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Ill take 16.8 in PPR
decker is talented, no doubt...some of the stats between them are very similar...first off 25% the talent my ###, Decker is a great WR....secondly, i don't even have Decker on my fantasy team...thirdly, I am not even arguing that Decker is better than D.Thomas.. that is pretty clear, but in fantasy Decker could end up as the #1 WR simply by how effectively Manning uses him, if the trend continues in the redzone Decker could end up with more TD's and very similar yardage and receptions... could be the equivalent of what Collie was a couple of years ago, even though R.Wayne was the far superior wideoutSimple. Decker has about 25% of the talent that D Thomas. Decker will be fine, but to say he his Denver's WR1 is LOL. I know it sucks to have grabbed Decker 2 rounds before DT, but time to face the music. I suppose people will hang on for as long as they can. Will be back in Week 12 and in Week 16 to gloat.don't see what is funny about this... Decker has almost equal total targets, has big play ability, Peyton trusts him and goes to him in crunch time, they have an equal amount of TD's, and he is 5th overall this season with "8" redzone targets, and has more than Demarius.. and defenses will definitely roll coverage towards D.Thomas as the season goes on.... not sure how this is an invalid statementLOL.I still think Decker will wind up being the #1 WR for the Broncos.
'Judge Smails said:Woulda had more if Stokely doesn't whiff on the screen block
The Denver Post says Eric Decker is in line for a "rich," long-term contract from the Broncos in 2014.
Of course, Decker will have to perform well in this season -- the final year of his rookie deal. The problem is that even if he maintains his high level of play, he doesn't figure to come close to last year's No. 7 fantasy finish. New slot man Wes Welker projects to steal plenty of targets and Decker was in line for a natural regression off his 13 touchdowns anyway. Consider Mr. Jessie James a low-end WR2.
Source: Denver Post
I have no idea why re-posting rotoworld here is necessary. If I want to read rotoworld, I will go to rotoworld. It's not like it's blocked anywhere is it? This post is a prime example of why rotoworld stinks anyway and pulling up a long lost thread to re-post rotoworld's speculation just moves relevant topics down.Rotoworld:
The Denver Post says Eric Decker is in line for a "rich," long-term contract from the Broncos in 2014.
Of course, Decker will have to perform well in this season -- the final year of his rookie deal. The problem is that even if he maintains his high level of play, he doesn't figure to come close to last year's No. 7 fantasy finish. New slot man Wes Welker projects to steal plenty of targets and Decker was in line for a natural regression off his 13 touchdowns anyway. Consider Mr. Jessie James a low-end WR2.
Source: Denver Post
I have no idea why complaining about re-posting rotoworld here is necessary, and it isn't that hard to use the search function or check out other pages to see if there are relevant topics that you are interested in perusing.I have no idea why re-posting rotoworld here is necessary. If I want to read rotoworld, I will go to rotoworld. It's not like it's blocked anywhere is it? This post is a prime example of why rotoworld stinks anyway and pulling up a long lost thread to re-post rotoworld's speculation just moves relevant topics down.Rotoworld:
The Denver Post says Eric Decker is in line for a "rich," long-term contract from the Broncos in 2014.
Of course, Decker will have to perform well in this season -- the final year of his rookie deal. The problem is that even if he maintains his high level of play, he doesn't figure to come close to last year's No. 7 fantasy finish. New slot man Wes Welker projects to steal plenty of targets and Decker was in line for a natural regression off his 13 touchdowns anyway. Consider Mr. Jessie James a low-end WR2.
Source: Denver Post
OK, I'll tell you why, because when something pops to the top of the board, right or wrong, I assume it's for something relevant. Like clockwork, if rotoworld posts something about a guy who hasn't made news in awhile, it gets reposted for some reason which feeds into the echo-chamber hype machine. I get that every now and again another site might catch and post something relevant, but not every rotoworld post is relevant. Plus, they have a pretty bad track record for views on players so, I never take anything they post seriously. Why not just put a rotoworld ticker feed on the site here and save us all some time.....I have no idea why complaining about re-posting rotoworld here is necessary, and it isn't that hard to use the search function or check out other pages to see if there are relevant topics that you are interested in perusing.I have no idea why re-posting rotoworld here is necessary. If I want to read rotoworld, I will go to rotoworld. It's not like it's blocked anywhere is it? This post is a prime example of why rotoworld stinks anyway and pulling up a long lost thread to re-post rotoworld's speculation just moves relevant topics down.Rotoworld:
The Denver Post says Eric Decker is in line for a "rich," long-term contract from the Broncos in 2014.
