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Egyptian history geeks check in: Cosmic rays reveal a hidden corridor in the Great Pyramid of Giza (1 Viewer)

“If Nefertiti was buried as a pharaoh, it could be the biggest archaeological discovery ever”

Have they not found intact pharaoh tombs to date?  Or they're just saying Nef's could be the best one yet?

 
Bobcat10 said:
“If Nefertiti was buried as a pharaoh, it could be the biggest archaeological discovery ever”

Have they not found intact pharaoh tombs to date?  Or they're just saying Nef's could be the best one yet?
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It is because she is a woman that was a king. Not a regent or queen, but a declared man/king. Big deal and there is evidence that there was an effort to scrub her from history.

 
Kinda weird that they think it’s acceptable to take and worse, open the caskets. 
 

Egyptians just found a bunch of cool stuff and wrote all over it. Hit me when they start talking about who came before the Sumerians. 
 

 
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This reminds me of the Oak Island show that finds stuff but never anything of consequence.

13 sealed coffins isn't nothing but they keep hyping this like King Tut's Tomb Part Deaux and it's turning into Al Capone's vault.

 
A 'Mind-Blowing' Find: Egypt's 'Lost Golden City' in Luxor

actual article linked above... snippets from a summary of it:

(NEWSER) – Big news out of Egypt, where a 3,000-year-old lost city has reportedly been found buried under the sand untouched. The "lost golden city of Luxor," as Egyptologist Zahi Hawass dubs it, was uncovered in September and dates to the reign of Tutankhamun's grandfather, Amenhotep III, who ruled from 1386 BC to 1353 BC during a period of peak power and wealth. That's evidenced by mud brick walls up to nine feet high and various buildings where administration work, metal and glass production, and tomb-building would've played out. More on the find:

  • The AP reports on how it was unearthed: In 2020 archaeologists descended on this area on the western bank of the Nile River hoping to find King Tutankhamun's mortuary temple. It was only a matter of weeks before they uncovered the mud bricks formations.
  • Homes still holding utensils that would have been used in everyday living were said to be found. "It's very much a snapshot in time—an Egyptian version of Pompeii," and it's "mind-blowing," Salima Ikram, an archaeologist with the American University in Cairo, tells National Geographic.
  • The team says it's found a cemetery and "expects to uncover untouched tombs filled with treasures," per the Guardian.
  • Experts still have a lot to learn about the royal city. One big mystery: why Amenhotep III's son abandoned it after his father's death. After briefly ruling with his father, Akhenaten renounced the name Amenhotep IV, moved the capital from Thebes (modern-day Luxor) to a new city called Akhetaten, and began a new religion worshipping the sun god Aten alongside his wife Nefertiti.
  • Following his 17-year reign, "Akhenaten's capital, his art, his religion, and even his name was dismissed and systematically wiped from history," per NatGeo. His son, Tutankhamun, and Tutankhamun's successor, King Ay, both appear to have made use of Amenhotep III's city, though it looks to have been finally abandoned during the Muslim conquest of Egypt in the 7th century.
  • Betsy Brian, Professor of Egyptology at Johns Hopkins University, called it the most important archeological discovery since King Tut's tomb was found in 1922. Indeed, Hawass noted that "many foreign missions searched for this city and never found it."
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Nathan R. Jessep said:
A 'Mind-Blowing' Find: Egypt's 'Lost Golden City' in Luxor

actual article linked above... snippets from a summary of it:
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Zahi Hawass Is the biggest POS in Egypt. He runs the place and has prevented archaeologists from conducting research. This is awful news that “he” found this. 
 

ETA - looks like I already said what I wrote below this. I’ve spent A LOT of time researching this stuff and it upsets me greatly. 
 

If you look into Egyptian history further you’ll find that essentially all the pyramids, tombs and ruins were already there - in other words, the dynastic Egyptian’s found it. all the carvings all the writings is all on top of stuff that was already in existence. They just wrote graffiti all over it. 
 

