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[David Yudkin]

Roger Goodell is gutless, plain and simple...Wade Wilson gets a 5 game suspension and is told "Coaches are held to a higher standard than players", and Belicheat doesn't have to sit out one game ???????? The money does nothing to BB, he'll make that back with little problem, and the team has 2 first rounders, this is Goodell attemptiing to look tough and make this all go away...I lost respect for Goodell, no sack....

To go over this AGAIN. The league sybtance policy pertains to players AND COACHES. So Wilson was going to get a 4-game suspension. The league conduct policy also says that coaches are held to a higher standard so another game was added.I agree that the "higher standard" did not get applied at all to Belichick, so IMO we have not heard all that there is on this whole deal. Remember, we're getting bits and pieces of things from the media and they are getting quotes from all sorts of people. Who knows what the league looked at, what the hard evidence was, and what was hearsay. I certainly don't know what they uncovered in their investigation, what the lame excuse the Pats gave, and what went on behind closed doors.I agree that it looks like Belichick got off easy, and why that is I have no idea.

 

[Reaper]

To you because your team sucks. That's why it matters to you.

Good one HATER......Meanwhile You're posting here quadrupled over a topic you hardly cared about.....

 

[greenline]

To you because your team sucks. That's why it matters to you.

Good one HATER......Meanwhile You're posting here quadrupled over a topic you hardly cared about.....

I never said I didn't care about the topic man. Relax. All I'm saying is that the way I thought this would hurt most is losing the coach for 4+games which is more than 25% of the season.

 

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[bostonfred]

Goodell referred to this fine as a "maximum penalty". So apparently there are some guidelines. Which makes sense, since I don't think the NFL should be able to fine him a billion dollars.

 

[Sheriff66]

Roger Goodell is gutless, plain and simple...

Wade Wilson gets a 5 game suspension and is told "Coaches are held to a higher standard than players", and Belicheat doesn't have to sit out one game ???????? The money does nothing to BB, he'll make that back with little problem, and the team has 2 first rounders, this is Goodell attemptiing to look tough and make this all go away...

I lost respect for Goodell, no sack....

To go over this AGAIN. The league sybtance policy pertains to players AND COACHES. So Wilson was going to get a 4-game suspension. The league conduct policy also says that coaches are held to a higher standard so another game was added.I agree that the "higher standard" did not get applied at all to Belichick, so IMO we have not heard all that there is on this whole deal. Remember, we're getting bits and pieces of things from the media and they are getting quotes from all sorts of people. Who knows what the league looked at, what the hard evidence was, and what was hearsay. I certainly don't know what they uncovered in their investigation, what the lame excuse the Pats gave, and what went on behind closed doors.

I agree that it looks like Belichick got off easy, and why that is I have no idea.

It doesn't look like it, HE DID get of easy, and the Commissioner wants this story to go away. Goodell is a joke, and gutless...lost all respect for what he was trying to do. You can't pick and choose who you bring the hammer down on, if your going to try and clean up the NFL, what better way to send a message than to throw a suspension on a coach, the leader of one of your franchises, for blatantly cheating. B.S. ruling

 

[Keys Myaths]

New posters,Please realize that when you use the word "haters" in a post, 95% of people that have been here longer than 3 months automatically disregard everything else you're saying. You may be making the greatest point in the world, but we'll never know because of the 5th grade insult.HTH,Keys

Oh, now you're just hating on greenline.

 

[greenline]

New posters,Please realize that when you use the word "haters" in a post, 95% of people that have been here longer than 3 months automatically disregard everything else you're saying. You may be making the greatest point in the world, but we'll never know because of the 5th grade insult.HTH,Keys

Oh, now you're just hating on greenline.

Greenline sucks. I hope he gets suspended for a year and fined and loses three FF draft picks! I lost all respect for him. He should give back all his trophies.

 

[fatness]

What has happened to the claim that the Patriots were intercepting (or interfering with) radio signals of the other teams during games?

 

[greenline]

What has happened to the claim that the Patriots were intercepting (or interfering with) radio signals of the other teams during games?

People claim alot of things.

 

[Keys Myaths]

New posters,Please realize that when you use the word "haters" in a post, 95% of people that have been here longer than 3 months automatically disregard everything else you're saying. You may be making the greatest point in the world, but we'll never know because of the 5th grade insult.HTH,Keys

Oh, now you're just hating on greenline.

