Eric Holder To Step Down As Attorney General (1 Viewer)

[John Bender]

Probably the dirtiest AG we've ever had.

Don't let the door hit you in the ### on the way out.

Good riddance.

 

[Courtjester]

Thank god. This is one of the worst Attorney Generals in my life time. Just horrible.

And he should be arrested as well....

 

[RaiderBones]

Well at least Al Sharpton is giving Obama an idea as to the type of Attorney General he would like to see replace Holder so the next Attorney General should be a real gem.

 

[Slapdash]

I have been trying to come up with the worst thing Holder has done. There are so many. Fast and Furious, fighting states over marijuana, and failing to hold banks accountable for illegal actions. But the memo justifying assassination of US citizens takes the cake.

 

[Raider Nation]

I see that tim leads this thread in posts. I assume that's going swimmingly?

 

[Don Quixote]

Probably the dirtiest AG we've ever had.

Don't let the door hit you in the ### on the way out.

Good riddance.

Dirtier than John Mitchell?

 

[humpback]

I see that tim leads this thread in posts. I assume that's going swimmingly?

That was all on page 1- he hasn't been back since his typical race crap was destroyed.

 

[Sweet J]

I know it won't happen, but I'd love to have this guy take over on an interim basis: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/edwin-kneedler-found-a-career-and-a-calling-arguing-before-the-supreme-court/2014/09/10/bfde2bc6-345a-11e4-9e92-0899b306bbea_story.html

Where ever he may go, this guy will always be the smartest person in the room. The smartest people I know are regularly awed by him. Guy is a rockstar to government lawyers in DC who deal with SCOTUS.

I know it won't happen, but I'd love Samuel L. Jackson to take over permanently.

Yes, because the person who has argued before the Supreme Court more than any living person is just the same as Samuel L. Jackson.

 

[Sweet J]

Probably the dirtiest AG we've ever had.

Don't let the door hit you in the ### on the way out.

Good riddance.

Dirtier than John Mitchell?

Career may have been a mixed bag, but I liked "Big Yellow Taxi."

 

[Gene Sackman]

I'm kind of sad about this. I'm not especially a fan,but the crap this guy got from conservatives for 5 years is just repugnant to me.

Yep, crazy conservatives wanting criminals to go to jail... WE CRAZY!!!

 

[Tanner9919]

Thank god. This is one of the worst Attorney Generals in my life time. Just horrible.

And he should be arrested as well....

yup.

 

[Sand]

I know it won't happen, but I'd love to have this guy take over on an interim basis: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/edwin-kneedler-found-a-career-and-a-calling-arguing-before-the-supreme-court/2014/09/10/bfde2bc6-345a-11e4-9e92-0899b306bbea_story.html

I don't see a guy like that taking over what has been turned into a hyper-partisan political office.

Good article, though. I had never heard of the guy.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

Keep fighting the good fight Tim!!!

 

[Patrick Bateman]

FBG is inundated with Tea Baggers!!!

 

[rockaction]

I know it won't happen, but I'd love to have this guy take over on an interim basis: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/edwin-kneedler-found-a-career-and-a-calling-arguing-before-the-supreme-court/2014/09/10/bfde2bc6-345a-11e4-9e92-0899b306bbea_story.html

I don't see a guy like that taking over what has been turned into a hyper-partisan political office.

Good article, though. I had never heard of the guy.

I was actually thinking just that.

Well, that and Sweet J's comment about John Mitchell making me

I think he won the thread.

 

[timschochet]

Hi guys. Sorry I've been gone the entire day. I've read the entire thread up to this point, and almost all of the criticism against Holder strikes me as partisan bull####. The one exception being Slapdash's post- although he mentions that Fast and Furious nonsense, he also makes an interesting point regarding Holder and civil liberties.

Slapdash, even if I were to accept your argument, it strikes me that Holder is not particularly significant among the leadership of either party on this issue, and I don't see why he would bear special responsibility on this point.

