Wouldn't this affect the effort they put forth in the remaining games of the season, giving teams that play them a weird sort of advantage?
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Espn reporting Goodell confirmed Patriots using camera (1 Viewer)
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Elimination from the playoffs makes no sense. If you eliminate them from the playoffs none of the starters will play It will be like a free win for every opposing team the rest of the season. Yeah that doesn't affect the rest of the league.
Like they're really gonna roll Brady or Bruschi out there in games that don't mean squat and take the risk of them getting an injury that could affect next season. Please!
It'll be draft picks and thats it. Just a matter of which ones.
Like they're really gonna roll Brady or Bruschi out there in games that don't mean squat and take the risk of them getting an injury that could affect next season. Please!
It'll be draft picks and thats it. Just a matter of which ones.
BigSteelThrill
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Rumor from a friend (Giants fan) in New York: Goodell may make a determination about Bellicheck's career and ask Bill to voluntarily submit to a polygraph with NYPD oversight.
Apparently Goodell now knows that Bellicheck lied to him previously on these matters.
Apparently Goodell now knows that Bellicheck lied to him previously on these matters.
Wadsworth
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The is a new sheriff in town. Wow. Goodell doesn't play around.Edit to add: It seems Roger is making it plain to everyone in the League, do not lie to me. Whatever you've done tell me so we can deal with it, but if you try and lie to me it will be tons worse. I love it.Rumor from a friend (Giants fan) in New York: Goodell may make a determination about Bellicheck's career and ask Bill to voluntarily submit to a polygraph with NYPD oversight.
Apparently Goodell now knows that Bellicheck lied to him previously on these matters.
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NY/NJMFDIVER
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The Niners circumvented the cap, don't recall the particulars but brought Eddie DeBartolo some pretty harsh penalties. Actually I just looked it up, it was Policy and Dwight Clark, fined personally on top of team fines as well as pick forfeitures for stacked mid 90's teams they somehow got togehter.
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jonessed
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If BB lied to Goodell I expect he may see a suspension as well.
The Kansas Comet
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Take away multiple draft picks, fine the team seven figures, and suspend Belichick for a month. This wasn't the Pats' first attempt to violate a rule that is pretty darn clear - it's not like there's some gray area about videotaping opposing coaches. An organization that repeatedly disregarded the rules should be punished as harshly (if not more so) as a player would be for repeatedly violating the personal conduct policy. The Patriots showed very little respect for the game by breaking the rule.
I heard a rumor from a friend in New York, apparently the NFL is actually now looking at throwing the Patriots out of the league for 8-15 years. That would definitely hurt the franchise, but I think it's warranted in this case.
It was a bull#### move by the Pats. They got caught. 2 picks (2nd and a 5th) and a 4 game suspension for BB from the sidelines during the game.
It was a bull#### move by the Pats. They got caught. 2 picks (2nd and a 5th) and a 4 game suspension for BB from the sidelines during the game.
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@ the haters swarming.... funny how the seem to be primarily Steelers/Raiders/Jets fans.... good comedy.So does anyone here actually think Belichick is the only coach doing this?
Seriously?
Hopefully nobody here is that ignorant...
By the way.. I heard from a friend of a friend of a cousin of a nephew of the Commish that Belichick's was going to be castrated and sent to Guantanimo over this. SERIOUSLY
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phthalatemagic
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didn't think of that
stevegamer
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Simply the NFL needs to deal with the following entites in no particular order:
1. The cameraman - fined & suspended without pay sounds about right to me. He'll need to leave the organization and go get a "real job", so that sends a message to the front-line perptrators.
2. Belichick, and other team personnel who knew about this. Fines/suspensions.
3. The Patriots organization. Draft picks/postseason ineligibility.
4. The result of the game. Possible forfeit.
It's going to be ugly. And Goodell needs to come down hard, or it's clear he's playing favorites depedning on who he's sentencing.
1. The cameraman - fined & suspended without pay sounds about right to me. He'll need to leave the organization and go get a "real job", so that sends a message to the front-line perptrators.
