Eli Manning (1 Viewer)

[qimqam]

How many other current starting QBs have won a Superbowl? In Fact how many QBs currently on NFL Rosters have won a Super Bowl?

Brady

Big Ben

Peyton

Breeze

Wow!!! Not bad company !!!!

How many of those 4 have Won the Superbowl in more dramatic fashion, against an undefeated heavily favored dynasty with 33 seconds remaining?

How many Super bowls have these supposedly better QBs combined won?

Rogers

Rivers

Romo

McNabb

Vick

Ryan

Shaub

Cutler

 

[finito]

Good info here.

 

[Avery]

I like Eli but this is just a odd thread with some questionable timing.

 

[Premier]

Why and you were just too much to spell out, huh?

 

[qimqam]

I like Eli but this is just a odd thread with some questionable timing.

It is odd timing ... Someone in the Flacco thread had posted that Flacco was just like Eli in that u would not want him leading your team in a big game with under 2 minutes.The comparison kinda irked me and when I started to think about It I realized just how high Eli should be regarded

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

I like Eli but this is just a odd thread with some questionable timing.

It is odd timing ... Someone in the Flacco thread had posted that Flacco was just like Eli in that u would not want him leading your team in a big game with under 2 minutes.The comparison kinda irked me and when I started to think about It I realized just how high Eli should be regarded

David Patten caught a pass with his head and Assante Samuel dropped a game ending INT in his hands, if Eli can make that happen in every big game then he could be considered

 

[Angus82]

Trent Dilfer, Doug Williams or Eli Manning. They are all interchangeable. Just accept that the Giants got stuck with the weakest Manning.

 

[Wingnut]

Eli is a punk.

 

[Shawnky]

Eli is an average QB. He's not very good. He has a great oline and a really good defense. The fact that he won MVP of that Superbowl is ridiculous. The Dline was MVP of that game plain and simple. I wouldn't want the ball in his hands with the game on the line.

 

[RC94]

Eli is an average QB. He's not very good. He has a great oline and a really good defense. The fact that he won MVP of that Superbowl is ridiculous. The Dline was MVP of that game plain and simple. I wouldn't want the ball in his hands with the game on the line.

The Giants defense held a team that averaged almost 38 points a game that year to only 14 points in the Super Bowl.

 

[redBourne]

How many other current starting QBs have won a Superbowl? In Fact how many QBs currently on NFL Rosters have won a Super Bowl?Brady Big BenPeyton BreezeWow!!! Not bad company !!!!How many of those 4 have Won the Superbowl in more dramatic fashion, against an undefeated heavily favored dynasty with 33 seconds remaining?How many Super bowls have these supposedly better QBs combined won?Rogers Rivers RomoMcNabb VickRyan Shaub Cutler

I don't consider Eli Manning to be a terrible QB. He'll never be Peyton. However, worse QB's have won a ring. Just because he ~has~ won a ring doesn't mean he belongs in a group measuring skill set of those who have (on current rosters). You can manipulate stats anyway you want to, but he wouldn't be in this group unless David Tyree made the most spectacular catch I've seen in some time. Of that list of QB's who don't have a ring, only Cutler has led the league in interceptions and has done so 1 time. This was last year.Eli has done it twice. Big Ben and Peyton have also led the league in INTs once themselves. Stats mean nothing unless placed into proper context.

Eli is a punk.

Care to elaborate? Is it because he threatened to quit football after being drafted by the Baltimore Colts?

Eli is an average QB. He's not very good. He has a great oline and a really good defense. The fact that he won MVP of that Superbowl is ridiculous. The Dline was MVP of that game plain and simple. I wouldn't want the ball in his hands with the game on the line.

The Giants defense held a team that averaged almost 38 points a game that year to only 14 points in the Super Bowl.

I second this.

 

[ShaqAttaq]

how old is the OP? 16?

 

[Steve Tasker]

I like Eli but this is just a odd thread with some questionable timing.