Of course, Decker will have to perform well in this season -- the final year of his rookie deal. The problem is that even if he maintains his high level of play, he doesn't figure to come close to last year's No. 7 fantasy finish. New slot man Wes Welker projects to steal plenty of targets and Decker was in line for a natural regression off his 13 touchdowns anyway. Consider Mr. Jessie James a low-end WR2.
Source: Denver Post
OK, I'll tell you why, because when something pops to the top of the board, right or wrong, I assume it's for something relevant. Like clockwork, if rotoworld posts something about a guy who hasn't made news in awhile, it gets reposted for some reason which feeds into the echo-chamber hype machine. I get that every now and again another site might catch and post something relevant, but not every rotoworld post is relevant. Plus, they have a pretty bad track record for views on players so, I never take anything they post seriously. Why not just put a rotoworld ticker feed on the site here and save us all some time.....I have no idea why complaining about re-posting rotoworld here is necessary, and it isn't that hard to use the search function or check out other pages to see if there are relevant topics that you are interested in perusing.I have no idea why re-posting rotoworld here is necessary. If I want to read rotoworld, I will go to rotoworld. It's not like it's blocked anywhere is it? This post is a prime example of why rotoworld stinks anyway and pulling up a long lost thread to re-post rotoworld's speculation just moves relevant topics down.Rotoworld:
The Denver Post says Eric Decker is in line for a "rich," long-term contract from the Broncos in 2014.
Of course, Decker will have to perform well in this season -- the final year of his rookie deal. The problem is that even if he maintains his high level of play, he doesn't figure to come close to last year's No. 7 fantasy finish. New slot man Wes Welker projects to steal plenty of targets and Decker was in line for a natural regression off his 13 touchdowns anyway. Consider Mr. Jessie James a low-end WR2.
Source: Denver Post
It is July. OTAs and minicamps are over and training camp & preseason are a few weeks away. What were you expecting?Dangit, I should know better than to enter a thread like this while expecting something new and GOOD to be posted.
Then make a Faust News thread and post it there rather than necroing the first random thread that mentions the player and posting entirely unrelated news in it. His current contract situation has nothing whatsoever to do with what would appear to be basically a sit/start thread from 10 months ago.
- I don't own this site, so I have no ability to add a ticker or RSS feed to this site.
- I receive lots of positive feedback from other FBG members who appreciate the information that I pull from other sources that they don't have time to check on their own. I think your feedback was the first negative blast that I received.
- I don't post everything that is on Rotoworld, only what I found interesting or relevant. I don't care what breakfast cereal Brees ate that morning, so I do try to be careful that what I add is valuable. I couldn't anticipate that this particular posting would bother you this way.
- I don't just pull information from Rotoworld. I use NFL.com, ESPN, CBS Sports, etc. so that it saves significant time for those who don't scour every source of NFL information out there.
- Rotoworld is very good at culling information from multiple sources, and part of the reason why I post it here is to stimulate debate and discussion.
- Rotoworld adds their own opinion, which most FBG know can be heavily biased, but at least they link the original article, so you can go on to read it for yourself and formulate your own opinion.
- I also tend to post the info in one thread, even if it is an older thread. I take this step to prevent the problem of creating 30 different threads on 1 player or subject.
- If you see an older thread and you think to yourself that it might not be relevant, then don't open it to read it, just ignore it. In fact, if you don't like the information that I bring to the FBG Shark Pool, please feel free to add me to your ignore list and my postings won't bother you again.
A Faust news thread is not going to happen, but thanks for the suggestion. I explained to you that I prefer not to create extra player threads and clutter up the shark pool, so yes, I found the only Decker thread that I could find and added the information into that thread. There isn't much going on for NFL news in early July, so I did think that Decker being possibly locked up long term by the Broncos was relevant to dynasty league players.Then make a Faust News thread and post it there rather than necroing the first random thread that mentions the player and posting entirely unrelated news in it. His current contract situation has nothing whatsoever to do with what would appear to be basically a sit/start thread from 10 months ago.