Greenline sucks. I hope he gets suspended for a year and fined and loses three FF draft picks! I lost all respect for him. He should give back all his trophies.

Seriously, dude. I've read your posts. You do make some decent points.But, if you really think you're going to change people's minds, you have to drop the "I'm better/smarter than you" attitude. You're really not, and it's insulting to most people. You don't even pull it off well, which is the worst part.

 

[bostonfred]

What has happened to the claim that the Patriots were intercepting (or interfering with) radio signals of the other teams during games?

I don't know if this issue has been closed. I also don't know what would happen if someone came forward with evidence of a past transgression. There's still an outside possibility of both boiling over.

 

[Keys Myaths]

What has happened to the claim that the Patriots were intercepting (or interfering with) radio signals of the other teams during games?

I don't know if this issue has been closed. I also don't know what would happen if someone came forward with evidence of a past transgression. There's still an outside possibility of both boiling over.

I really don't see this coming out/being an issue. This is much, much harder to prove than the videotape.

 

[meanjoegreen]

not sure if this was posted before...but I think this just keeps getting worse. It's easy to laugh at them cheating against the Lions, but remember, the Pats won 28-21 in a game that they had to come back from behind to win in the 4th quarter. This all stinks to high heaven. And Jabba Weiss looks as guilty as Bellichek.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writ...ting/index.html

From the article:

But the things that make this Patriots flap so bothersome are the following:

• The arrogance of the organization, the smugness. We are the greatest, with the greatest coach, a genius, etc. What other team ever had its owner, Bob Kraft in this case, take the Super Bowl trophy overseas in the name of world peace. What'll he take this year, the videos of the defensive signals?

• The fact that this is nothing new. Stories are now coming out of the woodwork that cheating has been a normal modus operandi with this club.

• Good old street crime is one thing. It goes with the history of sports. But this video thing lifts it to a new level of electronic surveillance and into the realm of the hi-tech, white collar crime that we all hate. Put these guys on the business page, for God's sake. There's no place for them in sports.

Last year the Lions played the Patriots in Foxboro. At one point their coach, Rod Marinelli, phoned up to the press box, "There's a camera pointed right at our defensive coach making his calls. Is that allowed?" A Lions' employee called the NFL booth. No, it certainly was not. So the videotaper was stopped. Then after a while he began again. The same process was repeated and he was asked to stop again. Now that's dedication.

"You don't really know for sure," Marinelli said. "I mean you don't know whether he might be doing something for NFL Films or a coaches' show or whatever."



"At one point we had a good drive going against the Patriots," said one Lion who doesn't want his name involved in this mess, but was willing to talk about it. "Mike Martz really had 'em going. They were getting fouled up, lining up wrong, we were moving the ball. Then boom, the headset from the sidelines to the coaches' booth goes out.

"Next possession we were moving the ball again and the same thing happened. You know it only takes two or three plays to mess up a drive."

Matt Millen, the Lions' GM, was talking to Bengals' coach Marvin Lewis at the league meetings. He started telling him the story.

"Yeah, I know," Lewis said. "Headset went out. It happened to me in Foxboro, too."

Marinelli was the defensive line coach in Tampa Bay when the Bucs beat the Patriots in the 2000 regular season opener and did a good job controlling New England's offense. After the game the Patriots' offensive coach, Charlie Weis, was overheard congratulating the Bucs' defensive coordinator, Monte Kiffin.

"We knew all your calls, and you still stopped us," Weis said. "I can't believe it."

He couldn't believe it because the Patriots had videotaped all of the defensive signals in their last preseason game, which was against the Bucs.

The stories are all coming out now, but why hadn't all this been reported to the league office before this?

"At the time, you never know for sure," Millen said. "And if you don't know it at the time, then you don't feel right reporting it later."

As a former Patriots employee, Jets coach Eric Mangini must have known what was going on. So why didn't he have some kind of system of dummy calls set up to foul up the video surveillance?

"He did," says a former Patriots employee whose name cannot be used for obvious reasons. "He had three sets of signals being given, one real, two dummy. He had the same thing going when he beat the Patriots last year. But still, it means extra work, changing the way you prepare for a game. It means both clubs are not playing on the same level field, and that's what's wrong about it."

Corrupt.

 

[greenline]

New posters,Please realize that when you use the word "haters" in a post, 95% of people that have been here longer than 3 months automatically disregard everything else you're saying. You may be making the greatest point in the world, but we'll never know because of the 5th grade insult.HTH,Keys

Oh, now you're just hating on greenline.