It is odd timing ... Someone in the Flacco thread had posted that Flacco was just like Eli in that u would not want him leading your team in a big game with under 2 minutes.The comparison kinda irked me and when I started to think about It I realized just how high Eli should be regarded

David Patten caught a pass with his head and Assante Samuel dropped a game ending INT in his hands, if Eli can make that happen in every big game then he could be considered

David Tyree, not David Patten...

 

[scrumptrulescent]

This is a dumb thread, but I wouldn't take anything away from Eli. He had to make plays, and did, to get that ring.

 

[qimqam]

I like Eli but this is just a odd thread with some questionable timing.

It is odd timing ... Someone in the Flacco thread had posted that Flacco was just like Eli in that u would not want him leading your team in a big game with under 2 minutes.The comparison kinda irked me and when I started to think about It I realized just how high Eli should be regarded

David Patten caught a pass with his head and Assante Samuel dropped a game ending INT in his hands, if Eli can make that happen in every big game then he could be considered

Sounds like you're right on top of things

 

[Shawnky]

This is a dumb thread, but I wouldn't take anything away from Eli. He had to make plays, and did, to get that ring.

Actually, Tyree had to,make a play to get the ring.

 

[qimqam]

Everybody has reasons why Eli sux but the bottom line is he is 1 of 5 QBs in the NFL right now that has proven he can get a team to the Big Game and win it.

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

I like Eli but this is just a odd thread with some questionable timing.

It is odd timing ... Someone in the Flacco thread had posted that Flacco was just like Eli in that u would not want him leading your team in a big game with under 2 minutes.The comparison kinda irked me and when I started to think about It I realized just how high Eli should be regarded

David Patten caught a pass with his head and Assante Samuel dropped a game ending INT in his hands, if Eli can make that happen in every big game then he could be considered

Sounds like you're right on top of things

my bad i accidentally confused avg wrs named david.further shows how lucky eli wasAt least i did not think eli should be considered among the elite b/c of that win, nice thread

 

[qimqam]

Eli is an average QB. He's not very good. He has a great oline and a really good defense. The fact that he won MVP of that Superbowl is ridiculous. The Dline was MVP of that game plain and simple. I wouldn't want the ball in his hands with the game on the line.

How many QBs have won a Superbowl with a bad oline and bad defense

 

[Shawnky]

Everybody has reasons why Eli sux but the bottom line is he is 1 of 5 QBs in the NFL right now that has proven he can get a team to the Big Game and win it.

Admitting to denial is the first step on the road to recovery. I get it, you're a Giants fan looking for justification for missing the playoffs. It was probably was Eli.......or bad coaching.

 

[netnalp]

Eli's an above average QB. He's going to finish in the range of top 8-16 QB each season. Unlikely to finish above that but also unlikely to finish below that. That makes him above average because an average QB has a good chance of falling below 16th.

Hakeem Nicks could put Eli above 8th. His run after catch, it wouldn't be a surprise if he leads the league in WR TDs in a season during the next 5-7 years.

In hindsight, I'd prefer to have Rivers, but after David Brown and Kerry Collins, I'll take Eli.

 

[Shawnky]

Eli is an average QB. He's not very good. He has a great oline and a really good defense. The fact that he won MVP of that Superbowl is ridiculous. The Dline was MVP of that game plain and simple. I wouldn't want the ball in his hands with the game on the line.

How many QBs have won a Superbowl with a bad oline and bad defense

Of recent memory I'd say the Colts. Defense was atrocious, and their oline was average at best.

 

[Angus82]

Eli's an above average QB. He's going to finish in the range of top 8-16 QB each season. Unlikely to finish above that but also unlikely to finish below that. That makes him above average because an average QB has a good chance of falling below 16th. Hakeem Nicks could put Eli above 8th. His run after catch, it wouldn't be a surprise if he leads the league in WR TDs in a season during the next 5-7 years. In hindsight, I'd prefer to have Rivers, but after David Brown and Kerry Collins, I'll take Eli.

That is just wrong. You are one sick puppy.

