Eric Holder To Step Down As Attorney General (1 Viewer)

[Widbil83]

I'm kind of sad about this. I'm not especially a fan,but the crap this guy got from conservatives for 5 years is just repugnant to me.

You can't be serious. Didn't he say that if anyone disagrees with Obama's policies, that they are racists?

That's cool to you?

Actually what he said was:

Theres a certain level of vehemence, it seems to me, thats directed at me [and] directed at the president, Holder said, according to The Hill. You know, people talking about taking their country back. Theres a certain racial component to this for some people. I dont think this is the thing that is a main driver, but for some theres a racial animus.

And to be honest that sure seems right to me. Awful lot of racist language and dog whistles used by people who oppose Obama. Take our country back? To what exactly?

I know right? I can't believe how racist Joe Biden was towards Obama a couple weeks ago-

To that end, Bidens rousing Labor Day speech in Detroit is worth paying attention to. Its time to take back America, said the man whos been vice president of the United States for almost six years.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/the-note-obama-prepares-nato-pitch/blogEntry?id=25212013&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fhotair.com%2Farchives%2F2014%2F09%2F02%2Fbiden-its-time-to-take-back-america%2F

 

[dickey moe]

In her speech at the Democratic National Committee's Winter Meeting last Friday, Senator Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) stressed taking control of the country back from the Bush administration and changing the direction in which it has been heading for the last six years. Those efforts, Clinton said, must begin now with the Democratic majorities in Congress and extend through the 2008 election.

"When I am president, working with a Democratic Congress," she said, "we will really take our country back and put it on the right track again."

2007

Yeah, but to be fair she was talking about taking the country back from those racist Republicans.

 

[jon_mx]

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) advised embattled Attorney General Eric Holder on Friday to consider resigning amid controversies over the Justice Department's investigations into leaks involving the Associated Press and Fox News.

"Let me just say that ... any public official -- no matter whether it be the attorney general or anybody in public office -- whenever you feel that you have lost your effectiveness, or may be losing your effectiveness, to the detriment of the job that you do, even though you're a good, honest, sincere, hardworking person, you have to evaluate that and make a decision," Manchin said on Bloomberg TV's "Political Capital with Al Hunt."

"And I think we're at the time now where decisions have to be made," he added. "I just think that, basically, in light of what is going on in the country and everybody looking at it -- it might be the most well-intended person with the best of intentions, but if they're not being effective and they're not being received, how effective is it and how good is it for the country?"

Holder came under fire last month when it was revealed that the Department of Justice secretly obtained two months of telephone records of reporters and editors for the Associated Press. AP President and Chief Executive Officer Gary Pruitt sent the attorney general a letter of protest, in which he called the actions a "massive and unprecedented intrusion." A subsequent report in the Washington Post found that the DOJ obtained a warrant for Fox News reporter James Rosen, suggesting he may be guilty of criminal wrongdoing over a June 2009 story on North Korea.

The controversies ignited concerns over press freedoms and government overreach, and have prompted some Republicans, who have been at odds with the attorney general since the 'Fast and Furious' case, to renew calls for Holder's resignation. Manchin, on the other hand, is the rare Democratic lawmaker to suggest publicly that Holder should consider stepping down.

Holder has repeatedly defended the DOJ investigations as necessary steps to protect national security interests. He has also retained the support of President Barack Obama, who told reporters last month that he had "complete confidence" in his attorney general.

Manchin also reacted to revelations that the National Security Agency has been conducting massive surveillance of American phone records, though he was reticent to criticize its actions.

"Sure, it bothers me, and I think it bothers you and every other American. It should be stopped, as far as the broad base that they're doing," he said. "I'm wanting to do everything I can to fight the war on terror ... But do you give up everything as an American? I think the Patriot Act and the interpretation and way it's being enforced is broader than what we would have intended

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Ignore timschochet. It's doing a bit of trolling in its own weird way.

I'm addressing this in a non-partisan manner -- I'm just wondering what's coming down the pike that even Holder can't withstand it.

Maybe nothing. But where the heck is tdoss's avatar?

You're either addressing it in a partisan manner or an incredibly stupid manner. Since 1900, I can count ONE attorney general who has served the entirety of two full terms. Janet Reno. That's the list. It would be exceptional if Holder had actually served two full terms in the job.

It's a stressful job that engenders a lot of criticism (some fair, a lot of it not) and it pays a fraction of what he could be making doing something else (assuming he goes back into practice) and provides less personal satisfaction than other public service jobs. He was ambivalent to take the job in the first place if you believe what he told the people who worked with him at Covington.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

OK so if I understand this correctly:

1. Nobody can state (or at least is willing to state) why he should be charged with a crime. Now in truth, only one poster here made that charge- Walking Boot. However, there seems to be a significant number of conservatives who throw this around all the time. I've yet to find any reason given for it.

2. Larry Allen doesn't like Holder's ties to some banks being prosecuted. Not sure who he's referring to so I can't comment. I didn't like **** Cheney's ties to Haliburton, but that in no way indicated my overall opinion of him as vice-President. Holder basically adopted a policy that the banking industry is too large, and has too many other major national and global dependencies, that the negative impacts of prosecuting major banks for illegal activities would outweigh justice being served. During his term, prosecution of banking fraud and other illegal activities is at an all-time low. He basically gave immunity to a number of financial institutions. At least 1-2 of which he has financial ties to. I'm not saying his personal gain was any motivation in this decision, and I obviously don't know all the facts, but giving any corporate entity blanket immunity for current and future crimes seems like a bad idea on the surface.

