Eddie Royal a HUGE sleeper for Wk 6 (1 Viewer)

[benm3218]

So, Orton is on fire and will continue to pass a lot. If Revis ( ) on Lloyd, and Cromartie is on Demarius, and Royal is in the slot....

Seems to me that Orton excels at hitting the open man and Royal is the guy who will be underneath and open all game?

He isn't ranked high and isn't on the sleeper list, but I would think he could have another huge game.

Do I have the coverage wrong or am I missing something huge? Thoughts?

 

[munygon2]

I hope so, I've been hearing that he could have a good week. He's really valuable in return ydg leagues since they are making him the punt and kick returner this week, so he could be making plays all over the field.

 

[Rovers]

My thoughts are that you are confused. The Jets are at Denver this week.

With Revis likely out, Cromartie probably draws Lloyd, and now two factors point towards Royal as a good play. The Jets pass D has been very vulnerable to the underneath routes, and secondly, the Jets will likely blitz often, forcing Orton to throw to those under routes as the time to throw isn't likely to be there for the deep routes very often.

 

[Ladsud]

So, Orton is on fire and will continue to pass a lot. If Nnamdi is on Lloyd, and Cromartie is on Demarius,

Thomas now starts over Gaffney?

 

[benm3218]

My thoughts are that you are confused. The Jets are at Denver this week.With Revis likely out, Cromartie probably draws Lloyd, and now two factors point towards Royal as a good play. The Jets pass D has been very vulnerable to the underneath routes, and secondly, the Jets will likely blitz often, forcing Orton to throw to those under routes as the time to throw isn't likely to be there for the deep routes very often.

Thank you. lol I was thinking top NFL corner and in my head its always a tossup between the 2 guys. I inserted wrong one. But, I feel like you do that Royal could feast on 8 - 10 passes this game.

 

[benm3218]

So, Orton is on fire and will continue to pass a lot. If Nnamdi is on Lloyd, and Cromartie is on Demarius,

Thomas now starts over Gaffney?

Seems like I have been reading that Demarius would get more work this week. Either way it is the same. My point is just that Royal should be open A LOT underneath.

 

[DLR]

So, Orton is on fire and will continue to pass a lot. If Nnamdi is on Lloyd, and Cromartie is on Demarius,

Thomas now starts over Gaffney?

He doesn't. On top of that I don't even think Thomas has practiced since he got laid out last week.

 

[benm3218]

Denver Broncos WR Demaryius Thomas (concussion) did not participate in practice Thursday, Oct. 14.

Our view: Thomas was rocked last week against the Ravens on a kick return and could miss this week's game against the Jets because of it.

You are right. Just insert Gaffney in that sentence.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

So, Orton is on fire and will continue to pass a lot. If Revis ( ) on Lloyd, and Cromartie is on Demarius, and Royal is in the slot....Seems to me that Orton excels at hitting the open man and Royal is the guy who will be underneath and open all game?He isn't ranked high and isn't on the sleeper list, but I would think he could have another huge game.Do I have the coverage wrong or am I missing something huge? Thoughts?

This was my theory vs Baltimore. I started Royal thinking he would get the short yardage move the chains passes; that was incorrect.Maybe being at home makes a difference, not sure.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

jets and balt aren't very similar situations.

 

[DLR]

A friend in my league asked me the exact same thing yesterday, or almost exact same thing. He actually has Lloyd and Royal and asked if he should start Royal instead based on the same thought process of the OP.

I told him that I could see his thought process in theory but benching Lloyd for Royal would be ballsy.

If you don't have better options I could see starting Royal, but probably only there.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

jets and balt aren't very similar situations.

Ok, thanks, I was obviously wrong on the Baltimore start.This is PPR for me by the way. The Jets are allowing something like 3rd most points to WR's; BAL 3rd least. My theory had to do with the DEN running game being stuck no reliable goal line back, so Royal would get those chances. But maybe Bal;timore covers the underneath routes better and bring more pressure than the Jets.Royal's targets have gone, 10, 5, 9, 8, 5. He last led in targets week 1. + He just picked up extra return duties?What's the theory here; Royal gets the numbers Harvin did last week in a similar role?

 

[basher]

Why would Cromartie ever consistently cover D.Thomas? Revis is still hobbled, I would think Royal/Gaffney would draw him.

 

[benm3218]

jets and balt aren't very similar situations.

Ok, thanks, I was obviously wrong on the Baltimore start.This is PPR for me by the way. The Jets are allowing something like 3rd most points to WR's; BAL 3rd least. My theory had to do with the DEN running game being stuck no reliable goal line back, so Royal would get those chances. But maybe Bal;timore covers the underneath routes better and bring more pressure than the Jets.Royal's targets have gone, 10, 5, 9, 8, 5. He last led in targets week 1. + He just picked up extra return duties?What's the theory here; Royal gets the numbers Harvin did last week in a similar role?

I just think if Orton is a leader in passing then the passes will go to someone and the corners covering the other 2 receivers are very good. So it seems to me that Royal is set up for a big day, because one thing Orton does very well is find the open man and that man is going to be Royal.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

jets and balt aren't very similar situations.