 

[netnalp]

Eli's an above average QB. He's going to finish in the range of top 8-16 QB each season. Unlikely to finish above that but also unlikely to finish below that. That makes him above average because an average QB has a good chance of falling below 16th. Hakeem Nicks could put Eli above 8th. His run after catch, it wouldn't be a surprise if he leads the league in WR TDs in a season during the next 5-7 years. In hindsight, I'd prefer to have Rivers, but after David Brown and Kerry Collins, I'll take Eli.

That is just wrong. You are one sick puppy.

Nicks, when healthy could bump Eli up. Nicks played in 13 games, starting 12, and finished the season with 79 catches for 1,052 yards (13.3 yards per catch) and 11 touchdowns in his second season. If he can stay healthy for a full season, 100 catches for 1300 yards and 15 TD is well within reach.Eli's developing into a 3,700-4,200 yd, 28-34TD, 15-20 int QB. I think his ints will drop, that the 25 was an anomaly.

 

[Mister CIA]

Using FBG season final rankings:

2005 - 5th

2006 - 11th

2007 - 14th

2008 - 13th

2009 - 10th

2010 - 10th

Conclusion: There's nothing to discuss.

 

[jameson1]

I responded to the OP in another thread, so pasted here:

This wasn't directed at me, but I'll just throw this out. One of the biggest reasons why that drive was so incredible was the actual fact that Eli Manning was the qb and literally no one thought he could do it. Change that situation, have it be Peyton Manning, and everyone on the planet would have EXPECTED him to make that drive. Look, Jamarcus Russell lead game winning drives, it doesn't make him clutch. In the NFL, when the game is on the line, some guys you EXPECT them to make the plays, others you HOPE to make the plays. Eli falls into the "hope" category. So does Flacco. So does ryan. As i said earlier, IMO only Peyton, Rodgers, Rivers, Brees, Brady, and Big Ben to I actually EXPECT to make the play with the game on the line. Romo, Vick, and to a lesser extent Schaub and Sanchez are kindof fringe between Hope and Expect. (sanchez is pretty bad in non-crunch time, but in the 4th quarter the guy is somehow money). And there is a whole other category of QBs I EXPECT TO FAIL when the game is on the line. Carson Palmer, Chad Henne, any Raiders QB, any Redskins QB, etc

And FYI, your logic would lead you to select Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson instead of Dan Marino, Warren Moon, Dan Fouts, or Jim Kelly. Winning a superbowl doesn't make you great, and not winning a superbowl doesn't make you bad. Of course its a factor, but amongst many things.

 

[jameson1]

How many other current starting QBs have won a Superbowl? In Fact how many QBs currently on NFL Rosters have won a Super Bowl?

Brady

Big Ben

Peyton

Breeze

Wow!!! Not bad company !!!!

How many of those 4 have had defenses that Won the Superbowl in more dramatic fashion, against an undefeated heavily favored dynasty with 33 seconds remaining?

Fix't that for you. To the question is:

Trent Dilfer, 2001

Brad Johnson, 2003

Ben Roethlisberger, 2006 only

While Eli isn't today the game manager he was 3 years ago, how can you ignore that Eli's QB rating in the superbowl season was 73.9 while averaging almost a fumble per game, a rating well below the career averages of such heralded QBs as Tim Couch, David Carr, Aaron Brooks, and Byron Leftwich?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_career_pa..._rating_leaders

Seriously, just read it. Understand that the spread of the west coast offense has boosted QB ratings across the board, but Rodgers, Rivers, Romo, Brady, Big Ben, Brees, and Schaub are all in the top 10 OF ALL TIME, and Eli isn't even top 50. Carson Palmer is even top 15 of all time, think about that. In an era of unprecedented "QB Rating Inflation" where Carson Palmer can be top 15 of all time, Eli Manning can't crack the top 50. He is literally the 2nd lowest of all starters with at least 1500 attempts (ahead of only Alex Smith).

