pollardsvision
Footballguy
Right. According to all the internet memes, an infected person really has to vomit or defecate directly into someone else's mouth in order to pass it on.
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Bucky86
Footballguy
lod01
Footballguy
Dentist...
there are no such reported cases, and unless something with the virus changes significantly, there won't be.
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
Heading to Dallas next week, should I get my affairs in order?
lod01
Footballguy
Yep, I'm way ahead of the game: According to CDC guidelines, the Ebola virus does not survive on materials that have been incinerated.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Yetlod01 said:
Angry Beavers
Footballguy
Me too - at least its for work so if I should die the wife ought to have a great workers compensation claim.....Baloney Sandwich said:
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Parrothead
Footballguy
don't let an ebola patient puke or #### in your mouthBaloney Sandwich said:
Commentary, not a study. Especially dubious with "Unrestricted financial support" and accompanying photo provided by 3M who just happen to manufacture the filters used in the PAPR units.
Rather distastefully packaged shill.
shader
Footballguy
I'm not saying it cannot spread in the US. The virus itself doesn't give a crap where it is. It can spread anywhere.Mr. Ham said:
But I'm not "currently" worried about it spreading. The virus itself doesn't spread easy. For instance, even the kind of casual contact that I have with co-workers isn't likely to spread the disease. Why? Because I don't get in their faces all that often. I know it's early, but it appears that none of the original guy in Texas' family or any other casual contacts got the disease. It was spread to a health worker.
I think an unbelievable amount of resources are going to quickly go to Texas to head this off. They will also go to New York, LA, or any other big city that gets this. The US isn't going to allow this to get out of control this early. I firmly believe this. If they have to get to the point of quarantining all potential people who catch it, they will.
The concern right now isn't Dallas, it's Africa. If this thing explodes, if it gets all over Africa, if it makes it's way to India...it's going to be a virus that becomes endemic, or entrenched in the world. At this point, Ebola is going to be coming in all over the country at many different times. Over time, resources will be stretched thin, people will get lazy because they'll get used to working with Ebola, and it will continue to spread slowly...until enough people get it. If this thing gets to the point where there are hundreds of thousands infected (not that far off if the rate of infections continues as is), quarantines, flight restrictions and other economic problems will cause far more problems to us than the risk of Ebola.
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shader
Footballguy
that's absolutely what it is. The basis for this commentary is a paper published on a respiratory virus, not viral hemorragic fever like ebola.
The Commish
Footballguy
Not sure what you mean that it's unlikely. Indirect contact, as illustrated in my example, is how we get 90% of the "bugs" we get today and this is a pretty significantly resilient virus outside the body being able to exist for hours. It's "unlikely" right now because few people in the states have it. Imagine a place like NYC. It takes one person "infecting" a few doors unknowingly and you have the beginnings of an epidemic on your hands.ntz08 said:
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
Oh yeah...I got a like off of it.this is a phenomenally ignorant perspective. well doneSo this is what the African Nations have to offer the rest of the world....
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
Flying into JFK.......Thursday....Nervous I might cough or sneeze and send the whole plane into quarantine.
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That's by January, given present doubling every 3 weeks (current rate). I'm not looking at this in terms of what will happen this month. I'm hoping the world gets wise and throws everything we can at it, because I'm projecting out to 2016 - and if this isn't stamped out it's going to pose ongoing risks. We frankly appear ill equipped to handle a single patient in Dallas, in terms of preparedness, resources and confidence in response.
Point is, this is some very serious #### as long as the multiple of new infections is 2+. Right now it's around 2.8. That must stop, or we're going to see some #### next year that we've only imagined. This is why WHO is saying this is the most serious health crisis in modern times. The instinct that this shouldn't interrupt our regularly scheduled programming is short sighted.
If this thing overruns healthcare systems in major population centers, that's a nightmare.
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lod01
Footballguy
Cough on the plane I'm on and I'll burn you down to the ground with my newly purchased flamethrower.
90% of our "bugs", huh?
Not that i think this is going to change your perspective, but you can be directly in contact with a person who is infected and not become infected if the virus is not present at levels necessary for transmission. For each individual, this is different which explains the 2-21 day incubation period.
When you're talking about surface contamination,
SURVIVAL OUTSIDE HOST: Filoviruses have been reported capable to survive for weeks in blood and can also survive on contaminated surfaces, particularly at low temperatures (4°C). One study could not recover any Ebolavirus from experimentally contaminated surfaces (plastic, metal or glass) at room temperature. In another study, Ebolavirus dried onto glass, polymeric silicone rubber, or painted aluminum alloy is able to survive in the dark for several hours under ambient conditions (between 20 and 250C and 30–40% relative humidity) (amount of virus reduced to 37% after 15.4 hours), but is less stable than some other viral hemorrhagic fevers (Lassa).
The longest and highest rate of survival on a contaminated surface is under refrigerated temperatures and very low humidity levels, and appears to be on more porous surfaces.
