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Rohn Jambo said:
Is this CDC poster misleading? http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/infographic.pdf

Officials in Guinea suspected the index case (patient zero) got infected with Ebola after having bat soup.
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Yes...I also don't think people realize the close proximity people in NYC are to each other. The subways people are jammed in like sardines and you have to touch everything (a handle to balance, a machine to buy a metro card, etc.). Taxis, restaurants, etc. etc..

From everything I've read, this #### can live on the surface for an extended period of time? If this is the case, Ebola patient sneezes on a subway, saliva lands on a handle, someone else touches that handle then rubs their eyes... Can't that cause transmission? Seems like it would spread quickly if this was the case.

 
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US bots flagged Ebola before outbreak announced

Associated Press By RODRIQUE NGOWI

BOSTON (AP) — The Ebola outbreak in West Africa is focusing a spotlight on an online tool run by experts in Boston that flagged a "mystery hemorrhagic fever" in forested areas of southeastern Guinea nine days before the World Health Organization formally announced the epidemic.

"It shows some of these informal sources are helping paint a picture of what's happening that's useful to these public health agencies," HealthMap co-founder John Brownstein said

HealthMap is operated by a group of 45 researchers, epidemiologists and software developers at Boston Children's Hospital.

The tool was introduced in 2006 with a core audience of public health specialists, but that changed as the system evolved and the public became increasingly hungry for information during the swine flu pandemic.

HealthMap generates information that includes locations of specific outbreaks and tracks new cases and deaths. The system is also capable of logging public sentiment.

The Ebola outbreak, the largest and longest ever recorded for the disease, has so far killed more than 950 people. It emerged in Guinea in March and has since spread to Sierra Leone, Liberia and Nigeria.
 
fantasycurse42 said:
Rohn Jambo said:
Is this CDC poster misleading? http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/infographic.pdf

Officials in Guinea suspected the index case (patient zero) got infected with Ebola after having bat soup.
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Yes...I also don't think people realize the close proximity people in NYC are to each other. The subways people are jammed in like sardines and you have to touch everything (a handle to balance, a machine to buy a metro card, etc.). Taxis, restaurants, etc. etc..

From everything I've read, this #### can live on the surface for an extended period of time? If this is the case, Ebola patient sneezes on a subway, saliva lands on a handle, someone else touches that handle then rubs their eyes... Can't that cause transmission? Seems like it would spread quickly if this was the case.
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According to the CDC, being within 3 feet of a PUI for extended period of time is considered "Low Risk Exposure".http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/case-definition.html

Here is the NYT story on how the outbreak started in Guinea.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/10/world/africa/tracing-ebolas-breakout-to-an-african-2-year-old.html?_r=0

 
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New Ground Zero patient found

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/11/health/ebola-patient-zero/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

The worst outbreak of Ebola, which has killed 961 people and triggered an international public health emergency, may have started with a 2-year-old patient in a village in Guinea.

"In Africa, infection has been documented through the handling of infected chimpanzees, gorillas, fruit bats, monkeys, forest antelope and porcupines," WHO says, though researchers think fruit bats are what they call the virus's "natural host."

Researchers who published the paper this year found a chain of illnesses in the toddler's family.

After the child's death, the mother suffered bleeding symptoms and died on December 13, according to the report. Then, the toddler's 3-year-old sister died on December 29, with symptoms including fever, vomiting and black diarrhea. The illness subsequently affected the toddler's grandmother, who died on January 1, in the family's village of Meliandou in Guéckédou.

The area in southern Guinea is close to the Sierra Leone and Liberia borders.

The illness spread outside their village after several people attended the grandmother's funeral.

Funerals tend to bring people in close contact with the body. Ebola spreads from person to person through contact with organs and bodily fluids such as blood, saliva, urine and other secretions of infected people. It has no known cure.

(If you can only get it from bodily fluids, what are these people doing at these funerals?.......Sounds to me it is much more contagious than they let on.)

 
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Ditka Butkus said:
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(If you can only get it from bodily fluids, what are these people doing at these funerals?.......Sounds to me it is much more contagious than they let on.)
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understand a couple of points:

1. many African cultures have traditions that include washing of the body before burial. It's not hard to imagine people kissing a loved one good bye at a funeral - I think handling a dead body may not be weird in their culture.

