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Fat Nick said:
Mark Davis said:
http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/health/2014/10/08/ebola-jesse-jackson-dallas-tx-patient/16889201/

This was only a matter of time
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I'd be OK if he examined Duncan's apartment, and insisted on inspecting his soiled bed sheets, etc...
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I think the family's questions on why Duncan didn't receive the experimental drug until the day before he died or a blood transfusion from the survivors like the other patients are important questions to ask.

 
lod01 said:
Now onto the big question. They have previously stopped it in Africa yet it comes back It appears fruit bats can carry it along with other animals. Now that we have brought it over here to US soil, what makes people so sure it won't rear it's ugly head down the road and let me tell you, with the way people travel in this country, if someone has it, it can spread a lot faster than it can in Africa.
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It spread faster here because our sanitation isn't up par with west Africa.

 
Experts cautioned that a temperature check on arrival would almost certainly not have detected that Mr. Duncan had Ebola before he entered the country. The disease typically incubates for eight to 10 days before symptoms, including fever, develop.

American health officials believe Mr. Duncan did not have a fever when he arrived in the United States, a view seconded by his family. “There’s a sense that this is a be-all-and-end-all and that this will put up an iron curtain, but it won’t,” said Dr. William Schaffner, a professor of preventive medicine at Vanderbilt University. “At the very most, all we are buying here is some reduction of anxiety.” He added, “That’s worth something because, at the moment, we have a much larger outbreak of anxiety than we have of Ebola.”
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/09/us/newly-vigilant-us-is-to-screen-fliers-for-ebola.html?src=twr

 
Fennis said:
Fat Nick said:
Mark Davis said:
http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/health/2014/10/08/ebola-jesse-jackson-dallas-tx-patient/16889201/

This was only a matter of time
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I'd be OK if he examined Duncan's apartment, and insisted on inspecting his soiled bed sheets, etc...
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I think the family's questions on why Duncan didn't receive the experimental drug until the day before he died or a blood transfusion from the survivors like the other patients are important questions to ask.
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Which I guess on the surface is fine...I think it's human nature to question if something could've been done differently when someone dies...but to actually think that for some reason they wouldn't give this guy the best care, with all the media scrutiny, is stupid. I think that they should have obviously admitted him after his 1st visit...but then again, that's hindsight. In hindsight, nobody in their right mind would get on a plane and leave Liberia after taking care of someone with Ebola either, so I honestly am not clear as to whether Duncan was transparent with what he thought he might have on his 1st visit.

 
El Floppo said:
Fat Nick said:
Fennis said:
Mark Davis said:
http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/health/2014/10/08/ebola-jesse-jackson-dallas-tx-patient/16889201/

This was only a matter of time
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these sort of things happens when you politicize a health issue. any time anything bad happens to an African American and Jessie thinks he can get some publicity.
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Fixed that for you...
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Reverend Al scoffs at that idea.
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He's just mad Jessie's plane landed in Texas first...

 
Fat Nick said:
El Floppo said:
Fat Nick said:
Fennis said:
Mark Davis said:
http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/health/2014/10/08/ebola-jesse-jackson-dallas-tx-patient/16889201/

This was only a matter of time
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these sort of things happens when you politicize a health issue. any time anything bad happens to an African American and Jessie thinks he can get some publicity.
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Fixed that for you...
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Reverend Al scoffs at that idea.
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He's just mad Jessie's plane landed in Texas first...
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By the way- Al has the biggest head-to-body size ratio (particularly including hair) of any person or animal I've ever seen.

 
Fennis said:
Fat Nick said:
Mark Davis said:
http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/health/2014/10/08/ebola-jesse-jackson-dallas-tx-patient/16889201/

This was only a matter of time
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I'd be OK if he examined Duncan's apartment, and insisted on inspecting his soiled bed sheets, etc...
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I think the family's questions on why Duncan didn't receive the experimental drug until the day before he died or a blood transfusion from the survivors like the other patients are important questions to ask.
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Maybe he was the control group

 
Ebola suspected in Briton's death in Macedonia, hotel sealed off

Reuters) - A British man showing symptoms of the Ebola virus died in Macedonia on Thursday and authorities said they had sealed off a hotel where he stayed, keeping another Briton and hotel staff inside.

A Health Ministry official said the man had arrived in the capital, Skopje, from Britain on Oct. 2 and had been rushed to hospital at 3 p.m. (9 a.m. EDT) on Thursday, where he died several hours later.

Dr. Jovanka Kostovska of the ministry's commission for infectious diseases said the man had been suffering from fever, vomiting and internal bleeding, and that his condition deteriorated rapidly.

