Ebola (3 Viewers)

[El Floppo]

Sexual contact may throw a bit of a wrench in that.

That's body fluid in contact with mucous membranes. Not an exception.

You know what's interesting, though? While ebola viruses have been found in semen months after patients have gotten over ebola, I've not yet seen evidence that ebola has ever been spread sexually once a formerly-infected person has been otherwised been cleared of the illness. Another research project for me.

That was part of my point is can it be spread that way prior to showing symptoms.

have you considered the vomit or spraying of blood in the mouth angle too?

 

[Doug B]

That was part of my point is can it be spread that way prior to showing symptoms.

I was looking at through the other end of the telescope (i.e. the communicability AFTER symptoms have subsided). BTW, cursory Googling turned up both a link at the WHO website and a 2007 article in the Journal of Infectious Diseases that yes, the ebola vius can be spread sexually via semen by post-symptomatic men.

Pre-symptomatically, this won't happen because the ebola virus does not begin to be shed into the body's fluids until symptoms start. Again, it appears to me that there's no such thing as a "silent carrier" of Ebola. I can't find evidence of such a thing, anyway.

 

[cstu]

Sexual contact may throw a bit of a wrench in that.

That's body fluid in contact with mucous membranes. Not an exception.

You know what's interesting, though? While ebola viruses have been found in semen months after patients have gotten over ebola, I've not yet seen evidence that ebola has ever been spread sexually once a formerly-infected person has been otherwised been cleared of the illness. Another research project for me.

Which is strange because I imagine ladies are lining up to have sex with ebola survivors.

 

[Doug B]

Which is strange because I imagine ladies are lining up to have sex with ebola survivors.

Jon was thinking about it the other way around -- infected ebola patients spreading the virus before their own symptoms actually start. But it's known that an infected person is not contagious during incubation (AFAIK, this is true of all viruses).

EDIT: struck out some text above -- some viruses can in fact be spread during incubation.

 

[Fennis]

Which is strange because I imagine ladies are lining up to have sex with ebola survivors.

Jon was thinking about it the other way around -- infected ebola patients spreading the virus before their own symptoms actually start. But it's known that an infected person is not contagious during incubation (AFAIK, this is true of all viruses).

I don't know how often it is true, but its not the case for HIV.

 

[jon_mx]

Sexual contact may throw a bit of a wrench in that.

That's body fluid in contact with mucous membranes. Not an exception.

You know what's interesting, though? While ebola viruses have been found in semen months after patients have gotten over ebola, I've not yet seen evidence that ebola has ever been spread sexually once a formerly-infected person has been otherwised been cleared of the illness. Another research project for me.

Which is strange because I imagine ladies are lining up to have sex with ebola survivors.

I am more concerned with when it will be ok to nail one of the nurses.

 

[msommer]

update. Mukpo is now Ebola free.

Ebola patients treated in US: 8

Patients Infected in Africa: 6

Patients infected in US: 2

Non health care workers infected in US: 0

Patients released: 5

Patients under treatment: 2

Deceased: 1

Current mortality rate of Americans treated in US: 0%.

Current mortality rate of all treated in US: 12.5%

Cured: Ashoka Mukpo (cameraman), Unidentified Aid Worker (AKA CIA), Dr. Kent Brantley , Dr. Rick Sacra, Nancy Writebol

Under treatment: Nina Pham (nurse of Duncan); Amber Vinson (nurse of Duncan, CDC gave info was OK to fly with low grade fever)

Deceased: Thomas Duncan

Meanwhile, in West Africa, by December it is expected there will be 10,000 new cases each week. And most of them will likely die.

Where are you getting this information? I can't find such a prediction anywhere.

That is what the WHO projected a few weeks ago. Did you really search outside of msnbc? That report is everywhere.http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/10000-ebola-cases-week-26179330

Especially for you jon, I'm going to post this article from bbc again.http://www.bbc.com/news/health-29628481

Ebola outbreak: How many people have died?

How many people have died from Ebola in West Africa?

It sounds an easy question, but the answer is certainly not.