3. Fast and Furious got mentioned- it always does. I have stated before that I think this is a non-story. I don't think F&F was about the 2000 guns that made it across the border, untracked. The issue only came to light because whistleblowers in the ATF realized the dysfunctionality of the operation, ATF leadership and the organization at the highest levels. The immediate response by the ATF was to discredit and fire the whistleblowers. The ATF has long carried the perception of being the red-headed stepchild of federal law enforcement agencies, and this only added more fuel to the fire. Instead of implementing any change or reform, BA and Holder got up in front of congress, denied any knowledge or wrongdoing in the affair and washed their hands of it. A couple of mid level suits at the ATF were blamed and fired, and business was back to usual. Way to go there, o' great leader of the DOJ.

4. Every other response was very general: "I can't think of one good thing he's done"- etc. That would work as a criticism of the President, but we should review the attorney general in a different way: does he uphold the law? If you don't believe he does, then be specific- at least Fast and Furious represents a specific complaint. But the speeches and political stances that Holder makes really has nothing to do with how he does his job. For instance, one of our most competent attorneys general in the last century was Ramsey Clark, and he was an out and out radical progressive, bordering on Communist, and made all sorts of absurd and incendiary statements. But during his term, he upheld the law. That's all we ask them to do. Now I don't know how great a job Holder has done at this. But conservatives are making out that he's been terrible without any real details, and I think it's all partisan and repugnant.

 

[rockaction]

Ignore timschochet. It's doing a bit of trolling in its own weird way.

I'm addressing this in a non-partisan manner -- I'm just wondering what's coming down the pike that even Holder can't withstand it.

Maybe nothing. But where the heck is tdoss's avatar?

You're either addressing it in a partisan manner or an incredibly stupid manner. Since 1900, I can count ONE attorney general who has served the entirety of two full terms. Janet Reno. That's the list. It would be exceptional if Holder had actually served two full terms in the job.

It's a stressful job that engenders a lot of criticism (some fair, a lot of it not) and it pays a fraction of what he could be making doing something else (assuming he goes back into practice) and provides less personal satisfaction than other public service jobs. He was ambivalent to take the job in the first place if you believe what he told the people who worked with him at Covington.

Wow. You're angry. Something wrong?

 

[Fennis]

The guy is a puppet, a fraud, and so liberal it's frightening. Glad he's leaving. Worthless.

if he's a puppet how do you know he is liberal?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YMfVtfqvP34

his lips are moving.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-PkutG_Q2Q

 

[GroveDiesel]

His decision to let the Black Panthers go even after a conviction had already been obtained for voter intimidation will always stand out to me. As will his many many court losses dealing with voting rights issues in the South.

 

[saintfool]

i'm waiting for him to be on Dancing with the Stars!

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Ignore timschochet. It's doing a bit of trolling in its own weird way.

I'm addressing this in a non-partisan manner -- I'm just wondering what's coming down the pike that even Holder can't withstand it.

Maybe nothing. But where the heck is tdoss's avatar?

You're either addressing it in a partisan manner or an incredibly stupid manner. Since 1900, I can count ONE attorney general who has served the entirety of two full terms. Janet Reno. That's the list. It would be exceptional if Holder had actually served two full terms in the job.

It's a stressful job that engenders a lot of criticism (some fair, a lot of it not) and it pays a fraction of what he could be making doing something else (assuming he goes back into practice) and provides less personal satisfaction than other public service jobs. He was ambivalent to take the job in the first place if you believe what he told the people who worked with him at Covington.

Wow. You're angry. Something wrong?

Sometimes when people call you stupid, they are angry. Other times, you've just said something stupid. I'm not angry. I just don't understand what "non-partisan" point you're trying to make. Ed Meese didn't serve 8 years. Nor did **** Thornburg. Or William French Smith. Or Alberto Gonzalez.

If Holder were worried about something coming down the pike, why on earth would he stay until the next guy is confirmed instead of just leaving office and letting someone serve as interim AG the way Paul Clement and Peter Keisler did when Gonzalez stepped down?

 

[tommyboy]

Ignore timschochet. It's doing a bit of trolling in its own weird way.

I'm addressing this in a non-partisan manner -- I'm just wondering what's coming down the pike that even Holder can't withstand it.

he's being charged with contempt again

 

[rockaction]

Ignore timschochet. It's doing a bit of trolling in its own weird way.

I'm addressing this in a non-partisan manner -- I'm just wondering what's coming down the pike that even Holder can't withstand it.

Maybe nothing. But where the heck is tdoss's avatar?

You're either addressing it in a partisan manner or an incredibly stupid manner. Since 1900, I can count ONE attorney general who has served the entirety of two full terms. Janet Reno. That's the list. It would be exceptional if Holder had actually served two full terms in the job.

It's a stressful job that engenders a lot of criticism (some fair, a lot of it not) and it pays a fraction of what he could be making doing something else (assuming he goes back into practice) and provides less personal satisfaction than other public service jobs. He was ambivalent to take the job in the first place if you believe what he told the people who worked with him at Covington.

Wow. You're angry. Something wrong?

Sometimes when people call you stupid, they are angry. Other times, you've just said something stupid. I'm not angry. I just don't understand what "non-partisan" point you're trying to make. Ed Meese didn't serve 8 years. Nor did **** Thornburg. Or William French Smith. Or Alberto Gonzalez.