Amid fears that the disease might spread in Europe, Kostovska told a news conference: "These are all symptoms of Ebola, which raises suspicions with this patient."

Ebola, which is spread through direct contact with body fluids from an infected person, has killed nearly 4,000 people in West Africa since March, in the largest outbreak on record.

The health of a Spanish nurse, the first person believed to have contracted Ebola outside Africa, worsened on Thursday in Madrid, where a total of seven people are in isolation.

Kostovska said that samples had been sent to Germany for tests, and that steps had been taken to isolate the hotel where he had stayed. Authorities did not name the man, saying only that he was born in 1956.

A senior government official had earlier said a second Briton had also shown symptoms of the disease, but Kostovska did not confirm this. Authorities were looking into whether the victim had been in Africa before making the trip from Britain to Macedonia.

 
Why is it so hard to go onto a major news site and figure out if there is a 2nd case here? What happened to that first responder?

 
culdeus said:
Why is it so hard to go onto a major news site and figure out if there is a 2nd case here? What happened to that first responder?
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false alarm. He had a stomach ache and panicked. Just to be sure they are testing him and the results come back today.

He had no fever.

 
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Bucky86 said:
Fennis said:
culdeus said:
Why is it so hard to go onto a major news site and figure out if there is a 2nd case here? What happened to that first responder?
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false alarm. He had a stomach ache and panicked. Just to be sure they are testing him and the results come back today.

He had no fever.
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:lmao: I bet his co-workers are going to give him #### for this.
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Honestly, I don't blame him. I feel like I have Ebola just from reading this thread. I can only imagine if I walked in to the apartment of someone who died from it.

 
shader said:
The panic in this country will far exceed the actual virus in terms of damage it will cause.

This is not the Bird flu. This is a killer virus that causes your organs to liquefy and causes you to bleed out of all your orifices.

The average person seems to be on high alert. But the problem I see is that people have really interesting views on this thing. You have a subset of people who are convinced that this thing is gonna wipe out the world. You have people who are absolutely convinced that it poses no threat to a "first-world" country. The truth is somewhere in the middle.

Ebola is living proof of the harm that conspiracy theorists have caused. You can't express serious concern over something like this without being considered a tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist. Epidemics happen and lots of people die. One Ebola outbreak in Texas should get stopped in it's tracks with proper intervention. But if it gets to 4-5 people, and if outbreaks start popping up in other big cities, people are going to freak out.
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:goodposting: I haven't been either alarmist or dismissive. It's about reasonable measures to prevent this from becoming a problem to everyone.

 
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

GOP 2016ers on Ebola: Panic

For once, President Barack Obama and Texas Gov. Rick Perry are on the same page. At separate briefings on the Ebola crisis, Obama administration officials and Perry have delivered the same message: Don’t panic — the health authorities know what they’re doing.

But for other Republicans — and conservative media outlets — it’s time for panic.

The likely 2016 Republican presidential candidates — except for Perry — are practically lining up to warn that the Obama administration isn’t doing enough to keep Ebola out of the United States, now that Dallas is dealing with the nation’s first confirmed case.

Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky declared on “The Laura Ingraham Show” that “this could get beyond our control” and worried, “Can you imagine if a whole ship full of our soldiers catch Ebola?”

Sen. Ted Cruz — Perry’s Texas colleague — raised the prospect of restricting or banning flights to the West African countries that are hardest hit by the disease, noting in a letter to the Federal Aviation Administration that some African nations and certain airlines have already imposed their own flight bans.

Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin floated the idea of quarantining airline passengers in the affected African countries before they could fly out. “We’re learning a lot about how it’s spread but the question is ‘How can a person just jump on a plane and get here without a quarantine period of 21 days,’ which I believe is recommended,” he said on a radio talk show Wednesday. A spokesman for Ryan says the congressman misspoke and was referencing a recommendation to be monitored for 21 days.

And Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal says the United States should cut off flights from those countries. “President Obama said it was ‘unlikely’ that Ebola would reach the U.S. Well, it has, and we need to protect our people,” he said in a statement Friday.

In fact, of the 2016 Republican hopefuls who have commented on the Ebola crisis, Perry is the only one who has been a reassuring voice.

At a Wednesday press conference in Dallas, he made all of the points public health experts make to reduce public fears: You can’t catch it by breathing it, people aren’t contagious before they have any symptoms, and it’s much harder to catch than the common cold. And he gave public health officials a strong vote of confidence: “Rest assured that our system is working as it should. Professionals on every level of the chain of command know what to do to minimize this potential risk to the people of Texas and of this country, for that matter.”