- I don't own this site, so I have no ability to add a ticker or RSS feed to this site.
- I receive lots of positive feedback from other FBG members who appreciate the information that I pull from other sources that they don't have time to check on their own. I think your feedback was the first negative blast that I received.
- I don't post everything that is on Rotoworld, only what I found interesting or relevant. I don't care what breakfast cereal Brees ate that morning, so I do try to be careful that what I add is valuable. I couldn't anticipate that this particular posting would bother you this way.
- I don't just pull information from Rotoworld. I use NFL.com, ESPN, CBS Sports, etc. so that it saves significant time for those who don't scour every source of NFL information out there.
- Rotoworld is very good at culling information from multiple sources, and part of the reason why I post it here is to stimulate debate and discussion.
- Rotoworld adds their own opinion, which most FBG know can be heavily biased, but at least they link the original article, so you can go on to read it for yourself and formulate your own opinion.
- I also tend to post the info in one thread, even if it is an older thread. I take this step to prevent the problem of creating 30 different threads on 1 player or subject.
- If you see an older thread and you think to yourself that it might not be relevant, then don't open it to read it, just ignore it. In fact, if you don't like the information that I bring to the FBG Shark Pool, please feel free to add me to your ignore list and my postings won't bother you again.
It's good to know and keep postiing stuff. If I dont want to see it I'll just hit that "back" button or scroll past it.![]()
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I thought that Decker owners might want to know that he was potentially going to be locked up long-term by the Broncos.
exactly, don't listen to these johnny come lately's. They don't represent the vast majority of the board.the 3 guys complaining have join dates within the past year
Faust, you do good work. Most of us appreciate your efforts here. And actually, the Decker info is pretty useful for anyone owning Decker in a dynasty league.
I completely disagree about Thomas. Obviously it helps having Manning, but that's blinding you from Thomas' ability. He's every bit of the physical freak he was billed as coming out of college. I have little worry Denver would ever let a guy like him walk and I have little worry losing Manning will hurt him too much. He produced as a raw player coming off an Achilles injury with Tebow as his QB.Shutout said:Maybe this is the wrong place to discuss it but, regarding Decker and Thomas and long-term extensions, what do people make of that as it relates to their dynasty value? We all know these guys are both getting a lot of love right now but, IMO, they are more tied to Manning's continuing to play moreso than most other WRs.
I'm sure a lot of people will say that they are talented and they don't worry too much about it. I am not suggesting they aren't talented but I do think this is one of those cases where the qb makes the player to a large degree and think both players are likely overvalued.
The link rotocrap sites does not indicate that the Broncos are actually looking to lock him up long-term. It is some beat writer from the Denver Post speculating to some guy asking a question. Absolutely anyone could speculate and connect those hypothetical dots. And therein lies the problem with mindlessly re-posting rotocrap. Thanks for proving my point.![]()
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I thought that Decker owners might want to know that he was potentially going to be locked up long-term by the Broncos.
Your original point was that it was a waste of your time to open the thread and read the posting. You have now wasted 10x the original amount of time by moaning and complaining about this and carrying the argument onward. Congratulations.The link rotocrap sites does not indicate that the Broncos are actually looking to lock him up long-term. It is some beat writer from the Denver Post speculating to some guy asking a question. Absolutely anyone could speculate and connect those hypothetical dots. And therein lies the problem with mindlessly re-posting rotocrap. Thanks for proving my point.![]()
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Thanks guys for the support!
I thought that Decker owners might want to know that he was potentially going to be locked up long-term by the Broncos.
Just curious, but is your full time job reposting from that site or do you get kickbacks for reposting their fluff opinions? Seems like it must occupy a bit of your time. (Open window with Rotoworld, search for player here, copy/paste, wait for thumbs up from friends, and move on to the next guy.) I get it, you love Rotoworld and can't get enough of posting their material. I just fail to see how this routine of yours is enlightening in any way. As far as wasting my time? I agree, you have succeeded, just like you've wasted anyone else's time who opens a topic expecting news and are greeted with a copy and paste of irrelevant material from a less than stellar source of information. I am only taking this time just to say, I will never open another topic that shows your name as the most recent poster because I will know with near 100% certainty that it is just a robotic repost of Rotoworld. Seriously, if they put a rotoworld feed here, you might be able to step away from the screen a little more often and enjoy the day.Your original point was that it was a waste of your time to open the thread and read the posting. You have now wasted 10x the original amount of time by moaning and complaining about this and carrying the argument onward. Congratulations.The link rotocrap sites does not indicate that the Broncos are actually looking to lock him up long-term. It is some beat writer from the Denver Post speculating to some guy asking a question. Absolutely anyone could speculate and connect those hypothetical dots. And therein lies the problem with mindlessly re-posting rotocrap. Thanks for proving my point.![]()
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Thanks guys for the support!
