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Rohn Jambo said:
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Rohn Jambo said:
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Rohn Jambo said:
It would be better to work with the local community organizers and village leaders to come up with a way to get this under control.
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That sounds better than genocide, no?
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It sounds profoundly ignorant of what life is like over there.
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Apparently, not everyone thinks so. :coffee: http://allafrica.com/stories/201408150029.html
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And sometimes,one size fits all.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/obama-administration-called-thousands-of-civil-rights-black-leaders-on/article_770d34f3-d178-5b89-8a69-2076574ee169.html

 
they just had someone on npr talking about the situation in liberia. She thinks it's going to be out of control there soon. The government is completely incompetent and the population density there makes it a match ready to light.

 
culdeus said:
they just had someone on npr talking about the situation in liberia. She thinks it's going to be out of control there soon. The government is completely incompetent and the population density there makes it a match ready to light.
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There's a curfew and tear gas has been fired. They've apparently not escalated to assault rifles and tanks yet.

Perhaps a future job opportunity for ex-cops from Ferguson

 
I think there is a good chance Liberia gets completely devastated by this. We aren't far from a "quarantine the whole country" scenario. Truly tragic for those people.

 
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I think there is a good chance Liberia gets completely devastated by this. We aren't far from a "quarantine the whole country" scenario. Truly tragic for those people.
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So far it's only curfew in one slum as far as I know, but I suppose it could get worse...

 
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I think there is a good chance Liberia gets completely devastated by this. We aren't far from a "quarantine the whole country" scenario. Truly tragic for those people.
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If everyone would stop touching other people for a couple of weeks this would all be over.

 
Why Are Americans So Scared of Ebola?

My answer - we're a bunch of drama queens, but here's the article's answer:

early 40 percent of Americans believe there will be a “large outbreak” of Ebola virus in the United States, and more than a quarter worry that someone in their immediate families will be infected within the next year.

The new survey shows that what people believe is not even close to the actual reality. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and just about every leading expert on infectious disease that you can find agrees: Ebola is very unlikely to spread in the United States. Even in a country affected by an outbreak, an individual’s chance of getting it are very low, but in the developed world, they’re virtually zero.

“The risk of Ebola is also lower in more developed countries because they have the resources needed to implement best practices if a case — or suspected case — occurs. Even if an Ebola case were detected, authorities have the ability to quickly handle the case properly and prevent spread in the community,” the group International SOS, which helps evacuate travelers needing medical care in foreign countries, says on its website.

So why the disconnect? Well, it might be our fault. Us, as in the news media, and the entertainment media. And, experts argue, people are not really responding illogically at all.

“Guess what? Maggie Fox has been doing lots of stories about Ebola,” says Massachusetts-based risk perception consultant David Ropeik. “So it’s available to peoples’ awareness.”

It’s better than watching a zombie movie, says New York based risk communication expert Jody Lanard. It’s frightening and it’s real.

“I actually don’t think people in the West are responding out of proportion,” Lanard said. “They are responding with enormous interest to something that is really scary.”

When news media report on a new threat, even if it’s a distant threat, it feels like it’s close to home, Ropeik says. “It’s called the availability heuristic,” Ropeik told NBC News. “It’s a mental shortcut for making sense of partial information.”

"We have lazy brains. We don’t want to think about things in a lot of detail."

News media have done a good job of accurately reporting the threat of catching Ebola — it’s very high if you are a health care worker in a poor country with limited resources, working double shifts with inadequate equipment. It’s very low if you are not in prolonged, direct contact with someone who is infected, or with the body of someone recently dead from Ebola.

The virus isn’t carried in the air and probably isn’t easily transmitted from objects a sick person may have touched, either. All of those infected have had direct contact with bodily fluids such as blood, diarrhea or vomit.

“Even though your stories may have included the fact that you have to have open sore or direct bodily contact to catch it, that is not the headline to most people here. We have lazy brains. We don’t want to think about things in a lot of detail,” Ropeik said.