If Holder were worried about something coming down the pike, why on earth would he stay until the next guy is confirmed instead of just leaving office and letting someone serve as interim AG the way Paul Clement and Peter Keisler did when Gonzalez stepped down?

Sure. From a poll of interested citizens:

About a third of respondents didn’t know who Mr. Holder is (37 percent). However, those Americans who knew Mr. Holder gave him the second-lowest “positive” rating of anyone or any organization on the survey at a mere 15 percent. Only Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio had a lower “positive” rating than Mr. Holder. The attorney general’s “positive” rating was less than half of the positive rating of the Republican Party and 27 points behind that of his boss, Mr. Obama, who was rated favorably by only 42 percent of respondents.

This also sounds normal for a controlled, non-impulsive president. From the NYT. A senior White House official said the president was “a long way” from announcing Mr. Holder’s replacement

But keep on keeping on RMH. That sounds about right come mid-terms.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Ignore timschochet. It's doing a bit of trolling in its own weird way.

I'm addressing this in a non-partisan manner -- I'm just wondering what's coming down the pike that even Holder can't withstand it.

Maybe nothing. But where the heck is tdoss's avatar?

You're either addressing it in a partisan manner or an incredibly stupid manner. Since 1900, I can count ONE attorney general who has served the entirety of two full terms. Janet Reno. That's the list. It would be exceptional if Holder had actually served two full terms in the job.

It's a stressful job that engenders a lot of criticism (some fair, a lot of it not) and it pays a fraction of what he could be making doing something else (assuming he goes back into practice) and provides less personal satisfaction than other public service jobs. He was ambivalent to take the job in the first place if you believe what he told the people who worked with him at Covington.

Wow. You're angry. Something wrong?

Sometimes when people call you stupid, they are angry. Other times, you've just said something stupid. I'm not angry. I just don't understand what "non-partisan" point you're trying to make. Ed Meese didn't serve 8 years. Nor did **** Thornburg. Or William French Smith. Or Alberto Gonzalez.

If Holder were worried about something coming down the pike, why on earth would he stay until the next guy is confirmed instead of just leaving office and letting someone serve as interim AG the way Paul Clement and Peter Keisler did when Gonzalez stepped down?

Not just the last few guys. Based on a quick skim of this I believe Janet Reno is the only attorney general since the presidency of James Monroe to serve two full presidential terms or close to it.

I don't know if I'd call it stupid to assume there must be a scandal coming if an AG quits, but it's definitely either ignorant or partisan.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Ignore timschochet. It's doing a bit of trolling in its own weird way.

I'm addressing this in a non-partisan manner -- I'm just wondering what's coming down the pike that even Holder can't withstand it.

Maybe nothing. But where the heck is tdoss's avatar?

You're either addressing it in a partisan manner or an incredibly stupid manner. Since 1900, I can count ONE attorney general who has served the entirety of two full terms. Janet Reno. That's the list. It would be exceptional if Holder had actually served two full terms in the job.

It's a stressful job that engenders a lot of criticism (some fair, a lot of it not) and it pays a fraction of what he could be making doing something else (assuming he goes back into practice) and provides less personal satisfaction than other public service jobs. He was ambivalent to take the job in the first place if you believe what he told the people who worked with him at Covington.

Wow. You're angry. Something wrong?

Sometimes when people call you stupid, they are angry. Other times, you've just said something stupid. I'm not angry. I just don't understand what "non-partisan" point you're trying to make. Ed Meese didn't serve 8 years. Nor did **** Thornburg. Or William French Smith. Or Alberto Gonzalez.

If Holder were worried about something coming down the pike, why on earth would he stay until the next guy is confirmed instead of just leaving office and letting someone serve as interim AG the way Paul Clement and Peter Keisler did when Gonzalez stepped down?

Sure. From a poll of interested citizens:

About a third of respondents didn’t know who Mr. Holder is (37 percent). However, those Americans who knew Mr. Holder gave him the second-lowest “positive” rating of anyone or any organization on the survey at a mere 15 percent. Only Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio had a lower “positive” rating than Mr. Holder. The attorney general’s “positive” rating was less than half of the positive rating of the Republican Party and 27 points behind that of his boss, Mr. Obama, who was rated favorably by only 42 percent of respondents.

This also sounds normal for a controlled, non-impulsive president. From the NYT. A senior White House official said the president was “a long way” from announcing Mr. Holder’s replacement

But keep on keeping on RMH. That sounds about right come mid-terms.

Ah, a Washington Times reader. Well that answers the partisan question.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Gotta wonder how bad it's going to be when the Fast and Furious Vaughn Report comes out in a few weeks. Seems like it's possible that it will be incredibly damaging and that Holder announcing that he's leaving is an attempt to head off the damage before the election after their attempt to delay the info release.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/09/25/judge-denies-doj-request-to-delay-release-of-fast-and-furious-document-list-n1896621

 

[rockaction]

Ignore timschochet. It's doing a bit of trolling in its own weird way.

I'm addressing this in a non-partisan manner -- I'm just wondering what's coming down the pike that even Holder can't withstand it.

Maybe nothing. But where the heck is tdoss's avatar?

You're either addressing it in a partisan manner or an incredibly stupid manner. Since 1900, I can count ONE attorney general who has served the entirety of two full terms. Janet Reno. That's the list. It would be exceptional if Holder had actually served two full terms in the job.