The most recent official figure from the World Health Organization puts the number of deaths at 4,493.

But 12,000 could be a better estimate. Getting to this figure highlights a number of issues with the Ebola data.

How many cases?

First of all there is a fair bit of uncertainty about how many people have Ebola.

The ones we know about stand at 8,997 - this is made up of confirmed, suspected and probable cases.

However, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea have some of the worst-funded healthcare systems in the world.

We know people are contracting the disease, and dying from it, without being noticed.

Based on small trials, agencies including the WHO and the US Centers for Disease Control are taking an "educated guess" that the figure is around twice that.

The widely reported estimate of 10,000 cases per week by December uses this doubling to account for under-reporting.

"We get that because 5,000 is the midpoint of our modelling scenarios and if we allow for under-reporting [by a factor of two] then that's 10,000," said Dr Christopher Dye, the director of strategy in the office of the director general at the WHO.

Use the same principle and the number of cases now could be around 18,000.

What is the death rate?

Looking at the official figures again - 8,997 cases and 4,493 deaths - you might think that roughly half of patients die.

"This is wrong," Dr Dye told me.

The data is, quite frankly, a bit of a mess.

Take the WHO Ebola response roadmap update on 10 October. It has more confirmed deaths in Liberia from Ebola (1,072) than actual cases (943).

This confusing set of figures comes about by collecting data on cases and deaths separately.

Also, comparing current cases and current deaths does not take account of people living with the disease for some time before either dying or recovering.

What you need is quality data and the best comes from a report in the New England Journal of Medicine.

A team, including scientists at Imperial College London, looked at a sub-set of patients with full medical records from diagnosis through to either recovery or death.

Dr Dye told the BBC: "On the basis of this analysis, our best estimate is a 60-70% case fatality and it's sensible to use a range as there are variations from one place to another."

Use the 70% figure on the 18,000 estimated cases and it seems around 12,000 are either dead or dying.

Clearly that is not a definitive figure, but getting there shows how messy some of the data are.

And this is the same basic data being used to reach forecasts of 1.4 million cases by January or 10,000 new cases a week by December.

Take a moment to read the last three lines.10,000 a week is a guess, based on a projection of a guess

It is a projection based on the fact that the known cases of Ebola have been doubling every three weeks for the past 6 months. It is quite possible that guess will be low. It is a very realistic estimation of the problem.

Projection <> Fact

 

[jon_mx]

Of course projections are not fact, but it is based on the best info available. I am not sure why you are being so critical of them. I think they cod be on the low end.

 

[joffer]

Of course projections are not fact, but it is based on the best info available. I am not sure why you are being so critical of them. I think they cod be on the low end.

quoted for the next time climate models come up

 

[jon_mx]

Of course projections are not fact, but it is based on the best info available. I am not sure why you are being so critical of them. I think they cod be on the low end.

quoted for the next time climate models come up

Those models still are the suck.

 

[Doug B]

Jon was thinking about it the other way around -- infected ebola patients spreading the virus before their own symptoms actually start. But it's known that an infected person is not contagious during incubation (AFAIK, this is true of all viruses).

I don't know how often it is true, but its not the case for HIV.

Thank you for the correction.

 

[Chemical X]

i use a new alias when i go to restaurants or need to give my name. this way i get to use my first initial.

Eric Bola

 

[jon_mx]

By mid October, there were about 10,000 known cases of Ebola. It has been doubling every three weeks. So by early November there will be 20,000 cases. End of November, 40 000 cases. Mid December, 80,000 cases. Early/Mid Jamuary 160,000 cases. WHO estimates the known cases only represents less than half of the actual numbers, so you can double all those numbers I just gave. But it is ok, no Americans are dying. But liberals find it funny since it is just a bunch of Africans.

 

[Guest]

By mid October, there were about 10,000 known cases of Ebola. It has been doubling every three weeks. So by early November there will be 20,000 cases. End of November, 40 000 cases. Mid December, 80,000 cases. Early/Mid Jamuary 160,000 cases. WHO estimates the known cases only represents less than half of the actual numbers, so you can double all those numbers I just gave. But it is ok, no Americans are dying. But liberals find it funny since it is just a bunch of Africans.