If anything, the calmer voices have been coming from Republicans who aren’t about to jump into the White House race. Paul’s father, former Rep. Ron Paul, took the opposite line from his son — he warned people not to overreact. John Cornyn, the other Texas senator, asked the administration about passenger screening, but not flight bans.

And House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Fred Upton, in a statement announcing a hearing on the crisis, declared that “the United States has a first-class health care system and we will do everything necessary to treat the sick, contain the threat, and protect the public health.”

It’s a glaring contrast, but most public health experts — including GOP health care experts — say there’s nothing wrong with the 2016 Republicans raising questions about the effectiveness of the Obama administration’s safeguards against Ebola, or asking whether stronger measures should be taken.

It’s the tone that makes all the difference in the world — especially for politicians who are basically auditioning for the role of commander in chief.

“It’s not that we should close our minds. It’s that they shouldn’t jump to extreme recommendations in public like this,” said William Schaffner, an infectious disease expert at Vanderbilt University. “It gets in the way of reasoned discourse and public education.”

In fact, it was Perry — the error-prone 2012 presidential candidate — who got the best reviews for his efforts to calm the public about the Dallas Ebola case. “I thought he did pretty well,” Schaffner said. “My hat was off to him.”

Perry’s office didn’t respond to a request for comment on the harder line the other Republicans have taken.

The tone of the other 2016 Republicans was practically subdued, however, compared to the coverage of the Dallas Ebola case in some conservative media outlets. In the Washington Free Beacon, for example, an article by conservative commentator Matthew Continetti carried the headline: “The Case for Panic.”

And then there’s good, old-fashioned distrust of the Obama administration — which is now being directed at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. On “Fox & Friends,” anchor Steve Doocy read a viewer email to CDC Director Tom Frieden: “This is a political thing, but you’re part of the administration — they feel that the administration has misled a lot of people on a lot of things. Why should we believe you when you’re telling us this stuff?”

There could be more hard-line suggestions from rank-and-file Republicans, too. On Friday, four Arkansas lawmakers — including Rep. Tom Cotton, who’s running against Sen. Mark Pryor in one of the tightest Senate races in the country — suggested suspending thousands of visas for people from the African countries affected by the outbreak.

GOP health care experts say, however, that it’s fine for the 2016 Republicans to ask questions about why the Obama administration isn’t imposing a flight ban or quarantining potentially sick travelers — because those are the questions many Americans are asking.

“These are pretty much reasonable questions to ask. Even if the answer is no … they ought to explain why the answer is whatever it is,” said Gail Wilensky, a former Medicare administrator under President George H.W. Bush.

“I think we should be talking about these things. It doesn’t mean we have to do them, but taking them off the table is not helpful,” said Tevi Troy, president of the American Health Policy Institute and a former deputy Health and Human Services secretary.

The Obama administration has been arguing against a flight ban or quarantining communities, insisting that isolating the West African countries would be impractical and would backfire by making it harder to treat Ebola in those countries.

At a White House briefing Friday, Lisa Monaco, a White House adviser on homeland security and counterterrorism, argued that a flight ban would “actually impede the response” because it would make it harder to get medical help to the region. She also argued that the screening at airports in Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone — using procedures developed by CDC — has already been effective because “many, many people, dozens of people, have been stopped from traveling.”

In an article Friday in the Financial Times, Frieden argued that “when countries are isolated, it is harder to get medical supplies and personnel deployed to stop the spread of Ebola.” Besides, he wrote, isolating people will increase their distrust of government and make them less cooperative — and people will find other ways to get out of those countries anyway.

“We can’t just isolate ourselves from the world … [and] the last thing those countries need is even more isolation,” said Schaffner. “It’s simply not going to work, and it’s not helpful.”

Wilensky agreed that a quarantine “does not seem feasible,” but added that “you need a reasonable discussion about why.” The answer, she said, is that if a quarantine is too onerous, “people aren’t going to ’fess up” if they’ve been exposed to Ebola.

And a travel ban “makes no sense,” she said, because “if people want to get here, they’ll get here. … When we live in a global age, bad things spread.”

Troy said it’s not a good idea for the administration to rule out a travel ban under any circumstances, because their thinking could change depending on how bad the outbreak gets. But it would cause problems, he said — not just because of the economic impact to the already devastated West African countries, but also because Americans and aid workers could get stuck there.

“What about Americans in the affected region? Then they’d have trouble getting out. What about compassionate aid workers who are helping patients in those countries? Do you want to make it harder for them to get out?” Troy asked. “The travel ban is not at all simple.”