This, according to the survey done by Gillian SteelFisher and colleagues at the Harvard School of Public Health, means that 68 percent of those surveyed believe Ebola spreads very easily or somewhat easily.

“We just don’t do all the homework. We never do,” Ropeik says.

It’s human nature to imagine what it would be like if it did come close, Lanard says. “We all kind of imagine catching Ebola because that’s what you do with something new and really, really, really scary, Lanard said.

“It’s not irrational. This is instinctive,” Ropeik adds. “This is just part of how humans do this stuff. It’s not stupid.”

On top of that, people have a background of what they think is knowledge about Ebola, thanks to the entertainment industry. It started with “The Hot Zone,” the 1994 thriller billed as the “Terrifying True Story” of viral hemorrhagic fevers such as Ebola. The novel may be partly based on fact, but writer Richard Preston adds a liberal dose of imagination to his writing, and the 1995 movie “Outbreak,” based on Preston's book, took even more liberties with the truth.

Blood doesn’t pour from the eyes, noses and mouths of victims, although they may hemorrhage, and while many suffer multiple organ failure, their organs do not dissolve in the way that Preston graphically and frighteningly describes.

In 2003, one season of the hit series “24” portrayed an even deadlier and more transmissible virus, one that spread through the air and killed within hours. The main character in the 2011 film “Contagion” manages to spread a new kind of highly deadly virus around the world in a matter of days. And people become infected within seconds by the virus that zombifies them in “World War Z."

People know Ebola doesn’t spread that way. They do know, however, that there is no drug that cures it and no vaccine that prevents it and that it kills anywhere between half and 90 percent of victims.
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Eh, not so much. People can see the suffering there and have compassion/sympathy for the victims. Yes, there's also a little bit of "what if", but that's natural.

You don't have to go all Ham, but IMO there's nothing wrong with having legitimate concerns about how the government will fight it if it coomes here.

 
Rohn Jambo said:
It should be a concern to you unless you're a dog. It is in 6 countries and the CDC chief admitted it is out of control. Fatality rate is about 50% so it's a crapshoot if you get infected and if you do not, you still have to worry about you doggy becoming an Ebola carrier.

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/11/3/pdfs/04-0981.pdf
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After you are infected you have a 50% risk of dying. Fatality rate does not say anything about your risk of contracting the disease

 
msommer said:
Rohn Jambo said:
It should be a concern to you unless you're a dog. It is in 6 countries and the CDC chief admitted it is out of control. Fatality rate is about 50% so it's a crapshoot if you get infected and if you do not, you still have to worry about you doggy becoming an Ebola carrier.

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/11/3/pdfs/04-0981.pdf
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After you are infected you have a 50% risk of dying. Fatality rate does not say anything about your risk of contracting the disease
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So you're saying that if my wife and I get ebola, either way I win?

 
cstu said:
msommer said:
Rohn Jambo said:
It should be a concern to you unless you're a dog. It is in 6 countries and the CDC chief admitted it is out of control. Fatality rate is about 50% so it's a crapshoot if you get infected and if you do not, you still have to worry about you doggy becoming an Ebola carrier.

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/11/3/pdfs/04-0981.pdf
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After you are infected you have a 50% risk of dying. Fatality rate does not say anything about your risk of contracting the disease
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So you're saying that if my wife and I get ebola, either way I win?
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Nope. still 25% chance you both survive. Sorry

 
msommer said:
cstu said:
msommer said:
Rohn Jambo said:
It should be a concern to you unless you're a dog. It is in 6 countries and the CDC chief admitted it is out of control. Fatality rate is about 50% so it's a crapshoot if you get infected and if you do not, you still have to worry about you doggy becoming an Ebola carrier.

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/11/3/pdfs/04-0981.pdf
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After you are infected you have a 50% risk of dying. Fatality rate does not say anything about your risk of contracting the disease
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So you're saying that if my wife and I get ebola, either way I win?
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Nope. still 25% chance you both survive. Sorry
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Hey, let's leave statistics out of this!

