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Equal Pay Day - The Hypocrisy of Elizabeth Warren (1 Viewer)

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Women make up roughly half the workforce. But in 2015, female full-time, year-round workers made only 80 cents for every dollar earned by men, a gender wage gap of 20%, according to the non-profit Institute for Women's Policy Research (IWPR).

If change continues at the current pace, IWPR predicts it will take until 2059 for women to reach pay parity — and for women of color, the rate of change is even slower.

Tuesday is Equal Pay Day, a symbolic day for advocates in the U.S. to show support for women in the workforce and draw attention to the gender pay gap.
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Everyone should be for equal pay.

Sen. Al Franken‏Verified account @SenFranken  4h4 hours ago

It’s simple. Women deserve to be paid equally for equal work. #EqualPayDay

Senator Tim Kaine‏Verified account @timkaine  5h5 hours ago

In Virginia, on average a woman would have to work until she is 71 years old to make what a man makes by the time he is 60 #EqualPayDay

First daughter Ivanka Trump posted an Instagram graphic from USA Today with equal pay statistics that read: "Women earn 82% the all time weekly paycheck of a man. Black women earn 68% and Latina women earn 62% of the full-time weekly pay of a white man." 

"Today, on #EqualPayDay, we are reminded that women deserve equal pay for equal work," Trump wrote on Instagram Tuesday morning.
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But wait......

Elizabeth Warren’s Female Staffers Made 71% of Male Staffers’ Salaries in 2016

Senator Elizabeth Warren / Getty Images

BY: Brent Scher
April 4, 2017 4:58 am

The gender pay gap in Sen. Elizabeth Warren's (D., Mass.) office is nearly 10 percent wider than the national average, meaning women in the Massachusetts Democrat's office will have to wait longer than most women across the country to recognize Equal Pay Day.

Equal Pay Day, created two decades ago by the National Committee on Pay Equity, is scheduled by using the Census Bureau annual unadjusted gender pay gap to determine how far into the next year women would have to work to match annual earnings of men. Last year's figures, showing that women earned 79.6 percent of what men earned, put Equal Pay Day on Tuesday April 4, more than three months into the calendar year.

However, women working for Warren were paid just 71 cents for every dollar paid to men during the 2016 fiscal year, according to a Washington Free Beacon analysis.

The median annual earnings for women staffers, $52,750, was more than $20,000 less than the median annual earnings for men, $73,750, according to the analysis of publicly available Senate data.

When calculated using average salaries rather than median, the pay gap expands to just over $26,051, or about 31 percent.

Consistent with previous Free Beacon analyses of Senate salary data, only full-time staffers who were employed for the entire period in question were included in the calculations.

For example, Warren's former chief of staff Mindy Myers and her male replacement Dan Geldon were not included because neither worked the full year.

Among employees employed the entire year, only one woman, Warren's director of scheduling, earned a six-figure salary, at $100,624.88.

Five men—Warren's director of oversight and investigations ($156,000), legislative director ($149,458), deputy chief of staff ($119,375), Massachusetts state director ($152,310), and deputy state director ($113,750)—earned more than Warren's highest paid woman staffer in 2016.

Many discount attributing gender pay differences to discrimination, arguing that these comparisons fail to take into account several contributing factors, but Warren is not one of them.
Warren said on last year's Equal Pay Day that the American workplace was "rigged against women" and called it a "national day of embarrassment" for the nation.

"Today is Equal Pay Day, and by the sound of it, you would think it's some sort of historic holiday commemorating the anniversary of a landmark day that our country guaranteed equal pay for women," Warren said. "But that's not what this is about. Not even close."

"The game is rigged against women and families, and it has to stop," Warren continued. "It is 2016, not 1916, and it's long past time to eliminate gender discrimination in the workplace."

Historically, 1995 was the last year where the national pay gap was comparable to the 2016 gap in Warren's office, according to data collected by the group that founded Equal Pay Day.

Warren is far from the only politician who pays women less than men.

Most notable on the list is failed Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, who paid women less than men first as a senator, then as secretary of state, and as a presidential candidate. Her campaign viewed her tendency to pay women less than men as a campaign vulnerability.

Former President Barack Obama regularly spoke out about the gender pay gap, but women working at the White House were paid less than men.

Also paying women less than men were Democratic Govs. Jon Bel Edwards (La.), who last month held an "equal pay summit," and Andrew Cuomo (N.Y.), who has signed two executive orders this year to eliminate the wage gap.

Warren's office did not respond to inquiries regarding the disparity.
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So typical of hypocritical Warren 

Elizabeth Warren’s office hit with wage-gap spotlight: ‘Nearly 10% wider than the national average’

By Douglas Ernst - The Washington Times - Tuesday, April 4, 2017

Data gleaned from public documents shows a gap between Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s rhetoric on equal pay and the financial reality within her own office.

Senate salary data for fiscal year 2016 on Mrs. Warren’s male and female full-time staffers reveals an office that pays women 71 cents for every dollar paid to male colleagues. National statistics by the Census Bureau tallied 79.6 percent last year.