Greenline sucks. I hope he gets suspended for a year and fined and loses three FF draft picks! I lost all respect for him. He should give back all his trophies.

Seriously, dude. I've read your posts. You do make some decent points.But, if you really think you're going to change people's minds, you have to drop the "I'm better/smarter than you" attitude. You're really not, and it's insulting to most people. You don't even pull it off well, which is the worst part.

I don't think I'm smarter than anyone. I'm just an adamant defender of New England. In fact, I think I'm pretty much only smarter than most of the goon Patriot fans I see around here. That part is hard for me because so many of them are just bandwagon fans. I really like this MB. I think it's full of smart folks who are passionate. I appreciate the banter and the sort of gamesmanship that rival fans have. I enjoy going to games and getting into it with JETS fans or firing salvos every year on the trip to Buffalo. Rarely does it turn physical. I'm not really looking for fights, I just enjoy the needling. Also, when I was a kid, no one cared about the Patriots. It was really hard growing up watching the team tank 3-13 year after year. No one I knew was a Patriots fan except my uncle, my dad, and then me. It's pretty deep into my character and now that we as a region have sustained success in our sports teams, I am taking advantage of this time in history. Also, Marc Levin, is a smart kid, whoever he is and I enjoyed trying to respond to his posts.

 

[Marc Levin]

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It is pretty disingenuous for you not to take your lumps here for being antagonistic in this thread. You didn't make a prediction, the team received a harsh penalty, and most of us in here are not mad about it. Personally, I believe it was a pretty severe sanction for the crime, It may not have hurt the criminal that much b/c of the criminal's position (coach and owner have lots of money, the coach has job security, the organization has a higher first next year than its original pick). But that does not change the fact that the Pats and BB were accused of violating, and found to have violated, league rules. For that violation, they were subjected to a pretty darned significant sanction - one of, if not the, worst sanction in league history for a team violating the rules. And it could have been much harsher.There's not to much to be happy about here as a Pats fan. You should wipe the sweat from your brow that the penalty was not made worse simply because of the Pats situation. The only thing to be happy about is that the commish punished the crime and not the crminal.

 

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Thanks, I missed it on the emoticon list.

 

[Marc Levin]

Goodell referred to this fine as a "maximum penalty". So apparently there are some guidelines. Which makes sense, since I don't think the NFL should be able to fine him a billion dollars.

I thought he said "maximum fine."Mxiumum penalty would have been loss of the first plus other picks, plus the fine that was imposed (since it was the maximum fine), plus BB being suspended for a period of time, plus forfeiture of the game.That seems to be the maximum penalty he could have imposed under the league rules.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Goodell referred to this fine as a "maximum penalty". So apparently there are some guidelines. Which makes sense, since I don't think the NFL should be able to fine him a billion dollars.

I thought he said "maximum fine."The maxiumum penalty would have been loss of the first, the fine, plus BB being suspended for a period of time

Well, I assume that wouldn't be the maximum. But yeah, that would have been harsher.

 

[Marc Levin]

Also, Marc Levin, is a smart kid, whoever he is and I enjoyed trying to respond to his posts.

Keep reading my posts - you'll probably change your conclusion on this one.

 

[greenline]

Fines mean nothing to me. Fine him 6.3 trillion and help pay off the national deficit. I don't care about fines. I understand it was "the harshest penalty" monetarily, but to me, it means nothing.

The first round pick sucks though. Pats lose maneuvering leverage in the opening round.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Also, Marc Levin, is a smart kid, whoever he is and I enjoyed trying to respond to his posts.

Keep reading my posts - you'll probably change your conclusion on this one.

 

[Marc Levin]

BTW, Keys - I wasn't THAT far off - 22 pages before the thread finally fell off the front page.

For a while it looked like it'd go over 25 before falling.

 

[Keys Myaths]

BTW, Keys - I wasn't THAT far off - 22 pages before the thread finally fell off the front page.For a while it looked like it'd go over 25 before falling.

I'm going to put a Barry Bonds-sized asterisk on that one, gb.There's 15 threads about this on the front page. I'm not so sure about this.

 

[dapunisher]

New posters,

Please realize that when you use the word "haters" in a post, 95% of people that have been here longer than 3 months automatically disregard everything else you're saying. You may be making the greatest point in the world, but we'll never know because of the 5th grade insult.

HTH,

Keys

Oh, now you're just hating on greenline.