I thought that Decker owners might want to know that he was potentially going to be locked up long-term by the Broncos.
I am 100% great with that - feel free to never open a thread that I have made the last post in as long as you are on these boards. As mentioned before, I repost information from ESPN, NFL.com, and not just rotoworld. The majority on here at FBG.com appreciate the fact that they can come here and don't need to scour the web the same way that I do to catch up on all the information that they have missed out on. I sometimes come across some great stuff that is very obscure, and the information has been very helpful at times to the membership of these boards. That is kind of the point of the message boards, and another one from the owner of this site is here for you to read:Just curious, but is your full time job reposting from that site or do you get kickbacks for reposting their fluff opinions? Seems like it must occupy a bit of your time. (Open window with Rotoworld, search for player here, copy/paste, wait for thumbs up from friends, and move on to the next guy.) I get it, you love Rotoworld and can't get enough of posting their material. I just fail to see how this routine of yours is enlightening in any way. As far as wasting my time? I agree, you have succeeded, just like you've wasted anyone else's time who opens a topic expecting news and are greeted with a copy and paste of irrelevant material from a less than stellar source of information. I am only taking this time just to say, I will never open another topic that shows your name as the most recent poster because I will know with near 100% certainty that it is just a robotic repost of Rotoworld. Seriously, if they put a rotoworld feed here, you might be able to step away from the screen a little more often and enjoy the day.Your original point was that it was a waste of your time to open the thread and read the posting. You have now wasted 10x the original amount of time by moaning and complaining about this and carrying the argument onward. Congratulations.The link rotocrap sites does not indicate that the Broncos are actually looking to lock him up long-term. It is some beat writer from the Denver Post speculating to some guy asking a question. Absolutely anyone could speculate and connect those hypothetical dots. And therein lies the problem with mindlessly re-posting rotocrap. Thanks for proving my point.![]()
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Thanks guys for the support!
I thought that Decker owners might want to know that he was potentially going to be locked up long-term by the Broncos.
It doesn't take me that much time to collect the information and post it in the message boards here, certainly less time than it has taken you to get all worked up and spread your negativity towards me and towards Rotowrold (which I don't really get, but that is beside the point).#2. Keep the personal attacks way down. I understand it's football and you're passionate. I am too. But I'm seeing the tool factor going way up in some of these posts and we can't have it. Disagree, argue, debate, support, critique whatever. But if you can't keep from calling the other guy a dumb###, you won't be posting here. This is the time of year when I have 10,000 urgent things to do every day. So please don't push this.
Bottom line -
1. Keep this focused on NFL News and Player Discussion and General Strategy topics.
2. Understand most people in the Shark Pool don't care about your team and keep the focus on stuff that is applicable to all.
3. Be Excellent to One Another.
Strong speculation/predicting of the future.Azhais, Leonidas, and especially Rookie_Whisperer, why don't you go find another fantasy football forum to post in? And don't let the door hit you on the way out.
It's already clear that you will never contribute 1% of the value to this forum that Faust does.
I think most think that Demaryius is the more transcendent talent, so going to talk about Decker. I think Decker is a really solid possession guy that could have value in a lot of places. He posted 2 20+ point (PPR) games in 2011 before Orton got benched and then managed 10+ in 4 of 5 with Tebow as the QB. That was just his 2nd year in the league. Last year he was able to turn in a top 10 season with only 123 targets. The TDs are probably not repeatable, but lets take 5 of them away and he still would have been WR17.Shutout said:Maybe this is the wrong place to discuss it but, regarding Decker and Thomas and long-term extensions, what do people make of that as it relates to their dynasty value? We all know these guys are both getting a lot of love right now but, IMO, they are more tied to Manning's continuing to play moreso than most other WRs.