Wha?

 

[matuski]

By mid October, there were about 10,000 known cases of Ebola. It has been doubling every three weeks. So by early November there will be 20,000 cases. End of November, 40 000 cases. Mid December, 80,000 cases. Early/Mid Jamuary 160,000 cases. WHO estimates the known cases only represents less than half of the actual numbers, so you can double all those numbers I just gave. But it is ok, no Americans are dying. But liberals find it funny since it is just a bunch of Africans.

This doesn't come close to being as bad as ITS IN THEIR RIVERS. You are slacking.

 

[Mister Martie]

jon off the rails in here. Take a deep breath, guy.

 

[jon_mx]

By mid October, there were about 10,000 known cases of Ebola. It has been doubling every three weeks. So by early November there will be 20,000 cases. End of November, 40 000 cases. Mid December, 80,000 cases. Early/Mid Jamuary 160,000 cases. WHO estimates the known cases only represents less than half of the actual numbers, so you can double all those numbers I just gave. But it is ok, no Americans are dying. But liberals find it funny since it is just a bunch of Africans.

This doesn't come close to being as bad as ITS IN THEIR RIVERS. You are slacking.

So funny. Dying black people. You are an absolute ###.

 

[matuski]

By mid October, there were about 10,000 known cases of Ebola. It has been doubling every three weeks. So by early November there will be 20,000 cases. End of November, 40 000 cases. Mid December, 80,000 cases. Early/Mid Jamuary 160,000 cases. WHO estimates the known cases only represents less than half of the actual numbers, so you can double all those numbers I just gave. But it is ok, no Americans are dying. But liberals find it funny since it is just a bunch of Africans.

This doesn't come close to being as bad as ITS IN THEIR RIVERS. You are slacking.

So funny. Dying black people. You are an absolute ###.

It is hard to have empathy for people pouring Ebola into their rivers. They probably poured some HIV in as well.

 

[jon_mx]

jon off the rails in here. Take a deep breath, guy.

I am fine. I just wish people would stop their partisan political views turn them into asses.

 

[matuski]

jon off the rails in here. Take a deep breath, guy.

I am fine. I just wish people would stop their partisan political views turn them into asses.

Partisanship - ITS IN OUR RIVERS.

 

[jon_mx]

By mid October, there were about 10,000 known cases of Ebola. It has been doubling every three weeks. So by early November there will be 20,000 cases. End of November, 40 000 cases. Mid December, 80,000 cases. Early/Mid Jamuary 160,000 cases. WHO estimates the known cases only represents less than half of the actual numbers, so you can double all those numbers I just gave. But it is ok, no Americans are dying. But liberals find it funny since it is just a bunch of Africans.

This doesn't come close to being as bad as ITS IN THEIR RIVERS. You are slacking.

So funny. Dying black people. You are an absolute ###.

It is hard to have empathy for people pouring Ebola into their rivers. They probably poured some HIV in as well.

That is not what I said. There have been hundreds of dead bodies dumped into the rivers in Liberia which will still contain live Ebola virus in their body fluids. It creates the possibility of dangerous exposure. The point being the lack of proper care is resulting in a lot of potential exposure in ways which people are unaware of.

 

[Harry Manback]

By mid October, there were about 10,000 known cases of Ebola. It has been doubling every three weeks. So by early November there will be 20,000 cases. End of November, 40 000 cases. Mid December, 80,000 cases. Early/Mid Jamuary 160,000 cases. WHO estimates the known cases only represents less than half of the actual numbers, so you can double all those numbers I just gave. But it is ok, no Americans are dying. But liberals find it funny since it is just a bunch of Africans.

This doesn't come close to being as bad as ITS IN THEIR RIVERS. You are slacking.

So funny. Dying black people. You are an absolute ###.

Psst...he's not laughing at dying black people. He's laughing at you.