Greenline sucks. I hope he gets suspended for a year and fined and loses three FF draft picks! I lost all respect for him. He should give back all his trophies.

Seriously, dude. I've read your posts. You do make some decent points.But, if you really think you're going to change people's minds, you have to drop the "I'm better/smarter than you" attitude. You're really not, and it's insulting to most people. You don't even pull it off well, which is the worst part.

I don't think I'm smarter than anyone. I'm just an adamant defender of New England. In fact, I think I'm pretty much only smarter than most of the goon Patriot fans I see around here. That part is hard for me because so many of them are just bandwagon fans. I really like this MB. I think it's full of smart folks who are passionate. I appreciate the banter and the sort of gamesmanship that rival fans have. I enjoy going to games and getting into it with JETS fans or firing salvos every year on the trip to Buffalo. Rarely does it turn physical. I'm not really looking for fights, I just enjoy the needling.

Also, when I was a kid, no one cared about the Patriots. It was really hard growing up watching the team tank 3-13 year after year. No one I knew was a Patriots fan except my uncle, my dad, and then me.

It's pretty deep into my character and now that we as a region have sustained success in our sports teams, I am taking advantage of this time in history.

Also, Marc Levin, is a smart kid, whoever he is and I enjoyed trying to respond to his posts.

After reading many of the other posts in this thread, I'm not at all surprised to see the annoying use of this term to refer to Marc Levin, who happens to be an adult.

 

[Keys Myaths]

New posters,

Please realize that when you use the word "haters" in a post, 95% of people that have been here longer than 3 months automatically disregard everything else you're saying. You may be making the greatest point in the world, but we'll never know because of the 5th grade insult.

HTH,

Keys

Oh, now you're just hating on greenline.

Greenline sucks. I hope he gets suspended for a year and fined and loses three FF draft picks! I lost all respect for him. He should give back all his trophies.

Seriously, dude. I've read your posts. You do make some decent points.But, if you really think you're going to change people's minds, you have to drop the "I'm better/smarter than you" attitude. You're really not, and it's insulting to most people. You don't even pull it off well, which is the worst part.

I don't think I'm smarter than anyone. I'm just an adamant defender of New England. In fact, I think I'm pretty much only smarter than most of the goon Patriot fans I see around here. That part is hard for me because so many of them are just bandwagon fans. I really like this MB. I think it's full of smart folks who are passionate. I appreciate the banter and the sort of gamesmanship that rival fans have. I enjoy going to games and getting into it with JETS fans or firing salvos every year on the trip to Buffalo. Rarely does it turn physical. I'm not really looking for fights, I just enjoy the needling.

Also, when I was a kid, no one cared about the Patriots. It was really hard growing up watching the team tank 3-13 year after year. No one I knew was a Patriots fan except my uncle, my dad, and then me.

It's pretty deep into my character and now that we as a region have sustained success in our sports teams, I am taking advantage of this time in history.

Also, Marc Levin, is a smart kid, whoever he is and I enjoyed trying to respond to his posts.

After reading many of the other posts in this thread, I'm not at all surprised to see the annoying use of this term to refer to Marc Levin, who happens to be an adult.

Pretty sure 99% of us here are adults. However, it certainly wouldn't bother me to be called a kid because of my age.I don't see why this is a big deal.

 

[greenline]

New posters,

Please realize that when you use the word "haters" in a post, 95% of people that have been here longer than 3 months automatically disregard everything else you're saying. You may be making the greatest point in the world, but we'll never know because of the 5th grade insult.

HTH,

Keys

Oh, now you're just hating on greenline.

Greenline sucks. I hope he gets suspended for a year and fined and loses three FF draft picks! I lost all respect for him. He should give back all his trophies.

Seriously, dude. I've read your posts. You do make some decent points.But, if you really think you're going to change people's minds, you have to drop the "I'm better/smarter than you" attitude. You're really not, and it's insulting to most people. You don't even pull it off well, which is the worst part.

I don't think I'm smarter than anyone. I'm just an adamant defender of New England. In fact, I think I'm pretty much only smarter than most of the goon Patriot fans I see around here. That part is hard for me because so many of them are just bandwagon fans. I really like this MB. I think it's full of smart folks who are passionate. I appreciate the banter and the sort of gamesmanship that rival fans have. I enjoy going to games and getting into it with JETS fans or firing salvos every year on the trip to Buffalo. Rarely does it turn physical. I'm not really looking for fights, I just enjoy the needling.

