Ebola (1 Viewer)

[Hawks64]

Well not to ratchet the fear down but more people die everyday from diarrhea than have ever died from Ebola.

Proportionally? No.

 

[Tom Servo]

Can be transmitted by air

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-20341423

They are concerned that pigs might be a natural host for the lethal infection.

Start hiding bacon...

 

[NCCommish]

Can be transmitted by air

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-20341423

15 November 2012 Last updated at 19:50 ET

"The reality is that they are contained and they remain local, if it was really an airborne virus like influenza is it would spread all over the place, and that's not happening."

 

[NCCommish]

Well not to ratchet the fear down but more people die everyday from diarrhea than have ever died from Ebola.

Proportionally? No.

Need more words have no idea what you are trying to say. Thousands of young children will die in the 3rd world today due to the effects of diarrhea.

 

[NCCommish]

Not sure how some of you get in a shower each day. You have a better chance of dying in your tub than you do getting Ebola.

 

[Hawks64]

Well not to ratchet the fear down but more people die everyday from diarrhea than have ever died from Ebola.

Proportionally? No.

Need more words have no idea what you are trying to say. Thousands of young children will die in the 3rd world today due to the effects of diarrhea.

How many cases of diarrhea worldwide? How many deaths? Case fatality rate of Ebola is what 70-80%? Not comparable at all IMO. Sure more people die from diarrhea but not at the same rate as people who contract Ebola.

Sure the media is hyping this up but IMO it's irresponsible to bring these two infected workers back to the US. Mistakes happen all the time, it's part of being human, and I don't think it's worth the risk to be honest.

 

[NCCommish]

Well not to ratchet the fear down but more people die everyday from diarrhea than have ever died from Ebola.

Proportionally? No.

Need more words have no idea what you are trying to say. Thousands of young children will die in the 3rd world today due to the effects of diarrhea.

How many cases of diarrhea worldwide? How many deaths? Case fatality rate of Ebola is what 70-80%? Not comparable at all IMO. Sure more people die from diarrhea but not at the same rate as people who contract Ebola.

Sure the media is hyping this up but IMO it's irresponsible to bring these two infected workers back to the US. Mistakes happen all the time, it's part of being human, and I don't think it's worth the risk to be honest.

The data has been posted, literally millions. It is the second largest killer of children under 5. And as for bringing these two here you guys are being ridiculous. We have plague here. Bubonic plague. Something that can actually go pandemic and has in the past. And people are dying from it, here. Why aren't you guys hiding in your basement? We have thousands of people here with largely fatal communicable diseases being treated in our hospitals. Why do you guys "risk" going out in public at all?

Really need to dial back the overwrought hysteria a bit.

 

[gianmarco]

Well not to ratchet the fear down but more people die everyday from diarrhea than have ever died from Ebola.

Proportionally? No.

Need more words have no idea what you are trying to say. Thousands of young children will die in the 3rd world today due to the effects of diarrhea.

How many cases of diarrhea worldwide? How many deaths? Case fatality rate of Ebola is what 70-80%? Not comparable at all IMO. Sure more people die from diarrhea but not at the same rate as people who contract Ebola.

Sure the media is hyping this up but IMO it's irresponsible to bring these two infected workers back to the US. Mistakes happen all the time, it's part of being human, and I don't think it's worth the risk to be honest.

The data has been posted, literally millions. It is the second largest killer of children under 5. And as for bringing these two here you guys are being ridiculous. We have plague here. Bubonic plague. Something that can actually go pandemic and has in the past. And people are dying from it, here. Why aren't you guys hiding in your basement? We have thousands of people here with largely fatal communicable diseases being treated in our hospitals. Why do you guys "risk" going out in public at all?

Really need to dial back the overwrought hysteria a bit.

 

[Hawks64]

Well not to ratchet the fear down but more people die everyday from diarrhea than have ever died from Ebola.

Proportionally? No.

Need more words have no idea what you are trying to say. Thousands of young children will die in the 3rd world today due to the effects of diarrhea.

How many cases of diarrhea worldwide? How many deaths? Case fatality rate of Ebola is what 70-80%? Not comparable at all IMO. Sure more people die from diarrhea but not at the same rate as people who contract Ebola.

Sure the media is hyping this up but IMO it's irresponsible to bring these two infected workers back to the US. Mistakes happen all the time, it's part of being human, and I don't think it's worth the risk to be honest.

The data has been posted, literally millions. It is the second largest killer of children under 5. And as for bringing these two here you guys are being ridiculous. We have plague here. Bubonic plague. Something that can actually go pandemic and has in the past. And people are dying from it, here. Why aren't you guys hiding in your basement? We have thousands of people here with largely fatal communicable diseases being treated in our hospitals. Why do you guys "risk" going out in public at all?

Really need to dial back the overwrought hysteria a bit.

And yet the cfr for diarrhea doesn't even come close to that of ebola. It can be treated. Ebola has an experimental treatment that has not yet proved to be effective.

Why bring up the plague? There is a treatment for the plague. The closer comparison is Anthrax, no treatment and a cfr of over 90%. Since there is no known treatment for ebola IMO it makes it irresponsible to bring the aid workers back here. I am not hysterical, nor overwrought, but you act as if this is the common cold. I am quite sure that the CDC has ebola in it's vaults as well, but an active infection in the wild being brought here is not a good move IMO.

