Boston enough. I paid for his 2003 numbers - anything more and I got a steal this late.

12.03 WR Quincy Morgan Cle/8 - Crapshoot. Someone has to be the man in Cleveland, right? Morgan or Davis? Red or Black? Odd or even?

15.10 WR Kevin Dyson SD/10 - Undisputed #1 in pathetic Charger passing game. Should catch 60+ even if San Diego goes 1-15.

08.03 WR Charles Rogers Det/4 - Looked like a top 15 WR last year before injury. Should know the offense and be hungry to reclaim spot among elite young WRs.

TE

13.10 TE Antonio Gates SD/10 - Sleeper whom I targeted after big 4 TE's went early. Should be #2 option in Charger pissing game and good for 40+ catches.

17.10 TE Ben Troupe - R Ten/9 - Late flyer on a guy I thought was great at Florida. With Wycheck gone, my money says 260 pound Troupe runs pass patterns while 280 pound Kinney stays home to block.

K

19.10 PK Joe Nedney Ten/9 - Anyone who provides commentary on K's is a tool.

20.03 PK Jeff Reed Pit/7 - see above.

Def

14.03 DE St.Louis StL/8 - Drafted strictly off of FBG rankings and my opinion of Rams SOS.

16.03 DE Denver Den/10 - Play the Chargers twice a year. Nuff said.

My pre-draft strategy: Take value early, regardless of position. Wait on QBs, Def, and Kickers. Take Winslow in the 5th if available. Pass on other "Big TEs". Draft strictly on 2004 outlook; 2003 stats don't count this year. Place additional value on talented players who disappointed in '03.

How it worked out: Quite well, IMO. Going RB-RB early enabled me to feast on WR value in the middle rounds. Vick at 3.10 was the highest I've taken a QB in 8 years - but I felt I was getting a possible league winner at pick 34. My backup QBs leave much to be desired, but I'm banking on Vick anyway, so I decided to wait really late for QB2 and 3. Ended up with (IMO) a top 3 QB (Vick), best RB corps in the league (Taylor-Barlow-Jones-George) and 5 WRs with top 20 talent. Obviously I sacrificed the TE position, Def, and K's, but no worries.

Pick I'm not stoked about: Santana Moss - was the 17th WR choosen, so I should be extremely happy with a guy who was around WR10 last year in most formats. However, my strategy of steering away from players coming off of career years told me not to take Santana. After seeing Chambers, DJax, Steve Smith, and Andre Johnson go above him, I felt Moss at least offered value. Confused? Me too.

 
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Am I so dominant that no one even thinks I have a chance to lose?And I thought this EBF league would be competitive....damn guppies disguised as sharks. :boxing:

 
Am I so dominant that no one even thinks I have a chance to lose?And I thought this EBF league would be competitive....damn guppies disguised as sharks. :boxing:
You are in my second tier. ;) More to come later.
 
All survivor teams look good... ...in June. ;)PS - should have had a real survivor league with 18 teams.

 
I think I faired ok in this draft. The real problem for me was finding RB depth. I feel good about Edgerrin James and Kevin Jones, but beyond those two I have nothing but question marks. Still, if Bell or Fargas wins a starting job then I should be set. I'm not a big Chris Perry fan, but reading the signs there in Cincy I'm not sure the management is sold on Rudi. All in all this is the position that will probably either make or break my team. I like my WR's a lot. Coles and the Johnson boys give me a solid top 3 with a nice combination of proven talent and potential. Branch is a decent depth guy with some upside. Williams and Bennett are #2 receivers who should provide me with quality depth. The only concern for me here is that Coles and A. Johnson both have the same bye week. I don't think it will be too big of a problem because it comes in a two week elimination period.I like my QB's. I got one stud in Brooks and two guys with exactly what I wanted in my backup QB's: job security. I really think that Delhomme could be a nice value this season. My second biggest concern is TE. I didn't want to commit an early pick to this position and it cost me. I like LJ Smith, but he's a bit of an unknown. Eric Johnson is one of San Francisco's only proven receiving options, but he's not a brilliant talent. Hopefully these two can be decent for me.I'm going to be fine at K and D.If you can't tell by looking at my team, I'm not afraid to take chances. I don't feel comfortable drafting many mediocre players. I'd rather go for the home run. While this sometimes backfires, I can't see myself playing any other way. My team doesn't look great now, but it has the underlying potential to develop into a dominant force if one or more of the young RB's steps up. The opportunity is there for Bell and Fargas. Hopefully one of them can take advantage of it.

 
bueno

01.03 RB Ahman Green GB/9

A safe, but solid first round pick. Many would have taken Portis, but Washington players disappoint too often.

02.10 RB Stephen Davis Car/3

A bargain at 2.10. If you look at how fats RBs went off the board after this pick, you'd ralize that. He was a value pick. I had planned on grabbing 2 WRs, but I couldn't turn down Davis.

03.03 QB Peyton Manning Ind/6

Again, I would have gone wr here, but Manning was a value pick. had to go with him.

04.10 WR Anquan Boldin Ari/6

Boldin doesn't have to produce as good as last year to be a bargain here. Thank you gentlemen!

05.03 WR Darrell Jackson Sea/4

KRob has to prove to me he's the WR1 on th eteam before I'll consider him over DJ.

06.10 QB Steve McNair Ten/9

A choice. Two quality QBs or try for a committee of 3.

07.03 TE Alge Crumpler Atl/9

Good solid TE pick. Could be a top 5 easily.

08.10 RB Steven Jackson - R StL/8

Up to this point, I htought RBs were falling off the board way too quickly. In fact, past this point, I thought they fell too early. Good chance though, that Faulk can't make it for a whole season anymore.

09.03 WR Marcus Robinson Min/4

I think he could do very well in that offense. A sleeper pick.

10.10 DE Baltimore Bal/6

Not much risk herem s there?

11.03 DE Carolina Car/3

I got teased for the stud DT theory here, but what do I really need? Two solid defenses means I don't have to scronge and maybe grab three.

12.10 RB Musa Smith Bal/6

And if Jamal can't make every game, especially early in the season when he's on trial, then what?

13.03 WR Tyrone Calico Ten/9

A risk - but I'm strong everywhere else.

14.10 PK David Akers Phi/5

A decent kicker, taken before the run.

15.03 WR Troy Brown NE/3

Probaly the best of the remaining dregs. Not expecting much here.

16.10 PK Adam Vinatieri NE/3

Another good kicker. In survivor, I firmly believe you need at least two.

17.03 RB Najeh Davenport GB/9

A handcuff in case of injury.

18.10 PK Sebastian Janikowski Oak/10

If you look at how inconsistent kickers are, then you know that having 3 evens out production.

19.03 TE Jed Weaver Den/10

My backup. Another potential sleeper.

20.10 WR Antwaan Randle El Pit/7

The best WR left. Here's hoping Burress does something stupid.

In general, I think my strengths at RB, QB, TE, DT and PK outweight my WR weakness. We shall see. Remember how far I went last year with Brees as my only QB.

 
Here is the breakdown of my draft selections. Thanks again for putting this league together EBF.

Predraft Strategy: Without passing up on too much value, I wanted players within position groupings to all have different bye weeks. I wanted to attempt to spread the bye weeks out somewhat evenly while loading up a little heavier with players with bye weeks in weeks 3, 4, and 5. Since I was picking at the 12 spot, I was targeting 1 RB and 1 WR at the first turn as long as one of the WRs was Moss or Harrison. Otherwise, I was going to go with 2 RBs with my first two picks. Select QBs late unless terrific value presents itself. Have a final roster with 3 starting QBs, 5-6 RBs, 5-6 WRs, and 2 each at TE, K, and defense. Try to maximize value with every pick and do not worry too much about handcuffing. Instead, just get other starters from different teams with different bye weeks.

1.12 RB Marshall Faulk StL/8: Yes, he’s on the wrong side of 30 and he has shown an inability to remain healthy for an entire season for four straight years. Still, when healthy, he’s a top 5 back in this 1 ppr format. I planned on handcuffing Steven Jackson to him later in the draft, but bueno reached for him at 8.10. There is no way I would take a rookie handcuff that early in a survivor format. I also considered Domanick Davis and Kevan Barlow at this point, but Marshall has more upside when playing.

2.01 WR Marvin Harrison Ind/6: Hopefully, he will play much more like he did in 2002 with over 140 receptions than last year. Still, Harrison’s floor is still pretty high and I plan on counting on him for steady production. With Harrison still on the board, I didn’t consider anyone else here and figured I could still get some quality RBs 23 picks later.

3.12 RB Brian Westbrook Phi/5: I’m not that high on Westbrook, but he should be the primary ball carrier in what should be a revamped, high scoring offense with the addition of Owens. Buckhalter is in Andy Reid’s doghouse and I am hoping that they don’t split too many carries. He should produce steadily and he’ll catch quite a few balls.