As for the rest of you, nothing that you have argued particularly impresses me. It's all partisan, representative of dislike for Obama. Certain "scandals" such as Fast and Furious and especially the Fox News manufactured Black Panther story, are quite ludicrous. The IRS and bank scandals strike me as worthless as well, though I'm open to thinking differently if something comes up.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Hi guys. Sorry I've been gone the entire day. I've read the entire thread up to this point, and almost all of the criticism against Holder strikes me as partisan bull####. The one exception being Slapdash's post- although he mentions that Fast and Furious nonsense, he also makes an interesting point regarding Holder and civil liberties.

Slapdash, even if I were to accept your argument, it strikes me that Holder is not particularly significant among the leadership of either party on this issue, and I don't see why he would bear special responsibility on this point.

As for the rest of you, nothing that you have argued particularly impresses me. It's all partisan, representative of dislike for Obama. Certain "scandals" such as Fast and Furious and especially the Fox News manufactured Black Panther story, are quite ludicrous. The IRS and bank scandals strike me as worthless as well, though I'm open to thinking differently if something comes up.

Not one person in this thread was trying to impress you Tim. Get over yourself.

 

[HellToupee]

Hi guys. Sorry I've been gone the entire day. I've read the entire thread up to this point, and almost all of the criticism against Holder strikes me as partisan bull####. The one exception being Slapdash's post- although he mentions that Fast and Furious nonsense, he also makes an interesting point regarding Holder and civil liberties.

Slapdash, even if I were to accept your argument, it strikes me that Holder is not particularly significant among the leadership of either party on this issue, and I don't see why he would bear special responsibility on this point.

As for the rest of you, nothing that you have argued particularly impresses me. It's all partisan, representative of dislike for Obama. Certain "scandals" such as Fast and Furious and especially the Fox News manufactured Black Panther story, are quite ludicrous. The IRS and bank scandals strike me as worthless as well, though I'm open to thinking differently if something comes up.

pom·pos·i·ty
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noun

1. the quality of being pompous; self-importance.
   "his reputation for arrogance and pomposity"
   

 

[timschochet]

Hi guys. Sorry I've been gone the entire day. I've read the entire thread up to this point, and almost all of the criticism against Holder strikes me as partisan bull####. The one exception being Slapdash's post- although he mentions that Fast and Furious nonsense, he also makes an interesting point regarding Holder and civil liberties.

Slapdash, even if I were to accept your argument, it strikes me that Holder is not particularly significant among the leadership of either party on this issue, and I don't see why he would bear special responsibility on this point.

As for the rest of you, nothing that you have argued particularly impresses me. It's all partisan, representative of dislike for Obama. Certain "scandals" such as Fast and Furious and especially the Fox News manufactured Black Panther story, are quite ludicrous. The IRS and bank scandals strike me as worthless as well, though I'm open to thinking differently if something comes up.

Not one person in this thread was trying to impress you Tim. Get over yourself.

well that's good because you didn't.

 

[HellToupee]

Probably the dirtiest AG we've ever had.

Don't let the door hit you in the ### on the way out.

Good riddance.

Dirtier than John Mitchell?

Mitchell is tough to beat

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

The use of deferred prosecution agreements in cases like the HSBC case is a weird thing to lay on Holder. That's just a continuation of the last DOJ regime's policy (the use of the practice became wide spread in 2004). I think its fair to criticize the Holder DOJ for being too timid on Wall Street actors, but it's just weird hearing that criticism from people who had no problem with Harvey Pitt running the SEC. The use of deferred prosecution agreements is a pretty complicated debate. It's easy to see why the DOJ might prefer them, particularly in the financial sector, because they provide an ongoing oversight mechanism that helps protect us from the next cockamamie loophole that some investment bank comes up with. And yeah, that makes them a back door regulatory scheme, but Holder is hardly the architect of that.

 

[jon_mx]

Hi guys. Sorry I've been gone the entire day. I've read the entire thread up to this point, and almost all of the criticism against Holder strikes me as partisan bull####. The one exception being Slapdash's post- although he mentions that Fast and Furious nonsense, he also makes an interesting point regarding Holder and civil liberties.

Slapdash, even if I were to accept your argument, it strikes me that Holder is not particularly significant among the leadership of either party on this issue, and I don't see why he would bear special responsibility on this point.