 

[shader]

Well not to ratchet the fear down but more people die everyday from diarrhea than have ever died from Ebola.

Proportionally? No.

Need more words have no idea what you are trying to say. Thousands of young children will die in the 3rd world today due to the effects of diarrhea.

How many cases of diarrhea worldwide? How many deaths? Case fatality rate of Ebola is what 70-80%? Not comparable at all IMO. Sure more people die from diarrhea but not at the same rate as people who contract Ebola.

Sure the media is hyping this up but IMO it's irresponsible to bring these two infected workers back to the US. Mistakes happen all the time, it's part of being human, and I don't think it's worth the risk to be honest.

The data has been posted, literally millions. It is the second largest killer of children under 5. And as for bringing these two here you guys are being ridiculous. We have plague here. Bubonic plague. Something that can actually go pandemic and has in the past. And people are dying from it, here. Why aren't you guys hiding in your basement? We have thousands of people here with largely fatal communicable diseases being treated in our hospitals. Why do you guys "risk" going out in public at all?

Really need to dial back the overwrought hysteria a bit.

You are acting as if this is no big deal, when the WHO disagrees with you.

I don't think it's a problem HERE, as we can go on lockdown and contain this thing in the US pretty quickly if we needed to.

But I worry that it could become a nightmare in Africa. Yeah, it's easy to contain, as they've done many times before. But the problem is that if it gets outside of the boundaries of what the medical community can do, it's past the "containment" stage and moves into the "epidemic" stage where massive quarantines need to occur in Africa.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28610112

The WHO isn't taking this lightly. Yeah, it would be difficult for it to spread in the US. But if they can't contain this quickly in Africa, the entire third world is at risk of a major epidemic, imo.

 

[NCCommish]

Well not to ratchet the fear down but more people die everyday from diarrhea than have ever died from Ebola.

Proportionally? No.

Need more words have no idea what you are trying to say. Thousands of young children will die in the 3rd world today due to the effects of diarrhea.

How many cases of diarrhea worldwide? How many deaths? Case fatality rate of Ebola is what 70-80%? Not comparable at all IMO. Sure more people die from diarrhea but not at the same rate as people who contract Ebola.

Sure the media is hyping this up but IMO it's irresponsible to bring these two infected workers back to the US. Mistakes happen all the time, it's part of being human, and I don't think it's worth the risk to be honest.

The data has been posted, literally millions. It is the second largest killer of children under 5. And as for bringing these two here you guys are being ridiculous. We have plague here. Bubonic plague. Something that can actually go pandemic and has in the past. And people are dying from it, here. Why aren't you guys hiding in your basement? We have thousands of people here with largely fatal communicable diseases being treated in our hospitals. Why do you guys "risk" going out in public at all?

Really need to dial back the overwrought hysteria a bit.

You are acting as if this is no big deal, when the WHO disagrees with you.

I don't think it's a problem HERE, as we can go on lockdown and contain this thing in the US pretty quickly if we needed to.

But I worry that it could become a nightmare in Africa. Yeah, it's easy to contain, as they've done many times before. But the problem is that if it gets outside of the boundaries of what the medical community can do, it's past the "containment" stage and moves into the "epidemic" stage where massive quarantines need to occur in Africa.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28610112

The WHO isn't taking this lightly. Yeah, it would be difficult for it to spread in the US. But if they can't contain this quickly in Africa, the entire third world is at risk of a major epidemic, imo.

I am not taking it lightly. And it is a major problem in Africa. But we are talking here right now not some village in Africa. We are talking a top hospital in a first world country.

 

[shader]

Well not to ratchet the fear down but more people die everyday from diarrhea than have ever died from Ebola.

Proportionally? No.

Need more words have no idea what you are trying to say. Thousands of young children will die in the 3rd world today due to the effects of diarrhea.

How many cases of diarrhea worldwide? How many deaths? Case fatality rate of Ebola is what 70-80%? Not comparable at all IMO. Sure more people die from diarrhea but not at the same rate as people who contract Ebola.

Sure the media is hyping this up but IMO it's irresponsible to bring these two infected workers back to the US. Mistakes happen all the time, it's part of being human, and I don't think it's worth the risk to be honest.

The data has been posted, literally millions. It is the second largest killer of children under 5. And as for bringing these two here you guys are being ridiculous. We have plague here. Bubonic plague. Something that can actually go pandemic and has in the past. And people are dying from it, here. Why aren't you guys hiding in your basement? We have thousands of people here with largely fatal communicable diseases being treated in our hospitals. Why do you guys "risk" going out in public at all?

Really need to dial back the overwrought hysteria a bit.

You are acting as if this is no big deal, when the WHO disagrees with you.

I don't think it's a problem HERE, as we can go on lockdown and contain this thing in the US pretty quickly if we needed to.

But I worry that it could become a nightmare in Africa. Yeah, it's easy to contain, as they've done many times before. But the problem is that if it gets outside of the boundaries of what the medical community can do, it's past the "containment" stage and moves into the "epidemic" stage where massive quarantines need to occur in Africa.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28610112

The WHO isn't taking this lightly. Yeah, it would be difficult for it to spread in the US. But if they can't contain this quickly in Africa, the entire third world is at risk of a major epidemic, imo.

