Eight Straight Seasons To Start His Career (1 Viewer)

[Bob Sacamano]

.300+

30+

100+

 

[Ghost Rider]

Yep, he is just ridiculously good, and he should be a month away from securing his second MVP award (although it should probably be his 3rd or 4th).

 

[MrPhoenix]

And he's doing this all on a bum elbow that he's considering sitting out 2009 for to repair.

If that happens, can you say "rebuilding year"?

 

[Koya]

Best offensive baseball player of our generation.

 

[Oh Yes!]

Best offensive baseball player of our generation.

do bonds or Arod count in our generation?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Best offensive baseball player of our generation.

do bonds or Arod count in our generation?

If so, it will be close when everything is said and done (assuming A-Rod and Pujols continue at their current rates), but Pujols definitely has them beat when it comes to postseason numbers. Pujols' average in the playoffs is around .325, while Bonds' is .247 and A-Rod's is .279 (I think). Either way, Pujols is on pace to be one of the best offensive players in MLB history.

 

[Please See Mine]

Best offensive baseball player of our generation.

do bonds or Arod count in our generation?

Pujols has a higher average, OBP, SLG and OPS than A-Rod, plus A-Rod strikes out once every 5.54 PA's to Pujols's 10.59.As for Bonds, there is of course the steroid issue, but he was probably a more feared hitter than Pujols. Does that mean that he was actually better? It's very close.

 

[Wrigley]

I hate him

kidding, kind of.

 

[Koya]

Best offensive baseball player of our generation.

do bonds or Arod count in our generation?

Bonds was an outright cheater... his pre 'roid days were very very good.But not Pujols good.And yes, I include A Rod. A Rod is the best power hitter, but not the best offensive player imo.

 

[Koya]

Best offensive baseball player of our generation.

do bonds or Arod count in our generation?

Pujols has a higher average, OBP, SLG and OPS than A-Rod, plus A-Rod strikes out once every 5.54 PA's to Pujols's 10.59.As for Bonds, there is of course the steroid issue, but he was probably a more feared hitter than Pujols. Does that mean that he was actually better? It's very close.

Bonds ON roids? It's not very close. The ONLY person close to Bonds on Roids was Ruth - maybe some peak years of mantle. maybe.

 

[David Yudkin]

Best offensive baseball player of our generation.

do bonds or Arod count in our generation?

Pujols has a higher average, OBP, SLG and OPS than A-Rod, plus A-Rod strikes out once every 5.54 PA's to Pujols's 10.59.As for Bonds, there is of course the steroid issue, but he was probably a more feared hitter than Pujols. Does that mean that he was actually better? It's very close.

Bonds ON roids? It's not very close. The ONLY person close to Bonds on Roids was Ruth - maybe some peak years of mantle. maybe.

Single Season OPS LeadersBonds has 4 of the Top 8 seasons.

Ruth has 7 of the Top 15 seasons.

Mantle's best year ranks 28th.

Mantle was a great player, no doubt, but his OPS numbers suffered playing in the 50s and 60s.

If we use Adjusted OPS+, Mantle's best year would be 14th on the list. Bonds holds the top 3 spots.

 

[Wrigley]

How can we assume Poo Poo isn't on Performance enhancers too?

 

[Nigel Incubator-Jones]

How can we assume Poo Poo isn't on Performance enhancers too?

We can't.

 

[Koya]

Best offensive baseball player of our generation.

do bonds or Arod count in our generation?

Pujols has a higher average, OBP, SLG and OPS than A-Rod, plus A-Rod strikes out once every 5.54 PA's to Pujols's 10.59.As for Bonds, there is of course the steroid issue, but he was probably a more feared hitter than Pujols. Does that mean that he was actually better? It's very close.

Bonds ON roids? It's not very close. The ONLY person close to Bonds on Roids was Ruth - maybe some peak years of mantle. maybe.

Single Season OPS LeadersBonds has 4 of the Top 8 seasons.

Ruth has 7 of the Top 15 seasons.

Mantle's best year ranks 28th.

Mantle was a great player, no doubt, but his OPS numbers suffered playing in the 50s and 60s.

If we use Adjusted OPS+, Mantle's best year would be 14th on the list. Bonds holds the top 3 spots.

