Eli Manning (1 Viewer)

[qimqam]

If any decent ballhawking safety/CB had been covering Tyree on that play instead of "Hit 'em Hard" Harrison, or if Samuel had been able to hold on to the ball that Eli threw right at his chest, the book on Eli would be that he choked away a winnable game. I give Eli credit for escaping that pile - that was amazing - but he was pretty awful for most of that game, and that "miracle" throw was a desperate move that worked out for him despite the duck that he threw up there.

To hang your hat on Eli winning that game suggests that you need to work on analyzing football.

If ?

If Brady didn't get saved by the tuck rule you might not even know who he is right now.

If Santonio holmes doesn't make an unbelievable catch Arizona wins the Super bowl

If Norwood doesn't go wide right ...

If Eli doesn't escape and make the throw Tyree doesn't make the catch

If Eli doesn't throw a perfect ball to Plaxico the Giants lose and I would have never started this thread

If your uncle had titz he'd be your aunt.

Every single play in every single game has Ifs

 

[jameson1]

If any decent ballhawking safety/CB had been covering Tyree on that play instead of "Hit 'em Hard" Harrison, or if Samuel had been able to hold on to the ball that Eli threw right at his chest, the book on Eli would be that he choked away a winnable game. I give Eli credit for escaping that pile - that was amazing - but he was pretty awful for most of that game, and that "miracle" throw was a desperate move that worked out for him despite the duck that he threw up there.

To hang your hat on Eli winning that game suggests that you need to work on analyzing football.

If ?

If Brady didn't get saved by the tuck rule you might not even know who he is right now.

If Santonio holmes doesn't make an unbelievable catch Arizona wins the Super bowl

If Norwood doesn't go wide right ...

If Eli doesn't escape and make the throw Tyree doesn't make the catch

If Eli doesn't throw a perfect ball to Plaxico the Giants lose and I would have never started this thread

If your uncle had titz he'd be your aunt.

Every single play in every single game has Ifs

In week 16 this year, Player A, an undrafted, unheralded RB was 3rd on the depth chart for a game against the #8 Rushing defense. The team he faced had to win to get into the playoffs (ie bad player and a terrible matchup). In week 16 this year, Player B (a consensus top 10 FF player) was healthy, the starter, and facing the 18th ranked rushing defense in a game his team needed to win to clinch homefield in the playoffs (ie great player and a solid matchup)

You are setting your lineups, who do you start? Obviously Player B

Player A is John Kuhn. In week 16 he scored 3 TDs and put up 21 FF points

Player B is Michael Turner. In week 16 he had 0 TDs, a fumble, and put up 2.8 FF points

So in retrospect, starting Player A would have been a better decision, but in prospect every logical person would start Player B every time.

Point is, crazy $h*t happens. Eli pulled some crazy $h*t, just like John Kuhn pulled some crazy $h*t in week 16. I'm still not betting on it happening consistently. Increase your sample size and you will slowly come to grips with the fact that while Eli has certainly grown into a solid, above average starting NFL QB, he is in no way special or remotely close to elite.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Because Eli Manning at best is a slightly above average starting QB in the NFL.

 

[qimqam]

If any decent ballhawking safety/CB had been covering Tyree on that play instead of "Hit 'em Hard" Harrison, or if Samuel had been able to hold on to the ball that Eli threw right at his chest, the book on Eli would be that he choked away a winnable game. I give Eli credit for escaping that pile - that was amazing - but he was pretty awful for most of that game, and that "miracle" throw was a desperate move that worked out for him despite the duck that he threw up there.

To hang your hat on Eli winning that game suggests that you need to work on analyzing football.

If ?

If Brady didn't get saved by the tuck rule you might not even know who he is right now.

If Santonio holmes doesn't make an unbelievable catch Arizona wins the Super bowl

If Norwood doesn't go wide right ...

If Eli doesn't escape and make the throw Tyree doesn't make the catch

If Eli doesn't throw a perfect ball to Plaxico the Giants lose and I would have never started this thread

If your uncle had titz he'd be your aunt.

Every single play in every single game has Ifs

In week 16 this year, Player A, an undrafted, unheralded RB was 3rd on the depth chart for a game against the #8 Rushing defense. The team he faced had to win to get into the playoffs (ie bad player and a terrible matchup). In week 16 this year, Player B (a consensus top 10 FF player) was healthy, the starter, and facing the 18th ranked rushing defense in a game his team needed to win to clinch homefield in the playoffs (ie great player and a solid matchup)

You are setting your lineups, who do you start? Obviously Player B

Player A is John Kuhn. In week 16 he scored 3 TDs and put up 21 FF points

Player B is Michael Turner. In week 16 he had 0 TDs, a fumble, and put up 2.8 FF points

So in retrospect, starting Player A would have been a better decision, but in prospect every logical person would start Player B every time.