Let's say the metal doorknob was still noticeably wet after immediately being contacted by the rather sweaty palm of a symptomatic, infected individual, and then you touched it. In that case, transmission would be more likely to take place if you had an open wound and/or then touched your mouth, eyes, nose, etc.
A virus needs a host or a suitable environment or it begins to die. Hard surfaces are not suitable environments even if you think what is stated here qualifies as "resilient".
Parrothead
Footballguy
Stop talking sense here. The world is going to end now that Ebola has gotten to the US - just lie back and accept it.
Widbil83
Footballguy
Bucky86
Footballguy
lod01
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
WHOLE lotta stupid in posts like this. There's plenty of room between "the world is coming to an end" and your "it's no big deal" shtick. Both extremes are pretty ignorant and lazy IMO.
So how does a health care worker get Ebola when she knows what she's treating?
http://www.vox.com/2014/10/13/6968775/ebola-nurse-united-states-texas-directions-protocol-breach
http://www.vox.com/2014/10/13/6968775/ebola-nurse-united-states-texas-directions-protocol-breach
El Floppo
Footballguy
Widbil83
Footballguy
If only Bush were still around so you guys could blame him.
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Yes and no. No, in that I was overly concerned about Swine Flu, when early reports was that it had a higher mortality rate than it had. Yes, in that I feared that our globalized world could spread a pandemic, that viruses can mutate more easily and that we weren't prepared to handle it. Yes, my 8 year old died of a flu complication in June.2 out of 3.
And at the time of his death, my son was the 26th flu-related death amongst children in Texas this year.
Don't argue with me. Argue with math. The multiple this is spreading at has to go down. I'm not at all saying it can't happen, but it must. And the fact is, we have to be wary of future pandemics for reasons why the WHO is so alarmed. It's a matter of time until the right virus that does have a high mortality rate spreads - and better we form a strategy for what to do when that occurs.
And I never advocated going to the ER for someone not exposed who sneezes.
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Tom Skerritt
Footballguy
It's seems as though that anyone with a fever and might have flown on an airplane recently is being treated as a suspect ebola patient. Will be super fun when flu season hits full stride.
shader
Footballguy
They are trying to flatten the curve because if they don't soon it won't be possible. If it gets worse I'm pretty confident the military will lock down the borders of the affected countries.Yes and no. No, in that I was overly concerned about Swine Flu, when early reports was that it had a higher mortality rate than it had. Yes, in that I feared that our globalized world could spread a pandemic, that viruses can mutate more easily and that we weren't prepared to handle it. Yes, my 8 year old died of a flu complication in June.2 out of 3.
And at the time of his death, my son was the 26th flu-related death amongst children in Texas this year.
Don't argue with me. Argue with math. The multiple this is spreading at has to go down. I'm not at all saying it can't happen, but it must. And the fact is, we have to be wary of future pandemics for reasons why the WHO is so alarmed. It's a matter of time until the right virus that does have a high mortality rate spreads - and better we form a strategy for what to do when that occurs.
And I never advocated going to the ER for someone not exposed who sneezes.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Some people just want to watch the world burn, guy.
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I certainly don't want that. I recognize that our world has changed and continues to do so at an unprecedented pace - and yes, viruses and the way we live today track to favor this kind of thing, and will until we learn to mitigate them. We'll have other social and economic realities occur at an exponential pace over the coming years because of the speed by which communications and computing affect geopolitics. Things happen at a much faster pace and at scale in a world with 7 billion people and growing and pushing the boundaries. We have exposure around a lot of bulging seams and there are black swans.
Which, if you haven't read described how the human mind is predisposed NOT to see very real risks even when they are present:
books.google.com/books/about/The_Black_Swan_Second_Edition.html?id=7wMuF4A4XF8C
"A black swan is a highly improbable event with three principal characteristics: It is unpredictable; it carries a massive impact; and, after the fact, we concoct an explanation that makes it appear less random, and more predictable, than it was. The astonishing success of Google was a black swan; so was 9/11. For Nassim Nicholas Taleb, black swans underlie almost everything about our world, from the rise of religions to events in our own personal lives.
Why do we not acknowledge the phenomenon of black swans until after they occur? Part of the answer, according to Taleb, is that humans are hardwired to learn specifics when they should be focused on generalities. We concentrate on things we already know and time and time again fail to take into consideration what we dont know. We are, therefore, unable to truly estimate opportunities, too vulnerable to the impulse to simplify, narrate, and categorize, and not open enough to rewarding those who can imagine the impossible.
For years, Taleb has studied how we fool ourselves into thinking we know more than we actually do. We restrict our thinking to the irrelevant and inconsequential, while large events continue to surprise us and shape our world. In this revelatory book, Taleb explains everything we know about what we dont know, and this second edition features a new philosophical and empirical essay, On Robustness and Fragility, which offers tools to navigate and exploit a Black Swan world."
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bagger
Footballguy
CA Hold Em was pretty awesome.
I think natalie Portman and Mila Kunis are black swans - and yes, they may be like rainbows
Bucky86
Footballguy
Not a chance I don't notice those swans.
BustedKnuckles
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