As for the rest of you, nothing that you have argued particularly impresses me. It's all partisan, representative of dislike for Obama. Certain "scandals" such as Fast and Furious and especially the Fox News manufactured Black Panther story, are quite ludicrous. The IRS and bank scandals strike me as worthless as well, though I'm open to thinking differently if something comes up.

It is not about the scandals, it is about his incompetence and his being a partisan hack who sides with the most extreme elements of his party. His first act was completely screwing up Gitmo. Obama campaigned heavily on shutting down Gitmo. Holder was in charge of coming up with a plan. He took many months longer than anticipated and when he finally revealed his plan no one from either side liked it and it was destroyed by the media. Obama went into back peddle mode immediately and has seemly completely given up on a point he made a huge deal about. Now Gitmo is still open for business and no one cares. Nothing Holder has handled was done with any competence which is why almost everything he touched is a huge headache for Obama. Don't blame the GOP for Holder being an incompetent ###.

 

[Varmint]

I have been trying to come up with the worst thing Holder has done. There are so many. Fast and Furious, fighting states over marijuana, and failing to hold banks accountable for illegal actions. But the memo justifying assassination of US citizens takes the cake.

Allow me to refresh your memory:

1. He called for the trial of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and other al-Qaeda leaders in downtown NYC which showed a failure to understand our war on terrorism.

2.. He accused Americans of being "a nation of cowards" on race while dropping prosecutions of voter intimidation in Philadelphia.

3. He made the stupid decisions which lead to Fast & Furious and then stonewalled Congress's effort to investigate leading the first ever citation for contempt of a sitting AG.

4. He has refused to carry out the laws, as required by the Constitution's Take Care Clause, in areas ranging from Obamacare to immigration and welfare...laws which raised no Constitutional problems.

Holder and his supporters, who knew these decisions violated the Constitution but kept silent because of their partisan support for Obama, will regret their abuse of presidential power.

Future presidents will be able to change the tax rates or refuse to prosecute political supporters under these theories.

Future conservative presidents may use the same claim to start dismantling the overgrown welfare state without the assent of Congress

It will serve him right if he lives long enough to watch future AGs turn his precedents against the bloated welfare state that he loves.

 

[Josie Maran]

This thread needs more Varmint.

 

[jon_mx]

This thread needs more Varmint.

But yet that was actual a decent posting.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Holder did not drop a prosecution for the voter intimidation case relating to the New Black Panther Party. The criminal case was dropped before Obama was inaugurated. There was a civil case pending. The defendants had not answered the complaint, so the DOJ was in position to receive a default judgment. The DOJ instead decided to drop the case against one defendant and to only seek injunctive relief against the other defendant.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

AGs are always loathed by the opposition.

Ed Meese

Janet Reno

Alberto Gonzalez

Eric Holder

etc

etc

etc

 

[timschochet]

Holder did not drop a prosecution for the voter intimidation case relating to the New Black Panther Party. The criminal case was dropped before Obama was inaugurated. There was a civil case pending. The defendants had not answered the complaint, so the DOJ was in position to receive a default judgment. The DOJ instead decided to drop the case against one defendant and to only seek injunctive relief against the other defendant.

but...but those two dudes were scary looking! And Glen Beck said on Fox it was a plot to intimidate white people nationwide, planned by Obama!!

 

[jon_mx]

I am always amaze the thing that upsets Tim the most is how far-right conservatives behave, but is completely blind to the same antics of those on the left. One, it is silly to worry and be upset about the idiots on the left or the right, Two, it is a completely hypocritical to do so. Three, he completely misrepresents the arguments made by the loons as if they are the arguments being made by everyone who opposes whatever topic it is. Tim needs to change his avatar to the scarecrow because all he ever argues anymore is a bunch of strawman points.

 

[jon_mx]

AGs are always loathed by the opposition.

Ed Meese

Janet Reno

Alberto Gonzalez

Eric Holder

etc

etc

etc

Holder was by far the worst of the sucky group. It is sad because the position should be the one of utmost integrity upholding the laws of the land, but instead it is become a position where you put in a partisan hack who most important job is to stonewall.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

AGs are always loathed by the opposition.