 

[jon_mx]

By mid October, there were about 10,000 known cases of Ebola. It has been doubling every three weeks. So by early November there will be 20,000 cases. End of November, 40 000 cases. Mid December, 80,000 cases. Early/Mid Jamuary 160,000 cases. WHO estimates the known cases only represents less than half of the actual numbers, so you can double all those numbers I just gave. But it is ok, no Americans are dying. But liberals find it funny since it is just a bunch of Africans.

This doesn't come close to being as bad as ITS IN THEIR RIVERS. You are slacking.

So funny. Dying black people. You are an absolute ###.

Psst...he's not laughing at dying black people. He's laughing at you.

The only thing that is funny is he act like a know-it-all #######, but yet he was wrong and will never admit it. He should man up and admit that the numbers of people infected has been growing exponentially. How can someone mock someone else while being so ignorant?

 

[Sinn Fein]

By mid October, there were about 10,000 known cases of Ebola. It has been doubling every three weeks. So by early November there will be 20,000 cases. End of November, 40 000 cases. Mid December, 80,000 cases. Early/Mid Jamuary 160,000 cases. WHO estimates the known cases only represents less than half of the actual numbers, so you can double all those numbers I just gave. But it is ok, no Americans are dying. But liberals find it funny since it is just a bunch of Africans.

Ebola Commercial?

 

[jon_mx]

Psst...he's not laughing at dying black people. He's laughing at you.

The only thing that is funny is he act like a know-it-all #######, but yet he was wrong and will never admit it. He should man up and admit that the numbers of people infected has been growing exponentially. How can someone mock someone else while being so ignorant?

Oh, the irony.

Seriously, you think I was wrong about the growth being exponential?

 

[jon_mx]

Psst...he's not laughing at dying black people. He's laughing at you.

The only thing that is funny is he act like a know-it-all #######, but yet he was wrong and will never admit it. He should man up and admit that the numbers of people infected has been growing exponentially. How can someone mock someone else while being so ignorant?

Oh, the irony.

Seriously, you think I was wrong about the growth being exponential?

No, I wasn't referring to that. Your ignorance on a subject has never stopped from you from attempting lame jokes that you think are hilarious, while mocking people.

I rarely mock others, outside of giving Tim a hard time for his inconsistent logic. And I would never mock someone like TxBuckeye was mocked on this thread when going through a stressful situation.

 

[Mister Martie]

jon off the rails in here. Take a deep breath, guy.

I am fine. I just wish people would stop their partisan political views turn them into asses.

This may be the most pot/kettle post in FFA history. Congrats.

 

[msommer]

Of course projections are not fact, but it is based on the best info available. I am not sure why you are being so critical of them. I think they cod be on the low end.

Did you read the link?

The numbers 10,000 a week and 1.4m by December are guesses, nothing more. They are even guesses on the basis of multiplying everything we don't actually know with ten.

Try not to let these numbers influence you too much. They are meant to be big, scary numbers, but remain unsubstantiated.

 

[msommer]

By mid October, there were about 10,000 known cases of Ebola. It has been doubling every three weeks. So by early November there will be 20,000 cases. End of November, 40 000 cases. Mid December, 80,000 cases. Early/Mid Jamuary 160,000 cases. WHO estimates the known cases only represents less than half of the actual numbers, so you can double all those numbers I just gave. But it is ok, no Americans are dying. But liberals find it funny since it is just a bunch of Africans.

WHO estimates include 'suspected' cases included in the 'known' cases. Don't think repeating something makes it true

 

[Guest]

By mid October, there were about 10,000 known cases of Ebola. It has been doubling every three weeks. So by early November there will be 20,000 cases. End of November, 40 000 cases. Mid December, 80,000 cases. Early/Mid Jamuary 160,000 cases. WHO estimates the known cases only represents less than half of the actual numbers, so you can double all those numbers I just gave. But it is ok, no Americans are dying. But liberals find it funny since it is just a bunch of Africans.

This doesn't come close to being as bad as ITS IN THEIR RIVERS. You are slacking.

So funny. Dying black people. You are an absolute ###.

It is hard to have empathy for people pouring Ebola into their rivers. They probably poured some HIV in as well.

Actually, if you have the capacity for empathy, it's pretty easy to have it for those affected.

