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Nina Pham reunited with her dog Bentley (video)

What's interesting to me about this video is that it shows several still pictures of Pham in a hospital bed, sitting up and looking alert. Now, I don't know if the pics were just timed right or what, but she doesn't look all that bad off. Maybe they're from a few hours before she was released or something.

 
NYC doctor Craig Spencer upgraded to stable condition

Now, IIRC, Nina Pham was upgraded to "stable" on either Sunday 10/19 or Monday 10/20, and then walked out of the hospital on Thursday 10/23.

Seems like 12-14-day recoveries have been typical for healthy adult Ebola patients with early intervention and top-notch care (fastidious hydration, especially). Looking for Spencer to leave the hospital before the weekend is out.

 
Ebola Uncertanties

Weird. These scientists should read this thread. People in here seem to have all of these questions answered.
Good science is clearly defined as not questioning government proclamations. There is a lot which the government says that makes no sense. Like why is being 3 feet away from someone considered safe, when you can spit further than that? Lots of stupid in the government's hard facts.

 
Ebola Uncertanties

Weird. These scientists should read this thread. People in here seem to have all of these questions answered.
Good science is clearly defined as not questioning government proclamations. There is a lot which the government says that makes no sense. Like why is being 3 feet away from someone considered safe, when you can spit further than that? Lots of stupid in the government's hard facts.
I can spit farther than you can throw a ritz cracker.

 
Its sad how much of a boogeyman Ebola is. Africa is going to get less and less help, because of something that isn't a threat to the US.

Parents' Ebola fears push Catholic teacher to quit

LOUISVILLE -- A teacher at St. Margaret Mary Catholic School who had recently returned from a mission trip to Kenya has resigned amid swirling frustration and fears about Ebola.

Susan Sherman was not immediately available Monday to comment on her resignation.

Cecilia Hart Price, chief communications officer for the Archdiocese of Louisville, confirmed that Sherman resigned and that St. Margaret Mary's principal has already begun trying to fill the teaching position.

The school had asked Sherman to take a paid "precautionary leave" of absence of 21 days upon her return from her trip after "strong parent concerns" about Ebola. It also asked Sherman, who is a registered nurse, to provide a doctor's note stating she was in good health.

There have been no reported cases of Ebola in Kenya. Indeed, the archdiocese, in a statement released last month regarding Sherman's trip, noted that the Kenyan village where Sherman was working — the remote village of Migori — is "in Eastern Africa, thousands of miles from West Africa, where the main outbreak of the virus is located."

The recent medical mission trip to Kenya was the fourth trip that she and her husband, Paul, a retired orthopedic surgeon, had taken with faith-based organization Kenya Relief.

Last week, Paul Sherman sent a letter to Archbishop Joseph Kurtz, complaining that "unfounded fears" of some parents and parish staff "are triumphing over truth and reason." He said he and his wife offered to give an educational meeting about Ebola and about their medical mission trip, but they "were put off until our 'quarantine' is over."

He said all the other members of the team that went to Kenya have returned to their jobs with no problems.

Steve James, founder of Kenya Relief, said he's only had one other mission trip participant experience a negative reaction upon returning home.

"We don't have Ebola in Kenya," James said. He said it's unfortunate when people making decisions "haven't paid attention to the facts."

Last week, Paul Sherman sent a letter to Archbishop Joseph Kurtz, complaining that "unfounded fears" of some parents and parish staff "are triumphing over truth and reason." He said he and his wife offered to give an educational meeting about Ebola and about their medical mission trip, but they "were put off until our 'quarantine' is over."

He said all the other members of the team that went to Kenya have returned to their jobs with no problems.

Steve James, founder of Kenya Relief, said he's only had one other mission trip participant experience a negative reaction upon returning home.

"We don't have Ebola in Kenya," James said. He said it's unfortunate when people making decisions "haven't paid attention to the facts."

Examples of heightened fears about Ebola have been seen across the United States.

In October, a Dallas Certified Nursing Assistant claimed her employer sent her home because her daughter had visited from Kenya. A bridal shop in Akron, Ohio, closed temporarily after it learned that a nurse who was later diagnosed with Ebola had shopped there. On Tuesday, Bishop Salvatore Matano of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Rochester, N.Y., told priests there that travel to West Africa was banned indefinitely.

Ben Jackey, a spokesman for Jefferson County Public Schools, said the school district is "discussing prevention and response based on advice from the CDC and the local health department." He said if a concern came up, the district would work with the health department to address any issues.