The Washington Free Beacon also ran its figures based on average instead of median, which widened the gap to roughly $26,000, or about 31 percent. Only the salary of employees who worked a full year were factored into the website’s analysis.

Notable statistics include:

The median annual earnings for women staffers was $52,750, compared with $73,750 for men.

Only one woman earned a six-figure salary — $100,624.88.

Five men earned more than Warren’s highest paid woman staffer in 2016.

Critics of wage gap rhetoric argue that most discrepancies between men and women are due to a failure to compare statistical “apples to apples.” Mrs. Warren’s past statements on the issue, however, do not convey to that train of thought.

While speaking in favor of the Paycheck Fairness Act in November 2015, for example, the senator said: “A lot of people say that ‘I thought equal pay for equal work was already the law’ — what they don’t realize is that half of all women in America work in jobs where they can get fired, just for asking how much the guy down the hall was getting paid for working the same job. That has to stop.”

“The one thing that always gets me is that in 2015, I still have to get out and say that we believe in equal pay for equal work,” the senator said, Mother Jones reported Nov. 18, 2015. “It always gets a nice round of applause, but you really want to say holy guacamole, we can’t get this thing done?”
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Trump Pulls Back Obama-Era Protections For Women Workers

With little notice, President Donald Trump recently signed an executive order that advocates say rolls back hard-fought victories for women in the workplace.

Tuesday's "Equal Pay Day" — which highlights the wage disparity between men and women — is the perfect time to draw more attention to the president's action, activists say.

On March 27, Trump revoked the 2014 Fair Pay and Safe Workplaces order then-President Barack Obama put in place to ensure that companies with federal contracts comply with 14 labor and civil rights laws. The Fair Pay order was put in place after a 2010 Government Accountability Office investigation showed that companies with rampant violations were being awarded millions in federal contracts.

The Fair Pay order Trump overturned was one of the few ways to ensure companies were paying women workers equally to their male colleagues.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-pulls-back-obama-era-protections-women-workers-n741041

 
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Women are obviously being underpaid in many careers.  They make up the majority of managerial positions but not at the same rate.

That said, you can't just look at average and median values.  You need to account for experience, education, certifications, people managed, money brought in, etc...and the only way to do that is through statistical modeling where you control for these variables in conjunction with each other.  Any other assumptions and reporting is not statistically significant and should be ignored.

 
xulf said:
Women are obviously being underpaid in many careers.  They make up the majority of managerial positions but not at the same rate.

That said, you can't just look at average and median values.  You need to account for experience, education, certifications, people managed, money brought in, etc...and the only way to do that is through statistical modeling where you control for these variables in conjunction with each other.  Any other assumptions and reporting is not statistically significant and should be ignored.
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HT doesn't have time for that. He's very busy tracking down rampant voter fraud.

 
xulf said:
Women are obviously being underpaid in many careers.  They make up the majority of managerial positions but not at the same rate.

That said, you can't just look at average and median values.  You need to account for experience, education, certifications, people managed, money brought in, etc...and the only way to do that is through statistical modeling where you control for these variables in conjunction with each other.  Any other assumptions and reporting is not statistically significant and should be ignored.
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I think I heard someone on Fresh Air or Freakanomics podcast that tried to adjust for these variables and they found women were still underpaid but less so than the 75% number that gets thrown around. Maybe like 91-93% of comparable men. 

 
mr roboto said:
I think I heard someone on Fresh Air or Freakanomics podcast that tried to adjust for these variables and they found women were still underpaid but less so than the 75% number that gets thrown around. Maybe like 91-93% of comparable men. 
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I can completely see that.  I do think there is inequality in pay, but not necessarily at the "easily" click-bait reported levels.   

I also want to say that I am allll for equal pay.  My wife is a very smart woman who changed careers from designer to RN to NP...and I have two daughters.  I want the best and fairest world for all of them.

 
mr roboto said:
I think I heard someone on Fresh Air or Freakanomics podcast that tried to adjust for these variables and they found women were still underpaid but less so than the 75% number that gets thrown around. Maybe like 91-93% of comparable men. 
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Yes, this is correct.  The exact percentage will vary from study to study, but that's about right.  The remaining wage gap includes stuff like women being less willing to negotiate their salary at the time of hire than men, women being a little less competitive on average than men (which ties into the thing about not negotiating as much), and other sociological facts of life that aren't necessarily a good thing but don't match up to what people generally mean when they talk about "discrimination" either.

My industry -- higher ed -- is a good example.  Female professors earn less, on average, than male professors.  But there's simply no way that's due to discrimination.  People who participate in hiring decisions in my line of work tend to be far to the left of your average person and are hyper-sensitive to social justice issues.  It just isn't plausible to tell a convincing story in which women faculty earn less than their male counterparts because of the insidious sexism of openly-Marxist search committee members, department chairs, and deans.  Instead, this is nice illustration of how individual choices made by job seekers result in pay disparities that are predictable by sex but not due to discrimination.