Geologist have already concluded that the pyramids and sphinx suffer from erosion due to rain and it hasn’t rained enough to cause that damage in more than 10,000 years. 
 

it’s likely that the pyramids are roughly 12,500 years old or older. 
 

Zahi Hawass has done everything in his power to stop this research as it disrupts the conventional nonsense that the pyramids are only 2500 years old. 

 
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STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
Zahi Hawass Is the biggest POS in Egypt. He runs the place and has prevented archaeologists from conducting research. This is awful news that “he” found this. 
 

ETA - looks like I already said what I wrote below this. I’ve spent A LOT of time researching this stuff and it upsets me greatly. 
 

If you look into Egyptian history further you’ll find that essentially all the pyramids, tombs and ruins were already there - in other words, the dynastic Egyptian’s found it. all the carvings all the writings is all on top of stuff that was already in existence. They just wrote graffiti all over it. 
 

Geologist have already concluded that the pyramids and sphinx suffer from erosion due to rain and it hasn’t rained enough to cause that damage in more than 10,000 years. 
 

it’s likely that the pyramids are roughly 12,500 years old or older. 
 

Zahi Hawass has done everything in his power to stop this research as it disrupts the conventional nonsense that the pyramids are only 2500 years old. 
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Interesting. I've read a bit about him. Do you have any sources you can link to for further reading along the lines you mentioned?

 
Nathan R. Jessep said:
Interesting. I've read a bit about him. Do you have any sources you can link to for further reading along the lines you mentioned?
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Many. I’m about to sit down to eat so excuse my sloppy links

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphinx_water_erosion_hypothesis

https://www.robertschoch.com/sphinx.html
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1991-10-23-1991296221-story,amp.html

https://youtu.be/zSjnvlDWwrE

https://youtu.be/Qbe1iczLOOE

 
I will preface by saying that I have an archeology degree and follow the profession but my job has nothing to do with archeology.

Archeology is a very new school of study. It hasn’t been around for long, but amazingly it is very centered on ideas from 100 years ago. The study is also very territorial. A scholar gets their hands on a site and everyone ends up groveling to them to get time on site. 
Artifacts for into a catalogue system and they may never again see the light of day. Once an archeologist has convinced a local or national government that their pet theory is in the best interest of that locality or nation, then they get all of the control. Permits are power in archeology. He who holds the permit holds the tangible proof of a specific hypothesis.

 
Cold Dead Hands said:
I will preface by saying that I have an archeology degree and follow the profession but my job has nothing to do with archeology.

Archeology is a very new school of study. It hasn’t been around for long, but amazingly it is very centered on ideas from 100 years ago. The study is also very territorial. A scholar gets their hands on a site and everyone ends up groveling to them to get time on site. 
Artifacts for into a catalogue system and they may never again see the light of day. Once an archeologist has convinced a local or national government that their pet theory is in the best interest of that locality or nation, then they get all of the control. Permits are power in archeology. He who holds the permit holds the tangible proof of a specific hypothesis.
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It’s late but I would love to converse with you. I have an insatiable thirst for knowledge when it comes ancient history. I truly believe we are on the cusp of great and scary discoveries of our past. 

 
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I’d like to also add that these historic sites buried by sand (some purposefully), should be the absolute number one priority for our government to study but they have no interest. 
 

Maybe the already know the answers. :tinfoilhat:

If anyone is interested, look into Aztecs in America (as far north as Ohio and Wisconsin).

 
There is very good evidence that the Aztec civilization simply inherited much of their building and culture from the Toltec. The Toltec may have been a far-reaching trade empire that built its own civilization on the ruins of the Olmecs who are a bit mysterious. 
 

The Olmecs are the ones that created giant rock heads that appear to be wearing helmets. They are really fascinating, but we know very little about them.  

 
Cold Dead Hands said:
There is very good evidence that the Aztec civilization simply inherited much of their building and culture from the Toltec. The Toltec may have been a far-reaching trade empire that built its own civilization on the ruins of the Olmecs who are a bit mysterious. 
 

The Olmecs are the ones that created giant rock heads that appear to be wearing helmets. They are really fascinating, but we know very little about them.  
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I missed the segue to the Americas. 