I am not taking it lightly. And it is a major problem in Africa. But we are talking here right now not some village in Africa. We are talking a top hospital in a first world country.

The major risk I see to the US is the economy. In a worst-case scenario where this thing explodes through the third world, it would likely bring the economy to it's knees, imo.

 

[NCCommish]

Well not to ratchet the fear down but more people die everyday from diarrhea than have ever died from Ebola.

Proportionally? No.

Need more words have no idea what you are trying to say. Thousands of young children will die in the 3rd world today due to the effects of diarrhea.

How many cases of diarrhea worldwide? How many deaths? Case fatality rate of Ebola is what 70-80%? Not comparable at all IMO. Sure more people die from diarrhea but not at the same rate as people who contract Ebola.

Sure the media is hyping this up but IMO it's irresponsible to bring these two infected workers back to the US. Mistakes happen all the time, it's part of being human, and I don't think it's worth the risk to be honest.

The data has been posted, literally millions. It is the second largest killer of children under 5. And as for bringing these two here you guys are being ridiculous. We have plague here. Bubonic plague. Something that can actually go pandemic and has in the past. And people are dying from it, here. Why aren't you guys hiding in your basement? We have thousands of people here with largely fatal communicable diseases being treated in our hospitals. Why do you guys "risk" going out in public at all?

Really need to dial back the overwrought hysteria a bit.

And yet the cfr for diarrhea doesn't even come close to that of ebola. It can be treated. Ebola has an experimental treatment that has not yet proved to be effective.

Why bring up the plague? There is a treatment for the plague. The closer comparison is Anthrax, no treatment and a cfr of over 90%. Since there is no known treatment for ebola IMO it makes it irresponsible to bring the aid workers back here. I am not hysterical, nor overwrought, but you act as if this is the common cold. I am quite sure that the CDC has ebola in it's vaults as well, but an active infection in the wild being brought here is not a good move IMO.

Yeah you are coming off a bit over the top panicky. I understand we don't have a cure. I also understand how hard it is to pass if you follow standard infectious protocol and know what you are dealing with. Which the people in the US receiving these people will.

 

[NCCommish]

Well not to ratchet the fear down but more people die everyday from diarrhea than have ever died from Ebola.

Proportionally? No.

Need more words have no idea what you are trying to say. Thousands of young children will die in the 3rd world today due to the effects of diarrhea.

How many cases of diarrhea worldwide? How many deaths? Case fatality rate of Ebola is what 70-80%? Not comparable at all IMO. Sure more people die from diarrhea but not at the same rate as people who contract Ebola.

Sure the media is hyping this up but IMO it's irresponsible to bring these two infected workers back to the US. Mistakes happen all the time, it's part of being human, and I don't think it's worth the risk to be honest.

The data has been posted, literally millions. It is the second largest killer of children under 5. And as for bringing these two here you guys are being ridiculous. We have plague here. Bubonic plague. Something that can actually go pandemic and has in the past. And people are dying from it, here. Why aren't you guys hiding in your basement? We have thousands of people here with largely fatal communicable diseases being treated in our hospitals. Why do you guys "risk" going out in public at all?

Really need to dial back the overwrought hysteria a bit.

You are acting as if this is no big deal, when the WHO disagrees with you.

I don't think it's a problem HERE, as we can go on lockdown and contain this thing in the US pretty quickly if we needed to.

But I worry that it could become a nightmare in Africa. Yeah, it's easy to contain, as they've done many times before. But the problem is that if it gets outside of the boundaries of what the medical community can do, it's past the "containment" stage and moves into the "epidemic" stage where massive quarantines need to occur in Africa.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28610112

The WHO isn't taking this lightly. Yeah, it would be difficult for it to spread in the US. But if they can't contain this quickly in Africa, the entire third world is at risk of a major epidemic, imo.

I am not taking it lightly. And it is a major problem in Africa. But we are talking here right now not some village in Africa. We are talking a top hospital in a first world country.

The major risk I see to the US is the economy. In a worst-case scenario where this thing explodes through the third world, it would likely bring the economy to it's knees, imo.

This thing just doesn't lend itself to pandemic. By the time you are contagious you are too sick to travel and you tend to die fairly quickly after that. So it defeats itself by being so deadly. Now again should it go common cold aerosol spread then yeah stuff gets serious real quick and I would completely agree with some of the folks here. But that simply isn't the case today.

 

[Hawks64]

Well not to ratchet the fear down but more people die everyday from diarrhea than have ever died from Ebola.

Proportionally? No.

Need more words have no idea what you are trying to say. Thousands of young children will die in the 3rd world today due to the effects of diarrhea.

How many cases of diarrhea worldwide? How many deaths? Case fatality rate of Ebola is what 70-80%? Not comparable at all IMO. Sure more people die from diarrhea but not at the same rate as people who contract Ebola.

Sure the media is hyping this up but IMO it's irresponsible to bring these two infected workers back to the US. Mistakes happen all the time, it's part of being human, and I don't think it's worth the risk to be honest.