I'm sure a lot of people will say that they are talented and they don't worry too much about it. I am not suggesting they aren't talented but I do think this is one of those cases where the qb makes the player to a large degree and think both players are likely overvalued.
Quit whiningThen make a Faust News thread and post it there rather than necroing the first random thread that mentions the player and posting entirely unrelated news in it. His current contract situation has nothing whatsoever to do with what would appear to be basically a sit/start thread from 10 months ago.</p>
- I don't own this site, so I have no ability to add a ticker or RSS feed to this site.
- I receive lots of positive feedback from other FBG members who appreciate the information that I pull from other sources that they don't have time to check on their own. I think your feedback was the first negative blast that I received.
- I don't post everything that is on Rotoworld, only what I found interesting or relevant. I don't care what breakfast cereal Brees ate that morning, so I do try to be careful that what I add is valuable. I couldn't anticipate that this particular posting would bother you this way.
- I don't just pull information from Rotoworld. I use NFL.com, ESPN, CBS Sports, etc. so that it saves significant time for those who don't scour every source of NFL information out there.
- Rotoworld is very good at culling information from multiple sources, and part of the reason why I post it here is to stimulate debate and discussion.
- Rotoworld adds their own opinion, which most FBG know can be heavily biased, but at least they link the original article, so you can go on to read it for yourself and formulate your own opinion.
- I also tend to post the info in one thread, even if it is an older thread. I take this step to prevent the problem of creating 30 different threads on 1 player or subject.
- If you see an older thread and you think to yourself that it might not be relevant, then don't open it to read it, just ignore it. In fact, if you don't like the information that I bring to the FBG Shark Pool, please feel free to add me to your ignore list and my postings won't bother you again.
I had no idea the Broncos were working on an extension for Decker. There are many people speculating on his production possibly decreasing this season with Welker in tow, and the fact they're looking to sign ED long term may mean he won't be adversely affected by Welker's presence.I admit, that the information was a touch weak for adding much value, but like massraider says, I saw some information on Decker and posted it in a thread, looking to drive some discussion on him. I am a touch surprised that it sent somebody over the edge and made them so angry, especially when there are so many other things in this world that are more deserving of your scorn.
The funniest part about this is that after complaining and posting his complaints, he has bumped this thread a few times, when it would have been far wiser to just let the thread slip into obscurity if you didn't like what you read.
That's because they're not.I had no idea the Broncos were working on an extension for Decker.I admit, that the information was a touch weak for adding much value, but like massraider says, I saw some information on Decker and posted it in a thread, looking to drive some discussion on him. I am a touch surprised that it sent somebody over the edge and made them so angry, especially when there are so many other things in this world that are more deserving of your scorn.
The funniest part about this is that after complaining and posting his complaints, he has bumped this thread a few times, when it would have been far wiser to just let the thread slip into obscurity if you didn't like what you read.
Agreed. Plus, with defenses having to pick their poison with those WRs this year, Decker could see the softest coverage of the three - Welker is feared as a possession WR, and Thomas is too much of a big play guy to play soft - and since Manning throws to the open guy most of the time no matter who it is, Decker could really feast this year. I am not sure he will score 13 times again, but given his current ADP/auction price, I think he'll end up being the best value of the three Bronco WRs.As for Decker, I'm not sure why, but I think he benefits more from Manning than Thomas. I think Thomas is athletic and skilled enough to be a legit #1 with even mediocre QB play. As for Decker, I think he benefits from Manning's ability to check from receiver to receiver with ease. Guys who aren't as good as Manning at reading mismatches and going through progressions would likely struggle to give Decker as many targets.
An interesting stat would be how many times Decker was the primary receiver for a play, but I think Manning's ability to change plays at the line and his skill at reading defenses might make that stat worth less than for a quarterback without that skillset.
That was the whole point of this old thread bump though.Rookie_Whisperer said:That's because they're not.Grahamburn said:I had no idea the Broncos were working on an extension for Decker.I admit, that the information was a touch weak for adding much value, but like massraider says, I saw some information on Decker and posted it in a thread, looking to drive some discussion on him. I am a touch surprised that it sent somebody over the edge and made them so angry, especially when there are so many other things in this world that are more deserving of your scorn.
The funniest part about this is that after complaining and posting his complaints, he has bumped this thread a few times, when it would have been far wiser to just let the thread slip into obscurity if you didn't like what you read.