But I like it. (Eta... :doh: ... It was waaaay upthread a post)

I "concentrated" in archaeology in college (about a class a semester)...have always loved this stuff.

 
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Question here.  I just saw a video of this site.  They're calling it a city.  It looks like a village at best.  Have they not unearthed everything, or does the term city mean something else for this time period?

 
It takes a long time to uncover a ten meter area on these sites. Generally that is a full dig season for a big crew. Take for instance the city of Troy, it has been a site for 140 years and they have only uncovered a fraction of the city. There are a few reasons for that.
First is that early archeology was most interested in shiny ####. Early archeologists threw away pottery shards, debris, and other items that are believed to be vital for archeology today.

Second is that dig seasons are short and digs do not typically happen every year unless a lot of money is directed at that one dig site. Most of a field archeologist’s life is securing funds for the next dig season. There can be years or decades between digs. 

Finally, modern archeological method preaches a 10/90 policy. Uncover, at most, 10 percent of the site in total, leaving 90% of the site preserved in situ. The belief is that no matter how precise our equipment or modern our techniques, some future archeologist will have vastly improved equipment and techniques. This has proven out with innovations in ground penetrating radar and Lidar. 

A long answer to say, no, they haven’t uncovered nearly all of it.

 
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Cold Dead Hands said:
I will preface by saying that I have an archeology degree and follow the profession but my job has nothing to do with archeology.

Archeology is a very new school of study. It hasn’t been around for long, but amazingly it is very centered on ideas from 100 years ago. The study is also very territorial. A scholar gets their hands on a site and everyone ends up groveling to them to get time on site. 
Artifacts for into a catalogue system and they may never again see the light of day. Once an archeologist has convinced a local or national government that their pet theory is in the best interest of that locality or nation, then they get all of the control. Permits are power in archeology. He who holds the permit holds the tangible proof of a specific hypothesis.
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You and your old man ever make it with the same hot blonde Nazi? 

 
Ancient sunken military vessel discovered in Egypt

it appears the headline is incorrect, because the city (per the article) was found in 2001

Divers have discovered rare remains of a military vessel in the ancient sunken city of Thônis-Heracleion -- once Egypt's largest port on the Mediterranean -- and a funerary complex illustrating the presence of Greek merchants, the country said on Monday, July 19.

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The military vessel, discovered by an Egyptian-French mission led by the European Institute for Underwater Archaeology (IEASM), sank when the famed temple of Amun it was mooring next to collapsed in the second century BC.

A preliminary study shows the hull of the 25-meter flat-bottomed ship, with oars and a large sail, was built in the classical tradition and also had features of Ancient Egyptian construction, Egypt's tourism and antiquities ministry said.

In another part of the city, the mission revealed the remains of a large Greek funerary area dating back to the first years of the 4th century BC, it said.
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Anybody in here know how I would ascertain value of an Egyptian relic gifted to me that does not have any sort of provenance or proof of authenticity?  It's a miniature sarcophagus that I think held incense?  Supposed to be something special, but I have no idea what to do with it.

 
General Malaise said:
Anybody in here know how I would ascertain value of an Egyptian relic gifted to me that does not have any sort of provenance or proof of authenticity?  It's a miniature sarcophagus that I think held incense?  Supposed to be something special, but I have no idea what to do with it.
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Have you tried contacting Rick at Gold & Silver Pawn?  I'm sure he knows a guy.

 
General Malaise said:
Anybody in here know how I would ascertain value of an Egyptian relic gifted to me that does not have any sort of provenance or proof of authenticity?  It's a miniature sarcophagus that I think held incense?  Supposed to be something special, but I have no idea what to do with it.
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how you gonna tease something like this in the Egypt thread and NOT POST PICS!? :wall:  

 
General Malaise said:
Anybody in here know how I would ascertain value of an Egyptian relic gifted to me that does not have any sort of provenance or proof of authenticity?  It's a miniature sarcophagus that I think held incense?  Supposed to be something special, but I have no idea what to do with it.
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You need to contact the Egyptian embassy and tell them you probably have an artifact that was illegally grave robbed.