Jackey said that prevention methods are "largely the same as those for any other virus," and said "the key will be educating our community."

Susan Sherman has worked as a teacher for the Archdiocese of Louisville for a number of years. According to archdiocese records, she worked as

a teacher from 1998 to 2004, and then on and off as a teacher and a substitute teacher in subsequent years. She had joined the school teaching staff at St. Margaret Mary this school year.

Paul Sherman said Monday that he and his wife are already scheduled to go back to Kenya next year.
 
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Ebola Uncertanties

Weird. These scientists should read this thread. People in here seem to have all of these questions answered.
Good science is clearly defined as not questioning government proclamations. There is a lot which the government says that makes no sense. Like why is being 3 feet away from someone considered safe, when you can spit further than that? Lots of stupid in the government's hard facts.
By government you mean the CDC?
 
Ebola Uncertanties

Weird. These scientists should read this thread. People in here seem to have all of these questions answered.
I saw that article earlier. I really think a lot of what was quoted there was spitballing. Since it was a medical conference, the reporter felt free to run with some speculative comments.

To me, it's incumbent on any scientst who says "It spreads easier than everyone thinks!" to prove their proposed mechanism. And then explain why Ebola doesn't spread through casual contact in the hot zones.

One thing one of the scientists in the article said does make sense, though -- overuse of bleach for skin sanitation can lead to irritation and breaks in the skin. You don't want broken skin on your hands if you're around Ebola.

 
Ebola Uncertanties

Weird. These scientists should read this thread. People in here seem to have all of these questions answered.
I saw that article earlier. I really think a lot of what was quoted there was spitballing. Since it was a medical conference, the reporter felt free to run with some speculative comments.

To me, it's incumbent on any scientst who says "It spreads easier than everyone thinks!" to prove their proposed mechanism. And then explain why Ebola doesn't spread through casual contact in the hot zones.

One thing one of the scientists in the article said does make sense, though -- overuse of bleach for skin sanitation can lead to irritation and breaks in the skin. You don't want broken skin on your hands if you're around Ebola.
Didn't need to read the article to believe this is all possible....

 
Ebola Uncertanties

Weird. These scientists should read this thread. People in here seem to have all of these questions answered.
Good science is clearly defined as not questioning government proclamations. There is a lot which the government says that makes no sense. Like why is being 3 feet away from someone considered safe, when you can spit further than that? Lots of stupid in the government's hard facts.
By government you mean the CDC?
CDC has made several mistakes and makes a lot of definitive statements on their website which really are not definitive. It is good to calm fears and instill confidence in what is known, but I am skeptical of a lot of the statements for many of the reasons the scientists in the article articulate.

 
Ebola Uncertanties

Weird. These scientists should read this thread. People in here seem to have all of these questions answered.
Good science is clearly defined as not questioning government proclamations. There is a lot which the government says that makes no sense. Like why is being 3 feet away from someone considered safe, when you can spit further than that? Lots of stupid in the government's hard facts.
By government you mean the CDC?
CDC has made several mistakes and makes a lot of definitive statements on their website which really are not definitive. It is good to calm fears and instill confidence in what is known, but I am skeptical of a lot of the statements for many of the reasons the scientists in the article articulate.
:lmao: I think it's funny that you think scientists know more about Ebola than the people in the FFA.

 
By mid October, there were about 10,000 known cases of Ebola. It has been doubling every three weeks. So by early November there will be 20,000 cases. End of November, 40 000 cases. Mid December, 80,000 cases. Early/Mid Jamuary 160,000 cases. WHO estimates the known cases only represents less than half of the actual numbers, so you can double all those numbers I just gave. But it is ok, no Americans are dying. But liberals find it funny since it is just a bunch of Africans.
Update?

 
By mid October, there were about 10,000 known cases of Ebola. It has been doubling every three weeks. So by early November there will be 20,000 cases. End of November, 40 000 cases. Mid December, 80,000 cases. Early/Mid Jamuary 160,000 cases. WHO estimates the known cases only represents less than half of the actual numbers, so you can double all those numbers I just gave. But it is ok, no Americans are dying. But liberals find it funny since it is just a bunch of Africans.
Update?
Exponentially wrong?