The data has been posted, literally millions. It is the second largest killer of children under 5. And as for bringing these two here you guys are being ridiculous. We have plague here. Bubonic plague. Something that can actually go pandemic and has in the past. And people are dying from it, here. Why aren't you guys hiding in your basement? We have thousands of people here with largely fatal communicable diseases being treated in our hospitals. Why do you guys "risk" going out in public at all?

Really need to dial back the overwrought hysteria a bit.

And yet the cfr for diarrhea doesn't even come close to that of ebola. It can be treated. Ebola has an experimental treatment that has not yet proved to be effective.

Why bring up the plague? There is a treatment for the plague. The closer comparison is Anthrax, no treatment and a cfr of over 90%. Since there is no known treatment for ebola IMO it makes it irresponsible to bring the aid workers back here. I am not hysterical, nor overwrought, but you act as if this is the common cold. I am quite sure that the CDC has ebola in it's vaults as well, but an active infection in the wild being brought here is not a good move IMO.

Yeah you are coming off a bit over the top panicky. I understand we don't have a cure. I also understand how hard it is to pass if you follow standard infectious protocol and know what you are dealing with. Which the people in the US receiving these people will.

Nope, I don't understand why you don't think it's not a risk to bring them here. Not bringing them here = zero risk. So why introduce risk for no reason?

 

[dutch]

Experimental Ebola vaccine will be tested on people NEXT MONTH as U.S. pushes clinical trial of possible life-saving drug

and on the capitalist side of it:

Tekmira Pharmaceuticals : shares skyrocket as Ebola outbreak intensifies in Africa

 

[Tom Servo]

You are acting as if this is no big deal, when the WHO disagrees with you.

I don't think it's a problem HERE, as we can go on lockdown and contain this thing in the US pretty quickly if we needed to.

But I worry that it could become a nightmare in Africa. Yeah, it's easy to contain, as they've done many times before. But the problem is that if it gets outside of the boundaries of what the medical community can do, it's past the "containment" stage and moves into the "epidemic" stage where massive quarantines need to occur in Africa.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28610112

The WHO isn't taking this lightly. Yeah, it would be difficult for it to spread in the US. But if they can't contain this quickly in Africa, the entire third world is at risk of a major epidemic, imo.

How would that happen? If we're talking about quarantining cities, the poop will definitely hit the fan here.

 

[dutch]

Well not to ratchet the fear down but more people die everyday from diarrhea than have ever died from Ebola.

Proportionally? No.

Need more words have no idea what you are trying to say. Thousands of young children will die in the 3rd world today due to the effects of diarrhea.

How many cases of diarrhea worldwide? How many deaths? Case fatality rate of Ebola is what 70-80%? Not comparable at all IMO. Sure more people die from diarrhea but not at the same rate as people who contract Ebola.

Sure the media is hyping this up but IMO it's irresponsible to bring these two infected workers back to the US. Mistakes happen all the time, it's part of being human, and I don't think it's worth the risk to be honest.

The data has been posted, literally millions. It is the second largest killer of children under 5. And as for bringing these two here you guys are being ridiculous. We have plague here. Bubonic plague. Something that can actually go pandemic and has in the past. And people are dying from it, here. Why aren't you guys hiding in your basement? We have thousands of people here with largely fatal communicable diseases being treated in our hospitals. Why do you guys "risk" going out in public at all?

Really need to dial back the overwrought hysteria a bit.

And yet the cfr for diarrhea doesn't even come close to that of ebola. It can be treated. Ebola has an experimental treatment that has not yet proved to be effective.

Why bring up the plague? There is a treatment for the plague. The closer comparison is Anthrax, no treatment and a cfr of over 90%. Since there is no known treatment for ebola IMO it makes it irresponsible to bring the aid workers back here. I am not hysterical, nor overwrought, but you act as if this is the common cold. I am quite sure that the CDC has ebola in it's vaults as well, but an active infection in the wild being brought here is not a good move IMO.

Yeah you are coming off a bit over the top panicky. I understand we don't have a cure. I also understand how hard it is to pass if you follow standard infectious protocol and know what you are dealing with. Which the people in the US receiving these people will.

Nope, I don't understand why you don't think it's not a risk to bring them here. Not bringing them here = zero risk. So why introduce risk for no reason?

The reason to introduce the very minimal risk to others is to help two fellow Americans who are in very critical condition and need as much medical care as possible and also to allow family to be close should Writebol and Brantly succumb. The reward far outweighs any risk at this point.

 

[Guest]

Find it curious how so many doctors are contracting it. Assume they scrub, wear masks, use latex gloves... Are they are exposed through fluids on their clothes, maybe from coughing and sneezing? It's not supposedly airborne, so it shouldn't be from breathing the air. Is this just a product of not washing or removing clothing properly?

The million dollar question for me is just how hard is this to come down with, relative to the flu? Much, much harder I suppose, to the point where the two aren't comparable. If there is something about the strain that is particularly communicable, I suppose we'll know by mid August if it spreads more widely than supposed. Average incubation is 15 days.

Sure hope we see trends consistent with it spreading only in environments that are typically conducive. If it appeared otherwise, that would be pretty scary.