 

[jon_mx]

By mid October, there were about 10,000 known cases of Ebola. It has been doubling every three weeks. So by early November there will be 20,000 cases. End of November, 40 000 cases. Mid December, 80,000 cases. Early/Mid Jamuary 160,000 cases. WHO estimates the known cases only represents less than half of the actual numbers, so you can double all those numbers I just gave. But it is ok, no Americans are dying. But liberals find it funny since it is just a bunch of Africans.

WHO estimates include 'suspected' cases included in the 'known' cases. Don't think repeating something makes it true

That is not really incorrect. WHO believes more than 15,000 have already died but only about 5,000 have been reported. WHO suspect the actual number of cases from the reported number from last month of over 9,000 cases is two to three times higher than that.

 

[jon_mx]

Of course projections are not fact, but it is based on the best info available. I am not sure why you are being so critical of them. I think they cod be on the low end.

Did you read the link?The numbers 10,000 a week and 1.4m by December are guesses, nothing more. They are even guesses on the basis of multiplying everything we don't actually know with ten.

Try not to let these numbers influence you too much. They are meant to be big, scary numbers, but remain unsubstantiated.

I am not sure what you are reading. Here is the latest:

Official WHO Ebola toll near 5,000 with true number nearer 15,000

Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:32pm BST

By Tom Miles

GENEVA (Reuters) - At least 4,877 people have died in the world's worst recorded outbreak of Ebola, and at least 9,936 cases of the disease had been recorded as of Oct. 19, the World Health Organization (WHO) said on Wednesday, but the true toll may be three times as much.

The WHO has said real numbers of cases are believed to be much higher than reported: by a factor of 1.5 in Guinea, 2 in Sierra Leone and 2.5 in Liberia, while the death rate is thought to be about 70 percent of all cases. That would suggest a toll of almost 15,000.

Liberia has been worst hit, with 4,665 recorded cases and 2,705 deaths, followed by Sierra Leone with 3,706 cases and 1,259 deaths. Guinea, where the outbreak originated, has had 1,540 cases and 904 deaths.

 

[proteus126]

Here is the log plot from Wiki.

I find nothing comforting in the top line plot. These are just the diagnosed cases, so feel free to multiply the values on the Y axis by 2.5 or so (WHO). Who really knows the correct multiplier? 2-3 is reasonable. Meaning 20,000 to 30,000 total cases, meaning 14,000 to 21,000 fatalities by Halloween assuming a 70% fatality rate.

Also note the text in the grey banner. Not good when the health system begins to give up counting, or is no longer able to. WHO rightly points that out in dismissing the recent Liberia new case slowdown.

By my math, # of cases is increasing by an order of magnitude every 3 months or so.

What we have yet to encounter:

(a) likely slowing in areas as they "burn out"

(b) the chaos and lack of information in specific areas once the collapse of municipalities occurs

© the impact of increased global assistance kicking in

Hard to make predictions. Doesn't look good. My heart goes out to those folks.

-Proty

Ebola came to west Africa to do two things, kick ### and drink beer. Looks like they are almost out of beer.

 

[cstu]

By mid October, there were about 10,000 known cases of Ebola. It has been doubling every three weeks. So by early November there will be 20,000 cases. End of November, 40 000 cases. Mid December, 80,000 cases. Early/Mid Jamuary 160,000 cases. WHO estimates the known cases only represents less than half of the actual numbers, so you can double all those numbers I just gave. But it is ok, no Americans are dying. But liberals find it funny since it is just a bunch of Africans.

Over a half a million Africans die from malaria every year but now you care about Africans...

 

[jon_mx]

By mid October, there were about 10,000 known cases of Ebola. It has been doubling every three weeks. So by early November there will be 20,000 cases. End of November, 40 000 cases. Mid December, 80,000 cases. Early/Mid Jamuary 160,000 cases. WHO estimates the known cases only represents less than half of the actual numbers, so you can double all those numbers I just gave. But it is ok, no Americans are dying. But liberals find it funny since it is just a bunch of Africans.

Over a half a million Africans die from malaria every year but now you care about Africans...