2. Belichick, and other team personnel who knew about this. Fines/suspensions.
3. The Patriots organization. Draft picks/postseason ineligibility.
4. The result of the game. Possible forfeit.
It's going to be ugly. And Goodell needs to come down hard, or it's clear he's playing favorites depedning on who he's sentencing.
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I did hear this one as well but MY source said the league was actually leaning toward banishing them to the CFL
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Glad to see the haters are thinking this through and not making any knee jerk reactionsdidn't think of that
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brednbuddah
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forfeit the game? big deal. That won't stop it from happening again. Isn't this the second accusation? Weren't the Pats warned not to do it again?Strip them from two #1 picks. That'll bring it to a screeching halt across the league.
Pittsburgh United
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Oh, cool. Please enlighten us with their names, one verifiable accusation, and maybe just a touch of evidence. A picture of a team employee on the opponent's sideline with a shoulder camera pointed two feet away from the play-caller's rear end will suffice.
So does anyone here actually think Belichick is the only coach doing this?
Seriously?
I realize it's not college, but when college teams violatre rules, they lose bowl eligibility. I actually think playoff suspension this would send a serious message and statement about cheating.
Gr00vus
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So due to this out and out cheating I've now lost all respect for the Patriots team and organization, which is a shame because I had respect for them prior to this incident. This isn't one guy taking a banned substance (Merriman) which is bad enough, this is a decent proportion of (if not indeed the entire) organization conspiring to knowingly break the rules to gain an unfair advantage.
This calls into question all their past achievements under this current regime as well in my book. My experience tells me if they've been cheating in this way, they've probably been cheating in other ways as well.
This activity basically subverts the integrity of the league. I'd expect some pretty stiff penalties levied at the Pats organization as a result.
This calls into question all their past achievements under this current regime as well in my book. My experience tells me if they've been cheating in this way, they've probably been cheating in other ways as well.
This activity basically subverts the integrity of the league. I'd expect some pretty stiff penalties levied at the Pats organization as a result.
SeniorVBDStudent
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Your friend needs to come up with a more plausible fabrication to solicit a response. Tell him to try a more shiny lure.Rumor from a friend (Giants fan) in New York: Goodell may make a determination about Bellicheck's career and ask Bill to voluntarily submit to a polygraph with NYPD oversight.
Apparently Goodell now knows that Bellicheck lied to him previously on these matters.
CrossEyed
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Well, he's apparently either the only one doing it or the only one stupid enough to get caught 4 times. Time to pay for arrogance or stupidity.
So does anyone here actually think Belichick is the only coach doing this?
Seriously?
Hopefully nobody here is that ignorant...
By the way.. I heard from a friend of a friend of a cousin of a nephew of the Commish that Belichick's was going to be castrated and sent to Guantanimo over this. SERIOUSLY
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BeachBums
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I understand that Goodell doesn't necessarily need proof, but it seems to me that a provable link to BB (a tape of him telling the guy to videotape the signals) might be rather tenuous. I think BB's an ### and I wouldn't mind a bit, it seems to me that the punishment should be directed at the organization - forfeiture of the game, loss of picks, etc. - rather than their hobo, err, coach.
CrossEyed
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I'm not sure if you could do this in the NFL without further affecting the integrity of the league.
phthalatemagic
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I guess I don't have all the info. If they were found guilty by the NFL of doing it previously, I guess forfeiting the game isn't enough.
I don't understand the flailing of people claiming that others have been doing it. So what? I just don't think icon and bostonfred have anything to defend so they go off on tangents like this. the VBD guy is making sense though.Oh, cool. Please enlighten us with their names, one verifiable accusation, and maybe just a touch of evidence. A picture of a team employee on the opponent's sideline with a shoulder camera pointed two feet away from the play-caller's rear end will suffice.
So does anyone here actually think Belichick is the only coach doing this?
Seriously?
jonessed
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If the coaching staff new about it the coaching staff should be punished. It should be easy to tell since the cameraman was sending signals. Just look at the tape, see who was receiving them, and watch where that person was going with them.
I'm sorry but explain this one to me like I don't know anything.
How does video tape of the coaches signals help?