It's a stressful job that engenders a lot of criticism (some fair, a lot of it not) and it pays a fraction of what he could be making doing something else (assuming he goes back into practice) and provides less personal satisfaction than other public service jobs. He was ambivalent to take the job in the first place if you believe what he told the people who worked with him at Covington.

Wow. You're angry. Something wrong?

Sometimes when people call you stupid, they are angry. Other times, you've just said something stupid. I'm not angry. I just don't understand what "non-partisan" point you're trying to make. Ed Meese didn't serve 8 years. Nor did **** Thornburg. Or William French Smith. Or Alberto Gonzalez.

If Holder were worried about something coming down the pike, why on earth would he stay until the next guy is confirmed instead of just leaving office and letting someone serve as interim AG the way Paul Clement and Peter Keisler did when Gonzalez stepped down?

Sure. From a poll of interested citizens:

About a third of respondents didn’t know who Mr. Holder is (37 percent). However, those Americans who knew Mr. Holder gave him the second-lowest “positive” rating of anyone or any organization on the survey at a mere 15 percent. Only Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio had a lower “positive” rating than Mr. Holder. The attorney general’s “positive” rating was less than half of the positive rating of the Republican Party and 27 points behind that of his boss, Mr. Obama, who was rated favorably by only 42 percent of respondents.

This also sounds normal for a controlled, non-impulsive president. From the NYT. A senior White House official said the president was “a long way” from announcing Mr. Holder’s replacement

But keep on keeping on RMH. That sounds about right come mid-terms.

Ah, a Washington Times reader. Well that answers the partisan question.

And New York Times...?

eta* So why is the most calculated, smart, cold, calculated, distant, smart, preparatory president in history a long way from naming somebody to take over?

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Ignore timschochet. It's doing a bit of trolling in its own weird way.

I'm addressing this in a non-partisan manner -- I'm just wondering what's coming down the pike that even Holder can't withstand it.

Maybe nothing. But where the heck is tdoss's avatar?

You're either addressing it in a partisan manner or an incredibly stupid manner. Since 1900, I can count ONE attorney general who has served the entirety of two full terms. Janet Reno. That's the list. It would be exceptional if Holder had actually served two full terms in the job.

It's a stressful job that engenders a lot of criticism (some fair, a lot of it not) and it pays a fraction of what he could be making doing something else (assuming he goes back into practice) and provides less personal satisfaction than other public service jobs. He was ambivalent to take the job in the first place if you believe what he told the people who worked with him at Covington.

Wow. You're angry. Something wrong?

Sometimes when people call you stupid, they are angry. Other times, you've just said something stupid. I'm not angry. I just don't understand what "non-partisan" point you're trying to make. Ed Meese didn't serve 8 years. Nor did **** Thornburg. Or William French Smith. Or Alberto Gonzalez.

If Holder were worried about something coming down the pike, why on earth would he stay until the next guy is confirmed instead of just leaving office and letting someone serve as interim AG the way Paul Clement and Peter Keisler did when Gonzalez stepped down?

Sure. From a poll of interested citizens:

About a third of respondents didn’t know who Mr. Holder is (37 percent). However, those Americans who knew Mr. Holder gave him the second-lowest “positive” rating of anyone or any organization on the survey at a mere 15 percent. Only Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio had a lower “positive” rating than Mr. Holder. The attorney general’s “positive” rating was less than half of the positive rating of the Republican Party and 27 points behind that of his boss, Mr. Obama, who was rated favorably by only 42 percent of respondents.

This also sounds normal for a controlled, non-impulsive president. From the NYT. A senior White House official said the president was “a long way” from announcing Mr. Holder’s replacement

But keep on keeping on RMH. That sounds about right come mid-terms.

OK, I'll ask this question nicely.

How is that responsive to your initial comment and the discussion it engendered? It appears to be a complete non sequitor. Eric Holder is not popular. Nobody has argued otherwise.

 

[rockaction]

Ignore timschochet. It's doing a bit of trolling in its own weird way.

I'm addressing this in a non-partisan manner -- I'm just wondering what's coming down the pike that even Holder can't withstand it.

Maybe nothing. But where the heck is tdoss's avatar?

You're either addressing it in a partisan manner or an incredibly stupid manner. Since 1900, I can count ONE attorney general who has served the entirety of two full terms. Janet Reno. That's the list. It would be exceptional if Holder had actually served two full terms in the job.

It's a stressful job that engenders a lot of criticism (some fair, a lot of it not) and it pays a fraction of what he could be making doing something else (assuming he goes back into practice) and provides less personal satisfaction than other public service jobs. He was ambivalent to take the job in the first place if you believe what he told the people who worked with him at Covington.

Wow. You're angry. Something wrong?

Sometimes when people call you stupid, they are angry. Other times, you've just said something stupid. I'm not angry. I just don't understand what "non-partisan" point you're trying to make. Ed Meese didn't serve 8 years. Nor did **** Thornburg. Or William French Smith. Or Alberto Gonzalez.

If Holder were worried about something coming down the pike, why on earth would he stay until the next guy is confirmed instead of just leaving office and letting someone serve as interim AG the way Paul Clement and Peter Keisler did when Gonzalez stepped down?

Sure. From a poll of interested citizens:

About a third of respondents didn’t know who Mr. Holder is (37 percent). However, those Americans who knew Mr. Holder gave him the second-lowest “positive” rating of anyone or any organization on the survey at a mere 15 percent. Only Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio had a lower “positive” rating than Mr. Holder. The attorney general’s “positive” rating was less than half of the positive rating of the Republican Party and 27 points behind that of his boss, Mr. Obama, who was rated favorably by only 42 percent of respondents.