I have given thousands for mosquito nets and clean wells for water.

 

[msommer]

Here is the log plot from Wiki.

I find nothing comforting in the top line plot. These are just the diagnosed cases, so feel free to multiply the values on the Y axis by 2.5 or so (WHO). Who really knows the correct multiplier? 2-3 is reasonable. Meaning 20,000 to 30,000 total cases, meaning 14,000 to 21,000 fatalities by Halloween assuming a 70% fatality rate.

Also note the text in the grey banner. Not good when the health system begins to give up counting, or is no longer able to. WHO rightly points that out in dismissing the recent Liberia new case slowdown.

By my math, # of cases is increasing by an order of magnitude every 3 months or so.

What we have yet to encounter:

(a) likely slowing in areas as they "burn out"

(b) the chaos and lack of information in specific areas once the collapse of municipalities occurs

© the impact of increased global assistance kicking in

Hard to make predictions. Doesn't look good. My heart goes out to those folks.

-Proty

Ebola came to west Africa to do two things, kick ### and drink beer. Looks like they are almost out of beer.

 

[ghostguy123]

By mid October, there were about 10,000 known cases of Ebola. It has been doubling every three weeks. So by early November there will be 20,000 cases. End of November, 40 000 cases. Mid December, 80,000 cases. Early/Mid Jamuary 160,000 cases. WHO estimates the known cases only represents less than half of the actual numbers, so you can double all those numbers I just gave. But it is ok, no Americans are dying. But liberals find it funny since it is just a bunch of Africans.

Over a half a million Africans die from malaria every year but now you care about Africans...

I have given thousands for mosquito nets and clean wells for water.

It's not working, send more

 

[Tom Servo]

By mid October, there were about 10,000 known cases of Ebola. It has been doubling every three weeks. So by early November there will be 20,000 cases. End of November, 40 000 cases. Mid December, 80,000 cases. Early/Mid Jamuary 160,000 cases. WHO estimates the known cases only represents less than half of the actual numbers, so you can double all those numbers I just gave. But it is ok, no Americans are dying. But liberals find it funny since it is just a bunch of Africans.

WHO estimates include 'suspected' cases included in the 'known' cases. Don't think repeating something makes it true

It works for Democrats.

 

[matuski]

By mid October, there were about 10,000 known cases of Ebola. It has been doubling every three weeks. So by early November there will be 20,000 cases. End of November, 40 000 cases. Mid December, 80,000 cases. Early/Mid Jamuary 160,000 cases. WHO estimates the known cases only represents less than half of the actual numbers, so you can double all those numbers I just gave. But it is ok, no Americans are dying. But liberals find it funny since it is just a bunch of Africans.

This doesn't come close to being as bad as ITS IN THEIR RIVERS. You are slacking.

So funny. Dying black people. You are an absolute ###.

It is hard to have empathy for people pouring Ebola into their rivers. They probably poured some HIV in as well.

Actually, if you have the capacity for empathy, it's pretty easy to have it for those affected.

I feel horrible for all zero people in this world affected by Ebola in their rivers.

 

[matuski]

Meanwhile we are apparently back to zero cases of Ebola in the US.

 

[fatness]

By mid October, there were about 10,000 known cases of Ebola. It has been doubling every three weeks. So by early November there will be 20,000 cases. End of November, 40 000 cases. Mid December, 80,000 cases. Early/Mid Jamuary 160,000 cases. WHO estimates the known cases only represents less than half of the actual numbers, so you can double all those numbers I just gave. But it is ok, no Americans are dying. But liberals find it funny since it is just a bunch of Africans.

Over a half a million Africans die from malaria every year but now you care about Africans...

 

[fatness]

Someone send me a PM when we reach the point in the thread where Timmy shoehorns in his thoughts on immigration and / or blames the Tea Party for the ebola.

Didn't we cover the Tea party and the sequester a few pages ago?

It needs to be stressed. Both the CDC and the NIH received cuts in spending that don't help in situations like this. This Ebola situation is a clear example, IMO, of the Tea Party philosophy of the role and size of government being on trial- and found wanting. We need a stronger CDC, not a weaker one.