I understand there are rules not to do it but really, how does it help?
Couldn't anyone see this with a high powered camera lens from anywhere in the stadium?
J
How does video tape of the coaches signals help?
I understand there are rules not to do it but really, how does it help?
Couldn't anyone see this with a high powered camera lens from anywhere in the stadium?
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Gr00vus
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He probably is. The other alternative is he's the only one so inept at it that he got caught cheating out of everyone who's cheating.I know where my money is (option 1 if you're wondering).The people who are avoiding reality here are the Pats fans - it turns out everyone else (you call them "haters") has been right all along.Caught red handed, casting about for rationalization ("everyone's doing it") is a denial mechanism.
jonessed
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I'm interested in the messing with the headset frequencies and I imagine Goodell is as well.
Banger
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If it didn't help in some way why would they do it multiple times, even after apparently being warned?
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zoonation
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ironic post.....i mean the calling out other homers shtick.add in a helping of assumption and conjecture and you have a totally useless post.@ the haters swarming.... funny how the seem to be primarily Steelers/Raiders/Jets fans.... good comedy.
So does anyone here actually think Belichick is the only coach doing this?
Seriously?
Hopefully nobody here is that ignorant...
By the way.. I heard from a friend of a friend of a cousin of a nephew of the Commish that Belichick's was going to be castrated and sent to Guantanimo over this. SERIOUSLY
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Do you honestly believe this is no big deal?
phthalatemagic
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But help me understand how it helps. How does videotape of the coaches signals help?J
Rovers
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The thing about denial is that it's a temporary respite.... standing on the train tracks with an approaching train and insisting that you are at home on your couch will make you feel better.... until the train arrives.
So does anyone here actually think Belichick is the only coach doing this?
Seriously?
Hopefully nobody here is that ignorant...
By the way.. I heard from a friend of a friend of a cousin of a nephew of the Commish that Belichick's was going to be castrated and sent to Guantanimo over this. SERIOUSLY
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prymetyme25
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I'm not a fan nor a hater but:
I've always thought that the year the Pats beat the Rams, 1) the rams were clearly the better team. 2) It just seemed to be too fitting that The Patriots won with the Patriots (fighters and 9/11) just too much going there. 3) They shut down the "Freaking Rams". I never believed that Super Bowl and never win.
But then they started winning all the time and then I rethought the situation. But now with with story you have to think back.
Colts for like 4 years (they always kinda knew what Peyton was doing)
San Diego (WOW nobody stop LT2, nobody)
nah seriously I dont see how BB doesn't get a suspended indefinitely. Even though I dont think its should be just him though I'm sure other in the FO knew about this. If they didn't he is definitely gets fired.
I've always thought that the year the Pats beat the Rams, 1) the rams were clearly the better team. 2) It just seemed to be too fitting that The Patriots won with the Patriots (fighters and 9/11) just too much going there. 3) They shut down the "Freaking Rams". I never believed that Super Bowl and never win.
But then they started winning all the time and then I rethought the situation. But now with with story you have to think back.
Colts for like 4 years (they always kinda knew what Peyton was doing)
San Diego (WOW nobody stop LT2, nobody)
nah seriously I dont see how BB doesn't get a suspended indefinitely. Even though I dont think its should be just him though I'm sure other in the FO knew about this. If they didn't he is definitely gets fired.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
And I believe the rules state that it is illegal to do it anywhere in the stadium. There was a letter sent out that specifically named this activity as not being tolerated. And they did it anyway. I would guess that it would be more of an issue of helping with future games, rather than the one being taped. Now the radio signals, that's another story.
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
Once again, you don't see the difference if there is now incontrovertible smoking gun evidence of the camera man shooting directly at the sideline, coupled with the whispers from years past, coupled with direct accusastion and presumed denial from a year ago? With all of that in their face, they still were flatout boneheaded enough to do this so brazenly, you don't think they deserve sanction? As far as these other teams doing it. Its a small league compartively, word would spread, at least inside their fraternity if a team was doing this. Because the reckon gathered needs to be implemented and interperted somehow, either through players or coaches, so its actually fairly cavailer to assume that its as widespread as you want to believe to protect the rep of your hometown team.