Troy warned, however, that the CDC needs to be careful not to sound overconfident that public health officials have every danger covered — and should be “a little sharper in telling people that there will be other Ebola cases.”

“You need to avoid panic. You don’t want everyone showing up at the ER,” Troy said. “On the other hand, if you’re too Pollyanna-ish, people don’t believe you.”

The administration is already acknowledging that there could be other cases — although officials still insist that the system is good enough to keep them from spreading.

“It is entirely possible that we will see another case,” Monaco said Friday, but “we have a public health infrastructure and medical officials who are capable of dealing with cases if they present themselves. We are confident that we can stop this in its tracks.
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In fairness it's not totally a left/right political deal. Chris Matthews has been pretty open in calling for travel bans and saying they could have and should have done more.

 
Mark Davis said:
In fairness it's not totally a left/right political deal. Chris Matthews has been pretty open in calling for travel bans and saying they could have and should have done more.
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and Rick Perry says travel bans are not a solution

Tom Servo said:
Fennis said:
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

GOP 2016ers on Ebola: Panic
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This is what happens when you politicize a health issue.
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I couldn't agree more. Too bad that its happening.

 
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Fennis said:
Mark Davis said:
In fairness it's not totally a left/right political deal. Chris Matthews has been pretty open in calling for travel bans and saying they could have and should have done more.
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and Rick Perry says travel bans are not a solution

Tom Servo said:
Fennis said:
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

GOP 2016ers on Ebola: Panic
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This is what happens when you politicize a health issue.
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I couldn't agree more. Too bad that its happening.
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Can I quote you later as agreeing with Rick Perry on something?

 
Mark Davis said:
Fennis said:
Mark Davis said:
In fairness it's not totally a left/right political deal. Chris Matthews has been pretty open in calling for travel bans and saying they could have and should have done more.
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and Rick Perry says travel bans are not a solution

Tom Servo said:
Fennis said:
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

GOP 2016ers on Ebola: Panic
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This is what happens when you politicize a health issue.
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I couldn't agree more. Too bad that its happening.
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Can I quote you later as agreeing with Rick Perry on something?
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:lmao:

No.

 
If I lived in Texas, I might vote for Rick Perry for governor. I just don't want him to be president. I also have a big problem with his abortion bans. Other than that, from a distance, he seems like a capable governor to me.

 
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Fennis said:
If I lived in Texas, I might vote for Rick Perry for governor. I just don't want him to be president. I also have a big problem with his abortion bans. Other than that, from a distance, he seems like a capable governor to me.
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He's a buffoon
 
Fennis said:
Mark Davis said:
In fairness it's not totally a left/right political deal. Chris Matthews has been pretty open in calling for travel bans and saying they could have and should have done more.
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and Rick Perry says travel bans are not a solution

Tom Servo said:
Fennis said:
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

GOP 2016ers on Ebola: Panic
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This is what happens when you politicize a health issue.
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I couldn't agree more. Too bad that its happening.
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Democrats would never politicize a health issue? Politicians grab hold of whatever they think will get them elected. They're wretched.

http://www.rollcall.com/news/-32343-1.html

Democrats Quick to Politicize Health Care in Stimulus
 
cstu said:
joffer said:
Fennis said:
If I lived in Texas, I might vote for Rick Perry for governor. I just don't want him to be president. I also have a big problem with his abortion bans. Other than that, from a distance, he seems like a capable governor to me.
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He's a buffoon
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New discoveries make evolutionary explanation less plausible. (Feb 2008)
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Hmm...I don't agree with his Bart killing policy, but I do approve of his Selma-killing policy

 
Fennis said:
cstu said:
joffer said:
Fennis said:
If I lived in Texas, I might vote for Rick Perry for governor. I just don't want him to be president. I also have a big problem with his abortion bans. Other than that, from a distance, he seems like a capable governor to me.
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He's a buffoon
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New discoveries make evolutionary explanation less plausible. (Feb 2008)
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Hmm...I don't agree with his Bart killing policy, but I do approve of his Selma-killing policy
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Well, he framed me for armed robbery, but man, I'm aching for that upper-class tax cut.

 
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-29563530

Ebola is 'entrenched and accelerating' in West AfricaUS public health director Thomas Frieden: "This is controllable and this was preventable"
The World Health Organization (WHO) has warned that Ebola is now entrenched in the capital cities of all three worst-affected countries and is accelerating in almost all settings.

WHO deputy head Bruce Aylward warned that the world's response was not keeping up with the disease in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.

The three countries have appealed for more aid to help fight the disease.

The outbreak has killed more than 3,860 people, mainly in West Africa.