This also sounds normal for a controlled, non-impulsive president. From the NYT. A senior White House official said the president was “a long way” from announcing Mr. Holder’s replacement

But keep on keeping on RMH. That sounds about right come mid-terms.

OK, I'll ask this question nicely.

How is that responsive to your initial comment and the discussion it engendered? It appears to be a complete non sequitor. Eric Holder is not popular. Nobody has argued otherwise.

(sic)

See my above comment about the most cold, calculated, smart, calculated, smart president and Holder's resignation leaving our cold, calculated, smart, calculated president a "long way" from naming a successor.

 

[Widbil83]

Good news, MSNBC host Al Sharpton is working with the White House on finding a replacement-

The Rev. Al Sharpton said his civil rights organization, the National Action Network, is "engaged in immediate conversations" with the White House as they work to name a successor to Attorney General Eric Holder, who is set to announce his resignation Thursday afternoon.

"We are engaged in immediate conversations with the White House on deliberations over a successor whom we hope will continue in the general direction of Attorney General Holder," Sharpton said in a statement.

http://www.businessinsider.com/al-sharpton-says-hes-helping-pick-the-next-attorney-general-2014-9

 

[TobiasFunke]

Ignore timschochet. It's doing a bit of trolling in its own weird way.

I'm addressing this in a non-partisan manner -- I'm just wondering what's coming down the pike that even Holder can't withstand it.

Maybe nothing. But where the heck is tdoss's avatar?

You're either addressing it in a partisan manner or an incredibly stupid manner. Since 1900, I can count ONE attorney general who has served the entirety of two full terms. Janet Reno. That's the list. It would be exceptional if Holder had actually served two full terms in the job.

It's a stressful job that engenders a lot of criticism (some fair, a lot of it not) and it pays a fraction of what he could be making doing something else (assuming he goes back into practice) and provides less personal satisfaction than other public service jobs. He was ambivalent to take the job in the first place if you believe what he told the people who worked with him at Covington.

Wow. You're angry. Something wrong?

Sometimes when people call you stupid, they are angry. Other times, you've just said something stupid. I'm not angry. I just don't understand what "non-partisan" point you're trying to make. Ed Meese didn't serve 8 years. Nor did **** Thornburg. Or William French Smith. Or Alberto Gonzalez.

If Holder were worried about something coming down the pike, why on earth would he stay until the next guy is confirmed instead of just leaving office and letting someone serve as interim AG the way Paul Clement and Peter Keisler did when Gonzalez stepped down?

Sure. From a poll of interested citizens:

About a third of respondents didn’t know who Mr. Holder is (37 percent). However, those Americans who knew Mr. Holder gave him the second-lowest “positive” rating of anyone or any organization on the survey at a mere 15 percent. Only Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio had a lower “positive” rating than Mr. Holder. The attorney general’s “positive” rating was less than half of the positive rating of the Republican Party and 27 points behind that of his boss, Mr. Obama, who was rated favorably by only 42 percent of respondents.

This also sounds normal for a controlled, non-impulsive president. From the NYT. A senior White House official said the president was “a long way” from announcing Mr. Holder’s replacement

But keep on keeping on RMH. That sounds about right come mid-terms.

Ah, a Washington Times reader. Well that answers the partisan question.

And New York Times...?

eta* So why is the most calculated, smart, cold, calculated, distant, smart, preparatory president in history a long way from naming somebody to take over?

Dunno. Cabinet members resign without a successor lined up all the time. I'm sure there's some political aspect to the timing, but it's far cry from that to the assumption that there's a huge scandal afoot.

 

[Sand]

2. Larry Allen doesn't like Holder's ties to some banks being prosecuted. Not sure who he's referring to so I can't comment. I didn't like **** Cheney's ties to Haliburton, but that in no way indicated my overall opinion of him as vice-President.

His failure to actually prosecute members of HSBC criminally rather than just shaking them down for a couple billion is worth enough all by itself to be thrown out on his ###. That they were let go with no one seeing jail time was completely, utterly, ####### despicable.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Ignore timschochet. It's doing a bit of trolling in its own weird way.

I'm addressing this in a non-partisan manner -- I'm just wondering what's coming down the pike that even Holder can't withstand it.

Maybe nothing. But where the heck is tdoss's avatar?

You're either addressing it in a partisan manner or an incredibly stupid manner. Since 1900, I can count ONE attorney general who has served the entirety of two full terms. Janet Reno. That's the list. It would be exceptional if Holder had actually served two full terms in the job.

It's a stressful job that engenders a lot of criticism (some fair, a lot of it not) and it pays a fraction of what he could be making doing something else (assuming he goes back into practice) and provides less personal satisfaction than other public service jobs. He was ambivalent to take the job in the first place if you believe what he told the people who worked with him at Covington.

Wow. You're angry. Something wrong?

Sometimes when people call you stupid, they are angry. Other times, you've just said something stupid. I'm not angry. I just don't understand what "non-partisan" point you're trying to make. Ed Meese didn't serve 8 years. Nor did **** Thornburg. Or William French Smith. Or Alberto Gonzalez.

If Holder were worried about something coming down the pike, why on earth would he stay until the next guy is confirmed instead of just leaving office and letting someone serve as interim AG the way Paul Clement and Peter Keisler did when Gonzalez stepped down?