4.01 RB Michael Bennett Min/4: Plays behind one of the best O-lines in the NFL on a very potent offensive team. He’s very fast, somewhat elusive, and has good hands. The presence of Onterrio stealing carries makes me a bit nervous, and Bennett doesn’t get a whole lot of goal line looks. There is a small threat of a significant RBBC in Minny, but I was happy to get a player with as much upside as he has. I was very satisfied to have 3 top 20 RBs and a top 2 WR with my first four picks.

5.12 WR Peerless Price Atl/9: This was a difficult choice. I wanted a potential top 10 WR and I also considered Plaxico Burress here. Vick will have to remain healthy for Price to have a great season, but I think this will be the year that these two start to hook up on a regular basis.

6.01 QB Matt Hasselbeck Sea/4: I was really planning on getting my first quarterback later in the draft. However, I felt that getting Hasselbeck at 6.01 was exceptional value. He’s got tremendous upside and plays in an explosive offense. I thought about taking my 3rd receiver here with Plaxico Burress, but figured I could find WR value later and this kind of QB value was too good to pass up.

7.12 WR Marty Booker Chi/5: I expect Marty to bounce back to 2002 form. He should be targeted frequently and those reception points will help out nicely. Hopefully, Grossman’s inexperience won’t hurt Booker’s productivity too much, but this offense should be much better from last year. He represents a pretty good value as a WR3 at this point.

8.01 QB Tom Brady NE/3: I really wasn’t planning on going with my 2nd QB with my 8th pick, but there was no apparent TE value here and I already had 3 RBs and 3 WRs. I felt that another quality QB would provide more overall value to my team. There should be quite a few weeks where I’m taking Brady’s performance over Hasselbeck’s. Brady’s never been a terrific fantasy QB, but he has steadily improved and I believe the team will begin to count on his arm more and more going forward. I also really liked his early bye week, and I have him ranked higher than some of the other QBs that were selected before him.

9.12 RB Quentin Griffin Den/10: With these next two picks there were two RBs fairly high on my board that I wanted to get on my team, and I didn’t think either one of them would still be there at the end of round 11. Both of them had different bye weeks from my other 3 so that was also a plus. I decided to reach for both of them here. Griffin has a legitimate shot to get the majority of work in the Denver offense. It’s a very crowded backfield at the moment, but I think it will take time for Bell to make an impact and Hearst doesn’t have the best health history. Even though Griffin is undersized, he’s very fast and elusive because he hides behind the line. He played well in Portis’ absence at the end of last year. This is a high upside pick with little risk at this point in the draft.

10.01 RB Willis McGahee Buf/3: This guy has plenty of talent coming off of a horrific looking injury. This will be the year that he starts getting some work and I’m hearing that his knee is looking pretty good. Henry will be the man in Buffalo, but if McGahee can slowly get worked into the starting lineup, he might pay off with a couple of performances that I use. If not, this pick shouldn’t hurt me too much. I had now selected all the RBs that I was going to draft.

11.12 WR Rod Gardner Was/7: Not a shabby WR4 by any stretch. He should bounce back from last season and get more work. McCants, Thrash, and Jacobs may get more looks, but Gardner is easily the WR2 in what should be a much more productive offense under Gibbs. Hopefully, Brunell will develop some nice chemistry with Rod.

12.01 TE Daniel Graham NE/3: I think Graham is going to really start becoming a vital part of the New England offense. The presence of Ben Watson is not a big threat. This really boils down to Dan getting mentally prepared and then performing when expected to. He’s got a lot of talent and should be a top 7 TE in this scoring format.

13.12 QB Kyle Boller Bal/6: He was the last QB who was taken in our draft and he was the last sure starter. Other people took two pieces of a team’s probable starter, but I didn’t want to waste the roster space by doing this. Boller becomes my 3rd definite starting QB and he might help me when one of the other two are on a bye. He’s obviously in a very conservative, run-first offense, but he should eventually get more opportunities to shine and he runs well. I was very happy to have waited this long to get a sure fire starter to complete my goal of getting 3 QBs.

14.01 WR Andre’ Davis Cle/8: Davis has a great chance of being the primary wide receiver in what should be a much improved offense behind the arm and leadership of Garcia. Morgan and Northcutt will get some work, but I believe that Andre’ has the most upside.

15.12 WR David Givens NE/3: Okay, this was a shock and could possibly be my best value pick of my draft although Hasselbeck was a good one. New England’s most likely number 2 WR should have a decent shot at 900-1,000 yards. There are a ton of options on this team and New England can tend to be conservative with such a strong defensive team. But, Givens at the 192nd overall pick is the definition of true value. He’s gotta be the best WR6 of any other team, and I like the fact that all 6 of my WRs have different bye weeks.

16.01 Defense Kansas City/5: Had to get one sometime. They played strong at times and I’m hoping that they put more of an emphasis on this part of their game. My draft strategy was to target two defenses and kickers with relatively early bye weeks without sacrificing much value.

17.12 TE Marcus Pollard Ind/6: I’m hoping that my second tight end is able to hold off an emerging Dallas Clark. Only two years ago, he was a consensus top 4 TE. I’m hoping here that he has one last solid campaign.

18.01 Defense NY Jets/3: With Cowart playing the middle and the addition of Vilma as well as the other talented surrounding cast, I think this defensive club will rebound. Just call this one gut instinct and a bump for the week 3 bye.

19.12 PK Morten Andersen KC/5: Older than dirt and not the strongest leg in the league, this guy continues to play in a high octane offense. The only drawback here is this offense is so efficient that he’s usually only kicking extra points. Maybe this changes if they have any unexpected changes converting in the red zone this year.

20.01 PK Billy Cundiff Dal/4: Early bye week and plays for an up and coming team that plays somewhat conservatively. Dallas will be perfectly happy to drive 60-70 yards and kick a field goal and let their defense keep them in games. Also nice that this kid should get a little more accurate with some maturity and experience and half of their games are on turf.

Overall, I was very happy with my final result. I really like my chances and think that I have incredible balance at all of the positions. I don’t see my team having problems with being the lowest scoring team in any week, but that’s why you play the games.

 
I like the tommyGunZ draft. If he can avoid getting drilled at TE during some random week he should be tough. FootballMan had some nice picks as well but we've got differing tastes in WR.

 
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I'm very happy with my team.QB is a problem, but at least I've got three to offset that somewhat. Brunell has a very solid team around him and should be fine. Warner's a complete wildcard and was a reach in the draft, but he's a high-reward guy. Feeley is someone I just have a gut feeling about.WRs are perfect... Jimmy Smith, Moulds, and Horn are an incredible top three, and McCareins is a nice fourth. Then I've got Conway and Washington as depth guys who will probably both count for me at some point. I got three of my top 12 players at WR in the 4th, 5th, and 7th rounds - I know WR is a position where everyone ranks guys pretty differently, but I'm thrilled with what I ended up with here.RBs are very solid also. I don't get many reception points with these guys, but at the time of the draft everyone assumed Shipp was a solid starter. I don't like him much, but couldn't really pass him up at the end of the third round. I think he wins the job back anyway. Buckhalter is a guy I'm high on this season - I think he gets 150 carries minimum. I felt with this top-four I didn't need to get scrubs the rest of the draft. I'm kind of an RB-minimalist. I like to get solid guys then stop drafting the position rather than going for Maurice Morris, Steven Jackson, etc.TEs are very good IMO - Boo's my #4 heading into the season and Desmond Clark caught a lot of balls last season and has an OC used to having Gonzalez.Kicker I grabbed Vanderjagt and at defense I think having three will pay off big considering how high the defense scoring is in this league.I have two difficult bye weeks: 3 and 6. 3 is spread out among positions, but 6 is centered at RB and worries me a bit. Otherwise I see my squad contending for the title.

 
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I really like the starting lineup Tick will be able to put out there.....BrunnellLewis DillonHornSmithMouldsWilliamsVandyDalso like what TommyGunz didJAA could be respectable even though he took two QB's in the first 6 roundsjust wondering JAA, was taking Bulger in round 6 more of a defensive move so that he wouldn't be on somebody else's roster as opposed to actually helping your team....you will have a fairly productive QB on your bench most of the season....but keeping Bulger out of another teams lineup might pay off in the long run....not sure what EastBay Funk was doing......
A little bit of both. I saw the value there and didnt have anyone close to his value on the board. Bulger was strictly a value selection. As you mentioned, there are two sides to value selection. One being he can score point for your team. Two being he cant score point against you.If it matters, I was very upset to see McNabb and Garcia last as long has they did, both very valuable picks
 
8. LHUCKS - I don't really like the value on a lot of the picks here (Plummer over Brady and Garcia?), but it is a team built well for survivor style play.
The object of survivor play is not to score the most...it is to never score the least. ;) I find the comments thus far very telling. They illustrate just how inexperienced the fantasy community is with this format.My rankings and blurbs will be out hopefully today.Note: JAA has no chance with his WR core IMO...and has already been named twice as a favorite. :football:
He shouldn't have used so many spaces on RBs when he had 2 pretty good ones to start with. 5 RBs would have been enough with Deuce and Rudi.If JAA had used the Wheatley and Cobbs picks on WRs, I'd have him in the top tier. Warrick/Fitzgerald/Rice/Driver could have been had instead of Wheatley, and Kevin Johnson/Antonio Bryant/Andre Davis/Johnny Morton/Troy Brown/Rashaun Woods/etc could have been taken instead of Cobbs. With WRs, quantity has a quality all its own, but he doesn't have enough quanity to reach that point.
Agreed ... this is my survivor inexperience showing through
 