2. These cultures are still relatively primitive - the man on the street doesn't know anything about viruses or bacteria. What he knows is that evil spirits are causing problems for his family - perhaps someone has conjured up a hex on his people to take revenge for something his grandfather did.

3. there is massive distrust of governments and associated hospitals. In countries that have seen so much corruption and war, I think it's natural to not trust the government. If the gov't says to not handle sick people and bring them to the hospital instead, people are more likely to say, "screw the gov't, they don't know anything anyhow. I'm going to take care of my sick aunt myself."

4. Because of the low level of care, hospitals are places people go to as a last resort, and they end up die there, so hospitals have a reputation as a place where people go to die. You would never take someone who is just ill to the hospital. Before they are on their death bead when they are just sick, people have been cared for at home, and this is how the disease spreads.

I don't think it's more contagious than people let on, it's just that there are many cultural norms and realities in Africa that make it really really hard to contain.

 
lod01 said:
Rohn Jambo said:
Mr. Ham said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/08/opinion/what-makes-lagos-a-model-city.html?_r=0

Was sort of fascinated by Lagos, Nigeria and how a city of 21 million lives. Turns out (despite trumpeting of the infrastructure improvements) the vast majority live in slums and squalor. The 170 million in Nigeria live is squalor - only behind India.

So before we get bent about the 1st world patients that may or may not show symptoms, let's watch what happens there - where there are actual confirmed cases. If something is going to go viral, it's going yo happen there like Justin Bieber riding a keyboard cat screaming, "You bit me, Charlie" on dental meds.

Joking aside, at this point I'm more concerned for the parts of the world that don't stand a chance and have no guardian angels, over the suburbs.
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Yes, one of the biggest challenges in Nigeria is getting information out to everyone. Television? Half the people have no electricity. And 40% of the adults are illiterate.
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What have those people been doing for the last 250+ years?
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Starving to death.

 
moleculo said:
Ditka Butkus said:
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(If you can only get it from bodily fluids, what are these people doing at these funerals?.......Sounds to me it is much more contagious than they let on.)
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understand a couple of points:

1. many African cultures have traditions that include washing of the body before burial. It's not hard to imagine people kissing a loved one good bye at a funeral - I think handling a dead body may not be weird in their culture.

2. These cultures are still relatively primitive - the man on the street doesn't know anything about viruses or bacteria. What he knows is that evil spirits are causing problems for his family - perhaps someone has conjured up a hex on his people to take revenge for something his grandfather did.

3. there is massive distrust of governments and associated hospitals. In countries that have seen so much corruption and war, I think it's natural to not trust the government. If the gov't says to not handle sick people and bring them to the hospital instead, people are more likely to say, "screw the gov't, they don't know anything anyhow. I'm going to take care of my sick aunt myself."

4. Because of the low level of care, hospitals are places people go to as a last resort, and they end up die there, so hospitals have a reputation as a place where people go to die. You would never take someone who is just ill to the hospital. Before they are on their death bead when they are just sick, people have been cared for at home, and this is how the disease spreads.

I don't think it's more contagious than people let on, it's just that there are many cultural norms and realities in Africa that make it really really hard to contain.
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Isn't this suppose to be the birthplace of mankind?....How in the hell can their civilization be around the longest and be one of the least advanced?

 
El Floppo said:
Rohn Jambo said:
Coworker who sat next to Patrick Sawyer on the plane came down with Ebolahttp://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/13/ebola-nigerian-capital
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I read your post to mean that the co-worker contracted the virus by sitting next to him. Of course, since they were co-workers, he could have contracted at work too... no? As far as I can tell, the article didn't say anything about how the co-worker contracted the virus.
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Patrick Sawyer was told not to travel out of Liberia because he took care of a sister who died from Ebola. He escaped quarantine to attend an "important conference" in Nigeria and his coworker unknowingly sat next to him on the same flight.

 
Ditka Butkus said:
Rohn Jambo said:
Ditka Butkus said:
Rohn Jambo said:
This is inhumanehttp://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/13/science/using-a-tactic-unseen-in-a-century-countries-cordon-off-ebola-racked-areas.html
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Is it?....I think it is more inhumane to let it potentially spread to millions of others.
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You will not say this if you live in those communities.
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So do you have a better solution?
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It would be better to work with the local community organizers and village leaders to come up with a way to get this under control.
 