 
Government Scientists to Scan Great Pyramid With Cosmic Rays to Find Secrets

Now, scientists involved with the Exploring the Great Pyramid (EGP) Mission plan to use particles forged in outer space collisions, known as cosmic ray muons, to peer inside this monument and resolve its inner structure with unprecedented detail, potentially even detecting artifacts in its secret rooms. 

The mission follows in the footsteps of the ScanPyramids project, another muon-based study that recently discovered large voids inside the Great Pyramid, marking the first time that a major feature of the monument had been revealed in over a century. However, the EGP’s next-generation muon telescope would deliver “upwards of 100 times the sensitivity” of the ScanPyramids project  and “will, for the first time, produce a true tomographic image of such a large structure,” according to a study that was recently published in the Journal of Advanced Instrumentation in Science. 

:popcorn:  

 
Nathan R. Jessep said:
how you gonna tease something like this in the Egypt thread and NOT POST PICS!? :wall:  
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Sorry, I kind of forgot about this.  Alright, here is the Egyptian artifact - I think it's called a  Snuffleupagus or something.  

It's like a snake looking thing here.

Side view:  It has a chamber to the inside and I think it held incense or something?  I don't really mess with it.


Story goes like this:  My great grandfather on my mom's side was a doctor in New York.  According to family lore, the museum of natural history in NYC was having money problems during the depression.  Dr. GMs Great Grandfather bought this relic from the museum and yada yada yada it's mine now.  I have 5 kids, none of them seem to have any interest in this.  My mom's conniving and very cheap sister has made a few offers for this thing because her son is an archaeologist and he wants it.  But I don't like them very much and if I could get a few bucks for this thing while I'm still alive from somebody OTHER than them, I'd take it out of spite.  This woman wasn't very nice to my mom so nothing would thrill me more than to be able to tell them I sold this for beer money.

My boss thinks without any sort of stamp or paperwork showing provenance or authenticity, I might as well be trying to sell a phony artifact that came from a factory in China.  

Oh wise FFA, I ask of you - what do I do with this? 
 

 
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General Malaise said:
Sorry, I kind of forgot about this.  Alright, here is the Egyptian artifact - I think it's called a  Snuffleupagus or something.  

It's like a snake looking thing here.

Side view:  It has a chamber to the inside and I think it held incense or something?  I don't really mess with it.


Story goes like this:  My great grandfather on my mom's side was a doctor in New York.  According to family lore, the museum of natural history in NYC was having money problems during the depression.  Dr. GMs Great Grandfather bought this relic from the museum and yada yada yada it's mine now.  I have 5 kids, none of them seem to have any interest in this.  My mom's conniving and very cheap sister has made a few offers for this thing because her son is an archaeologist and he wants it.  But I don't like them very much and if I could get a few bucks for this thing while I'm still alive from somebody OTHER than them, I'd take it out of spite.  This woman wasn't very nice to my mom so nothing would thrill me more than to be able to tell them I sold this for beer money.

My boss thinks without any sort of stamp or paperwork showing provenance or authenticity, I might as well be trying to sell a phony artifact that came from a factory in China.  

Oh wise FFA, I ask of you - what do I do with this? 
 
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That's kind of awesome. Can you make out any of the markings on the base? Anything on the bottom side?

 
General Malaise said:
Sorry, I kind of forgot about this.  Alright, here is the Egyptian artifact - I think it's called a  Snuffleupagus or something.  

It's like a snake looking thing here.

Side view:  It has a chamber to the inside and I think it held incense or something?  I don't really mess with it.


Story goes like this:  My great grandfather on my mom's side was a doctor in New York.  According to family lore, the museum of natural history in NYC was having money problems during the depression.  Dr. GMs Great Grandfather bought this relic from the museum and yada yada yada it's mine now.  I have 5 kids, none of them seem to have any interest in this.  My mom's conniving and very cheap sister has made a few offers for this thing because her son is an archaeologist and he wants it.  But I don't like them very much and if I could get a few bucks for this thing while I'm still alive from somebody OTHER than them, I'd take it out of spite.  This woman wasn't very nice to my mom so nothing would thrill me more than to be able to tell them I sold this for beer money.