The team I like the best is Footballman69. He is strong everywhere except for WR. But that is a position that quantity can win out over quality in a survivor format. Even with his relatively weak WR group he still has 6 possible #1 WR’s. His QB’s are excellent his RB’s good & deep and he didn’t sacrifice the lesser positions of TE, K ,& D which I think is important. Radballs & TommyGunz are strong in the main positions but their teams are not well rounded with some weakness TE, K and D. If they get the sleeper pick at those positions they will be strong contenders but the odds are against it.Next is Bueno who also has excellent QB’s and is strong at RB1 & RB2 but with not much behind them. He went for players with big upside if they ever see the field as his RB depth. The problem is they may never see the field. He will likely take a zero at RB2 during the bye weeks of his top 2 RB’s. He is strong at TE, K and D, which I like, so that may carry him.LHucks and PurpleHaze had a very big advantage in this draft getting the #1 and #2 picks. LT and Holmes are 2 players that can carry a team through survivor format by themselves. This is a tremendous advantage for any team. I think they both squandered this advantage when in the 4th & 5th round they doubled up on the RBBC in both Atlanta & Cleveland. With Holmes & LT on your team there is no need to do this. It is very unlikely that any of those 4 RB’s will ever outscore Holmes or LT, so really they only need to back up their RB2 and both of them had strong RB2’s already on their team. They would have been better served taking someone at some other position with that 5th round pick. Drafting 4 RB's in the first 5 rounds is too much stud RB theory for me. Mcnabb, Moulds Santana Moss & Winslow were all available and would have made their starting team stronger. Of course they still have a chance because of LT & Holmes.JAA, Bass & Brew and Tick are in the next grouping.I would classify both EBF and Switz as drafting gamblers. They both took a lot of high-risk high reward type picks. If several of them work out for them they will look like geniuses. If Colbert is the next Boldin and Kevin Jones the next Portis they will be strong contenders. It’s possible but I wouldn’t count on it.Then there is my team which I will not rank but I think has a chance to go all the way, as I’m sure all the participants in this draft believe of their own teams. I tried to get a strong starting lineup knowing I would have to sacrifice some depth especially at RB. I think I have potentially a top 5 player at every position. Of course for this to be true Williams will have to bounce back and Winslow will have to perform like Shockey did in his rookie season, both of which I believe are possible. I tried to stay ahead of the runs and may have taken my first K & D a little early because of this. On the other hand I was able to get a good QB before the QB run. It was a good draft and a good experience for myself. Good luck to all the EBF invitational participants and we will see how it plays out during the season. I can’t wait for September.

 
Turbo, I agree with the majority of your analysis and rankings. I'll do my own a little later, but I will disagree with you on a couple points. I'd rather secure steady RB depth as a high priority over concerns about getting the best starters at each position. In most cases, I'd rather make sure I had a good 3rd RB early than spend it on a stud TE. Also, I believe that there is generally quite a bit of turnover from the highest and lowest ranked team defenses and some kickers aren't really inconsistent either. With Ks and defenses, I want to get them late and target teams and players that I expect to bounce back that have early bye weeks.FM's team leaves a lot to be desired at the WR position. Quantity can make up for quality to an extent. I just don't think so in this case.

 
Turbo, I agree with the majority of your analysis and rankings. I'll do my own a little later, but I will disagree with you on a couple points. I'd rather secure steady RB depth as a high priority over concerns about getting the best starters at each position.
I'm going to have to agree with Radballs on the importance of securing a sure-fire starter at RB #3. a) we're drafting in June so a lot of situations are going to change and a lot of players are going to go down. RB is obviously the most depth-challenged position.b) when Haze and I handcuffed at the 4th/5th turn the WR talent remaining on the board left a lot to be desired IMO and we both had already secured solid #1 WRs. I already had the strategy of strengthening my WR group by drafting 7 of them. I feel my WRs 4-6 can compete with anybody's. It is likely that I will not be seeing low point totals at my WR #3 as a result and that securing a RB #3 greatly outweighed the significance of having a better WR#2. Other observations: -I think it's very important to grab 3 starting QBs. Those that didn't do so could have knocked themselves out early if one of their QBs starts the season injured.- Defenses don't get injured, thus having 3 of them isn't as important as building depth at one of the other positions IMO. I only like the 3 defense strategy if I'm extremely confident with my 6 WRs...I went Stokely over D #3 because I believe my WRs could use some depth and I like his upside. I don't believe you should ever go Defense #3 over QB #3, even if you have Favre. Very rarely should you go defense #3 over WR #7 IMO...but to each his own. Haze took 1st in the FBG Survivor last year with only 2 QBs so it can be done.- Those teams that went 5 WR are going to be lucky if they make it to the second half of the season. - Wasting picks on RBs that might get to play is a horrible strategy. You cannot waste roster spots on backup RBs unless it's a two-player handcuff like the Cleveland/Atlanta situations. I'll try to put out my tiers and brief team comments today. At first glance I liked TommyGunZ's squad...very risk averse. His team was the only squad that looked like an LHUCKS' type of team.
 
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I'm going to have to agree with Radballs on the importance of securing a sure-fire starter at RB #3. a) we're drafting in June so a lot of situations are going to change and a lot of players are going to go down. RB is obviously the most depth-challenged position.b) when Haze and I handuffed at the 4th/5th turn the WR talent remaining on the board left a lot to be desired IMO and we both had already secured solid #1 WRs. I already had the strategy of strengthening my WR group by drafting 7 of them. I feel my WRs 4-6 can compete with anybody's. I believe I will not be seeing low point totals at my WR #3 as a result and that securing a RB #3 greatly outweighed the significance of having a better WR#2. Other observations: -I think it's very important to grab 3 starting QBs. Those that didn't do so could have knocked themselves out early if one of their QBs starts the season injured.- Defenses don't get injured, thus having 3 of them isn't as important as building depth at one of the other positions IMO. I only like the 3 defense strategy if I'm extremely confident with my 6 WRs...I went Stokely over D #3 because I believe my WRs could use some depth and I like his upside. I don't believe you should ever go Defense #3 over QB #3, even if you have Favre. Very rarely should you go defense #3 over WR #7 IMO...but to each his own. Haze took 1st in the FBG Survivor last year with only 2 QBs so it can be done.- Those teams that went 5 WR are going to be lucky if they make it to the second half of the season. - Wasting picks on RBs that might get to play is a horrible strategy. You cannot waste roster spots on backup RBs unless it's a two-player handcuff like the Cleveland/Atlanta situations. I'll try to put out my tiers and brief team comments today. At first glance I liked FM69's squad...very risk averse. His team was the only squad that looked like an LHUCKS' type of team.
Huh - I figured my team would look like a LHUCKS type of team.Three solid RB starters... check (at least at draft time).Three starting QBs... check (though Warner's a flake)No questionable RBs... check (Buckhalter's going to get points every week)Deep WRs... check (not seven because my top three are very strong)I did take three defenses, but I don't think I'm short at any other position, so I don't see anything wrong with it... it looks from the scoring systems like defenses will tend to put up 20 points or 8 points each week - having three increases my chances of getting one who holds the other team to few yards and points. I suppose I could have grabbed another WR, but I really think my top four are quite strong, and the other two I have should help out as well. I could have grabbed another RB, but at the time I had three clear starters and a solid RBBC guy. Shipp hosed me.
 
Huh - I figured my team would look like a LHUCKS type of team.
Actually yours does as well, minus the 3 defense strategy. There are other facets of your strategy I don't like, but we'll get to that.
 
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-I think it's very important to grab 3 starting QBs. Those that didn't do so could have knocked themselves out early if one of their QBs starts the season injured.
True, and that's the one thing I wish I had handled a little better here. I just didn't see any value while the last few viable starters were still on the board and didn't want to reach for a QB3 at the expense of a more productive option at another position. I kinda thought about going with Rivers in one of the last rounds, but just couldn't manage to pull that trigger.I need to re-visit the draft and see what I could have done differently so that I ended with 3 QBs.
 
I'm going to have to agree with Radballs on the importance of securing a sure-fire starter at RB #3. a) we're drafting in June so a lot of situations are going to change and a lot of players are going to go down. RB is obviously the most depth-challenged position.b) when Haze and I handcuffed at the 4th/5th turn the WR talent remaining on the board left a lot to be desired IMO and we both had already secured solid #1 WRs. I already had the strategy of strengthening my WR group by drafting 7 of them. I feel my WRs 4-6 can compete with anybody's. It is likely that I will not be seeing low point totals at my WR #3 as a result and that securing a RB #3 greatly outweighed the significance of having a better WR#2.
I understand your strategy but my point is that for the 2 teams that have the top 2 RB's in the league I think it was overkill to get that 4th RB so early. Of all the teams that need RB depth the teams with LT & Holmes need it the least.I agree about the 3rd QB. I would have liked to have gotten a 3rd QB but they disappeared fast. In the end there was only Rivers or Carter left and they both have competiton. I thought about Eli with my last pick but played it conservative with the 6th WR.
 