Ed Meese

Janet Reno

Alberto Gonzalez

Eric Holder

etc

etc

etc

Holder was by far the worst of the sucky group.

No, not really.

 

[rockaction]

Holder did not drop a prosecution for the voter intimidation case relating to the New Black Panther Party. The criminal case was dropped before Obama was inaugurated. There was a civil case pending. The defendants had not answered the complaint, so the DOJ was in position to receive a default judgment. The DOJ instead decided to drop the case against one defendant and to only seek injunctive relief against the other defendant.

but...but those two dudes were scary looking! And Glen Beck said on Fox it was a plot to intimidate white people nationwide, planned by Obama!!

Yeah, if you can't spell Glenn Beck, don't bother getting all bent out of shape, son.

I don't like Glenn Beck. I just don't go blowharding my ### around talking about people whose name I can't spell. This seems to be becoming a problem in personal politics from what I've seen.

Well, Goodell is my exception. But I'm up above it.

 

[timschochet]

Holder did not drop a prosecution for the voter intimidation case relating to the New Black Panther Party. The criminal case was dropped before Obama was inaugurated. There was a civil case pending. The defendants had not answered the complaint, so the DOJ was in position to receive a default judgment. The DOJ instead decided to drop the case against one defendant and to only seek injunctive relief against the other defendant.

but...but those two dudes were scary looking! And Glen Beck said on Fox it was a plot to intimidate white people nationwide, planned by Obama!!

Yeah, if you can't spell Glenn Beck, don't bother getting all bent out of shape, son.

I don't like Glenn Beck. I just don't go blowharding my ### around talking about people whose name I can't spell. This seems to be becoming a problem in personal politics from what I've seen.

Well, Goodell is my exception. But I'm up above it.

Well you've certainly managed to pinpoint the one major flaw in what I posted.

 

[Slapdash]

AGs are always loathed by the opposition.

Ed Meese

Janet Reno

Alberto Gonzalez

Eric Holder

etc

etc

etc

Serious lack of Ashcroft here. I've hated all of these.

 

[rockaction]

Holder did not drop a prosecution for the voter intimidation case relating to the New Black Panther Party. The criminal case was dropped before Obama was inaugurated. There was a civil case pending. The defendants had not answered the complaint, so the DOJ was in position to receive a default judgment. The DOJ instead decided to drop the case against one defendant and to only seek injunctive relief against the other defendant.

but...but those two dudes were scary looking! And Glen Beck said on Fox it was a plot to intimidate white people nationwide, planned by Obama!!

Yeah, if you can't spell Glenn Beck, don't bother getting all bent out of shape, son.

I don't like Glenn Beck. I just don't go blowharding my ### around talking about people whose name I can't spell. This seems to be becoming a problem in personal politics from what I've seen.

Well, Goodell is my exception. But I'm up above it.

Well you've certainly managed to pinpoint the one major flaw in what I posted.

Yeah, I've managed to point out that you haven't seen his name enough in print, nor cared to bother to spell his name correctly to have any sort of accurate judgment on him. I think when one investigates a persona and offers one's opinion as authoritative, one spells the name correctly.

Or if one cites logical flaws and ####s them up. Maybe we should all be more humble, and let it play out.

As the Emmy-award winning journo said last night: Why did he resign without a reason? Why did nobody ask?

But have fun wanking your No Label about it.

 

[jon_mx]

AGs are always loathed by the opposition.

Ed Meese

Janet Reno

Alberto Gonzalez

Eric Holder

etc

etc

etc

Holder was by far the worst of the sucky group.

No, not really.

Yes it was. It was not only the most partisan of the bunch, he wins hands down on being the most incompetent of the group.

 

[jonessed]

I'm kind of sad about this. I'm not especially a fan,but the crap this guy got from conservatives for 5 years is just repugnant to me.

You can't be serious. Didn't he say that if anyone disagrees with Obama's policies, that they are racists?

That's cool to you?

Actually what he said was:

Theres a certain level of vehemence, it seems to me, thats directed at me [and] directed at the president, Holder said, according to The Hill. You know, people talking about taking their country back. Theres a certain racial component to this for some people. I dont think this is the thing that is a main driver, but for some theres a racial animus.