Best part about all this, I will probably try to buy-low on Eli going into next year since he puts up solid FF numbers.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Until proven otherwise, I would take Eli above the Romos, the Cutlers and the Matt Ryans of the world. In fact, I'd take him above all but:

Brady

Brees

Peyton

Rodgers

Meadowlands winds are impossible after Thanksgiving, swirling, 30mph winds. There's a reason "Giant football" has been ground and pound since they started turning it around in the mid 80's. Eli looks all pro, I don't think he's ever been less than 5-2 to open his career and things peter out. This year, can't fault Eli though, at least 8 balls of his own teammates hands for picks and he did perform admirably down the stretch while the world melted around him.

There are two big knocks on him, one is fair, one is not:

1. He's not Peyton

2. He's never won a home playoff game

Eli's fate and legacy, frankly, really changed the night Plaxico shot himself in the butt. That was a special team, coming off a super bowl, on their way to home field and a really excellent chance at winning another bowl. Its been years to get the elements back in place to compete at a high level again. But they are a middle linebacker and maybe a running back away from being back in the discussion for the NFC elite.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

I like Eli but this is just a odd thread with some questionable timing.

It is odd timing ... Someone in the Flacco thread had posted that Flacco was just like Eli in that u would not want him leading your team in a big game with under 2 minutes.The comparison kinda irked me and when I started to think about It I realized just how high Eli should be regarded

David Patten caught a pass with his head and Assante Samuel dropped a game ending INT in his hands, if Eli can make that happen in every big game then he could be considered

David tyree*

 

[chook]

Breeze huh?

I wonder if he'd be better than Cutler in the Windy City?

 

[TS Garp]

The guy is just so erratic -- you never know which Eli you're going to get: from drive to drive he can look like one of the elite qb's in the league or one of the very worst. His decision-making is highly questionable at times. I know his wr's battled injuries this season, but when you consider how much offensive talent he has around him, the fact that he threw 25 int's this year is unacceptable. He's also lost 13 fumbles in the last 2 years. That's giving the ball away far too much.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

This is a dumb thread, but I wouldn't take anything away from Eli. He had to make plays, and did, to get that ring.

Actually, Tyree had to,make a play to get the ring.

Eli did escape a couple of near sacks to even be able to get that ball off and while the Tyree catch certainly had some elements of luck he also did get the ball there. Of course he also drove down for the go ahead TD after Tyree's catch as well.I agree that the Giants D=line (and Tuck in particular) should have been the the MVP of the game, but other QBs have done much less cough: :cough: Peyton Manning) and were named SUper Bowl MVPs as well.

 

[qimqam]

I like Eli but this is just a odd thread with some questionable timing.

It is odd timing ... Someone in the Flacco thread had posted that Flacco was just like Eli in that u would not want him leading your team in a big game with under 2 minutes.The comparison kinda irked me and when I started to think about It I realized just how high Eli should be regarded

David Patten caught a pass with his head and Assante Samuel dropped a game ending INT in his hands, if Eli can make that happen in every big game then he could be considered

Sounds like you're right on top of things

my bad i accidentally confused avg wrs named david.further shows how lucky eli wasAt least i did not think eli should be considered among the elite b/c of that win, nice thread

Oh and by the way Eli has won more Superbowls than Mcnabb, Vick, Kolb, Cunningham, and Jaworski combined.

 

[netnalp]

How many other current starting QBs have won a Superbowl? In Fact how many QBs currently on NFL Rosters have won a Super Bowl?

Brady

Big Ben

Peyton

Breeze

Wow!!! Not bad company !!!!

How many of those 4 have had defenses that Won the Superbowl in more dramatic fashion, against an undefeated heavily favored dynasty with 33 seconds remaining?