I understand your strategy but my point is that for the 2 teams that have the top 2 RB's in the league I think it was overkill to get that 4th RB so early. Of all the teams that need RB depth the teams with LT & Holmes need it the least.I agree about the 3rd QB. I would have liked to have gotten a 3rd QB but they disappeared fast. In the end there was only Rivers or Carter left and they both have competiton. I thought about Eli with my last pick but played it conservative with the 6th WR.
I understand your point as well, but I disagree with the argument that the strength of your RB#1 or RB#2(for that matter) should have any impact on when to secure a solid RB #3. For Haze and I, the last chance to secure a RB #3 was at the 4/5 turn. We had no other options. If your RB #1 or RB #2 go down, you need a RB #3. When your RB#1 or RB#2 have a bye, you need a solid RB #3...not Richie Anderson or whatever RB garbage you're going to get after the first five rounds.I agree on not taking Manning/Warner Rivers/Brees Gannon/Collins. At this point I view all as wasted picks.
 
I completely agree with the 3 QB strategy. I think those teams with only 2 will have a more challenging time surviving. Along these same lines, it didn't make sense to me to see other QBs that have competition go off the board before sure starters even if their respective upside is higher. Yes, at this point, I'd rather have Boller than Warner.As far as RBs, I wanted to have 3 starters and then two others later who would be part of a RBBC, but who will most likely be seeing the field a little each week. I think the 3 defense strategy can work, but it's difficult for me to pull that trigger on doing that with only 20 roster spots. I played in a non-starter 25 player roster league against Dodds in the WCOFF Draft Masters last year. David won it fairly easily and I believe he had 5 defenses and I only had 2. He got a lot of extra points using that strategy and with 25 players it's obviously easier to do. So, I think 3 defenses can be viable, but like LHUCKS said, I would much rather have a 3rd definitely-starting QB than a 3rd defense. But, I might take that 3rd defense before WR7.

 
But, I might take that 3rd defense before WR7.
I would go defense #3 if I liked my WR#2 and WR#3 more than I did in this draft. Walker has a lot to prove and Warrick will be fighting for balls. I like both of their chances, but their risk is elevated thus the 7 WR strategy. I actually went back and forth on this for a couple of days. Tough call.
 
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As someone noted earlier, my squad is very risk averse: 3 QBs, 5 RBs, 6 WRs, and 2 TE, K, and Def's. Drafting in early June is dangerous (training camp injuries and role changes), so I decided to keep it conservative, and ensure quantity at the 3 most important positions. After deciding to go with a by-the-book draft position strategy (3-5-6-2-2-2), I knew that I needed to add some risk to my overall strategy in order to make noise amongst this group of strong drafters. Hence some of my "risk" picks: Vick, Plaxico, Boston, Morgan, Rogers, Dyson, George, & Gates. Most of these guys have significant question marks beit increased injury risk, past attitude problems, hold out possibility, recent underachievement, or possibility for reduced role. On the contrary, all have extremely high ceilings, ie Vick's potential to finish QB1, all of the WRs mentioned to be WR1 on their respective teams, George resigning with the Titans as their go to RB, and the possibility that Gates becomes a 50 catch TE in SD.This was my attempt at balancing risk v. reward.

 
As someone noted earlier, my squad is very risk averse: 3 QBs, 5 RBs, 6 WRs, and 2 TE, K, and Def's. Drafting in early June is dangerous (training camp injuries and role changes), so I decided to keep it conservative, and ensure quantity at the 3 most important positions. After deciding to go with a by-the-book draft position strategy (3-5-6-2-2-2), I knew that I needed to add some risk to my overall strategy in order to make noise amongst this group of strong drafters. Hence some of my "risk" picks: Vick, Plaxico, Boston, Morgan, Rogers, Dyson, George, & Gates. Most of these guys have significant question marks beit increased injury risk, past attitude problems, hold out possibility, recent underachievement, or possibility for reduced role. On the contrary, all have extremely high ceilings, ie Vick's potential to finish QB1, all of the WRs mentioned to be WR1 on their respective teams, George resigning with the Titans as their go to RB, and the possibility that Gates becomes a 50 catch TE in SD.This was my attempt at balancing risk v. reward.
I see your team the same way you do, but too risky for my blood, especially at QB/WR/TE. I would have gone 7 deep at WR instead of 5 deep at RB. Vick scares me with your backup QBs as well. My opinion is that Vick was a solid pick where you got him, but you needed a Favre/Bledsoe like guy to back him up.I think your team is getting a lot of hype because of the upside. I believe in the upside strategy for re-draft formats, but not in this format...at least not to the extent that you took it to. That being said, you have a top 5 squad.
 
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Alot of people knock my team, but the 3WR requirement separates this league,and my WR corps is the strongest. I tihnk that gives my team a boost. I'll tell ya though that 11 is a tough pick this year, very little value. I didn't think Barlow was a solid bet at 2.02, and despite alot not liking Owens, he will get the ball.My RBs are the sort that will probably alternate every week, but this is a survivor so I don't need to set lineups, my best RBs will automatically be in there. I knew that going in the RBs didn't need to be every week starters, but spot players that will get 30 then 0, as long as they alternate. I believe Hearst will be solid early, Smith/Bennett will be up and down each week for Minny, so I'll have some solid games from Smith, Brown looks like he'll knock George off at some point this year, and then the rest will be ??s, but possible contributors.My biggest thing with this draft was that I needed explosive players, even if not consistent, I think that's what I built my team with. If this was a lineup league, I would hate my team... but I tihnk in a survivor format it will be very good.