And to be honest that sure seems right to me. Awful lot of racist language and dog whistles used by people who oppose Obama. Take our country back? To what exactly?

Better prosperity?

Racist!

Al! Al! I got one!

 

[TobiasFunke]

Holder did not drop a prosecution for the voter intimidation case relating to the New Black Panther Party. The criminal case was dropped before Obama was inaugurated. There was a civil case pending. The defendants had not answered the complaint, so the DOJ was in position to receive a default judgment. The DOJ instead decided to drop the case against one defendant and to only seek injunctive relief against the other defendant.

but...but those two dudes were scary looking! And Glen Beck said on Fox it was a plot to intimidate white people nationwide, planned by Obama!!

Yeah, if you can't spell Glenn Beck, don't bother getting all bent out of shape, son.

I don't like Glenn Beck. I just don't go blowharding my ### around talking about people whose name I can't spell. This seems to be becoming a problem in personal politics from what I've seen.

Well, Goodell is my exception. But I'm up above it.

Well you've certainly managed to pinpoint the one major flaw in what I posted.

Yeah, I've managed to point out that you haven't seen his name enough in print, nor cared to bother to spell his name correctly to have any sort of accurate judgment on him. I think when one investigates a persona and offers one's opinion as authoritative, one spells the name correctly.

Or if one cites logical flaws and ####s them up. Maybe we should all be more humble, and let it play out.

As the Emmy-award winning journo said last night: Why did he resign without a reason? Why did nobody ask?

But have fun wanking your No Label about it.

Take a few deep breaths, rockaction. Maybe switch to decaf or something.

 

[jon_mx]

Holder did not drop a prosecution for the voter intimidation case relating to the New Black Panther Party. The criminal case was dropped before Obama was inaugurated. There was a civil case pending. The defendants had not answered the complaint, so the DOJ was in position to receive a default judgment. The DOJ instead decided to drop the case against one defendant and to only seek injunctive relief against the other defendant.

but...but those two dudes were scary looking! And Glen Beck said on Fox it was a plot to intimidate white people nationwide, planned by Obama!!

Yet another strawman.

 

[rockaction]

Holder did not drop a prosecution for the voter intimidation case relating to the New Black Panther Party. The criminal case was dropped before Obama was inaugurated. There was a civil case pending. The defendants had not answered the complaint, so the DOJ was in position to receive a default judgment. The DOJ instead decided to drop the case against one defendant and to only seek injunctive relief against the other defendant.

but...but those two dudes were scary looking! And Glen Beck said on Fox it was a plot to intimidate white people nationwide, planned by Obama!!

Yeah, if you can't spell Glenn Beck, don't bother getting all bent out of shape, son.

I don't like Glenn Beck. I just don't go blowharding my ### around talking about people whose name I can't spell. This seems to be becoming a problem in personal politics from what I've seen.

Well, Goodell is my exception. But I'm up above it.

Well you've certainly managed to pinpoint the one major flaw in what I posted.

Yeah, I've managed to point out that you haven't seen his name enough in print, nor cared to bother to spell his name correctly to have any sort of accurate judgment on him. I think when one investigates a persona and offers one's opinion as authoritative, one spells the name correctly.

Or if one cites logical flaws and ####s them up. Maybe we should all be more humble, and let it play out.

As the Emmy-award winning journo said last night: Why did he resign without a reason? Why did nobody ask?

But have fun wanking your No Label about it.

Take a few deep breaths, rockaction. Maybe switch to decaf or something.

Yep. As always...

More humility. All I ask.

eta* My apologies for the hostility on my end. I've been called "stupid" and "ignorant" in this thread by people who can't even spell their disagreements out correctly, but are still exceptionally bright people. I don't want to be that guy who corrects people needlessly. I won't be. Peace.