Rohn Jambo said:
moleculo said:
Rohn Jambo said:
[icon] said:
Rohn Jambo said:
It would be better to work with the local community organizers and village leaders to come up with a way to get this under control.
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:lol:
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That sounds better than genocide, no?
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genocide?
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See the link above on the cordon sanitaire tactic being used in W. Africa.
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huh. I was not aware that prohibiting people from travel was the same as "the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation."

 
Rohn Jambo said:
moleculo said:
Rohn Jambo said:
[icon] said:
Rohn Jambo said:
It would be better to work with the local community organizers and village leaders to come up with a way to get this under control.
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:lol:
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That sounds better than genocide, no?
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genocide?
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See the link above on the cordon sanitaire tactic being used in W. Africa.
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Umm...not quite the same thing. And by that I mean its not even close to the same thing.
 
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Ditka Butkus said:
Isn't this suppose to be the birthplace of mankind?....How in the hell can their civilization be around the longest and be one of the least advanced?
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It's supposed to be Tanzania (Olduvai Gorge) so when I went there and saw the conditions I made the joke to my wife (born in TZ) that all the motivated people left and only the lazy stayed there. Didn't go over well.

 
Ebola moving too fast, doctors say

Geneva: The Ebola crisis in west Africa is outstripping the ability of aid organisations to stem the epidemic, the head of international medical charity MSF said Friday, likening it to a war.

"It is deteriorating faster, and moving faster, than we can respond to," Joanne Liu told reporters a day after returning from a 10-day mission to the hard-hit region.

"It is like war time. There is fear," she said.

"It's moving, and advancing, but we have no clue how it's going. Like in a war time, we have a total collapse of infrastructure," she added.


The outbreak started at the beginning of this year in the forested border zone between Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia, and has also spread to Nigeria.

While Guinea had initially been the hotbed, the pace of the outbreak there has slowed, with concerns now focused on the other countries, notably Liberia.

"If we don't stabilise Liberia, we'll never stabilise the region," said Liu.
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Tom Servo said:
(HULK) said:
Tom Servo said:
And then there's this guy:

http://wwor.org/zombie-prepper-totally-stoked-ebola-outbreak/
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The heck is wrong with some people?
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When the zombie apocalypse comes, you're going to be begging him for advice. :coffee:
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No I'm not. If you saw that thread, you know that I'll be dual wielding machettes and leading a gang in the city.

But, as awesome as that would be, I would never cheer on or hope for an apocolypse.

 
jamny said:
Ebola moving too fast, doctors say

Geneva: The Ebola crisis in west Africa is outstripping the ability of aid organisations to stem the epidemic, the head of international medical charity MSF said Friday, likening it to a war.

"It is deteriorating faster, and moving faster, than we can respond to," Joanne Liu told reporters a day after returning from a 10-day mission to the hard-hit region.

"It is like war time. There is fear," she said.

"It's moving, and advancing, but we have no clue how it's going. Like in a war time, we have a total collapse of infrastructure," she added.

The outbreak started at the beginning of this year in the forested border zone between Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia, and has also spread to Nigeria.

While Guinea had initially been the hotbed, the pace of the outbreak there has slowed, with concerns now focused on the other countries, notably Liberia.

"If we don't stabilise Liberia, we'll never stabilise the region," said Liu.
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Yep, we're ####ed. Just a matter of time before this becomes a global pandemic. Make sure you tell your loved ones that you love them. :(
 
McGarnicle said:
jamny said:
Ebola moving too fast, doctors say

Geneva: The Ebola crisis in west Africa is outstripping the ability of aid organisations to stem the epidemic, the head of international medical charity MSF said Friday, likening it to a war.

"It is deteriorating faster, and moving faster, than we can respond to," Joanne Liu told reporters a day after returning from a 10-day mission to the hard-hit region.

"It is like war time. There is fear," she said.

"It's moving, and advancing, but we have no clue how it's going. Like in a war time, we have a total collapse of infrastructure," she added.

The outbreak started at the beginning of this year in the forested border zone between Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia, and has also spread to Nigeria.