How many doctors have contracted it? The guy in the OP didn't know he was dealing with Ebola. There have been a few cases over the years but when you consider the number of doctors involved it's a very small percentage overall.

100+ healthcare workers

www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/01/us-health-ebola-healthworkers-idUSKBN0G14FR20140801

 

[B-Deep]

Listen, it is not like the US has any history of mishandling these dangerous viruses....

 

[NCCommish]

Find it curious how so many doctors are contracting it. Assume they scrub, wear masks, use latex gloves... Are they are exposed through fluids on their clothes, maybe from coughing and sneezing? It's not supposedly airborne, so it shouldn't be from breathing the air. Is this just a product of not washing or removing clothing properly?

The million dollar question for me is just how hard is this to come down with, relative to the flu? Much, much harder I suppose, to the point where the two aren't comparable. If there is something about the strain that is particularly communicable, I suppose we'll know by mid August if it spreads more widely than supposed. Average incubation is 15 days.

Sure hope we see trends consistent with it spreading only in environments that are typically conducive. If it appeared otherwise, that would be pretty scary.

How many doctors have contracted it? The guy in the OP didn't know he was dealing with Ebola. There have been a few cases over the years but when you consider the number of doctors involved it's a very small percentage overall.

100+ healthcare workers

www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/01/us-health-ebola-healthworkers-idUSKBN0G14FR20140801

World Health Organization (WHO) experts strongly deny there is any problem with the protective equipment. They point to a chronic lack of experienced staff that is forcing health workers to cut corners in the arduous daily task of decontaminating wards and treating patients.

 

[shader]

Find it curious how so many doctors are contracting it. Assume they scrub, wear masks, use latex gloves... Are they are exposed through fluids on their clothes, maybe from coughing and sneezing? It's not supposedly airborne, so it shouldn't be from breathing the air. Is this just a product of not washing or removing clothing properly?

The million dollar question for me is just how hard is this to come down with, relative to the flu? Much, much harder I suppose, to the point where the two aren't comparable. If there is something about the strain that is particularly communicable, I suppose we'll know by mid August if it spreads more widely than supposed. Average incubation is 15 days.

Sure hope we see trends consistent with it spreading only in environments that are typically conducive. If it appeared otherwise, that would be pretty scary.

How many doctors have contracted it? The guy in the OP didn't know he was dealing with Ebola. There have been a few cases over the years but when you consider the number of doctors involved it's a very small percentage overall.

100+ healthcare workers

www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/01/us-health-ebola-healthworkers-idUSKBN0G14FR20140801

World Health Organization (WHO) experts strongly deny there is any problem with the protective equipment. They point to a chronic lack of experienced staff that is forcing health workers to cut corners in the arduous daily task of decontaminating wards and treating patients.

Exactly. When 5-10 people have Ebola, you take your best people and stifle the outbreak. When it starts spreading, at a certain point it overwhelms health workers.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Well not to ratchet the fear down but more people die everyday from diarrhea than have ever died from Ebola.

Proportionally? No.

Need more words have no idea what you are trying to say. Thousands of young children will die in the 3rd world today due to the effects of diarrhea.

How many cases of diarrhea worldwide? How many deaths? Case fatality rate of Ebola is what 70-80%? Not comparable at all IMO. Sure more people die from diarrhea but not at the same rate as people who contract Ebola.

Sure the media is hyping this up but IMO it's irresponsible to bring these two infected workers back to the US. Mistakes happen all the time, it's part of being human, and I don't think it's worth the risk to be honest.

The data has been posted, literally millions. It is the second largest killer of children under 5. And as for bringing these two here you guys are being ridiculous. We have plague here. Bubonic plague. Something that can actually go pandemic and has in the past. And people are dying from it, here. Why aren't you guys hiding in your basement? We have thousands of people here with largely fatal communicable diseases being treated in our hospitals. Why do you guys "risk" going out in public at all?

Really need to dial back the overwrought hysteria a bit.

And yet the cfr for diarrhea doesn't even come close to that of ebola. It can be treated. Ebola has an experimental treatment that has not yet proved to be effective.

Why bring up the plague? There is a treatment for the plague. The closer comparison is Anthrax, no treatment and a cfr of over 90%. Since there is no known treatment for ebola IMO it makes it irresponsible to bring the aid workers back here. I am not hysterical, nor overwrought, but you act as if this is the common cold. I am quite sure that the CDC has ebola in it's vaults as well, but an active infection in the wild being brought here is not a good move IMO.

Yeah you are coming off a bit over the top panicky. I understand we don't have a cure. I also understand how hard it is to pass if you follow standard infectious protocol and know what you are dealing with. Which the people in the US receiving these people will.

So were the two health care workers that they are bringing over negligent/ How did they catch it.......After all they are Americans they knew how to deal with this? Don't be so confident/cocky....

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Well not to ratchet the fear down but more people die everyday from diarrhea than have ever died from Ebola.

Proportionally? No.

Need more words have no idea what you are trying to say. Thousands of young children will die in the 3rd world today due to the effects of diarrhea.

How many cases of diarrhea worldwide? How many deaths? Case fatality rate of Ebola is what 70-80%? Not comparable at all IMO. Sure more people die from diarrhea but not at the same rate as people who contract Ebola.