 

[timschochet]

I am always amaze the thing that upsets Tim the most is how far-right conservatives behave, but is completely blind to the same antics of those on the left. One, it is silly to worry and be upset about the idiots on the left or the right, Two, it is a completely hypocritical to do so. Three, he completely misrepresents the arguments made by the loons as if they are the arguments being made by everyone who opposes whatever topic it is. Tim needs to change his avatar to the scarecrow because all he ever argues anymore is a bunch of strawman points.

i am always amazed at how much time you spend trying to analyze me. And as always you're almost completely wrong. I have spent time complaining about the extreme left, but not nearly as much, because at this current time the extreme right has a far greater influence on our politics than the extreme left does. That is a reality you're unwilling to acknowledge. And it's not at all hypocritical. In the 1920s Churchill spent much of his time warning about the Soviet Union. In the 1930s Churchill warned about the Nazis and wS quiet about the Soviets. He hadn't changed his mind about the Soviets but they were no longer the bigger threat. It wasn't hypocritical. I don't like extremism and I don't like populism and most of that is coming from the conservatives right now. If that changes I will change with it.

As for the New Black Panther Party, I didn't bring them up, others did. My last post was in direct response to those people . That entire story was a sham created by Fox as an attempt to play on racial fears of some white Americans. It worked.

 

[jonessed]

Dammit. You aren't supposed to drag in Hitler or the Nazis until at least page 5.

 

[jon_mx]

I am always amaze the thing that upsets Tim the most is how far-right conservatives behave, but is completely blind to the same antics of those on the left. One, it is silly to worry and be upset about the idiots on the left or the right, Two, it is a completely hypocritical to do so. Three, he completely misrepresents the arguments made by the loons as if they are the arguments being made by everyone who opposes whatever topic it is. Tim needs to change his avatar to the scarecrow because all he ever argues anymore is a bunch of strawman points.

i am always amazed at how much time you spend trying to analyze me. And as always you're almost completely wrong.I have spent time complaining about the extreme left, but not nearly as much, because at this current time the extreme right has a far greater influence on our politics than the extreme left does. That is a reality you're unwilling to acknowledge. And it's not at all hypocritical. In the 1920s Churchill spent much of his time warning about the Soviet Union. In the 1930s Churchill warned about the Nazis and wS quiet about the Soviets. He hadn't changed his mind about the Soviets but they were no longer the bigger threat. It wasn't hypocritical. I don't like extremism and I don't like populism and most of that is coming from the conservatives right now. If that changes I will change with it.

As for the New Black Panther Party, I didn't bring them up, others did. My last post was in direct response to those people . That entire story was a sham created by Fox as an attempt to play on racial fears of some white Americans. It worked.

You don't criticize the left, you parrot them. The focus you spend on the tea party and the far-right is obscene. Every topic they are dragged into it. Then there are constant layering on the hyperboles, the overly dramatic emotions, and the strawmen. And as extreme as you seem to think the tea-party is, they are not even in the same ball park as the groups you refer too. The Nazis? Come on Tim, you are better than this. That is why I criticize you. I know you are far more intelligent, if you would stop being so hung up on racism and tea partiers...

 

[timschochet]

I am always amaze the thing that upsets Tim the most is how far-right conservatives behave, but is completely blind to the same antics of those on the left. One, it is silly to worry and be upset about the idiots on the left or the right, Two, it is a completely hypocritical to do so. Three, he completely misrepresents the arguments made by the loons as if they are the arguments being made by everyone who opposes whatever topic it is. Tim needs to change his avatar to the scarecrow because all he ever argues anymore is a bunch of strawman points.

i am always amazed at how much time you spend trying to analyze me. And as always you're almost completely wrong.I have spent time complaining about the extreme left, but not nearly as much, because at this current time the extreme right has a far greater influence on our politics than the extreme left does. That is a reality you're unwilling to acknowledge. And it's not at all hypocritical. In the 1920s Churchill spent much of his time warning about the Soviet Union. In the 1930s Churchill warned about the Nazis and wS quiet about the Soviets. He hadn't changed his mind about the Soviets but they were no longer the bigger threat. It wasn't hypocritical. I don't like extremism and I don't like populism and most of that is coming from the conservatives right now. If that changes I will change with it.

As for the New Black Panther Party, I didn't bring them up, others did. My last post was in direct response to those people . That entire story was a sham created by Fox as an attempt to play on racial fears of some white Americans. It worked.