While Guinea had initially been the hotbed, the pace of the outbreak there has slowed, with concerns now focused on the other countries, notably Liberia.

"If we don't stabilise Liberia, we'll never stabilise the region," said Liu.
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Yep, we're ####ed. Just a matter of time before this becomes a global pandemic. Make sure you tell your loved ones that you love them. :(
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Unless something causes this to change directions, this is heading towards killing hundreds of thousands (maybe more).

However, it will not spread in the US in anyway similar to how it is spreading now in Africa. The healthcare infrasturctures and societal norms between here and there are completely different.

 
McGarnicle said:
jamny said:
Ebola moving too fast, doctors say

Geneva: The Ebola crisis in west Africa is outstripping the ability of aid organisations to stem the epidemic, the head of international medical charity MSF said Friday, likening it to a war.

"It is deteriorating faster, and moving faster, than we can respond to," Joanne Liu told reporters a day after returning from a 10-day mission to the hard-hit region.

"It is like war time. There is fear," she said.

"It's moving, and advancing, but we have no clue how it's going. Like in a war time, we have a total collapse of infrastructure," she added.

The outbreak started at the beginning of this year in the forested border zone between Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia, and has also spread to Nigeria.

While Guinea had initially been the hotbed, the pace of the outbreak there has slowed, with concerns now focused on the other countries, notably Liberia.

"If we don't stabilise Liberia, we'll never stabilise the region," said Liu.
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Yep, we're ####ed. Just a matter of time before this becomes a global pandemic. Make sure you tell your loved ones that you love them. :(
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Don't worry about it...there are plenty of people in this thread who have assured us nothing bad can happen here in America.

 
Politician Spock said:
McGarnicle said:
jamny said:
Ebola moving too fast, doctors say

Geneva: The Ebola crisis in west Africa is outstripping the ability of aid organisations to stem the epidemic, the head of international medical charity MSF said Friday, likening it to a war.

"It is deteriorating faster, and moving faster, than we can respond to," Joanne Liu told reporters a day after returning from a 10-day mission to the hard-hit region.

"It is like war time. There is fear," she said.

"It's moving, and advancing, but we have no clue how it's going. Like in a war time, we have a total collapse of infrastructure," she added.

The outbreak started at the beginning of this year in the forested border zone between Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia, and has also spread to Nigeria.

While Guinea had initially been the hotbed, the pace of the outbreak there has slowed, with concerns now focused on the other countries, notably Liberia.

"If we don't stabilise Liberia, we'll never stabilise the region," said Liu.
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Yep, we're ####ed. Just a matter of time before this becomes a global pandemic. Make sure you tell your loved ones that you love them. :(
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Unless something causes this to change directions, this is heading towards killing hundreds of thousands (maybe more).

However, it will not spread in the US in anyway similar to how it is spreading now in Africa. The healthcare infrasturctures and societal norms between here and there are completely different.
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You'd think they'd have a come to jesus moment given this situation. Eventually?

 
Ditka Butkus said:
McGarnicle said:
jamny said:
Ebola moving too fast, doctors say

Geneva: The Ebola crisis in west Africa is outstripping the ability of aid organisations to stem the epidemic, the head of international medical charity MSF said Friday, likening it to a war.

"It is deteriorating faster, and moving faster, than we can respond to," Joanne Liu told reporters a day after returning from a 10-day mission to the hard-hit region.

"It is like war time. There is fear," she said.

"It's moving, and advancing, but we have no clue how it's going. Like in a war time, we have a total collapse of infrastructure," she added.

The outbreak started at the beginning of this year in the forested border zone between Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia, and has also spread to Nigeria.

While Guinea had initially been the hotbed, the pace of the outbreak there has slowed, with concerns now focused on the other countries, notably Liberia.

"If we don't stabilise Liberia, we'll never stabilise the region," said Liu.
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Yep, we're ####ed. Just a matter of time before this becomes a global pandemic. Make sure you tell your loved ones that you love them. :(
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Don't worry about it...there are plenty of people in this thread who have assured us nothing bad can happen here in America.
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The ebola virus isn't spread during incubation so the person has to be showing symptoms and then you have to come in contact with their blood/mucus. If it was easy to spread we'd all be dead by now.

 
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