Sure the media is hyping this up but IMO it's irresponsible to bring these two infected workers back to the US. Mistakes happen all the time, it's part of being human, and I don't think it's worth the risk to be honest.

The data has been posted, literally millions. It is the second largest killer of children under 5. And as for bringing these two here you guys are being ridiculous. We have plague here. Bubonic plague. Something that can actually go pandemic and has in the past. And people are dying from it, here. Why aren't you guys hiding in your basement? We have thousands of people here with largely fatal communicable diseases being treated in our hospitals. Why do you guys "risk" going out in public at all?

Really need to dial back the overwrought hysteria a bit.

And yet the cfr for diarrhea doesn't even come close to that of ebola. It can be treated. Ebola has an experimental treatment that has not yet proved to be effective.

Why bring up the plague? There is a treatment for the plague. The closer comparison is Anthrax, no treatment and a cfr of over 90%. Since there is no known treatment for ebola IMO it makes it irresponsible to bring the aid workers back here. I am not hysterical, nor overwrought, but you act as if this is the common cold. I am quite sure that the CDC has ebola in it's vaults as well, but an active infection in the wild being brought here is not a good move IMO.

Yeah you are coming off a bit over the top panicky. I understand we don't have a cure. I also understand how hard it is to pass if you follow standard infectious protocol and know what you are dealing with. Which the people in the US receiving these people will.

Nope, I don't understand why you don't think it's not a risk to bring them here. Not bringing them here = zero risk. So why introduce risk for no reason?

The reason to introduce the very minimal risk to others is to help two fellow Americans who are in very critical condition and need as much medical care as possible and also to allow family to be close should Writebol and Brantly succumb. The reward far outweighs any risk at this point.

Right good idea to have the family involved...When are visiting hours.

ETA: By the way if they do pass I'm sure we have funeral directors who can handle Ebola victims.

 

[dutch]

Well not to ratchet the fear down but more people die everyday from diarrhea than have ever died from Ebola.

Proportionally? No.

Need more words have no idea what you are trying to say. Thousands of young children will die in the 3rd world today due to the effects of diarrhea.

How many cases of diarrhea worldwide? How many deaths? Case fatality rate of Ebola is what 70-80%? Not comparable at all IMO. Sure more people die from diarrhea but not at the same rate as people who contract Ebola.

Sure the media is hyping this up but IMO it's irresponsible to bring these two infected workers back to the US. Mistakes happen all the time, it's part of being human, and I don't think it's worth the risk to be honest.

The data has been posted, literally millions. It is the second largest killer of children under 5. And as for bringing these two here you guys are being ridiculous. We have plague here. Bubonic plague. Something that can actually go pandemic and has in the past. And people are dying from it, here. Why aren't you guys hiding in your basement? We have thousands of people here with largely fatal communicable diseases being treated in our hospitals. Why do you guys "risk" going out in public at all?

Really need to dial back the overwrought hysteria a bit.

And yet the cfr for diarrhea doesn't even come close to that of ebola. It can be treated. Ebola has an experimental treatment that has not yet proved to be effective.

Why bring up the plague? There is a treatment for the plague. The closer comparison is Anthrax, no treatment and a cfr of over 90%. Since there is no known treatment for ebola IMO it makes it irresponsible to bring the aid workers back here. I am not hysterical, nor overwrought, but you act as if this is the common cold. I am quite sure that the CDC has ebola in it's vaults as well, but an active infection in the wild being brought here is not a good move IMO.

Yeah you are coming off a bit over the top panicky. I understand we don't have a cure. I also understand how hard it is to pass if you follow standard infectious protocol and know what you are dealing with. Which the people in the US receiving these people will.

Nope, I don't understand why you don't think it's not a risk to bring them here. Not bringing them here = zero risk. So why introduce risk for no reason?

The reason to introduce the very minimal risk to others is to help two fellow Americans who are in very critical condition and need as much medical care as possible and also to allow family to be close should Writebol and Brantly succumb. The reward far outweighs any risk at this point.

Right good idea to have the family involved...When are visiting hours.

ETA: By the way if they do pass I'm sure we have funeral directors who can handle Ebola victims.

The bodies will be cremated, as per protocol. And yes, families can visit, they just can't come in direct contact.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Yep dutch.. and absolutely nothing can go wrong....Nothing... 100% foolproof....no mistakes.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

I've never heard of a health care worker in America contracting that bodily fluid transmitted disease, what did they call it oh yeah... Aids.. You know they had all of those protocols in place and such..

 

[fourd]

Well not to ratchet the fear down but more people die everyday from diarrhea than have ever died from Ebola.

Proportionally? No.

Need more words have no idea what you are trying to say. Thousands of young children will die in the 3rd world today due to the effects of diarrhea.

How many cases of diarrhea worldwide? How many deaths? Case fatality rate of Ebola is what 70-80%? Not comparable at all IMO. Sure more people die from diarrhea but not at the same rate as people who contract Ebola.

Sure the media is hyping this up but IMO it's irresponsible to bring these two infected workers back to the US. Mistakes happen all the time, it's part of being human, and I don't think it's worth the risk to be honest.