You don't criticize the left, you parrot them. The focus you spend on the tea party and the far-right is obscene. Every topic they are dragged into it. Then there are constant layering on the hyperboles, the overly dramatic emotions, and the strawmen. And as extreme as you seem to think the tea-party is, they are not even in the same ball park as the groups you refer too. The Nazis? Come on Tim, you are better than this. That is why I criticize you. I know you are far more intelligent, if you would stop being so hung up on racism and tea partiers...

jfc I wasn't comparing the Tea Party to the Nazis. I was just trying to demonstrate how if you choose to only criticize one side it's not necessarily hypocritical.

 

[jon_mx]

I am always amaze the thing that upsets Tim the most is how far-right conservatives behave, but is completely blind to the same antics of those on the left. One, it is silly to worry and be upset about the idiots on the left or the right, Two, it is a completely hypocritical to do so. Three, he completely misrepresents the arguments made by the loons as if they are the arguments being made by everyone who opposes whatever topic it is. Tim needs to change his avatar to the scarecrow because all he ever argues anymore is a bunch of strawman points.

i am always amazed at how much time you spend trying to analyze me. And as always you're almost completely wrong.I have spent time complaining about the extreme left, but not nearly as much, because at this current time the extreme right has a far greater influence on our politics than the extreme left does. That is a reality you're unwilling to acknowledge. And it's not at all hypocritical. In the 1920s Churchill spent much of his time warning about the Soviet Union. In the 1930s Churchill warned about the Nazis and wS quiet about the Soviets. He hadn't changed his mind about the Soviets but they were no longer the bigger threat. It wasn't hypocritical. I don't like extremism and I don't like populism and most of that is coming from the conservatives right now. If that changes I will change with it.

As for the New Black Panther Party, I didn't bring them up, others did. My last post was in direct response to those people . That entire story was a sham created by Fox as an attempt to play on racial fears of some white Americans. It worked.

You don't criticize the left, you parrot them. The focus you spend on the tea party and the far-right is obscene. Every topic they are dragged into it. Then there are constant layering on the hyperboles, the overly dramatic emotions, and the strawmen. And as extreme as you seem to think the tea-party is, they are not even in the same ball park as the groups you refer too. The Nazis? Come on Tim, you are better than this. That is why I criticize you. I know you are far more intelligent, if you would stop being so hung up on racism and tea partiers...

jfc I wasn't comparing the Tea Party to the Nazis. I was just trying to demonstrate how if you choose to only criticize one side it's not necessarily hypocritical.

 

[Sand]

Hi guys. Sorry I've been gone the entire day. I've read the entire thread up to this point, and almost all of the criticism against Holder strikes me as partisan bull####. The one exception being Slapdash's post- although he mentions that Fast and Furious nonsense, he also makes an interesting point regarding Holder and civil liberties.

Slapdash, even if I were to accept your argument, it strikes me that Holder is not particularly significant among the leadership of either party on this issue, and I don't see why he would bear special responsibility on this point.

As for the rest of you, nothing that you have argued particularly impresses me. It's all partisan, representative of dislike for Obama. Certain "scandals" such as Fast and Furious and especially the Fox News manufactured Black Panther story, are quite ludicrous. The IRS and bank scandals strike me as worthless as well, though I'm open to thinking differently if something comes up.

Go ahead, then, and explain to me why he chose not to prosecute any HSBC personnel for what they did.

IMO, It's indefensible.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Holder did not drop a prosecution for the voter intimidation case relating to the New Black Panther Party. The criminal case was dropped before Obama was inaugurated. There was a civil case pending. The defendants had not answered the complaint, so the DOJ was in position to receive a default judgment. The DOJ instead decided to drop the case against one defendant and to only seek injunctive relief against the other defendant.

but...but those two dudes were scary looking! And Glen Beck said on Fox it was a plot to intimidate white people nationwide, planned by Obama!!

Yeah, if you can't spell Glenn Beck, don't bother getting all bent out of shape, son.