Ok, thanks, I was obviously wrong on the Baltimore start.This is PPR for me by the way. The Jets are allowing something like 3rd most points to WR's; BAL 3rd least. My theory had to do with the DEN running game being stuck no reliable goal line back, so Royal would get those chances. But maybe Bal;timore covers the underneath routes better and bring more pressure than the Jets.Royal's targets have gone, 10, 5, 9, 8, 5. He last led in targets week 1. + He just picked up extra return duties?What's the theory here; Royal gets the numbers Harvin did last week in a similar role?

I just think if Orton is a leader in passing then the passes will go to someone and the corners covering the other 2 receivers are very good. So it seems to me that Royal is set up for a big day, because one thing Orton does very well is find the open man and that man is going to be Royal.

Ok, thanks for the tip, considering it.

 

[tombonneau]

I hope so, I've been hearing that he could have a good week. He's really valuable in return ydg leagues since they are making him the punt and kick returner this week, so he could be making plays all over the field.

Would you mind posting a source on this? If true, that is huge as it easily vaults Royal into legit WR2 role in return yardage leagues.

 

[benm3218]

The Denver Broncos may use WR Eddie Royal as their primary kick and punt returner in Week 6, according to The Denver Post's Mike Klis. The Broncos took him out of the returner because they wanted him to be fresher in the offense.

Our view: The Broncos don't have a choice here. Rookie CB Perrish Cox has been careless with the football on returns, while rookie WR Demaryius Thomas was injured last week against the Ravens on a return.

 

[munygon2]

The source does say "may" use him which is the same thing I read (posted above), so I guess we'll have to wait and see but there's a good chance he'll be on at least a few returns.

 

[Rovers]

To further my point, look at how the underneath WR's have done against the Jets. Bess, Welker, Harvin.

Welker 6-38-1

Bess 6-86-0

Harvin 5-97-2

In a PPR format, pretty good numbers. I didn't include the Bills because they aren't an NFL team, or the Ravens who don't really have a good underneath reciever like these three.

The only caveat is if Ryan changes things up and plays a lot of dime defernse. He doesn't do that often, but he did play a lot of nickle and dime against the Colts last year. That could happen here, as I doubt the Jets are very worried about the Denver running game.

 

[Bob Henry]

At lunch I was just listening to the Herd and I think it was Sal Pal talking, but here is what he mentioned:

- He would be shocked if Revis isn't shutdown for 2 weeks, not just this week, to get him back to 100%

- The blitz, as we know, is risk/reward, and the Jets have allowed the second most TDs on blitzes this season, only behind the Lions

- The Jets will try to get LT/Greene the ball as much as possible to keep the Broncos offense off the field, keep their defense rested

To me, the key comes down to time of possession. Can the Jets execute their game plan?

Secondly, given their luck with blitzing, do you think Ryan continues to do it, or use a different scheme/approach combined with a run-heavy approach to balance the scales.

FWIW, I like Royal as well. I also like Santonio a lot in this game.

 

[tombonneau]

To further my point, look at how the underneath WR's have done against the Jets. Bess, Welker, Harvin. Welker 6-38-1Bess 6-86-0Harvin 5-97-2In a PPR format, pretty good numbers. I didn't include the Bills because they aren't an NFL team, or the Ravens who don't really have a good underneath reciever like these three. The only caveat is if Ryan changes things up and plays a lot of dime defernse. He doesn't do that often, but he did play a lot of nickle and dime against the Colts last year. That could happen here, as I doubt the Jets are very worried about the Denver running game.

Are Ravens and Jets still running similar defenses? What did Ravens do in their Royal coverage? I would imagine NYJ try something similar, unless they lack the personnel?

 

[Squintz82]

Even though it was ugly, the Ravens beat the Broncos shutting down the slot pretty well last week. Granted they gave up some big plays deep, but the 2 touchdowns by Lloyd were brilliant plays by him. If the Jets try and do something similar, I can see Royal not having a great day. But then again, the Bronco's receivers are a crap-shoot. The Jets can spend all day shadowing one receiver, and either of the other two can break out. With Revis out or hobbled, they are going to have a tough time with the Bronco's offense. Cromartie can't pick up where Revis leaves off when he's healthy, this is why they're 28th against the pass.

 

[Rovers]

To further my point, look at how the underneath WR's have done against the Jets. Bess, Welker, Harvin. Welker 6-38-1Bess 6-86-0Harvin 5-97-2In a PPR format, pretty good numbers. I didn't include the Bills because they aren't an NFL team, or the Ravens who don't really have a good underneath reciever like these three. The only caveat is if Ryan changes things up and plays a lot of dime defernse. He doesn't do that often, but he did play a lot of nickle and dime against the Colts last year. That could happen here, as I doubt the Jets are very worried about the Denver running game.

Are Ravens and Jets still running similar defenses? What did Ravens do in their Royal coverage? I would imagine NYJ try something similar, unless they lack the personnel?