More than 200 health workers are among the victims.

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Speaking on Thursday, Mr Aylward said the situation was worse than it was 12 days ago.

"The disease is entrenched in the capitals, 70% of the people affected are definitely dying from this disease, and it is accelerating in almost all of the settings," he said.

Meanwhile in Spain, seven more people are being monitored in hospital for Ebola. They include two hairdressers who came into contact with Teresa Romero, a Madrid nurse looked after an Ebola patient who had been repatriated from West Africa.

She is now very ill and reported to be at serious risk of dying.

Elsewhere:

The medical charity Medecins Sans Frontieres reported a sharp increase of Ebola cases in the Guinean capital, Conakry, dashing hopes that that the disease was being stabilised there.

It also called for urgent international action. "To get ahead of the game we're going to need to deploy much more massively than what we have done so far," MSF President Joanna Liu said in a statement.

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How not to catch Ebola

  • Avoid direct contact with sick patients
  • Wear goggles to protect eyes
  • Clothing and clinical waste should be incinerated and any medical equipment that needs to be kept should be decontaminated
  • People who recover from Ebola should abstain from sex or use condoms for three months
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'Our people dying'

Also on Thursday, top US medical official Thomas Frieden said that the Ebola outbreak in West Africa was unlike anything since the emergence of HIV/Aids.

He told a meeting in Washington: "In the 30 years I've been working in public health, the only thing like this has been Aids," he said.

Sierra Leone President Ernest Bai Koroma told the meeting that "our people are dying".

He said that the world was not responding fast enough as children were being orphaned.


Fears have heightened that the deadly virus could be spreading further afield

A Liberian doctor died of the disease at a treatment centre in Monrovia on Thursday.

His death brings to four the number of doctors who have died in Liberia since the outbreak.

Nigerian success?

The EU has announced plans for a system to evacuate international staff from Ebola-infected countries if they show signs of the disease.

The move is expected to make it easier to deploy European medical workers to combat the crisis in West Africa.

Nigeria's government says 200 healthcare workers have volunteered to be sent to Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea as part of a global response team on Ebola.

Nigeria, which has had seven confirmed deaths from the virus, seems to have successfully contained the spread of the haemorrhagic fever, the BBC's Chris Ewokor in Abuja says.
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The outbreak has killed more than 3,860 people, mainly in West Africa.
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Sub-Saharan Africa has the most serious HIV and AIDS epidemic in the world. In 2012, roughly 25 million people were living with HIV, accounting for nearly 70 percent of the global total. In the same year, there were an estimated 1.6 million new HIV infections and 1.2 million AIDS-related deaths. 1 - See more at: http://www.avert.org/hiv-aids-sub-saharan-africa.htm#sthash.mrhUPy3E.dpuf
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More people die in Africa from AIDS in two days than the total number of people who have died from ebola.

 
joffer said:
Fennis said:
If I lived in Texas, I might vote for Rick Perry for governor. I just don't want him to be president. I also have a big problem with his abortion bans. Other than that, from a distance, he seems like a capable governor to me.
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not to hijack, but, from a distance it seems that way; but on the other hand, it also seems like he's doing a good job as governor....

 
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The outbreak has killed more than 3,860 people, mainly in West Africa.
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Sub-Saharan Africa has the most serious HIV and AIDS epidemic in the world. In 2012, roughly 25 million people were living with HIV, accounting for nearly 70 percent of the global total. In the same year, there were an estimated 1.6 million new HIV infections and 1.2 million AIDS-related deaths. 1 - See more at: http://www.avert.org/hiv-aids-sub-saharan-africa.htm#sthash.mrhUPy3E.dpuf
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More people die in Africa from AIDS in two days than the total number of people who have died from ebola.
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You have to give ebola time to work. AIDS has been around there for decades. This round of Ebola has only been around for months. If that statement about the capitals of these 3 countries is correct, everyone there will be dead within the year. Madrid has jumped in on the action now with one case possibly creating 7 more.

 
cstu said:
The outbreak has killed more than 3,860 people, mainly in West Africa.
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Sub-Saharan Africa has the most serious HIV and AIDS epidemic in the world. In 2012, roughly 25 million people were living with HIV, accounting for nearly 70 percent of the global total. In the same year, there were an estimated 1.6 million new HIV infections and 1.2 million AIDS-related deaths. 1 - See more at: http://www.avert.org/hiv-aids-sub-saharan-africa.htm#sthash.mrhUPy3E.dpuf
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More people die in Africa from AIDS in two days than the total number of people who have died from ebola.
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So this is what the African Nations have to offer the rest of the world.... :no:

 
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