As I stated, I am dismissing Bonds obvious roids years. Mantle led the league in OPS 6 times and OPS+ (the best indicator imo) a whopping 9 times - with two #2s thrown in.

You said his best season is 14th - and that is correct. But the context is important. If you take away Bonds roid seasons and only include his (still HOF) regualr years, then you take away the two players who played before 1890, Mantle has only two names above him on the list (both multiple times) - Ruth and Ted Williams.

Stupid of me btw to not put Ted Williams there as the best offensive player not named Ruth or Roidboy.

As you noted, Mantle gets killed because he played in a pitching DOMINATED era... and even so put up sick numbers.

 

[wilked]

plus A-Rod strikes out once every 5.54 PA's to Pujols's 10.59.

Why is this relevant?An out is an out, regardless of a K or a GB

 

[Tau837]

plus A-Rod strikes out once every 5.54 PA's to Pujols's 10.59.

Why is this relevant?An out is an out, regardless of a K or a GB

Technically that is untrue. An out can move a run over or even score a run (sac fly). The only out worse than a K is hitting into a double (or triple) play.

 

[wilked]

plus A-Rod strikes out once every 5.54 PA's to Pujols's 10.59.

Why is this relevant?An out is an out, regardless of a K or a GB

Technically that is untrue. An out can move a run over or even score a run (sac fly). The only out worse than a K is hitting into a double (or triple) play.

Yes, but not only is it worse, it is *significantly* worse.The biggest thing missing from this analysis is the fact that the NL numbers are easier to attain than the AL numbers. Nobody can argue against the fact that the AL is the tougher league. I am a huge Pujols fan, but ARod is the better player over Pujol's career

 

[Limp Ditka]

plus A-Rod strikes out once every 5.54 PA's to Pujols's 10.59.

Why is this relevant?An out is an out, regardless of a K or a GB

Technically that is untrue. An out can move a run over or even score a run (sac fly). The only out worse than a K is hitting into a double (or triple) play.

Yes, but not only is it worse, it is *significantly* worse.The biggest thing missing from this analysis is the fact that the NL numbers are easier to attain than the AL numbers. Nobody can argue against the fact that the AL is the tougher league. I am a huge Pujols fan, but ARod is the better player over Pujol's career

Hey look, wilked doesn't know what he's talking about..................... again

Regardless of the competition.... more runs = more times the lineup turns over = more times a player gets to the plate to accumulate stats. And without a doubt, the American League scores more runs than the National League does every year. As a matter of fact, only once during Pujols' career (2003) did he play on a team that scored more runs than the team Arod was on. I would think that a team that inherently, as a whole, scores more runs would present it's player(s) with more opportunities to amass stats, wouldn't you?

Plate Appearances:

Pujols vs Arod over the span of Pujols' career

AP - AROD

676 - 732

675 - 725

685 - 715

692 - 698

700 - 715

634 - 674

679 - 708

579 - 545

5320 - 5512

And during those 7+ years, Arod was up with runners on base more often (2749 - 2605) and runners in scoring position more ofter (1646 v 1454).

So what you've told us is that Pujols had an easier time putting up his stats ......

- Despite the 25-30 less plate appearances per year

- Despite batting with runners on less often

- Despite batting with runners in scoring position less often

.....just because he played in the National League.



And of course Pujols doesn't seem to mind facing the "tougher league" as his 162 game averages are on par, or better than, his overall numbers are.

vs AL #s prorated to a 162 game season .350 / 41 / 145

162 game average of overall stats .335 / 42 / 127

And let's not forget my favorite stat when comparing Arod to other greats of this era, championships.

Pujols - 2 NL Championships and 1 World Series Championship

Arod - Perennial loser

I'd take Pujols over A Rod 8 days a week

 

[wilked]

OK, I took the time to look closely at the numbers this morning...and have to admit, you got me.

For Pujols career (8 seasons) I would say Alex was his equivalent (or slightly better) 3 seasons (01, 02, 05), was significantly better one (last year), and was significantly his inferior the others (03, 04, 06, 08)

Pretty amazing numbers...

 

[curta269]

Pujols is amazing. Plus, he plays Gold Glove defense at 1B, and he is a really good and agressive base runner. He is going to have a statue next to Stan the Man when he is done playing.

 

[TitusIII]

Move over Big Hurt...congrats to Albert!