Point is, crazy $h*t happens. Eli pulled some crazy $h*t, just like John Kuhn pulled some crazy $h*t in week 16. I'm still not betting on it happening consistently. Increase your sample size and you will slowly come to grips with the fact that while Eli has certainly grown into a solid, above average starting NFL QB, he is in no way special or remotely close to elite.

Kuhn is a big strong back who was handed the ball 3 times inside the 10 yard line and asked to run as hard as he can and he did.There was nothing crazy about what he did and we are not talking about fantasy football. He didn't call the plays, he didn't audible, he didn't scramble until his receivers could get open, he didn't have the ball in his hands every offensive play, and he didn't do it in the the super bowl under as much pressure as he could possibly have on him.

 

[Polar Dude]

If any decent ballhawking safety/CB had been covering Tyree on that play instead of "Hit 'em Hard" Harrison, or if Samuel had been able to hold on to the ball that Eli threw right at his chest, the book on Eli would be that he choked away a winnable game. I give Eli credit for escaping that pile - that was amazing - but he was pretty awful for most of that game, and that "miracle" throw was a desperate move that worked out for him despite the duck that he threw up there.To hang your hat on Eli winning that game suggests that you need to work on analyzing football.

A lot of "ifs" there.

Not really. It was an if this or an if that. In both cases, the if was more probable than the reality. It shows you just how lucky Eli was. If that's the only thing that Eli and his supporters can build their argument around, it seems a bit flimsy.

 

[Yenrub]

If any decent ballhawking safety/CB had been covering Tyree on that play instead of "Hit 'em Hard" Harrison, or if Samuel had been able to hold on to the ball that Eli threw right at his chest, the book on Eli would be that he choked away a winnable game. I give Eli credit for escaping that pile - that was amazing - but he was pretty awful for most of that game, and that "miracle" throw was a desperate move that worked out for him despite the duck that he threw up there.To hang your hat on Eli winning that game suggests that you need to work on analyzing football.

A lot of "ifs" there.

Not really. It was an if this or an if that. In both cases, the if was more probable than the reality. It shows you just how lucky Eli was. If that's the only thing that Eli and his supporters can build their argument around, it seems a bit flimsy.

I think Eli was pretty impressive during that entire playoff run. I don't think he is great by any stretch of the imagination but he was pretty darn good for that playoff run.2007 Playoff run20 of 27 for 185 yards + 2 TD’s 0 INT’s @ Bucs12 of 18 for 163 yards + 2 TD’s 0 INT’s @ Cowboys21 of 40 for 251 yards + 0 TD’s 0 INT’s @ Packers 19 of 34 for 255 yards + 2 TD’s 1 INT vs. Patriots

 

[Polar Dude]

I think Eli was pretty impressive during that entire playoff run. I don't think he is great by any stretch of the imagination but he was pretty darn good for that playoff run.2007 Playoff run20 of 27 for 185 yards + 2 TD’s 0 INT’s @ Bucs12 of 18 for 163 yards + 2 TD’s 0 INT’s @ Cowboys21 of 40 for 251 yards + 0 TD’s 0 INT’s @ Packers 19 of 34 for 255 yards + 2 TD’s 1 INT vs. Patriots

I don't completely disagree, but the OP's stance was that Eli is superior to all but three other current QBs based on one lucky play of one single game. I doubt any rational person would buy that logic.

 

[qimqam]

If any decent ballhawking safety/CB had been covering Tyree on that play instead of "Hit 'em Hard" Harrison, or if Samuel had been able to hold on to the ball that Eli threw right at his chest, the book on Eli would be that he choked away a winnable game. I give Eli credit for escaping that pile - that was amazing - but he was pretty awful for most of that game, and that "miracle" throw was a desperate move that worked out for him despite the duck that he threw up there.

To hang your hat on Eli winning that game suggests that you need to work on analyzing football.

Go back and take another look at the play. The Ball was about as perfectly located is you can get ...Tyree went up and got 2 hands on the ball and the only reason he needed his helmet to secure it was because Harrison made a great play to knock the ball from his hand.http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...lay-Eli-miracle