 
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HellToupee said:
But wait......
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Not a surprise, really.  Logical people know that Democrats are hypocrites to begin with - it's one of the requirements to be a Democrat.  With Warren, everyone also knows she's a complete and utter fraud.  She brings shame upon her Indian heritage.

 
Mile High said:
Trump Pulls Back Obama-Era Protections For Women Workers

With little notice, President Donald Trump recently signed an executive order that advocates say rolls back hard-fought victories for women in the workplace.

Tuesday's "Equal Pay Day" — which highlights the wage disparity between men and women — is the perfect time to draw more attention to the president's action, activists say.

On March 27, Trump revoked the 2014 Fair Pay and Safe Workplaces order then-President Barack Obama put in place to ensure that companies with federal contracts comply with 14 labor and civil rights laws. The Fair Pay order was put in place after a 2010 Government Accountability Office investigation showed that companies with rampant violations were being awarded millions in federal contracts.

The Fair Pay order Trump overturned was one of the few ways to ensure companies were paying women workers equally to their male colleagues.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-pulls-back-obama-era-protections-women-workers-n741041
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It's not like Democrats were even following those orders/regulations anyways (see Elizabeth Warren, above).

 
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Is there evidence that the females on warren's staff are paid less than men when they do the exact same job/work the same hours/have the same experience and education?

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Yes, this is correct.  The exact percentage will vary from study to study, but that's about right.  The remaining wage gap includes stuff like women being less willing to negotiate their salary at the time of hire than men, women being a little less competitive on average than men (which ties into the thing about not negotiating as much), and other sociological facts of life that aren't necessarily a good thing but don't match up to what people generally mean when they talk about "discrimination" either.

My industry -- higher ed -- is a good example.  Female professors earn less, on average, than male professors.  But there's simply no way that's due to discrimination.  People who participate in hiring decisions in my line of work tend to be far to the left of your average person and are hyper-sensitive to social justice issues.  It just isn't plausible to tell a convincing story in which women faculty earn less than their male counterparts because of the insidious sexism of openly-Marxist search committee members, department chairs, and deans.  Instead, this is nice illustration of how individual choices made by job seekers result in pay disparities that are predictable by sex but not due to discrimination.
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Insightful post in a see of crap

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Yes, this is correct.  The exact percentage will vary from study to study, but that's about right.  The remaining wage gap includes stuff like women being less willing to negotiate their salary at the time of hire than men, women being a little less competitive on average than men (which ties into the thing about not negotiating as much), and other sociological facts of life that aren't necessarily a good thing but don't match up to what people generally mean when they talk about "discrimination" either.

My industry -- higher ed -- is a good example.  Female professors earn less, on average, than male professors.  But there's simply no way that's due to discrimination.  People who participate in hiring decisions in my line of work tend to be far to the left of your average person and are hyper-sensitive to social justice issues.  It just isn't plausible to tell a convincing story in which women faculty earn less than their male counterparts because of the insidious sexism of openly-Marxist search committee members, department chairs, and deans.  Instead, this is nice illustration of how individual choices made by job seekers result in pay disparities that are predictable by sex but not due to discrimination.
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I believe there have been studies showing bias against women in the scientific and higher ed communities. 

 
HellToupee said:
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Everyone should be for equal pay.
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Yet for some reason you are only outraged by Warren (for something based on information lacking proper analysis) and apparently not everyone else who does the same.

Or are you pretending to be outraged and just trying to drum up actual outrage in others? For some reason that reminds me about a discussion we were having about someone else who uses those exact methods.

 
Chaka said:
Yet for some reason you are only outraged by Warren (for something based on information lacking proper analysis) and apparently not everyone else who does the same.

Or are you pretending to be outraged and just trying to drum up actual outrage in others? For some reason that reminds me about a discussion we were having about someone else who uses those exact methods.
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 I really hate Elizabeth Warren . As far as pols go to me she is the bottom . This is her typical MO . BTW it's not a D/R thing , I like our other D senator Fast Eddie Markey

 
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HellToupee said:
 I really hate Elizabeth Warren . As far as pols go to me she is the bottom . This is her typical MO . BTW it's not a D/R thing , I like our other D senator Fast Eddie Markey
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Never said it was, but at least she had the balls to say the day was an embarrassment. It's a joke, a sad, pathetic, shameful joke that we are having the same national conversation today that we were having when I was born.

 
The size of her staff is important to know before we make any judgements of how she is handling gender equality in her staff. 

 
xulf said:
Women are obviously being underpaid in many careers.  They make up the majority of managerial positions but not at the same rate.

That said, you can't just look at average and median values.  You need to account for experience, education, certifications, people managed, money brought in, etc...and the only way to do that is through statistical modeling where you control for these variables in conjunction with each other.  Any other assumptions and reporting is not statistically significant and should be ignored.
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Nobody mentioned the additional factor of child-rearing. Women are more likely to leave the workforce for a period of time and lose those earning years. That greatly affects their total life earnings, especially when some highly educated and highly-paid upper management types choose to never return to the workforce. 

 
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