Sure. From a poll of interested citizens:

About a third of respondents didn’t know who Mr. Holder is (37 percent). However, those Americans who knew Mr. Holder gave him the second-lowest “positive” rating of anyone or any organization on the survey at a mere 15 percent. Only Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio had a lower “positive” rating than Mr. Holder. The attorney general’s “positive” rating was less than half of the positive rating of the Republican Party and 27 points behind that of his boss, Mr. Obama, who was rated favorably by only 42 percent of respondents.

This also sounds normal for a controlled, non-impulsive president. From the NYT. A senior White House official said the president was “a long way” from announcing Mr. Holder’s replacement

But keep on keeping on RMH. That sounds about right come mid-terms.

OK, I'll ask this question nicely.

How is that responsive to your initial comment and the discussion it engendered? It appears to be a complete non sequitor. Eric Holder is not popular. Nobody has argued otherwise.

(sic)

See my above comment about the most cold, calculated, smart, calculated, smart president and Holder's resignation leaving our cold, calculated, smart, calculated president a "long way" from naming a successor.

That still doesn't make sense, sorry.

Either Holder is a drag on the president (and a scandal would make him a bigger drag) or he's not. The "cold, calculating, and rational thing" to do in that situation is to have Holder leave office immediately, make an interim appointment and then go about your business picking the successor. This is what happens when any cabinet member leaves office during the term. You pick an interim head and then move forward with the confirmation process with a successor who may or may not be the interim appointment.

When cabinet members leave office in disgrace, they don't generally stick around because that's not good for the president.

 

[rockaction]

Either he's a drag on the president or he's not? No, it wouldn't make sense to have him leave immediately if there was plausible denial and immunity (I do not know the actual levels of immunity, so let's stick to plausible citizen denial). It might behoove the pres to keep him in tow.

And when cabinet members leave office in disgrace, they wind up in jail. But generally circle the wagons first, no?

I'm not even sure of the logic of your points right now. Perhaps I'm being obtuse, and I'll allow for that. (But I don't think so.)

 

[tom22406]

Good news, MSNBC host Al Sharpton is working with the White House on finding a replacement-

The Rev. Al Sharpton said his civil rights organization, the National Action Network, is "engaged in immediate conversations" with the White House as they work to name a successor to Attorney General Eric Holder, who is set to announce his resignation Thursday afternoon.

"We are engaged in immediate conversations with the White House on deliberations over a successor whom we hope will continue in the general direction of Attorney General Holder," Sharpton said in a statement.

http://www.businessinsider.com/al-sharpton-says-hes-helping-pick-the-next-attorney-general-2014-9

So happy to see Al have so much pull with this administration.What could possibly go wrong?

 

[rockaction]

By the way, did anybody catch my "maybe nothing?"

I was more looking for tdoss's avatar, though now that I'm a political ####fight, I'll stick it out.

 

[RCon]

Good news, MSNBC host Al Sharpton is working with the White House on finding a replacement-

The Rev. Al Sharpton said his civil rights organization, the National Action Network, is "engaged in immediate conversations" with the White House as they work to name a successor to Attorney General Eric Holder, who is set to announce his resignation Thursday afternoon.

"We are engaged in immediate conversations with the White House on deliberations over a successor whom we hope will continue in the general direction of Attorney General Holder," Sharpton said in a statement.

http://www.businessinsider.com/al-sharpton-says-hes-helping-pick-the-next-attorney-general-2014-9

If the administration even picks up the phone when Sharpton calls, that would say quite a bit about the administration's competence. I suspect this is simply Sharpton lying out of his ###.

 

[cstu]

Oh goody.... race stuff.

This is what happens when we put black people in positions of power. Hopefully we never make that mistake again.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

Good news, MSNBC host Al Sharpton is working with the White House on finding a replacement-

The Rev. Al Sharpton said his civil rights organization, the National Action Network, is "engaged in immediate conversations" with the White House as they work to name a successor to Attorney General Eric Holder, who is set to announce his resignation Thursday afternoon.

"We are engaged in immediate conversations with the White House on deliberations over a successor whom we hope will continue in the general direction of Attorney General Holder," Sharpton said in a statement.

http://www.businessinsider.com/al-sharpton-says-hes-helping-pick-the-next-attorney-general-2014-9

If the administration even picks up the phone when Sharpton calls, that would say quite a bit about the administration's competence. I suspect this is simply Sharpton lying out of his ###.

What? Obama regularly consults with Sharpton.

Rev. Sharpton meets with Obama on voting rights (Washington Post)

How Al Sharpton became Obama’s go-to man on race (Politico)

Sharpton becomes behind-the-scenes White House adviser

 

[Slapdash]

2. Larry Allen doesn't like Holder's ties to some banks being prosecuted. Not sure who he's referring to so I can't comment. I didn't like **** Cheney's ties to Haliburton, but that in no way indicated my overall opinion of him as vice-President.

His failure to actually prosecute members of HSBC criminally rather than just shaking them down for a couple billion is worth enough all by itself to be thrown out on his ###. That they were let go with no one seeing jail time was completely, utterly, ####### despicable.

Too Big to Jail

 

[CBusAlex]

Sure. From a poll of interested citizens:

About a third of respondents didn’t know who Mr. Holder is (37 percent). However, those Americans who knew Mr. Holder gave him the second-lowest “positive” rating of anyone or any organization on the survey at a mere 15 percent. Only Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio had a lower “positive” rating than Mr. Holder. The attorney general’s “positive” rating was less than half of the positive rating of the Republican Party and 27 points behind that of his boss, Mr. Obama, who was rated favorably by only 42 percent of respondents.