My boss thinks without any sort of stamp or paperwork showing provenance or authenticity, I might as well be trying to sell a phony artifact that came from a factory in China.  

Oh wise FFA, I ask of you - what do I do with this? 
 
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Pretty sure that’s the key to opening the secret rooms where all the space ship are, in the pyramids 

 
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General Malaise said:
Sorry, I kind of forgot about this.  Alright, here is the Egyptian artifact - I think it's called a  Snuffleupagus or something.  

It's like a snake looking thing here.

Side view:  It has a chamber to the inside and I think it held incense or something?  I don't really mess with it.


Story goes like this:  My great grandfather on my mom's side was a doctor in New York.  According to family lore, the museum of natural history in NYC was having money problems during the depression.  Dr. GMs Great Grandfather bought this relic from the museum and yada yada yada it's mine now.  I have 5 kids, none of them seem to have any interest in this.  My mom's conniving and very cheap sister has made a few offers for this thing because her son is an archaeologist and he wants it.  But I don't like them very much and if I could get a few bucks for this thing while I'm still alive from somebody OTHER than them, I'd take it out of spite.  This woman wasn't very nice to my mom so nothing would thrill me more than to be able to tell them I sold this for beer money.

My boss thinks without any sort of stamp or paperwork showing provenance or authenticity, I might as well be trying to sell a phony artifact that came from a factory in China.  

Oh wise FFA, I ask of you - what do I do with this? 
 
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If you don't turn that into a bong you're doing life wrong.

 
General Malaise said:
Sorry, I kind of forgot about this.  Alright, here is the Egyptian artifact - I think it's called a  Snuffleupagus or something.  

It's like a snake looking thing here.

Side view:  It has a chamber to the inside and I think it held incense or something?  I don't really mess with it.


Story goes like this:  My great grandfather on my mom's side was a doctor in New York.  According to family lore, the museum of natural history in NYC was having money problems during the depression.  Dr. GMs Great Grandfather bought this relic from the museum and yada yada yada it's mine now.  I have 5 kids, none of them seem to have any interest in this.  My mom's conniving and very cheap sister has made a few offers for this thing because her son is an archaeologist and he wants it.  But I don't like them very much and if I could get a few bucks for this thing while I'm still alive from somebody OTHER than them, I'd take it out of spite.  This woman wasn't very nice to my mom so nothing would thrill me more than to be able to tell them I sold this for beer money.

My boss thinks without any sort of stamp or paperwork showing provenance or authenticity, I might as well be trying to sell a phony artifact that came from a factory in China.  

Oh wise FFA, I ask of you - what do I do with this? 
 
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antiques roadshow, IMO.

or google any place that specializes in Egyptology and ask them (including museums or galleries)

 
General Malaise said:
Sorry, I kind of forgot about this.  Alright, here is the Egyptian artifact - I think it's called a  Snuffleupagus or something.  

It's like a snake looking thing here.

Side view:  It has a chamber to the inside and I think it held incense or something?  I don't really mess with it.


Story goes like this:  My great grandfather on my mom's side was a doctor in New York.  According to family lore, the museum of natural history in NYC was having money problems during the depression.  Dr. GMs Great Grandfather bought this relic from the museum and yada yada yada it's mine now.  I have 5 kids, none of them seem to have any interest in this.  My mom's conniving and very cheap sister has made a few offers for this thing because her son is an archaeologist and he wants it.  But I don't like them very much and if I could get a few bucks for this thing while I'm still alive from somebody OTHER than them, I'd take it out of spite.  This woman wasn't very nice to my mom so nothing would thrill me more than to be able to tell them I sold this for beer money.

My boss thinks without any sort of stamp or paperwork showing provenance or authenticity, I might as well be trying to sell a phony artifact that came from a factory in China.  

Oh wise FFA, I ask of you - what do I do with this? 
 
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That is incredible.  Thank you for sharing. 

 
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