 
I completely agree with the 3 QB strategy. I think those teams with only 2 will have a more challenging time surviving. Along these same lines, it didn't make sense to me to see other QBs that have competition go off the board before sure starters even if their respective upside is higher. Yes, at this point, I'd rather have Boller than Warner.
The importance of three QBs is a myth being over hyped around here...You have me thinking on these QB's, so I went back at looked at last years Survivor results. They really put a huge dent in the argument regarding the importance of QBs. None of the four finalists had 3 QBs and two of the teams ran solo at QB. The first four teams out all had three assured starters at the time of the draft. The stats are posted below for your review. The numerous messageboard 16 team survivor leagues I was in also support my conclusion that QB isn't essential to surviving. Survivor 1 eliminated week 1 4. Tom Nadratowski --------------------------------------------------------------------------QB BREES,DREW SD 19.6 P:18-33-2-202 R: 3- 15 TD: P21, P20 QB GREEN,TRENT KC 19.1 P:21-32-1-282 R: 4- 10 TD: P20 QB MADDOX,TOMMY PIT 25.0 P:21-29-0-260 TD: P4, P20, P28 RB BETTIS,JEROME PIT 1.4 R: 4- 14 RB JOHNSON,LARRY KC 0.0 RB LEWIS,JAMAL BAL 15.3 R:15- 69 C: 2- 4 TD: R14 RB TOMLINSON,LADAINIAN SD 11.1 R:13- 34 C: 5- 27 WR DRIVER,DONALD GB 4.8 C: 2- 27 R: 1- 1 WR LELIE,ASHLEY DEN 1.2 R: 2- 12 WR MCCAREINS,JUSTIN TEN 7.3 C: 3- 43 WR MORGAN,QUINCY CLE 2.4 C: 1- 14 WR PORTER,JERRY OAK 1.6 C: 1- 6 WR SMITH,STEVE CAR 14.4 C: 4- 44 TD: C24 TE STEVENS,JERRAMY SEA 0.0 TE WYCHECK,FRANK TEN 3.2 C: 1- 12 K HANSON,JASON DET 6.0 XPs:6/6 Def SEATTLE SEA 12.0 FR:3 I:1-18 S:3-18 PA:10 YA:359 Def TENNESSEE TEN 7.0 FR:1 S:4-18 PA:20 YA:280 ____________________________ _____ _______________________________________ Starter Points = 99.1 Potential Points = 99.1 Note that Maddox finished 5th that week in QB and the top QB posted 30 points. Survivor 1 booted week 2. 9. Chris Smith ----------------------------------------------------------------------------QB CARR,DAVID HOU 18.1 P:17-36-2-213 R: 4- 14 TD: R2 QB MCNABB,DONOVAN PHI 14.6 P:18-46-2-186 R: 6- 53 QB PLUMMER,JAKE DEN 16.9 P: 9-13-0- 94 R: 1- 2 TD: P12, P1, P6 RB ALEXANDER,SHAUN SEA 14.2 R:13- 51 C: 2- 11 TD: R2 RB STALEY,DUCE PHI 12.3 R: 5- 17 C: 3- 16 TD: R2 RB TAYLOR,FRED JAX 13.1 R:14- 71 C: 5- 10 RB ZEREOUE,AMOS PIT 8.5 R:11- 48 C: 2- 17 WR BATES,D'WAYNE MIN 3.8 C: 2- 18 WR BRUCE,ISAAC STL 12.3 C: 6- 63 WR BRYANT,ANTONIO DAL 14.8 C: 5- 98 WR PINKSTON,TODD PHI 6.5 C: 3- 35 WR RICE,JERRY OAK 8.0 C: 4- 40 TE CRUMPLER,ALGE ATL 19.4 C: 4- 54 TD: C1 TE GONZALEZ,TONY KC 4.8 C: 2- 8 K FEELY,JAY ATL 7.0 FGs: -45, 37 XPs:4/4 K NEDNEY,JOE TEN 0.0 Def CINCINNATI CIN 3.0 PA:16 YA:237 Def DALLAS DAL 14.0 FR:1 I:2-41 S:2-9 PA:25 YA:309 TD:Int:41 ____________________________ _____ _________________________________________ Starter Points = 120.9 Potential Points = 120.9 Survivor 2 1. Res Ipsa Loquitor - Booted Off Week 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------QB JOHNSON,BRAD TB 19.52 P:27-36-1-238 TD: P13, P7 QB KITNA,JON CIN 13.06 P:20-37-2-264 R: 3- 5 TD: P41 QB VICK,MICHAEL ATL 0.00 RB BRYSON,SHAWN DET 4.90 R: 5- 8 C: 3- 41 RB GEORGE,EDDIE TEN 6.50 R:20- 42 C: 3- 23 RB TOMLINSON,LADAINIAN SD 6.10 R:13- 34 C: 5- 27 RB WHITE,JAMEL CLE 2.60 R: 2- 7 C: 4- 19 WR CONWAY,CURTIS NYJ 4.80 C: 2- 28 WR JOHNSON,BRYANT ARI 1.70 C: 1- 7 WR JOHNSON,CHAD CIN 21.50 C: 6- 95 TD: C41 WR PATTEN,DAVID NE 6.80 C: 2- 48 WR STALLWORTH,DONTE' NO 18.10 C: 8-101 WR TOOMER,AMANI NYG 11.80 C: 2- 98 TE LEWIS,CHAD PHI 8.20 C: 3- 22 TE MILLER,BILLY HOU 8.00 C: 3- 20 K HANSON,JASON DET 6.00 XPs:6/6 K HOLLIS,MIKE NYG 0.00 Def CAROLINA CAR 8.00 FR:1 S:4-16 PA:23 YA:331 Saf:1 Def NY GIANTS NYG 23.00 FR:3 I:1-34 S:6-38 PA:13 YA:355 TD:FR:0 Def OAKLAND OAK 5.00 FR:1 I:1-11 S:1-11 PA:25 YA:334 ____________________________ ______ _______________________________________ Starter Points = 120.72 Potential Points = 120.72 Survivor 2 booted week 2 8. BassNBrew -----------------------------------------------------------------------------QB FAVRE,BRETT GB 15.28 P:15-28-1-132 TD: P5, P14 QB MADDOX,TOMMY PIT 13.44 P:28-47-3-336 TD: P33 QB MCNABB,DONOVAN PHI 8.74 P:18-46-2-186 R: 6- 53 RB DILLON,COREY CIN 15.00 R:19- 84 C: 1- 6 TD: R1 RB DUNN,WARRICK ATL 8.60 R:13- 62 C: 5- 24 RB MACK,STACEY HOU 3.10 R:13- 31 C: 1- 0 RB MORRIS,MAURICE SEA 6.70 R:11- 67 RB SHIPP,MARCEL ARI 0.60 R: 4- 6 WR BATES,D'WAYNE MIN 3.80 C: 2- 18 WR CHAMBERS,CHRIS MIA 13.10 C: 4- 91 WR HARRISON,MARVIN IND 14.90 C: 3- 59 TD: C35 WR KENNISON,EDDIE KC 8.30 C: 4- 43 WR RANDLE EL,ANTWAAN PIT 4.50 C: 3- 15 WR WAYNE,REGGIE IND 4.20 C: 2- 22 TE ALEXANDER,STEPHEN SD 0.00 TE JONES,FREDDIE ARI 10.50 C: 4- 25 K AKERS,DAVID PHI 6.00 FGs: 57 XPs:1/1 K CHANDLER,JEFF SF 6.00 FGs: -43, 35 XPs:3/3 Def INDIANAPOLIS IND 23.00 FR:1 I:1-75 S:5-26 PA:7 YA:236 TD:Int:75 Def NY JETS NYJ 3.00 FR:1 S:1-1 PA:21 YA:376 ____________________________ ______ _________________________________________ Starter Points = 114.68 Potential Points = 114.68 Here are your 2 finalists from Survivor 1...Note both only carried 2 QBs the entire year and Chase only had one virtually all year. 2003 Fantasy Football League Scoring Breakdown for 2003 Week #16================================================================ 5. Chase Stuart -------------------------------------------------------------------------QB FAVRE,BRETT GB 36.0 P:22-30-0-399 TD: P22, P23, P43, P6 QB WARNER,KURT STL 0.0 RB GEORGE,EDDIE TEN 9.5 R:19- 79 C: 1- 6 RB HOLMES,PRIEST KC 33.5 R:18- 55 C: 5- 50 TD: R2, R4, R1 RB SMITH,EMMITT ARI 7.6 R: 4- 9 C: 4- 27 RB STEWART,JAMES DET 0.0 RB THOMAS,ANTHONY CHI 23.2 R:32-141 C: 2- 11 TD: R3 WR FERGUSON,ROBERT GB 11.5 C: 3- 85 WR MOSS,RANDY MIN 30.1 C: 7-111 P: 0- 1-0- 0 TD: C30, C21 WR ROGERS,CHARLES DET 0.0 WR WALKER,JAVON GB 28.4 C: 4-124 TD: C23, C43 WR WARD,HINES PIT 24.6 C: 6- 94 R: 3- 32 TD: C20 TE ALEXANDER,STEPHEN SD 0.0 TE JONES,FREDDIE ARI 5.1 C: 2- 11 K CARNEY,JOHN NO 7.0 FGs: 33, 38 XPs:1/2 K LONGWELL,RYAN GB 11.0 FGs: 31, 27 XPs:5/5 Def NY JETS NYJ 3.0 I:1-23 PA:14 YA:271 Def PITTSBURGH PIT 14.0 FR:1 I:2-24 S:2-12 PA:24 YA:344 TD:Int:25 _________________________ _____ _________________________________________ Starter Points = 205.9 Potential Points = 205.9 6. Ken Maxwell -------------------------------------------------------------------------QB CULPEPPER,DAUNTE MIN 26.6 P:20-29-1-260 R: 3- 16 TD: P30, P21, P4 QB GARCIA,JEFF SF 21.3 P:15-29-0-225 R: 5- 20 Conv:1P TD: P15, P33 RB BETTS,LADELL WAS 0.0 RB GORDON,LAMAR STL 1.5 R: 5- 15 RB HEARST,GARRISON SF 0.0 RB MCALLISTER,DEUCE NO 17.3 R:21- 50 C: 6- 63 RB SHIPP,MARCEL ARI 4.6 R:12- 32 C: 1- 4 RB WILLIAMS,MOE MIN 7.2 R: 5- 34 C: 2- 18 WR GARDNER,ROD WAS 10.7 C: 2- 29 P: 1- 2-0- 36 TD: P36 WR HARRISON,MARVIN IND 14.5 C: 6- 85 WR HOLT,TORRY STL 28.4 C:10-124 TD: C28 WR SMITH,JIMMY JAX 3.6 C: 2- 16 WR SMITH,ROD DEN 15.5 C: 4- 42 R: 1- 13 TD: C15 TE BECHT,ANTHONY NYJ 10.9 C: 4- 29 TE FAURIA,CHRISTIAN NE 3.0 C: 1- 10 K VINATIERI,ADAM NE 3.0 XPs:3/3 Def OAKLAND OAK 1.0 S:1-7 PA:41 YA:548 Def TAMPA BAY TB 3.0 FR:1 PA:23 YA:267 _________________________ _____ _________________________________________ Starter Points = 126.4 Potential Points = 126.4 And last but not least, Survivor 2. The winner used the handcuff strategy and only had two QBs all year. The runner-up ran with Manning solo all year. Survivor II Scoring Breakdown for 2003 Week #16=============================================== 6. purlehaze ---------------------------------------------------------------------------QB BLEDSOE,DREW BUF 2.46 P:12-24-1-114 R: 1- -1 QB BRUNELL,MARK JAX 0.00 QB LEFTWICH,BYRON JAX 9.54 P: 9-17-2-131 R: 2- 23 TD: P14 RB ALEXANDER,SHAUN SEA 26.20 R:21-135 C: 1- 7 TD: R9, R44 RB BARLOW,KEVAN SF 30.70 R:30-154 C: 3- 33 TD: C15, R1 RB BETTIS,JEROME PIT 19.10 R:32-115 C: 1- 16 TD: R1 RB CROCKETT,ZACK OAK 0.00 RB DAVIS,STEPHEN CAR 0.00 WR BOSTON,DAVID SD 2.90 C: 2- 9 WR BRUCE,ISAAC STL 0.00 WR COLES,LAVERANUES WAS 28.40 C: 7- 94 TD: C14, C19 WR GALLOWAY,JOEY DAL 7.40 C: 1- 64 WR WALKER,JAVON GB 28.40 C: 4-124 TD: C23, C43 TE JOHNSON,ERIC SF 0.00 TE RICKS,MIKHAEL DET 0.00 K DAWSON,PHIL CLE 0.00 K MARE,OLINDO MIA 8.00 FGs: 28, 30 XPs:2/2 K REED,JEFF PIT 14.00 FGs: 47, 40 XPs:4/5 Def BUFFALO BUF 19.00 FR:1 I:1-2 S:2-9 PA:13 YA:169 Def MIAMI MIA 35.00 FR:3 I:1-74 S:6-51 PA:3 YA:177 TD:Int:74 __________________________ ______ _________________________________________ Starter Points = 179.64 Potential Points = 179.64 9. GregR ---------------------------------------------------------------------------QB COUCH,TIM CLE 4.52 P:17-33-1-163 QB MANNING,PEYTON IND 6.34 P:12-23-0-146 R: 2- 5 QB REDMAN,CHRIS BAL 0.00 RB ALSTOTT,MIKE TB 0.00 RB HAMBRICK,TROY DAL 3.60 R:12- 36 RB JAMES,EDGERRIN IND 10.20 R:10- 42 TD: R16 RB JONES,THOMAS TB 8.70 R:17- 73 C: 4- 14 RB WILLIAMS,MOE MIN 5.20 R: 5- 34 C: 2- 18 WR BOOKER,MARTY CHI 18.00 C: 4- 80 TD: C59 WR JOHNSON,ANDRE HOU 15.80 C: 5-108 WR JUREVICIUS,JOE TB 0.00 WR MORTON,JOHNNIE KC 6.20 C: 1- 13 R: 1- 39 WR MOSS,RANDY MIN 30.10 C: 7-111 P: 0- 1-0- 0 TD: C30, C21 WR THRASH,JAMES PHI 2.30 C: 1- 13 TE BECHT,ANTHONY NYJ 10.90 C: 4- 29 TE CLARK,DESMOND CHI 2.40 C: 1- 4 K HALL,JOHN WAS 6.00 FGs: -31, 27 XPs:3/3 K WILKINS,JEFF STL 11.00 FGs: 26, 50 XPs:3/3 Def CINCINNATI CIN 3.00 I:1-0 S:1-1 PA:27 YA:371 Def TAMPA BAY TB 5.00 FR:1 PA:23 YA:267 __________________________ ______ _________________________________________ Starter Points = 116.04 Potential Points = 116.04
 