This also sounds normal for a controlled, non-impulsive president. From the NYT. A senior White House official said the president was “a long way” from announcing Mr. Holder’s replacement

But keep on keeping on RMH. That sounds about right come mid-terms.

I'm going to try to address this post in a non-partisan way.

LOL another conservitard KooK brainwashed by Faux News and Rush Dingbat. Take off your white hood and put the burning cross down, sheeple.

 

[dhockster]

Ignore timschochet. It's doing a bit of trolling in its own weird way.

I'm addressing this in a non-partisan manner -- I'm just wondering what's coming down the pike that even Holder can't withstand it.

Maybe nothing. But where the heck is tdoss's avatar?

You're either addressing it in a partisan manner or an incredibly stupid manner. Since 1900, I can count ONE attorney general who has served the entirety of two full terms. Janet Reno. That's the list. It would be exceptional if Holder had actually served two full terms in the job.

It's a stressful job that engenders a lot of criticism (some fair, a lot of it not) and it pays a fraction of what he could be making doing something else (assuming he goes back into practice) and provides less personal satisfaction than other public service jobs. He was ambivalent to take the job in the first place if you believe what he told the people who worked with him at Covington.

I thought Will Farrell finished Reno's term.

 

[Politician Spock]

Too bad he can't take 99% of the rest of DC with him.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Who replaces him, Kamala Harris? Michelle won't like it.

 

[Politician Spock]

OK so if I understand this correctly:

1. Nobody can state (or at least is willing to state) why he should be charged with a crime. Now in truth, only one poster here made that charge- Walking Boot. However, there seems to be a significant number of conservatives who throw this around all the time. I've yet to find any reason given for it.

2. Larry Allen doesn't like Holder's ties to some banks being prosecuted. Not sure who he's referring to so I can't comment. I didn't like **** Cheney's ties to Haliburton, but that in no way indicated my overall opinion of him as vice-President.

3. Fast and Furious got mentioned- it always does. I have stated before that I think this is a non-story.

4. Every other response was very general: "I can't think of one good thing he's done"- etc. That would work as a criticism of the President, but we should review the attorney general in a different way: does he uphold the law? If you don't believe he does, then be specific- at least Fast and Furious represents a specific complaint. But the speeches and political stances that Holder makes really has nothing to do with how he does his job. For instance, one of our most competent attorneys general in the last century was Ramsey Clark, and he was an out and out radical progressive, bordering on Communist, and made all sorts of absurd and incendiary statements. But during his term, he upheld the law. That's all we ask them to do. Now I don't know how great a job Holder has done at this. But conservatives are making out that he's been terrible without any real details, and I think it's all partisan and repugnant.

You aren't even actually reading the thread, are you?

In fairness, Tim never has before, so why start now?

Tim's presence here is a desire to guide us all down his own thought processes. It's a trip that starts off like Alice in Wonderland with all kinds of unique and interesting things to see, but then ends up like the last Matrix movie with lots of worthless fighting that supposedly ends with a ridiculous and completely unrealistic mutually beneficial political agreement.

 

[Joe T]

I wonder what scandal is coming down the pipe...

 

[DocHolliday]

It has been a couple of months since the last scandal. One is due for this corrupt admin.

 

[tommyboy]

he'll probably be indicted for the coordination of his DOJ with IRS and Rep. Cummings office to cover up the IRS tea party targeting scandal

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/217129-issa-accuses-doj-of-under-the-table-coordination-with-house-democrats

 

[cstu]

he'll probably be indicted for the coordination of his DOJ with IRS and Rep. Cummings office to cover up the IRS tea party targeting scandal

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/217129-issa-accuses-doj-of-under-the-table-coordination-with-house-democrats

Tea Partiers don't believe in paying taxes, why would it be illegal to focus on them?

 

[Sweet J]

I know it won't happen, but I'd love to have this guy take over on an interim basis: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/edwin-kneedler-found-a-career-and-a-calling-arguing-before-the-supreme-court/2014/09/10/bfde2bc6-345a-11e4-9e92-0899b306bbea_story.html

Where ever he may go, this guy will always be the smartest person in the room. The smartest people I know are regularly awed by him. Guy is a rockstar to government lawyers in DC who deal with SCOTUS.

 

[tommyGunZ]

he'll probably be indicted for the coordination of his DOJ with IRS and Rep. Cummings office to cover up the IRS tea party targeting scandal

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/217129-issa-accuses-doj-of-under-the-table-coordination-with-house-democrats

Why in the world would we believe anything that Darrell Issa says these days? Is there a bigger clown in Congress?

ETA: Yeah, I'd bet my house that this is a lie. From your link tommyboy: "Issa’s letter leaves some questions unanswered as well. The letter says that the Justice official asked for an Issa staffer by name before giving the pitch that was presumably intended for Cummings’s aides, raising the question of how much collaboration goes on between the Democrats and the administration. Issa added that the Justice official in question ­— Fallon — had never called his communications department before."

So we're supposed to believe that Holder's spokesman called Issa's office by accident, but then specifically asked for Issa's staff member by name? WTF?

 

[Varmint]

"The most transparent administration in history" for years, has blocked the release of papers concerning Fast and Furious citing "Executive Privilege"

On Sept. 23 a judge sides with a lawsuit filed by Judicial Watch and says that the papers are not protected and must be released to the public.