Fix't that for you. To the question is:

Trent Dilfer, 2001

Brad Johnson, 2003

Ben Roethlisberger, 2006 only

While Eli isn't today the game manager he was 3 years ago, how can you ignore that Eli's QB rating in the superbowl season was 73.9 while averaging almost a fumble per game, a rating well below the career averages of such heralded QBs as Tim Couch, David Carr, Aaron Brooks, and Byron Leftwich?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_career_pa..._rating_leaders

Seriously, just read it. Understand that the spread of the west coast offense has boosted QB ratings across the board, but Rodgers, Rivers, Romo, Brady, Big Ben, Brees, and Schaub are all in the top 10 OF ALL TIME, and Eli isn't even top 50. Carson Palmer is even top 15 of all time, think about that. In an era of unprecedented "QB Rating Inflation" where Carson Palmer can be top 15 of all time, Eli Manning can't crack the top 50. He is literally the 2nd lowest of all starters with at least 1500 attempts (ahead of only Alex Smith).

Best part about all this, I will probably try to buy-low on Eli going into next year since he puts up solid FF numbers.

I question how much of a correlation career QB Rating has to the most recent season a QB has played. I theorize the significance of past QB ratings reflecting a QB's current ability decreases the further away from the present a rating is taken from. And the drop-off in significance probably isn't the same for each previous year.Since the 73.9 rating during the Super Bowl season, Eli has had season QB ratings of 86.4, 93.1 and 85.3 (ranked 14th, 11th, 17th; 14th is the 3yr avg.). The ratings of the past 2-3 seasons probably better reflect his current ability than a QB rating that includes his pre-Super Bowl seasons ( 77, 75.9, 55.4).

Looks to me he's improved his game, creating a double digit jump in QB rating. Is that a big jump? With how close QB rating are, it appears that Eli's increase an avg. probably in the 13-15 pt range is a big jump.

 

[netnalp]

How many other current starting QBs have won a Superbowl? In Fact how many QBs currently on NFL Rosters have won a Super Bowl?

Brady

Big Ben

Peyton

Breeze

Wow!!! Not bad company !!!!

How many of those 4 have had defenses that Won the Superbowl in more dramatic fashion, against an undefeated heavily favored dynasty with 33 seconds remaining?

Fix't that for you. To the question is:

Trent Dilfer, 2001

Brad Johnson, 2003

Ben Roethlisberger, 2006 only

While Eli isn't today the game manager he was 3 years ago, how can you ignore that Eli's QB rating in the superbowl season was 73.9 while averaging almost a fumble per game, a rating well below the career averages of such heralded QBs as Tim Couch, David Carr, Aaron Brooks, and Byron Leftwich?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_career_pa..._rating_leaders

Seriously, just read it. Understand that the spread of the west coast offense has boosted QB ratings across the board, but Rodgers, Rivers, Romo, Brady, Big Ben, Brees, and Schaub are all in the top 10 OF ALL TIME, and Eli isn't even top 50. Carson Palmer is even top 15 of all time, think about that. In an era of unprecedented "QB Rating Inflation" where Carson Palmer can be top 15 of all time, Eli Manning can't crack the top 50. He is literally the 2nd lowest of all starters with at least 1500 attempts (ahead of only Alex Smith).

Best part about all this, I will probably try to buy-low on Eli going into next year since he puts up solid FF numbers.

I question how much of a correlation career QB Rating has to the most recent season a QB has played. I theorize the significance of past QB ratings reflecting a QB's current ability decreases the further away from the present a rating is. And the drop-off in significance probably isn't the same for each previous year.Since the 73.9 rating during the Super Bowl season, Eli has had season QB ratings of 86.4, 93.1 and 85.3 (ranked 17th, 11th, 14th; 14th is the 3yr avg.). The ratings of the past 2-3 seasons probably better reflect his current ability than a QB rating that includes his pre-Super Bowl seasons ( 77, 75.9, 55.4).

Just eyeballing it, his average increase for the 3years would be about 13-15 points since that 2007 season. With how close QB ratings are, that looks to be a big improvement.

 

[Sarnoff]

Eli is a gambler. He makes a lot of risky plays, sometimes they work out, sometimes they don't. He's like a poker player who goes all in with AJ offsuit all the time. Sometimes he picks off a bluff, sometimes he beats a small pair, and sometimes he gets called by AK and either gets lucky in spite of himself, or he goes home shrugging his shoulders that he didn't get lucky enough.