Purplehaze

Pick Pos Player Team

06.12 QB Chad Pennington NYJ/3

05.01 RB Warrick Dunn Atl/9

11.01 WR Jerry Rice Oak/10

LHUCKS

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06.11 QB Brett Favre GB/9

08.11 WR Javon Walker GB/9

15.02 WR Johnnie Morton KC/5

bueno

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03.03 QB Peyton Manning Ind/6

04.10 WR Anquan Boldin Ari/6

05.03 WR Darrell Jackson Sea/4

:eek: 3 gems there

JAA

Pick Pos Player Team

03.04 RB Rudi Johnson Cin/5

07.04 WR Amani Toomer NYG/6

12.09 WR Brandon Lloyd SF/7

BassNBrew

Pick Pos Player Team

08.08 QB Brad Johnson TB/8

07.05 WR Jerry Porter Oak/10

Footballman69

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05.06 QB Donovan McNabb Phi/5 WTF???

02.07 RB Domanick Davis Hou/7

20.07 WR Justin Gage Chi/5

EastbayFunk

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06.06 QB Aaron Brooks NO/8

04.06 WR Andre Johnson Hou/7

15.07 WR Drew Bennett Ten/9

TurboPunch

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06.05 QB Trent Green KC/5

03.08 RB Curtis Martin NYJ/3

04.05 WR Derrick Mason Ten/9

Tick

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01.09 RB Jamal Lewis Bal/6

07.09 WR Jimmy Smith Jac/9

TommyGunZ

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02.03 RB Kevan Barlow SF/7

05.10 WR Santana Moss NYJ/3 WOW!

07.10 WR David Boston Mia/10

switz

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04.02 RB Duce Staley Pit/7

06.02 RB Garrison Hearst Den/10

radballs

Pick Pos Player Team

06.01 QB Matt Hasselbeck Sea/4

04.01 RB Michael Bennett Min/4

03.12 RB Brian Westbrook Phi/5

05.12 WR Peerless Price Atl/9

07.12 WR Marty Booker Chi/5

14.01 WR Andre' Davis Cle/8
Some good values that jumped out at me from each team.
 
I completely agree with the 3 QB strategy.  I think those teams with only 2 will have a more challenging time surviving.  Along these same lines, it didn't make sense to me to see other QBs that have competition go off the board before sure starters even if their respective upside is higher.  Yes, at this point, I'd rather have Boller than Warner.
The importance of three QBs is a myth being over hyped around here...
Pretty interesting Bass, but there are a lot of other factors going into it besides just the QB. Sorry Nads, but that team was just awful so throw that one out. Chris's team was decent but he got busted up with players at other positions.Loquitor really only had two QBs so that backs up my point. Your team wasn't really anything to write home about and all 3 of your QBs decided to take a dump on you in one week. Chase only had 1 QB and caught fire with Favre, Walker, and A. Thomas. Ken flat out had a great team. It would be interesting to see how he got Deuce, Harrison, Holt, and Culpepper all on one team. It seems like he got an extra pick somewhere in there. Haze had that sleeper Javon Walker. What's up with that guy? I wonder how Haze would have fared if he had drafted only 2 QBs, Brunell and Bledsoe? GregR had a good team. He drafted 3 QBs. One of them didn't pan out and he had a RB in Thomas Jones that got hot at the right time and his receivers were very good. Combine this with the small sample size and I'm still not sure you've convinced me yet. We'll see how it pans out this year.
 
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The numerous messageboard 16 team survivor leagues I was in also support my conclusion that QB isn't essential to surviving.
You can't compare this QB strategy from 18 round, 16 team leagues to 20 round, 12 team leagues.
 
Just wanted to let you know though Bass, that you made my final three, so you obviously have some great strategies. I like your team. My team analysis and predictions for knock outs will be coming shortly. ;)

 
radballs Pick Pos Player Team

06.01 QB Matt Hasselbeck Sea/4

04.01 RB Michael Bennett Min/4

03.12 RB Brian Westbrook Phi/5

05.12 WR Peerless Price Atl/9

07.12 WR Marty Booker Chi/5

14.01 WR Andre' Davis Cle/8
Some good values that jumped out at me from each team.

Wow, I got 6 from the Captain and he didn't even include one of my two favorites, David Givens, at 15.12.

 
EBF Team Analysis

Below is my analysis for the teams in EBF Invitational. Rating is graded on a 10.0 point scale based on quality and depth at each position. 1.0 being the worst and 10.0 the best based on all of the teams.

Disclaimer: The overall team rating will not necessarily correlate with where I think a team will be eliminated. Obviously, I’m just having fun with guessing on which week people will be eliminated although I am factoring in bye weeks and roster depth in most cases. I hope that I don’t burn any bridges here. Just trying to provide solid analysis and hear what you guys all think.

Purplehaze67

QBs: Pennington should be pretty good and he has an early bye week which I like. I’m not sold on McCown yet so I would have made sure I had a 3rd one here. In week 3 McCown is on the road against Atlanta, and Pennington has an easy matchup at home against the 49ers during McCown’s bye week, so things look okay for purple based on this. Still, there is potential trouble brewing here.

Rating: 5.0

RBs: Priest is a stud and you got his backup so you can sleep at night. Julius Jones should be the starting RB for the Cowboys, but there is still the possibility that they bring in a veteran that could cut into his playing time. If he is the man, Parcells should use him frequently and he could be pretty big. Still, I probably would have gone with Rudi before Jones. You have the entire RBBC in Atlanta. Oh no, wait a minute, Tommygunz has the biggest piece in Vick. I understand the strategy here, but I disagree with it. You have 5 RBs but they share 3 bye weeks. However, Jones and your Falcons have relatively easy home games during Priest’s and Chad Johnson’s byes. In any case, I would say your RBs right now are better than average.

Rating: 6.5

WRs: Good balance here and they all have late bye weeks after Chad which should work out since you will only miss them for one week during the double weeks. You need Lelie to make a splash this year, Woods to get a lot of work which may not happen, and Rice and Lelie have the same bye week. All in all, not too bad here although there is quite a bit of risk after your first two.