"The most transparent administration in history" says that they will release them in November (after the elections)

Judge disagrees.... says papers must be released by Oct. 21.

Two days later, this piece of #### declares that he's stepping down.

Yeah...nothing to see here.

 

[shader]

He did a great job prosecuting all the documented fraud that caused the 2008 fiasco.

 

[SIDA!]

OK so if I understand this correctly:

1. Nobody can state (or at least is willing to state) why he should be charged with a crime. Now in truth, only one poster here made that charge- Walking Boot. However, there seems to be a significant number of conservatives who throw this around all the time. I've yet to find any reason given for it.

2. Larry Allen doesn't like Holder's ties to some banks being prosecuted. Not sure who he's referring to so I can't comment. I didn't like **** Cheney's ties to Haliburton, but that in no way indicated my overall opinion of him as vice-President.

3. Fast and Furious got mentioned- it always does. I have stated before that I think this is a non-story.

4. Every other response was very general: "I can't think of one good thing he's done"- etc. That would work as a criticism of the President, but we should review the attorney general in a different way: does he uphold the law? If you don't believe he does, then be specific- at least Fast and Furious represents a specific complaint. But the speeches and political stances that Holder makes really has nothing to do with how he does his job. For instance, one of our most competent attorneys general in the last century was Ramsey Clark, and he was an out and out radical progressive, bordering on Communist, and made all sorts of absurd and incendiary statements. But during his term, he upheld the law. That's all we ask them to do. Now I don't know how great a job Holder has done at this. But conservatives are making out that he's been terrible without any real details, and I think it's all partisan and repugnant.

You aren't even actually reading the thread, are you?

We've already established the fact that he doesn't read the posts of others because of his iPhone.

 

[tommyGunZ]

"The most transparent administration in history" for years, has blocked the release of papers concerning Fast and Furious citing "Executive Privilege"

Not that you're able to formulate rational thoughts, but there is nothing inconsistent about being "the most transparent admin in history" and blocking the release of papers citing Executive Privilege.

 

[greenroom]

so who is the TGOP going to blame since punching bag Holder is gone?

Will they look in the mirror?

 

[RaiderBones]

Thank god. This is one of the worst Attorney Generals in my life time. Just horrible.

 

[mcintyre1]

I'm kind of sad about this. I'm not especially a fan,but the crap this guy got from conservatives for 5 years is just repugnant to me.

You can't be serious.

Didn't he say that if anyone disagrees with Obama's policies, that they are racists?

That's cool to you?

Actually what he said was:

There’s a certain level of vehemence, it seems to me, that’s directed at me [and] directed at the president,” Holder said, according to The Hill. “You know, people talking about taking their country back. … There’s a certain racial component to this for some people. I don’t think this is the thing that is a main driver, but for some there’s a racial animus.”

And to be honest that sure seems right to me. Awful lot of racist language and dog whistles used by people who oppose Obama. Take our country back? To what exactly?

I don't think take our country back is race neutral. Like NC says, it's a dog whistle.

only if you think purely in terms of race all the time, like most liberals. You have to keep everyone in their certain classes if you're a liberal, so everyone gets shoved into a 'race' so you can now divide, inflame, and inspire them to keep voting DEM! yea team blue!

if you're a conservative, you just think about the whole country, and don't really give a #### what color you are, or what class you belong to. That really angers liberals that like to divide everyone up into neat little victim groups so they can buy their votes.

This is just so mind bendingly idiotic and lacking basis in reality that I don't even know how to respond. I'm still amazed that people like you are real.

 

[cstu]

I know it won't happen, but I'd love to have this guy take over on an interim basis: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/edwin-kneedler-found-a-career-and-a-calling-arguing-before-the-supreme-court/2014/09/10/bfde2bc6-345a-11e4-9e92-0899b306bbea_story.html

Where ever he may go, this guy will always be the smartest person in the room. The smartest people I know are regularly awed by him. Guy is a rockstar to government lawyers in DC who deal with SCOTUS.

I know it won't happen, but I'd love Samuel L. Jackson to take over permanently.

 

[RCon]

Good news, MSNBC host Al Sharpton is working with the White House on finding a replacement-

The Rev. Al Sharpton said his civil rights organization, the National Action Network, is "engaged in immediate conversations" with the White House as they work to name a successor to Attorney General Eric Holder, who is set to announce his resignation Thursday afternoon.

"We are engaged in immediate conversations with the White House on deliberations over a successor whom we hope will continue in the general direction of Attorney General Holder," Sharpton said in a statement.

http://www.businessinsider.com/al-sharpton-says-hes-helping-pick-the-next-attorney-general-2014-9

If the administration even picks up the phone when Sharpton calls, that would say quite a bit about the administration's competence. I suspect this is simply Sharpton lying out of his ###.

What? Obama regularly consults with Sharpton.

Rev. Sharpton meets with Obama on voting rights (Washington Post)

How Al Sharpton became Obama’s go-to man on race (Politico)

Sharpton becomes behind-the-scenes White House adviser

I'm trying to give the administration the benefit of the doubt here. Honestly, if they put any stock in anything Sharpton says, it reeks of incompetence.

 

[Varmint]

"The most transparent administration in history" for years, has blocked the release of papers concerning Fast and Furious citing "Executive Privilege"

Not that you're able to formulate rational thoughts, but there is nothing inconsistent about being "the most transparent admin in history" and blocking the release of papers citing Executive Privilege.

Absolutely....hide any damn thing you want citing "Executive Privilege".....until a Judge tells you to cough it up.