 
Psychopav said:
msommer said:
cstu said:
msommer said:
Rohn Jambo said:
It should be a concern to you unless you're a dog. It is in 6 countries and the CDC chief admitted it is out of control. Fatality rate is about 50% so it's a crapshoot if you get infected and if you do not, you still have to worry about you doggy becoming an Ebola carrier.http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/11/3/pdfs/04-0981.pdf
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After you are infected you have a 50% risk of dying. Fatality rate does not say anything about your risk of contracting the disease
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So you're saying that if my wife and I get ebola, either way I win?
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Nope. still 25% chance you both survive. Sorry
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Hey, let's leave statistics out of this!
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Obama is gonna interfere with cstu's odds of marital happiness.http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/07/us-health-ebola-obama-idUSKBN0H20F020140907

 
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msommer said:
cstu said:
msommer said:
Rohn Jambo said:
It should be a concern to you unless you're a dog. It is in 6 countries and the CDC chief admitted it is out of control. Fatality rate is about 50% so it's a crapshoot if you get infected and if you do not, you still have to worry about you doggy becoming an Ebola carrier.

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/11/3/pdfs/04-0981.pdf
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After you are infected you have a 50% risk of dying. Fatality rate does not say anything about your risk of contracting the disease
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So you're saying that if my wife and I get ebola, either way I win?
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Nope. still 25% chance you both survive. Sorry
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Nobody likes math.

 
msommer said:
Rohn Jambo said:
It should be a concern to you unless you're a dog. It is in 6 countries and the CDC chief admitted it is out of control. Fatality rate is about 50% so it's a crapshoot if you get infected and if you do not, you still have to worry about you doggy becoming an Ebola carrier.http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/11/3/pdfs/04-0981.pdf
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After you are infected you have a 50% risk of dying. Fatality rate does not say anything about your risk of contracting the disease
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The chance of me touching an infected person in W. Africa is zero right now. We lucked out with the Swine Flu pandemic. I pay attention to Ebola to see if world governments have a better game plan to deal with a new outbreak and how effective they are. The answer is clearly no.
 
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The Mathematics of Ebola Trigger Stark Warnings : Act now or regret it

Wired Magazine

Excerpts:

"In a worst-case hypothetical scenario, should the outbreak continue with recent trends, the case burden could gain an additional 77,181 to 277,124 cases by the end of 2014."

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"There are two possible future chapters to this story that should keep us up at night.

The first possibility is that the Ebola virus spreads from West Africa to megacities in other regions of the developing world. This outbreak is very different from the 19 that have occurred in Africa over the past 40 years. It is much easier to control Ebola infections in isolated villages. But there has been a 300 percent increase in Africa’s population over the last four decades, much of it in large city slums…

The second possibility is one that virologists are loath to discuss openly but are definitely considering in private: that an Ebola virus could mutate to become transmissible through the air… viruses like Ebola are notoriously sloppy in replicating, meaning the virus entering one person may be genetically different from the virus entering the next. The current Ebola virus’s hyper-evolution is unprecedented; there has been more human-to-human transmission in the past four months than most likely occurred in the last 500 to 1,000 years. Each new infection represents trillions of throws of the genetic dice."

 
You already know you cannot get more doses of ZMapp without planting massive amount of tobacco leaves.

You'd better pray that human trial for at least one vaccine has positive results by year end. Those female volunteers are very brave to risk infection. :tebow:

 
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The Mathematics of Ebola Trigger Stark Warnings : Act now or regret it

Wired Magazine

Excerpts:

"In a worst-case hypothetical scenario, should the outbreak continue with recent trends, the case burden could gain an additional 77,181 to 277,124 cases by the end of 2014."

----

"There are two possible future chapters to this story that should keep us up at night.