Rating: 7.0

TEs: Pretty good value for these two. Maybe a slight problem in week 9 as Bubba Franks is on a bye and Freddie Jones plays at Miami. Freddie gets a decent amount of receptions so you should be well covered here. The only concern with Jones might be that the Cards have so many options at WR now that his value might take a slight hit.

Rating: 7.0

Ks: I like both of your kickers and their bye weeks are pretty early in the season.

Rating: 6.5

Defenses: With 3 of them that should be decent and early bye weeks, you are set at defense.

Rating: 9.0

Overall rating: 6.5. A good team that could have been better without the early RBBC handcuff. I predict that you will fall in week 5 with Priest and Chad Johnson taking a rest.

LHUCKS

QBs: 3 definite starters is a nice option to have. Favre threw for the most TDs in the league last year, but I’m still not too high on him going into this year. Ahman Green seems to be making up a larger part of that offense. Plummer seems like he might be a little brittle and his offensive weapons have dramatically declined from last year. Grossman is a wildcard, but overall, not too bad here.

Rating: 7.0

RBs: Very strong starters here. I didn’t like Green getting handcuffed to Suggs so early, but it may work out. You have 4 RBs but really just 3. Still, Henry was incredible value where you got him. Only potential problems I see is if McGahee starts to significantly cut into Henry’s production (not likely) and the fact that you only have 2 RBs when one of the other ones are on a bye. Depth is the question mark here.

Rating: 7.5

WRs: I love Ward in this scoring system. The rest of your receiving core is so-so, but you’ve made up for question marks with quantity. You have a couple WRs that have the same bye week as another one, but that shouldn’t be a huge deal here.

Rating: 7.0

TEs: If you don’t have one of the big 4, McMichael and Witten are two guys that would be on my short list for top 10 TEs.

Rating: 7.5

Ks: Kasay and Mare should be decent. Nothing special here.

Rating: 6.0

Defenses: Chicago and Jacksonville are not too high up on my board. Slightly below average.

Rating: 4.5

Overall rating: 7.5. I predict you will be booted after weeks 9/10.

bueno

QBs: Studs here in Manning and McNair. Only problem is a lack of a third starter, but each of the two of them have nice matchups on the other player’s bye week.

Rating: 9.0

RBs: Ahman Green is a top 4 back. Stephen Davis will get rushing yardage and TDs, but he’s not suited for 1 ppr leagues. Outside of these two you are in a lot of trouble, and I think that this will be your undoing.

Rating: 4.5

WRs: I like Boldin and Darrell Jackson but you have a lot of question marks after that.

Rating: 5.5

TEs: Crumpler should have a great year and Weaver is a wildcard right now. Good pairing and you only miss them for one week in the 9/10. Problem is one of them has each of those bye weeks.

Rating: 7.0

Ks: Great set of 3 here.

Rating: 10.0

Defenses: Stud defenses in Baltimore and Carolina.

Rating: 9.0

Overall rating: 6.0. I think you concentrated too much on great QBs early and neglected the all-important RB position too much. You’re off the island in week 3 while Davis nurses his already sore legs. If you’re other positions somehow carry you past only having one RB in week 3, you and LHUCKS will battle it out for the 9/10 boot.

JAA

QBs: Culpepper and Bulger are very similar to the caliber of QBs that bueno has which are great. No third QB.

Rating: 9.0

RBs: Started out great with Deuce and got great value with Rudi at the 3.04. You then seemed to neglect the position and then you wasted a lot of picks on reaches. Still you might get something out of the Raider contingent. Maybe A-Train gets some work or steals playing time away from Thomas Jones.

Rating: 6.0

WRs: Mediocre here. I expect Toomer to rebound a bit and Chambers should be improved. Lloyd should be starting, but that offense could be a mess. Then, you took two rookies. They all have different bye weeks so that’s a plus, but I would have grabbed a 6th WR before a 7th RB.

Rating: 5.5

TEs: Strong with Heap and Becht’s not too bad.

Rating: 8.0

Ks: Early bye weeks and Elling is in a high powered offense kicking on turf for 11 games. Not ranked very high, but should be okay here.

Rating: 6.0

Defenses: Weak here but both teams may improve.

Rating: 4.0

Overall rating: 6.0. Great QBs, very good starting RBs, and a top 3 TE. Average to below average everywhere else and little real depth. JAA goes by the wayside after weeks 7/8.

BassNBrew

QBs: 3 mediocre QBs with different bye weeks. Will Rattay come back from injury? Could Gannon really go to Tampa and replace BJ? I’d say yes to the first and no to the second, but there is some added risk there. I like Harrington to have a pretty good year with his new weapons.

Rating: 7.0

RBs: Pretty good here with Portis, Barber, and Foster. As long as Foster is getting 30-40% of the work by week 6, Bass should be in pretty good shape here. Barber is underrated in a 1ppr league and you got Dayne just in case a miracle happens there. Some slight injury concerns but well-balanced.

Rating: 7.0

WRs: You’ve got the Panther receiving game and good overall depth here. Lot of upside players that I think should perform much better than last year ( K-Rob, Porter, and Driver).

Rating: 7.5

TEs: Got the stud in Gonzo and Mili should be decent, but Stevens makes me a little nervous.

Rating: 8.5

Ks: Nothing special here.

Rating: 6.0

Defenses: The New England D should be tough again and I expect Atlanta to rebound closer to its 2002 levels. Pretty good here.

Rating: 8.0

Overall rating: 7.5. Very good overall team balance and few bye week problems. I like this team to go pretty far. Will finally run out of gas after the 13/14 weeks.

footballman_696969

QBs: Pretty solid with McNabb and Garcia. Both of them get rushing yardage and should have pretty good years. A 3rd starter instead of a WR7 would have earned a 9 here.

Rating: 8.5

RBs: Good RBs here. The top 3, Shaun Alexander, Domanick Davis, and Charlie Garner, don’t share any bye weeks so that’s a plus. Will need Garner to be the clear cut starter in TB and he should be.

Rating: 7.5

WRs: Not good at all. Keenan should get a lot of catches and Rod Smith could be okay, but overall I don’t like this WR squad even with the added depth.

Rating: 4.5

TEs: Shockey is the man and Kinney should be pretty good. Shockey’s foot and other injury concerns are the only problems here.

Rating: 8.0

Ks: Elam and Feely are both good kickers with one having a bye on week 9 and the other the next week. That gives you only one kicker for each of those weeks, but that shouldn’t be a huge problem.

Rating: 7.5

Defenses: Tampa and Dallas are both tough and should be very good fantasy defenses this year.

Rating: 7.5

Overall rating: 7.0. The receiving core substantially brings this team down and I think it will catch up to FM in week 6.

East Bay Funk

QBs: Brooks should be good but he can be streaky. Good thing you backed him up with 2 other starters. Pretty good here.

Rating: 7.5

RBs: James should have a great year. I thought Kevin Jones was a huge reach at 2.06 although I like his chances this season. Bell was a reach too I believe. Not excited about the prospects of Fargas or Perry.

Rating: 6.0

WR: I love the first two in Coles and Andre Johnson but they share the same bye week. Decent depth here, but will need some of these late picks to emerge.

Rating: 7.0

TEs: Eric Johnson and L.J. Smith are high upside TEs. There’s obviously some risk here with Johnson’s health history and Smith’s inexperience, but this could be okay.

Rating: 5.5

Ks: Hall and Hanson should be average or slightly above average.

Rating: 6.0

Defenses: New Orleans and Oakland’s defense are nothing to write home about although the Raiders should be improved with their offseason free agent moves.

Rating: 6.0

Overall rating: 6.0. I don’t really like the RB depth overall unless Bell gets substantial amounts of work and this will hurt EBF’s chances early. He goes down in week 4.

Turbo Punch

QBs: Green should be pretty good and Bledsoe should bounce back from last year’s debacle if the O line can give him some time in the pocket. Not too high on this QB situation because TP didn’t get a 3rd starter. Good thing is that both QBs have their byes relatively early (Weeks 3 and 5) so he should get good production here after week 5.

Rating: 6.0

RBs: Ricky Williams and Curtis Martin are pretty good starters. The thing I like about what you did here is that your other RBs actually should contribute at least a little bit. That should help you during bye weeks for Ricky and Curtis. Decent overall depth, but I don’t like that there is not a true 3rd starting RB.

Rating: 6.5

WRs: I like Holt and Mason a lot. The other four can battle for what will make up your WR3 each week. The only problem I had with Mason last year was he was nowhere to be found for a couple of weeks. Overall, very nice.

Rating: 7.5

TEs: Winslow should be great right away and Kleinsasser could be a decent sleeper pick. I’m going to assume that Winslow has a rookie year close to what Shockey pulled off.

Rating: 8.0

Ks: Wilkins and Brien should be a great duo. Brien has his bye early so that should be a plus to team up with Wilkins.

Rating: 9.0

Defenses: Miami is always tough and Pitt should bounce back a bit. Good here.

Rating: 7.5

Overall rating: 7.5. It’s apparent that Turbo Punch went with the stud at each position theory and then tried to fill in depth across the board. This can work although I don’t necessarily like to put my team together this way. However, I like what you did when you filled in your depth and see you making it until the end of weeks 11/12.