The data has been posted, literally millions. It is the second largest killer of children under 5. And as for bringing these two here you guys are being ridiculous. We have plague here. Bubonic plague. Something that can actually go pandemic and has in the past. And people are dying from it, here. Why aren't you guys hiding in your basement? We have thousands of people here with largely fatal communicable diseases being treated in our hospitals. Why do you guys "risk" going out in public at all?

Really need to dial back the overwrought hysteria a bit.

And yet the cfr for diarrhea doesn't even come close to that of ebola. It can be treated. Ebola has an experimental treatment that has not yet proved to be effective.

Why bring up the plague? There is a treatment for the plague. The closer comparison is Anthrax, no treatment and a cfr of over 90%. Since there is no known treatment for ebola IMO it makes it irresponsible to bring the aid workers back here. I am not hysterical, nor overwrought, but you act as if this is the common cold. I am quite sure that the CDC has ebola in it's vaults as well, but an active infection in the wild being brought here is not a good move IMO.

Yeah you are coming off a bit over the top panicky. I understand we don't have a cure. I also understand how hard it is to pass if you follow standard infectious protocol and know what you are dealing with. Which the people in the US receiving these people will.

So were the two health care workers that they are bringing over negligent/ How did they catch it.......After all they are Americans they knew how to deal with this? Don't be so confident/cocky....

The protocols are certainly different in Africa. Didn't another doctor just die after becoming infected?

 

[Dan Gladden's Mustache]

Yep dutch.. and absolutely nothing can go wrong....Nothing... 100% foolproof....no mistakes.

Time to invest in a bunker, GB.

 

[Guest]

The most important thing to consider is that it's not aerosolized, meaning that particles floating around in the air do not contain viable contagions. You can still get it by breathing larger droplets if you're in close contact, and by touching a surface that has the virus on it (and it lasts on surfaces for weeks). But there's no indication that you can catch it by being two rows back on the same plane, for example, like a cold.

Still extremely scary and sad that many more are going to die horribly in a best case scenario.

Makes me curious how likely it is that an instance of this or a similar virus will become aerosolized? (Because the implications of that are obviously. Imagine a flu season where you and your family HAD to avoid it, or you die). Terrible prospect.

 

[Joe T]

If you had I choose between Tim and Ebola, which one would you choose?

tough call here.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Yep dutch.. and absolutely nothing can go wrong....Nothing... 100% foolproof....no mistakes.

Time to invest in a bunker, GB.

You are probably right......We as a country do some really head scratching stuff........Who knows what is next.

 

[Tom Servo]

I've read too many zombie novels to have any confidence in the CDC that they can contain anything more serious than a dust bunny.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

I've read too many zombie novels to have any confidence in the CDC that they can contain anything more serious than a dust bunny.

I have been following the WHO responses since day one and they have been painfully inadequate.http://www.who.int/csr/don/archive/year/2014/en/

 

[msommer]

I've read too many zombie novels to have any confidence in the CDC that they can contain anything more serious than a dust bunny.

I have been following the WHO responses and they have been painfully inadequate.http://www.who.int/csr/don/archive/year/2014/en/

Yeah, kind of ironic that Doctors without borders called it an epidemic about two months ago and WHO pooh-pooh them

 

[Rohn Jambo]

I've read too many zombie novels to have any confidence in the CDC that they can contain anything more serious than a dust bunny.

I have been following the WHO responses and they have been painfully inadequate.http://www.who.int/csr/don/archive/year/2014/en/

Yeah, kind of ironic that Doctors without borders called it an epidemic about two months ago and WHO pooh-pooh them

The previous outbreak ended only when the government banned people from traditional burial ritual of touching the bodies of the deceased. That is a big clue that the WHO should have asked countries to do the same this time.

 

[bueno]

If you had I choose between Tim and Ebola, which one would you choose?

As I said in another thread I'll take Tim over Ebola and Ayn Rand.

But what about Ebola without Ayn Rand?

Tim edges out Ebola on it's own. I admit it I like the guy. He can be frustrating at times but who here isn't?

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Well not to ratchet the fear down but more people die everyday from diarrhea than have ever died from Ebola.

Proportionally? No.

Need more words have no idea what you are trying to say. Thousands of young children will die in the 3rd world today due to the effects of diarrhea.

How many cases of diarrhea worldwide? How many deaths? Case fatality rate of Ebola is what 70-80%? Not comparable at all IMO. Sure more people die from diarrhea but not at the same rate as people who contract Ebola.Sure the media is hyping this up but IMO it's irresponsible to bring these two infected workers back to the US. Mistakes happen all the time, it's part of being human, and I don't think it's worth the risk to be honest.

These two knew the world will only pay attention when white folks are infected. They are heroes for putting themselves in harms way.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

Here's what really worries me. I don't think I've seen this even reported nationally, but locally in DFW, the news said the male doc was there with his entire family. Wife and at least one young child.

2 days before he was diagnosed, they flew back to Texas and are under a 21 day fever watch by the TX Dept of Health. The DOH released a statement saying they did not come into contact with anyone who had the disease.

Weird this isn't getting more press. Supposedly the family is not being quarantined, but are in hiding and the press hasn't been able to track them down.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Here's what really worries me. I don't think I've seen this even reported nationally, but locally in DFW, the news said the male doc was there with his entire family. Wife and at least one young child.