 

[Mainevent]

Oh and by the way Eli has won more Superbowls than Mcnabb, Vick, Kolb, Cunningham, and Jaworski combined.

He also has more than Marino/Moon/Kelly combined, what is your point?

 

[qimqam]

Oh and by the way Eli has won more Superbowls than Mcnabb, Vick, Kolb, Cunningham, and Jaworski combined.

He also has more than Marino/Moon/Kelly combined, what is your point?

Great example ... Kelly was an absolute disaster in 4 of 4 SuperBowls ... Eli is also better than Moon or Kelly. Marino is better than Eli but we will never know if he could have handled the pressure of a Super Bowl

 

[netnalp]

Oh and by the way Eli has won more Superbowls than Mcnabb, Vick, Kolb, Cunningham, and Jaworski combined.

He also has more than Marino/Moon/Kelly combined, what is your point?

Great example ... Kelly was an absolute disaster in 4 of 4 SuperBowls ... Eli is also better than Moon or Kelly. Marino is better than Eli but we will never know if he could have handled the pressure of a Super Bowl

I'd definitely take Kelly over Eli, even with the K-Gun (for the season, not for his Super Bowls). Moon, I'd have to check and see if my perception that the Run n' Shoot had on his numbers is as big of a factor, it it wasn't I'd probably take him over Eli too. (makes me wonder, with all the recent rules favoring the passing game, how come the Run N' Shoot hasn't made a comeback?)I think the jump in Eli's Qb rating the past 3 years has been because he's getting comfortable passing the ball around more, going through his progression, rather than throwing to one WR like he did with Plax.

 

[beerbarron]

The guy is just so erratic -- you never know which Eli you're going to get: from drive to drive he can look like one of the elite qb's in the league or one of the very worst. His decision-making is highly questionable at times. I know his wr's battled injuries this season, but when you consider how much offensive talent he has around him, the fact that he threw 25 int's this year is unacceptable. He's also lost 13 fumbles in the last 2 years. That's giving the ball away far too much.

During the run the giants had to get to the superbowl it showed what his team can do when ellie doesnt throw interceptions... they were all on the road too.. that was an impressive run...But, any player who is already above the whole NFL system before ever playing a down was a flag for me... Good to see rivers individually outperform him.. to bad rivers didnt have a pimp daddy to determine his nfl future for him.. yeah i know Forrest Gump manning has a ring, rivers doesnt... but rivers hasnt retired yet... either..Giants are a solid team.. when Gump doesnt throw the ints.. they win lots of games... loosing plex was a big loss.. but nicks could make up for a lot of gumps mistakes when he goes into brett favre gunslinger mode.... I dont think Ellie wins another SB....

 

[qimqam]

Oh and by the way Eli has won more Superbowls than Mcnabb, Vick, Kolb, Cunningham, and Jaworski combined.

He also has more than Marino/Moon/Kelly combined, what is your point?

Great example ... Kelly was an absolute disaster in 4 of 4 SuperBowls ... Eli is also better than Moon or Kelly. Marino is better than Eli but we will never know if he could have handled the pressure of a Super Bowl

I'd definitely take Kelly over Eli, even with the K-Gun (for the season, not for his Super Bowls). Moon, I'd have to check and see if my perception that the Run n' Shoot had on his numbers is as big of a factor, it it wasn't I'd probably take him over Eli too. (makes me wonder, with all the recent rules favoring the passing game, how come the Run N' Shoot hasn't made a comeback?)I think the jump in Eli's Qb rating the past 3 years has been because he's getting comfortable passing the ball around more, going through his progression, rather than throwing to one WR like he did with Plax.

Kelly had 2 touchdowns and 7 int in 4 super bowl games all loses his avg rating in those games 56.9 ... The Bills were favored to win over the Giants and he threw for 0 tds and they lost.He may have been a better regular season QB but would you want Eli or Kelly in a Super bowl?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Oh and by the way Eli has won more Superbowls than Mcnabb, Vick, Kolb, Cunningham, and Jaworski combined.