Do all your solutions require a larger government? BTW, it was your dear leader who also pushed for cuts in the CDC. Recently, Obama's budget actually had bigger cuts than what CDC ended up with. So stop with the Tea Party non-sense. It is so old.

This is when jon started posting a lot in this topic --- to stamp out the epidemic of tea party and budget cut criticism.

 

[3C's]

Interesting. "This is another example of how this 21st century viral threat has pulled us back into the 19th century,"

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/22/us-health-ebola-usa-interventions-idUSKCN0IB2OM20141022

 

[matuski]

By mid October, there were about 10,000 known cases of Ebola. It has been doubling every three weeks. So by early November there will be 20,000 cases. End of November, 40 000 cases. Mid December, 80,000 cases. Early/Mid Jamuary 160,000 cases. WHO estimates the known cases only represents less than half of the actual numbers, so you can double all those numbers I just gave. But it is ok, no Americans are dying. But liberals find it funny since it is just a bunch of Africans.

Over a half a million Africans die from malaria every year but now you care about Africans...

I have given thousands for mosquito nets and clean wells for water.

Now we know your motive for slandering the poor rivers.

 

[The Z Machine]

Interesting. "This is another example of how this 21st century viral threat has pulled us back into the 19th century,"

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/22/us-health-ebola-usa-interventions-idUSKCN0IB2OM20141022

Very interesting, and definitely relates to a discussion between my me, my wife (the public health professional), and my Mother in law (the registered nurse) about what obligations medical staff have to their patients and when they can refuse care because they feel their own safety is in jeopardy.

 

[timschochet]

By mid October, there were about 10,000 known cases of Ebola. It has been doubling every three weeks. So by early November there will be 20,000 cases. End of November, 40 000 cases. Mid December, 80,000 cases. Early/Mid Jamuary 160,000 cases. WHO estimates the known cases only represents less than half of the actual numbers, so you can double all those numbers I just gave. But it is ok, no Americans are dying. But liberals find it funny since it is just a bunch of Africans.

Over a half a million Africans die from malaria every year but now you care about Africans...

I have given thousands for mosquito nets and clean wells for water.

is this true Jon? I hope you wouldn't joke about something like this. If it's true, good on you.

 

[Doug B]

Meanwhile we are apparently back to zero cases of Ebola in the US.

I knew Pham's status was upgraded from "fair" to "good" ... but is Vinson also out of the woods?

If so, that's great news. It might mean that while Ebola can't yet exactly be cured, it can be treated effectively enough that it can't really be considered a "deadly" illness any longer. Only "deadly without proper health care" or "deadly in people who are already physically compromised".

Duncan likely would have lived had he undergone Emory-style Ebola treatment the day he first went to the Texas Health Presbyterian ER.

 

[Bucky86]

It's decreasing exponentially!!!

 

[jon_mx]

Meanwhile we are apparently back to zero cases of Ebola in the US.

I knew Pham's status was upgraded from "fair" to "good" ... but is Vinson also out of the woods?

If so, that's great news. It might mean that while Ebola can't yet exactly be cured, it can be treated effectively enough that it can't really be considered a "deadly" illness any longer. Only "deadly without proper health care" or "deadly in people who are already physically compromised".

Duncan likely would have lived had he undergone Emory-style Ebola treatment the day he first went to the Texas Health Presbyterian ER.

This is like concluding free throws are no longer makeable after a few are missed in a row.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Meanwhile we are apparently back to zero cases of Ebola in the US.

I knew Pham's status was upgraded from "fair" to "good" ... but is Vinson also out of the woods?

If so, that's great news. It might mean that while Ebola can't yet exactly be cured, it can be treated effectively enough that it can't really be considered a "deadly" illness any longer. Only "deadly without proper health care" or "deadly in people who are already physically compromised".

Duncan likely would have lived had he undergone Emory-style Ebola treatment the day he first went to the Texas Health Presbyterian ER.

This is like concluding free throws are no longer makeable after a few are missed in a row.

Is Shaq shooting them?