So does anyone here actually think Belichick is the only coach doing this?
Seriously?
Hopefully nobody here is that ignorant...
By the way.. I heard from a friend of a friend of a cousin of a nephew of the Commish that Belichick's was going to be castrated and sent to Guantanimo over this. SERIOUSLY
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Did the fact that roids were prevalent prevent you from attacking Giambi? While many may have done it, the ones who get caught hang.
That is too funny, I just spit up and out all over my PC.Why is that so funny?
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Wadsworth
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Beccause people who crack codes and understand football can take the tape and quickly break any simple signals. It might not be as much about in game adjustments as having the tape to later study and compare to the actually defenses called. The Pats do play the Jets twice, right?
jonessed
Footballguy
Depends on how it was done. Apparently the camerman was sending signals in real-time. If they were then relaying the information to Brady through the headset as they picked them up he would know the cover schemes and blitz packages.
Rovers
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There are also questions about the radio frequencies the Pats have been using..... can you say live feed?
Yes, I understand it's against the rules. My question is simply: How would video of the coaches making their signals help? I'm not saying it doesn't. I just don't understand how it does. Do you?J
Banger
Footballguy
They see the signals, then the have the eye in the sky to take a shot of the formation early in the game. Then throughout the game when they spot those same signals they know how the Jets are going to line up. thats my theory.
prymetyme25
Footballguy
I was thinking the same thing but what if its not videotape but rather live feed? Any even if it is videotape BB is well known for halftime adjustments and now you see why.Just a thought
Gr00vus
Footballguy
a) Film other team's coaches defensive signals. b) Film subsequent play.c) Analyze film, connect (a) to (b).d) Spy on other team's coaches defensive signals from there on out.d) Know what defense is doing for rest of game prior to snap of every play.e) Mysteriously dominate second half, next game against opponent - like you know what the defense was doing before every play.Understand?More tinfoil hat: Those "extra" radio signals - they couldn't have tampered with the QB helmets so that they could continue to transmit after they were supposed to be "shut off" prior to the snap on those "extra" frequencies? You know, beam the exact defensive call into Brady at the line so he can audible? Nah - couldn't be.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Not to excuse Shawn, but might as well use examples from the same team you previously admired.
NYCGangGreen
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Flat out...this is an even worse scandal for the NFL than the Vick indictment!!
Many of the suspensions handed out by Goodell have been for "character issues" and off field actions. And they all earned some pretty harsh penalties.
In light of all the questions surrounding professional sports with the gambling in the NHL.....referee scandal in the NBA.....steroids in the MLB and NFL......most of those had been actions by a person to help in their personal gain.
This has an organization accused of and somewhat confirmed of cheating and breaking league rules. This is not something Goodell will act lightly on. His main focus is to make the image of the NFL a respectable one, and in a case dealing with blatant cheating he should and most likely will levy a major punishment.
I am not one to speculate on the intricacies of the punishment, but I do expect it to be enough to make the Patriot organization, players and fans cry Foul!
I really am disappointed in the fact that after all that had been done to try and make the league respectable, this type of situation comes to light during week 1.
Many of the suspensions handed out by Goodell have been for "character issues" and off field actions. And they all earned some pretty harsh penalties.
In light of all the questions surrounding professional sports with the gambling in the NHL.....referee scandal in the NBA.....steroids in the MLB and NFL......most of those had been actions by a person to help in their personal gain.
This has an organization accused of and somewhat confirmed of cheating and breaking league rules. This is not something Goodell will act lightly on. His main focus is to make the image of the NFL a respectable one, and in a case dealing with blatant cheating he should and most likely will levy a major punishment.
I am not one to speculate on the intricacies of the punishment, but I do expect it to be enough to make the Patriot organization, players and fans cry Foul!
I really am disappointed in the fact that after all that had been done to try and make the league respectable, this type of situation comes to light during week 1.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Well, if you can match up the videotaped signals with the defense that was run, you can know what defense is coming the next time you see that signal. Seems pretty simple to me.
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