He also has more than Marino/Moon/Kelly combined, what is your point?

Great example ... Kelly was an absolute disaster in 4 of 4 SuperBowls ... Eli is also better than Moon or Kelly. Marino is better than Eli but we will never know if he could have handled the pressure of a Super Bowl

Except for the fact that he was in a Super Bowl.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Eli is an average QB. He's not very good. He has a great oline and a really good defense. The fact that he won MVP of that Superbowl is ridiculous. The Dline was MVP of that game plain and simple. I wouldn't want the ball in his hands with the game on the line.

The Giants defense held a team that averaged almost 38 points a game that year to only 14 points in the Super Bowl.

This. Manning won MVP because the award had to be given to someone. The operative part of that being ONE.QB's get unfair credit and blame. The Giants won.Hence, Eli got the MVP.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

How many other current starting QBs have won a Superbowl? In Fact how many QBs currently on NFL Rosters have won a Super Bowl?

Brady

Big Ben

Peyton

Breeze

Wow!!! Not bad company !!!!

How many of those 4 have had defenses that Won the Superbowl in more dramatic fashion, against an undefeated heavily favored dynasty with 33 seconds remaining?

Fix't that for you. To the question is:

Trent Dilfer, 2001

Brad Johnson, 2003

Ben Roethlisberger, 2006 and 2008

Aaaand fixed for you as well.

 

[qimqam]

How many other current starting QBs have won a Superbowl? In Fact how many QBs currently on NFL Rosters have won a Super Bowl?

Brady

Big Ben

Peyton

Breeze

Wow!!! Not bad company !!!!

How many of those 4 have had defenses that Won the Superbowl in more dramatic fashion, against an undefeated heavily favored dynasty with 33 seconds remaining?

Fix't that for you. To the question is:

Trent Dilfer, 2001

Brad Johnson, 2003

Ben Roethlisberger, 2006 only

To your answerNope ... Neither one of those QBs or Defenses played an undefeated team in the Super bowl , Neither one of them lead a dramatic come from behind victory, Only Johnson/Tampa was underdog

 

[netnalp]

Oh and by the way Eli has won more Superbowls than Mcnabb, Vick, Kolb, Cunningham, and Jaworski combined.

He also has more than Marino/Moon/Kelly combined, what is your point?

Great example ... Kelly was an absolute disaster in 4 of 4 SuperBowls ... Eli is also better than Moon or Kelly. Marino is better than Eli but we will never know if he could have handled the pressure of a Super Bowl

I'd definitely take Kelly over Eli, even with the K-Gun (for the season, not for his Super Bowls). Moon, I'd have to check and see if my perception that the Run n' Shoot had on his numbers is as big of a factor, it it wasn't I'd probably take him over Eli too. (makes me wonder, with all the recent rules favoring the passing game, how come the Run N' Shoot hasn't made a comeback?)I think the jump in Eli's Qb rating the past 3 years has been because he's getting comfortable passing the ball around more, going through his progression, rather than throwing to one WR like he did with Plax.

Kelly had 2 touchdowns and 7 int in 4 super bowl games all loses his avg rating in those games 56.9 ... The Bills were favored to win over the Giants and he threw for 0 tds and they lost.He may have been a better regular season QB but would you want Eli or Kelly in a Super bowl?

I can't really answer that question by taking comparing how each performed in their Super Bowls, Eli wins based on past results. Hypothetically, if I were the coach of a team going to the Super Bowl in Dallas and my two QBs were Jim Kelly in his prime, even with 4 SB losses, and Eli and his 1 SB win, I go with Kelly as my starter. This would change if Eli continues to perform, over the next 4-5 years,as he has the past 3 seasons and gets his interceptions down at least in the 15-20 range.