The first possibility is that the Ebola virus spreads from West Africa to megacities in other regions of the developing world. This outbreak is very different from the 19 that have occurred in Africa over the past 40 years. It is much easier to control Ebola infections in isolated villages. But there has been a 300 percent increase in Africa’s population over the last four decades, much of it in large city slums…

The second possibility is one that virologists are loath to discuss openly but are definitely considering in private: that an Ebola virus could mutate to become transmissible through the air… viruses like Ebola are notoriously sloppy in replicating, meaning the virus entering one person may be genetically different from the virus entering the next. The current Ebola virus’s hyper-evolution is unprecedented; there has been more human-to-human transmission in the past four months than most likely occurred in the last 500 to 1,000 years. Each new infection represents trillions of throws of the genetic dice."
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Yikes.

 
news.yahoo.com/obama-stop-ebola-hundreds-thousands-infected-202248034.html

Obama saying we have to act before hundreds of thousands infected. Which begs the question that if hundreds are infected now, and it is such a huge threat, what will stop it at hundreds of thousands? Doesn't that really mean millions?

 
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Mr. Ham said:
news.yahoo.com/obama-stop-ebola-hundreds-thousands-infected-202248034.html

Obama saying we have to act before hundreds of thousands infected. Which begs the question that if hundreds are infected now, and it is such a huge threat, what will stop it at hundreds of thousands? Doesn't that really mean millions?
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Yes. You already know only 4 hospitals in the US have bio-containment patient care units - the largest one in Nebraska has 10 beds in 5 rooms. The CDC mentions 20 quarantine stations across the country, but I think they are just rooms in major airports for passenger examination. The one in Boston Logan Airport has 1 room which fits 5 CDC staff members. This old link from 2005 has a picture of the one in JKF International Airport.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/27/AR2005082700958.html

Anyway, shelter in place seems to be helping in Sierra Leon.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/21/us-health-ebola-leone-idUSKBN0HG0NW20140921

 
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Rohn Jambo said:
Sinn Fein said:
:yawn:
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Supposedly, what is happening in West Africa would not happen here.http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/09/19/ebola-in-the-u-s-dont-bet-on-it/
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At a Senate hearing the same day Obama was in Atlanta, Beth Bell, director of the CDC's National Center for Emerging and Zoonotic Infectious Diseases, emphasized that the agency does not consider Ebola to be a "significant public health threat" to the United States.
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Mr. Ham said:
news.yahoo.com/obama-stop-ebola-hundreds-thousands-infected-202248034.html

Obama saying we have to act before hundreds of thousands infected. Which begs the question that if hundreds are infected now, and it is such a huge threat, what will stop it at hundreds of thousands? Doesn't that really mean millions?
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How the disease is spread.

You really need to have an understanding of the conditions people in most of Africa live in and the level of education they have.

 
So I'm watching the PBS Frontline Doc about Ebola and couldn't help but notice when they mentioned how a little 8 year old girl infected an entire village. Her grandmother had the Ebola virus, and she then came in contact with her grandmother. Later on she was seen crying at the funeral by hugging her dead grandmother, then passed the virus on like a domino effect.

:wtf: :lmao:

 
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cstu said:
Rohn Jambo said:
Sinn Fein said:
:yawn:
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Supposedly, what is happening in West Africa would not happen here.http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/09/19/ebola-in-the-u-s-dont-bet-on-it/
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At a Senate hearing the same day Obama was in Atlanta, Beth Bell, director of the CDC's National Center for Emerging and Zoonotic Infectious Diseases, emphasized that the agency does not consider Ebola to be a "significant public health threat" to the United States.
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Yes, the government is more concerned about quarantining Yellowstone bisons.http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/09/21/scientists-eyeing-yellowstone-bison-quarantine/?intcmp=latestnews

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/16/yellowstone-kill-bison_n_5833016.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMSPrHXvyws

 
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cstu said:
Mr. Ham said:
news.yahoo.com/obama-stop-ebola-hundreds-thousands-infected-202248034.html

Obama saying we have to act before hundreds of thousands infected. Which begs the question that if hundreds are infected now, and it is such a huge threat, what will stop it at hundreds of thousands? Doesn't that really mean millions?
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How the disease is spread.

You really need to have an understanding of the conditions people in most of Africa live in and the level of education they have.
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Add to that is the lack of doctors and hospitals.
 
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