 
By mid October, there were about 10,000 known cases of Ebola. It has been doubling every three weeks. So by early November there will be 20,000 cases. End of November, 40 000 cases. Mid December, 80,000 cases. Early/Mid Jamuary 160,000 cases. WHO estimates the known cases only represents less than half of the actual numbers, so you can double all those numbers I just gave. But it is ok, no Americans are dying. But liberals find it funny since it is just a bunch of Africans.
Update?
At the end of October there were 13,450 cases according to WHO. Most of the effort has concentrated in Liberia and that is paying off as rate of growth in the cases there seem to have slowed in recent weeks. However, in Sierra Leone the rate of growth has been accellerating. So 20,000 in mid-November will not be that far off. I am not sure what is funny about it.

ETA: And I really hope those numbers end up being wrong, but it will be because action is being taken. Those numbers were projections based on the growth that had been seen for many months, prior to the ramp up of global support.

 
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3C said:
the moops said:
Can never be too safe. Best to put a fence around the whole continent.
Actually, they kind of are putting up a fense around the infected countries and not allowing travel to other places and isolating communities. Part of the reason they are having success.
Link to where an actual fence is being put up.
Not literal. Communities are being quarintined.

 
Ebola deaths could skyrocket, Yale researchers say
By Amanda Mei
Contributing Reporter
Friday, October 31, 2014
An apparent decrease in newly reported Ebola cases in Liberia — according to data released from the World Health Organization — seems more promising than it actually is, according to scientists at the Yale Schools of Public Health and Medicine and the Liberian Ministry of Health and Social Welfare.

The researchers, who published a mathematical model of Ebola transmission in The Lancet Infectious Diseases journal on Oct. 24, projected the number of Ebola cases in Liberia’s Montserrado County — the epicenter of the epidemic and home of capital city Monrovia — will skyrocket if the disease continues on its present course. There could be as many as 170,000 cases and 90,000 deaths by Dec. 15 unless further measures, such as beds for patients and protective kits for their families, are taken to control the disease, the model shows. These predictions appear to contradict data released Wednesday by the WHO, which reported that the rate of increase in cases has slowed, with fewer deaths reported in the last few days.

“The pace at which new cases were being reported has appeared to slow down,” said lead author Joseph Lewnard GRD ’19. “But since our research and as of Monday, there were new reports placing the number of cases in line with … the exponential growth our model suggested.”

According to Lewnard, the WHO numbers and the study’s predictions are not necessarily contradictory. Though the rate of growth is slowing down, it will likely pick back up again, he said.

Lewnard and his team created the model of Ebola transmission in Montserrado County using data of reported cases and deaths from the Ministry of Health in Liberia. The team accounted for the complex patterns of Ebola transmission between living and deceased patients, as well as the effect of current interventions.

They also controlled for irregularities and inaccuracies in reported numbers, which reflect the difficulty of identifying Ebola cases in a timely manner.

According to the model, up to 53,000 deaths could be averted by Dec. 15 if the international community deploys more beds for Ebola patients and protective kits for patients’ families in Montserrado County by Nov. 15. An increase in contact tracing of Ebola patients is also needed to save lives in the densely populated region.
 
Sinn Fein said:
Sinn Fein said:
By mid October, there were about 10,000 known cases of Ebola. It has been doubling every three weeks. So by early November there will be 20,000 cases. End of November, 40 000 cases. Mid December, 80,000 cases. Early/Mid Jamuary 160,000 cases. WHO estimates the known cases only represents less than half of the actual numbers, so you can double all those numbers I just gave. But it is ok, no Americans are dying. But liberals find it funny since it is just a bunch of Africans.
Update?
Exponentially wrong?
Only variably wrong.

 
3C said:
the moops said:
Can never be too safe. Best to put a fence around the whole continent.
Actually, they kind of are putting up a fense around the infected countries and not allowing travel to other places and isolating communities. Part of the reason they are having success.
Link to where an actual fence is being put up.
Not literal. Communities are being quarintined.
No time for jokes here. I mean literal.

 
there is a hilarious ad running here in Minnesota about ebola. "Governor Mark Dayton did not close the airport to flights from infected countries. His health-care website has problems. If ebola comes to Minnesota can you really trust mark Dayton to stop it?"

 
“The pace at which new cases were being reported has appeared to slow down,” said lead author Joseph Lewnard GRD ’19. “But since our research and as of Monday, there were new reports placing the number of cases in line with … :oldunsure: the exponential growth our model suggested.”
How I read it.

 
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there is a hilarious ad running here in Minnesota about ebola. "Governor Mark Dayton did not close the airport to flights from infected countries. His health-care website has problems. If ebola comes to Minnesota can you really trust mark Dayton to stop it?"
yikes.

well... can you?

 
Not the right place for this but how long does a flu shot last for? I mean lets say they have some strain in there and it pops up like 3 years later, we still good?

 

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