 

[jameson1]

Eli is also better than Moon or Kelly. Marino is better than Eli but we will never know if he could have handled the pressure of a Super Bowl

Eli over Warren Moon, seriously? The guy made 9 pro bowls (8 straight) and is in the Hall of Fame. He also played 6 season in the CFL and is in the CFL hall of fame. If the guy had been white (and thus provided the opportunity to go to the NFL in 1978), you he probably would have thrown for 70,000 yards. As it stands, even having spent 6 seasons of his prime in Canada, the guy is still #5 on the all-time yardage. No longer going to debate this one with you. You clearly have one of the thicker pair of red and blue glasses on that I have seen.

 

[Polar Dude]

If any decent ballhawking safety/CB had been covering Tyree on that play instead of "Hit 'em Hard" Harrison, or if Samuel had been able to hold on to the ball that Eli threw right at his chest, the book on Eli would be that he choked away a winnable game. I give Eli credit for escaping that pile - that was amazing - but he was pretty awful for most of that game, and that "miracle" throw was a desperate move that worked out for him despite the duck that he threw up there.

To hang your hat on Eli winning that game suggests that you need to work on analyzing football.

 

[jameson1]

Best part about all this, I will probably try to buy-low on Eli going into next year since he puts up solid FF numbers.

I question how much of a correlation career QB Rating has to the most recent season a QB has played. I theorize the significance of past QB ratings reflecting a QB's current ability decreases the further away from the present a rating is taken from. And the drop-off in significance probably isn't the same for each previous year.Since the 73.9 rating during the Super Bowl season, Eli has had season QB ratings of 86.4, 93.1 and 85.3 (ranked 14th, 11th, 17th; 14th is the 3yr avg.). The ratings of the past 2-3 seasons probably better reflect his current ability than a QB rating that includes his pre-Super Bowl seasons ( 77, 75.9, 55.4).Looks to me he's improved his game, creating a double digit jump in QB rating. Is that a big jump? With how close QB rating are, it appears that Eli's increase an avg. probably in the 13-15 pt range is a big jump.

I actually agree with you that Eli has improved his game remarkably over the last few years (interceptions aside). But the OP's contention is that Eli won a superbowl 3 years ago in dramatic fashion, therefore he is a better QB In the clutch TODAY than anyone who hasn't won a superbowl, which is ludicrous. The giants won the superbowl in 2008 in-spite of Eli, not because of him. As for today, You'll note my quote that I think Eli is undervalued going into next year and I will try to make a play for him. If you remove his horrendous interception totals (which I cna partially attribute to the injuries in his receiving corps), he had another solid if unspectacular year, which is exactly what I want out of a mid round QB. As for the guys who keep saying "we beat an undefeated team in the SB on a game winning drive", sure that happened. But the ONLY reason you had the opportunity to do so was because your DEFENSE held the #1 offense in the NFL, one that averaged 36.8 points per game to 14 points. Eli "leading" the giants to a superbowl victory is a fallacy. The defense played so well that aftet sucking for 3 quarters the law of averages kicked in and your offense finally made a few plays. Look, hats off to Giants fans, it was an awesome game, probably the whole country was routing for you against the evil empire that are the Patriots, but lets not confuse "you guys had a great defense" and somehow evovle that into "Eli Manning is better than Warren Moon and Dan Marino."

 

[Avery]

If any decent ballhawking safety/CB had been covering Tyree on that play instead of "Hit 'em Hard" Harrison, or if Samuel had been able to hold on to the ball that Eli threw right at his chest, the book on Eli would be that he choked away a winnable game. I give Eli credit for escaping that pile - that was amazing - but he was pretty awful for most of that game, and that "miracle" throw was a desperate move that worked out for him despite the duck that he threw up there.To hang your hat on Eli winning that game suggests that you need to work on analyzing football.

A lot of "ifs" there.As bad as "if Chris Johnson didn't have that long run, he would have had a bad game."The fact is Eli had a very good playoff run. Historic even.As a QB, I like Eli a lot. He's not top tier but as a real world QB, he is someone the Giants can build their team around.