Tick

QBs: This is potentially a pretty decent staff at QB with Brunell, Warner, and Feeley. However, with where these guys were drafted, I think these are risky picks. He might have only one starting QB here, but he could possibly have three. He should have secured better options sooner in the draft.

Rating: 4.5

RBs: Jamal almost broke the all time rushing record last year. Still, he is not suited for this scoring system because he doesn’t catch a lot of balls. Still, he’s a top 10 RB. Dillon could be huge but he was a gamble, especially that early. It’s a little soon to determine how much New England will utilize him. I can sense the team-first mentality clashing with Dillon’s ego and primadonna persona. Recent news regarding Shipp being moved down to the number two back in Arizona doesn’t bother me as much as the fact that he has the same bye week as Lewis. I don’t see Buckhalter having too much of an impact in Philly.

Rating: 6.0

WRs: I really like what you did here Tick in terms of value. You got some big names late and you should do fine in this category. I like Moulds to bounce back big. Joe Horn is a steady possession guy, and Jimmy Smith could still be huge despite his age. I like some of the other guys that you got really late including Washington with your last pick.

Rating: 7.5

TEs: Nice one two punch with Boo and Desmond Clark. They should net you a pretty good return.

Rating: 7.0

Ks: Vandy is king and I think Carney is underrated and like his chances if the New Orleans offense can get a little more consistent. Both guys kick on turf. Very nice.

Rating: 9.0

Defenses: 3 defenses can get you extra points on some weeks. It hurts that Green Bay and Tennessee both have week 9 byes. Not sure why you went that route except for the Giants going very late and they were probably one of the last couple of teams.

Rating: 7.5

Overall rating: 6.0. Your problem here is that your two weakest areas are at the two most important positions, QB and RB. I predict an early exit in week 2.

tommyGunZ

QBs: We’ve all heard it before. With Vick, you get a QB and a RB all in one. I’m not drinking the cool aid on that statement. The guy is the most entertaining player to watch in the NFL since Barry Sanders. Obviously, there are the health issues which make him a little risky, but I think Gunz got terrific value where he got him. Palmer should provide okay stats and the only problem I have with Maddox is Big Ben waiting in the wings. I think Maddox will play every game unless they are having a really bad season, and then they might consider inserting the rookie. Still, it is damn good thing you got two starters (as of now) to back Vick. I like the upside here, but I think you should have gone with a more established backup as your QB2 a little sooner.

Rating: 8.0

RBs: Very nice here. Could very well be the best group of RBs in the league. I like Fred Taylor a lot this year and am not very concerned over the so called vulturing of TDs by either Toefield or Greg Jones. I left Barlow on the table and considered him at 1.12, but decided that the options in San Fran made me a little nervous. I don’t have the confidence that he is as talented, as say, an LT or Jamal Lewis, to get it done with 8 or 9 in the box. But, Barlow could have a great year if he’s more talented than I believe. Also, you got Jones and Eddie George to back your two starters up. I don’t like that Eddie has the same bye as Taylor, but that shouldn’t hurt you.

Rating: 8.5

WRs: Great overall depth and potential here. Good chance of some busts as well. Boston, Burress, and Rogers are gambles but I like them where you got them. Only deficiency here is that you don’t have that true #1 guy. You’ve covered yourself pretty well with depth though.

Rating: 7.5

TEs: Yeah, Gates had some nice games down the stretch but a new, rookie QB is likely to be throwing to him. Troupe is a rookie. Overall, these two are very risky, but they do carry upside. I don’t like the combo though.

Rating: 5.0

Ks: Nothing to look at here.

Rating: 5.5

Defenses: Better than average and you only miss them for one week of a double header.

Rating: 6.0

Overall rating: 8.0. I really like your overall quality and depth at RB and WR. You could have helped yourself with a better backup to Vick, and a more established veteran TE who consistently gets some grabs. Otherwise, very nice. You don’t get bounced until the final week after 15/16.

switz

QBs: Not good. Not good at all. A second year QB and two pieces of the Oakland passing game. I was shocked that you took Lefty before Brady, but we all have differences of opinion. Gannon’s not going anywhere, and if he does, I doubt he’ll be a starter. That leaves you with two starters. I’d be worried here.

Rating: 4.0

RBs: Wow. Pretty pathetic here. Duce will catch a lot of balls and should be the primary back in Pittsburgh. Brown should become the feature back but he just might split carries with George. I’m not sure he is even feature back material anyway. Hearst could be your saving grace IF he gets a lot of the carries in Denver. Onterrio is still a year away, and I just don’t see him getting more than 20 to 25% of the touches. Just way too many question marks here.

Rating: 4.5

WRs: Started out great with the first two although Owens was a reach there. I would much rather have Holt on my team before T.O. After those guys though you didn’t do much to impress. Still, Owens should be a top 10 guy so there’s no question you have the best two WRs in the league.

Rating: 8.5

TEs: Decent TEs in Dallas Clark and Billy Miller. Above average.

Rating: 6.0

Ks: The Gramatica brothers?!? Did you just do this for the wow effect or did you really think they were the best two Ks on the board at the time? In any case, average.

Rating: 5.0

Defenses: Seattle and Buffalo have their bye weeks early and they should be improved. Still, not much better than average.

Rating: 5.5

Overall rating: 5.0. Not a good team. I could see attempting the WR stud theory from the 11 slot. Problem is, your second WR isn’t a true stud anymore. Made mistakes at all the key positions and reached with many of your picks. You won’t last past the first week.

radballs

QBs: Hasselbeck should be a top 5 QB this year in that offense. Brady’s not spectacular but solid and steady. Throw Boller into the mix and I think this is one of the better QB contingencies. I believe I got great value on all 3 of them.

Rating: 8.0

RBs: Faulk is a definite injury concern and he’s getting a little old. Still, I think he’ll have a good season and if he misses some games, I hope that my RB depth will come through. I think Bennett and Westbrook were decent values. I reached a bit for McGahee and Griffin but not much.

Rating: 8.0

WRs: After Harrison, I think I got a few guys who can do some damage. With 6 WR and not one of them sharing a bye week, I should get steady production here.

Rating: 8.0

TEs: I think Graham and Pollard form a slightly above average duo.

Rating: 6.0

Ks: Nothing special, but a little better than average.

Rating: 6.0

Defenses: Mediocre.

Rating: 5.0

Overall rating: 8.0. The overall team balance and values that I got throughout the draft will carry me to the championship although there will be some close weeks. It will be a blast to watch this thing unfold.

Elimination Predictions

1 - switz

2 - Tick

3 - bueno

4 - East Bay Funk

5 - purplehaze67

6 - footballman_696969

7/8 - JAA

9/10 - LHUCKS

11/12 - Turbo Punch

13/14 - BassNBrew

15/16 - tommygunz

radballs, EBF Champion

 
I completely agree with the 3 QB strategy.  I think those teams with only 2 will have a more challenging time surviving.  Along these same lines, it didn't make sense to me to see other QBs that have competition go off the board before sure starters even if their respective upside is higher.  Yes, at this point, I'd rather have Boller than Warner.
The importance of three QBs is a myth being over hyped around here...
Pretty interesting Bass, but there are a lot of other factors going into it besides just the QB. Sorry Nads, but that team was just awful so throw that one out. Chris's team was decent but he got busted up with players at other positions.Loquitor really only had two QBs so that backs up my point. Your team wasn't really anything to write home about and all 3 of your QBs decided to take a dump on you in one week. Chase only had 1 QB and caught fire with Favre, Walker, and A. Thomas. Ken flat out had a great team. It would be interesting to see how he got Deuce, Harrison, Holt, and Culpepper all on one team. It seems like he got an extra pick somewhere in there. Haze had that sleeper Javon Walker. What's up with that guy? I wonder how Haze would have fared if he had drafted only 2 QBs, Brunell and Bledsoe? GregR had a good team. He drafted 3 QBs. One of them didn't pan out and he had a RB in Thomas Jones that got hot at the right time and his receivers were very good. Combine this with the small sample size and I'm still not sure you've convinced me yet. We'll see how it pans out this year.
Survivor 1 was a ten team league so anyone could have had three starting QBs w/o paying much of a price, yet the two teams that made it to the finals were the ones that went lite on QB.In this scoring system, a 200 yard passing performance will net you 10 points. Even if a stud QB posts 400 yards, you're only giving up 10 points at the position. That 200 yards is the eqivalent of a 30 yard TD reception from a WR. Heck, 3 receptions for 20 total yards from your TE will wipe out 2 passing TDs. IMO, a solid non-QB skill player is much more likely to contribute to your overall scoring then a 3rd QB.
 
As an FYI my writeup should be in late this week or next. Im having to take my time with work ( :cry: ) being so crazy these past 2 weeks.JAA

 
The numerous messageboard 16 team survivor leagues I was in also support my conclusion that QB isn't essential to surviving.
BnB spreading the owning around to all who defy him!
 

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