While the base scheme is the same, the game plans are often very different. The Ravens have blitzed less and played more zone with the lack of depth and injuries they have had in their secondary including Ed Reed. I'm not sure how much nickle and dime the Ravens have used, or if they used that more against Denver when they played them. The Jets still like to play a lot of man coverage and like to blitz more often this year. That tends to leave the underneath routes open when they fail to get QB pressures. They may decide to use Revis only in the dime, something we might see more of given the weak rushing offense of the Broncos. I think the Jets will play a lot of nickle and blitz DB's for QB pressures. The Jets tend to go away from nickle and dime when facing teams with a running game. They tend to use the N and D more often against passing teams like IND, NE, and I'm guessing DEN. The rookie Wilson plays in the nickle and he's looked every bit a rookie in that role. He's fast, but still doesn't understand his responsibilities in Ryan's complex coverage schemes. Royal will likely draw coverage from Wilson. Pool is also taking some time to get up to speed as the FS. Those two have made mistakes which resulted in some blown coverages especially on 3rd downs. Some have critisized Ryan's propensity to blitz on 3rd down, but if these two knew the scheme better the Jets poor 3rd down showing on defense would be much better. I still like the Royal matchup, but it can be very difficult to predict what Ryan will do on defense. That isn't by accident, it's done with purpose.

 

[benm3218]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw....192908a43.html

Eddie Royal, WR, Broncos vs. Jets: You know Kyle Orton and Brandon Lloyd are red hot, but Royal is quietly approaching top 10 fantasy receiver status himself. The Jets’ secondary has been struggling (23rd-ranked pass defense), while its run defense remains stingy. Watch Orton and his wideouts soar again, especially with a high probability that Darrelle Revis misses the game with a nagging hamstring.

 

[Rovers]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw....192908a43.html

Eddie Royal, WR, Broncos vs. Jets: You know Kyle Orton and Brandon Lloyd are red hot, but Royal is quietly approaching top 10 fantasy receiver status himself. The Jets’ secondary has been struggling (23rd-ranked pass defense), while its run defense remains stingy. Watch Orton and his wideouts soar again, especially with a high probability that Darrelle Revis misses the game with a nagging hamstring.

Sorry, but this blurb lacks much insight. Sounds like some guy who knows little about the actual matchups and has an opinion based on stats alone. This guy is a writer from Dallas? Did he pick the Cowboys to win the NFC East too?

 

[drfeelgood]

Is there an offensive tackle that might be out tomorrow?

 

[richn]

I just posted Gaffney as my sleeper hunch....Kyle Wilson rookie cb I think no ones mentioning gaffney, could be a good one tomorrow. Denv cant run.

 

[tombonneau]

To further my point, look at how the underneath WR's have done against the Jets. Bess, Welker, Harvin. Welker 6-38-1Bess 6-86-0Harvin 5-97-2In a PPR format, pretty good numbers. I didn't include the Bills because they aren't an NFL team, or the Ravens who don't really have a good underneath reciever like these three. The only caveat is if Ryan changes things up and plays a lot of dime defernse. He doesn't do that often, but he did play a lot of nickle and dime against the Colts last year. That could happen here, as I doubt the Jets are very worried about the Denver running game.

Are Ravens and Jets still running similar defenses? What did Ravens do in their Royal coverage? I would imagine NYJ try something similar, unless they lack the personnel?

While the base scheme is the same, the game plans are often very different. The Ravens have blitzed less and played more zone with the lack of depth and injuries they have had in their secondary including Ed Reed. I'm not sure how much nickle and dime the Ravens have used, or if they used that more against Denver when they played them. The Jets still like to play a lot of man coverage and like to blitz more often this year. That tends to leave the underneath routes open when they fail to get QB pressures. They may decide to use Revis only in the dime, something we might see more of given the weak rushing offense of the Broncos. I think the Jets will play a lot of nickle and blitz DB's for QB pressures. The Jets tend to go away from nickle and dime when facing teams with a running game. They tend to use the N and D more often against passing teams like IND, NE, and I'm guessing DEN. The rookie Wilson plays in the nickle and he's looked every bit a rookie in that role. He's fast, but still doesn't understand his responsibilities in Ryan's complex coverage schemes. Royal will likely draw coverage from Wilson. Pool is also taking some time to get up to speed as the FS. Those two have made mistakes which resulted in some blown coverages especially on 3rd downs. Some have critisized Ryan's propensity to blitz on 3rd down, but if these two knew the scheme better the Jets poor 3rd down showing on defense would be much better. I still like the Royal matchup, but it can be very difficult to predict what Ryan will do on defense. That isn't by accident, it's done with purpose.

Great insight. Thanks. Feel good about rolling out Royal this weekend.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I just posted Gaffney as my sleeper hunch....Kyle Wilson rookie cb I think no ones mentioning gaffney, could be a good one tomorrow. Denv cant run.

i hope ur right as I'm rolling with gaffney this week. But Moreno should be back and that has to help the running game.