2 days before he was diagnosed, they flew back to Texas and are under a 21 day fever watch by the TX Dept of Health. The DOH released a statement saying they did not come into contact with anyone who had the disease.

Weird this isn't getting more press. Supposedly the family is not being quarantined, but are in hiding and the press hasn't been able to track them down.

Kent cared for a 14-year old who survived Ebola and received a pint of blood from the boy before he left for Atlanta. Hopefully the antibodies will help Kent pull through.

 

[dozer]

Here's what really worries me. I don't think I've seen this even reported nationally, but locally in DFW, the news said the male doc was there with his entire family. Wife and at least one young child.

2 days before he was diagnosed, they flew back to Texas and are under a 21 day fever watch by the TX Dept of Health. The DOH released a statement saying they did not come into contact with anyone who had the disease.

Weird this isn't getting more press. Supposedly the family is not being quarantined, but are in hiding and the press hasn't been able to track them down.

CNN was beating it to death earlier today. They followed the ambulance from the airport to the hospital via helicopter.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Here's what really worries me. I don't think I've seen this even reported nationally, but locally in DFW, the news said the male doc was there with his entire family. Wife and at least one young child.

2 days before he was diagnosed, they flew back to Texas and are under a 21 day fever watch by the TX Dept of Health. The DOH released a statement saying they did not come into contact with anyone who had the disease.

Weird this isn't getting more press. Supposedly the family is not being quarantined, but are in hiding and the press hasn't been able to track them down.

CNN was beating it to death earlier today. They followed the ambulance from the airport to the hospital via helicopter.

Brought to mind the Low speed O.J. chase.....It would have been bad news if the ambulance got in an accident and the ebola guy came rolling out the backdoor.

 

[Dan Gladden's Mustache]

Here's what really worries me. I don't think I've seen this even reported nationally, but locally in DFW, the news said the male doc was there with his entire family. Wife and at least one young child.

2 days before he was diagnosed, they flew back to Texas and are under a 21 day fever watch by the TX Dept of Health. The DOH released a statement saying they did not come into contact with anyone who had the disease.

Weird this isn't getting more press. Supposedly the family is not being quarantined, but are in hiding and the press hasn't been able to track them down.

CNN was beating it to death earlier today. They followed the ambulance from the airport to the hospital via helicopter.

Brought to mind the Low speed O.J. chase.....It would have been bad news if the ambulance got in an accident and the ebola guy came rolling out the backdoor.

I'll just assume that by "bad news" you mean HILARIOUS.

 

[Tom Servo]

Here's what really worries me. I don't think I've seen this even reported nationally, but locally in DFW, the news said the male doc was there with his entire family. Wife and at least one young child.

2 days before he was diagnosed, they flew back to Texas and are under a 21 day fever watch by the TX Dept of Health. The DOH released a statement saying they did not come into contact with anyone who had the disease.

Weird this isn't getting more press. Supposedly the family is not being quarantined, but are in hiding and the press hasn't been able to track them down.

Kent cared for a 14-year old who survived Ebola and received a pint of blood from the boy before he left for Atlanta. Hopefully the antibodies will help Kent pull through.

Wat? He purposely injected himself with ebola-contaminated blood.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Here's what really worries me. I don't think I've seen this even reported nationally, but locally in DFW, the news said the male doc was there with his entire family. Wife and at least one young child.

2 days before he was diagnosed, they flew back to Texas and are under a 21 day fever watch by the TX Dept of Health. The DOH released a statement saying they did not come into contact with anyone who had the disease.

Weird this isn't getting more press. Supposedly the family is not being quarantined, but are in hiding and the press hasn't been able to track them down.

Kent cared for a 14-year old who survived Ebola and received a pint of blood from the boy before he left for Atlanta. Hopefully the antibodies will help Kent pull through.

Wat? He purposely injected himself with ebola-contaminated blood.

Yes, Kent said it's more powerful than Captain America's Super Soldier Serum.

 

[Psychopav]

Wait...is his first name Clark?

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Here's what really worries me. I don't think I've seen this even reported nationally, but locally in DFW, the news said the male doc was there with his entire family. Wife and at least one young child.

2 days before he was diagnosed, they flew back to Texas and are under a 21 day fever watch by the TX Dept of Health. The DOH released a statement saying they did not come into contact with anyone who had the disease.

Weird this isn't getting more press. Supposedly the family is not being quarantined, but are in hiding and the press hasn't been able to track them down.

Kent cared for a 14-year old who survived Ebola and received a pint of blood from the boy before he left for Atlanta. Hopefully the antibodies will help Kent pull through.

Wat? He purposely injected himself with ebola-contaminated blood.

Yes he already had ebola....but was taking a chance that this boy who survived ,blood would act like a vaccine. My understanding.

 

[The Z Machine]

I heard he refused the serum so that the other American infected could receive it. Regardless, he's a good man for going over there and putting himself at risk. Let's hope he makes a full recovery.

 

[Guest]

I heard he refused the serum so that the other American infected could receive it. Regardless, he's a good man for going over there and putting himself at risk. Let's hope he makes a full recovery.

Amazing human.

 

[Guest]

Likely in London.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ebola-terror-gatwick-passenger-collapses-3977051