I don't like Glenn Beck. I just don't go blowharding my ### around talking about people whose name I can't spell. This seems to be becoming a problem in personal politics from what I've seen.

Well, Goodell is my exception. But I'm up above it.

Well you've certainly managed to pinpoint the one major flaw in what I posted.

Yeah, I've managed to point out that you haven't seen his name enough in print, nor cared to bother to spell his name correctly to have any sort of accurate judgment on him. I think when one investigates a persona and offers one's opinion as authoritative, one spells the name correctly.

Or if one cites logical flaws and ####s them up. Maybe we should all be more humble, and let it play out.

As the Emmy-award winning journo said last night: Why did he resign without a reason? Why did nobody ask?

But have fun wanking your No Label about it.

Take a few deep breaths, rockaction. Maybe switch to decaf or something.

Yep. As always...

More humility. All I ask.

eta* My apologies for the hostility on my end. I've been called "stupid" and "ignorant" in this thread by people who can't even spell their disagreements out correctly, but are still exceptionally bright people. I don't want to be that guy who corrects people needlessly. I won't be. Peace.

FWIW I don't think anyone called you stupid or ignorant. They may have said that about stuff you posted, but that's different. People confuse the two all the time on message boards for some reason. I don't consider myself stupid or ignorant but I've definitely said some stupid and ignorant stuff before. Everyone has.

 

[timschochet]

I'm not as up to date on that issue as I should be Sand, but I think that earlier in this thread Ramsay Hunt offered an explanation.

 

[timschochet]

rockaction I enjoy your posts, I think you're a thoughtful guy, and I didn't take anything you wrote as an attack. I would love to have an intelligent discussion or debate with you on the subjects relating to the evaluation of Eric Holder. But I don't want to discuss misspelling; that's silly and not at all interesting.

 

[rockaction]

Holder did not drop a prosecution for the voter intimidation case relating to the New Black Panther Party. The criminal case was dropped before Obama was inaugurated. There was a civil case pending. The defendants had not answered the complaint, so the DOJ was in position to receive a default judgment. The DOJ instead decided to drop the case against one defendant and to only seek injunctive relief against the other defendant.

but...but those two dudes were scary looking! And Glen Beck said on Fox it was a plot to intimidate white people nationwide, planned by Obama!!

Yeah, if you can't spell Glenn Beck, don't bother getting all bent out of shape, son.

I don't like Glenn Beck. I just don't go blowharding my ### around talking about people whose name I can't spell. This seems to be becoming a problem in personal politics from what I've seen.

Well, Goodell is my exception. But I'm up above it.

Well you've certainly managed to pinpoint the one major flaw in what I posted.

Yeah, I've managed to point out that you haven't seen his name enough in print, nor cared to bother to spell his name correctly to have any sort of accurate judgment on him. I think when one investigates a persona and offers one's opinion as authoritative, one spells the name correctly.

Or if one cites logical flaws and ####s them up. Maybe we should all be more humble, and let it play out.

As the Emmy-award winning journo said last night: Why did he resign without a reason? Why did nobody ask?

But have fun wanking your No Label about it.

Take a few deep breaths, rockaction. Maybe switch to decaf or something.

Yep. As always...

More humility. All I ask.

eta* My apologies for the hostility on my end. I've been called "stupid" and "ignorant" in this thread by people who can't even spell their disagreements out correctly, but are still exceptionally bright people. I don't want to be that guy who corrects people needlessly. I won't be. Peace.

FWIW I don't think anyone called you stupid or ignorant. They may have said that about stuff you posted, but that's different. People confuse the two all the time on message boards for some reason. I don't consider myself stupid or ignorant but I've definitely said some stupid and ignorant stuff before. Everyone has.

Thanks. Yeah, I agree about your point, disagree about Holder. It seems wrong.

That said, when someone says you're "being" stupid or ignorant, you take it personally. Especially when they misread your post and then...well, whatever. Regardless, I'm hoping to no longer get hostile about something like this. Just doesn't make sense. Lots of smart people around here, and we disagree about Holder and the process by which he resigned. I'm leaning more and more towards never getting really political here, because it just fractures potential fun with people that I like. Which most people have figured out a long time ago.