Also, when I was a kid, no one cared about the Patriots. It was really hard growing up watching the team tank 3-13 year after year. No one I knew was a Patriots fan except my uncle, my dad, and then me.

It's pretty deep into my character and now that we as a region have sustained success in our sports teams, I am taking advantage of this time in history.

Also, Marc Levin, is a smart kid, whoever he is and I enjoyed trying to respond to his posts.

After reading many of the other posts in this thread, I'm not at all surprised to see the annoying use of this term to refer to Marc Levin, who happens to be an adult.

I'm annoyed by your use of "Da"

 

[shakeybarn]

I'm sure it's been mentioned within the 22 pages of thread here.. but curious if the NFL will go back and look at old game tapes... or I'm guessing some journalist will... and see just how often there's a mysterious cameraman... filming in the opposite direction of the game.

Yes there's only one instance of being caught, but it wouldn't hurt to know how many smoking guns there has been.

 

[Keys Myaths]

I'm sure it's been mentioned within the 22 pages of thread here.. but curious if the NFL will go back and look at old game tapes... or I'm guessing some journalist will... and see just how often there's a mysterious cameraman... filming in the opposite direction of the game.Yes there's only one instance of being caught, but it wouldn't hurt to know how many smoking guns there has been.

Unfortunately, there are very few very good investigative sports journalists left. This probably won't happen.

 

[shakeybarn]

I'm sure it's been mentioned within the 22 pages of thread here.. but curious if the NFL will go back and look at old game tapes... or I'm guessing some journalist will... and see just how often there's a mysterious cameraman... filming in the opposite direction of the game.Yes there's only one instance of being caught, but it wouldn't hurt to know how many smoking guns there has been.

Unfortunately, there are very few very good investigative sports journalists left. This probably won't happen.

I think the league should.. just as the NBA supposedly has (I haven't seen any outcome nor count) with regard to known ref/gambling.$500K also is pretty sizeable, regardless of whether he can afford it or not. Course the $100 million dollar fine that F1 handed to McLaren for stealing Ferrari documents, or whatever the exact crime was, is huge. Course those teams have billion dollar budges. Was reading the budgets on F1 teams, by the way.... Ferrari was close to half a billion!!!! And oddly the "manufacturing costs" to produce the cars was around $5M...with "engine" costs upwards of $200M.

 

[BusMan]

I think I'm going to have to bust out the rarely used "Print this topic" feature for inclusion in my 2007 NFL scrapbook. 22 pages isn't exactly a small thread, but this is definitely a microcosm of the highs and lows of the MB.

 

[jonessed]

I'm sure it's been mentioned within the 22 pages of thread here.. but curious if the NFL will go back and look at old game tapes... or I'm guessing some journalist will... and see just how often there's a mysterious cameraman... filming in the opposite direction of the game.Yes there's only one instance of being caught, but it wouldn't hurt to know how many smoking guns there has been.

Goodell wants this to go away. Nothing more will be done about it via the NFL. His punishment made that pretty clear. No real long-lasting damage.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Goodell wants this to go away.

True. By way of that, I suspect many fans in cities where the Patriots will be playing this year, will be making all kinds of crazy signs about cheating and such, to hold up, but do you really think the NFL will show those on television? The NFL television crew will be under strict orders to not show those on television, if at all possible. The best thing those fans can do is get some loud chants going during games. You can't muffle the sound of the fans.

 

[mad sweeney]

I'm sure it's been mentioned within the 22 pages of thread here.. but curious if the NFL will go back and look at old game tapes... or I'm guessing some journalist will... and see just how often there's a mysterious cameraman... filming in the opposite direction of the game.Yes there's only one instance of being caught, but it wouldn't hurt to know how many smoking guns there has been.

Goodell wants this to go away. Nothing more will be done about it via the NFL. His punishment made that pretty clear. No real long-lasting damage.

I heard on ESPN yesterday that the league was looking into past game tapes of the Patriots and also was still looking into the RF irregularities. I don't recall what ESPN broadcast it was on, I was at a Champs at the mall, but I have heard nothing about it since then. But the announcer most definitely said that the league was looking into past Pats game tapes, as well as other teams.

 

[pats3in4]

Goodell wants this to go away.

True. By way of that, I suspect many fans in cities where the Patriots will be playing this year, will be making all kinds of crazy signs about cheating and such, to hold up, but do you really think the NFL will show those on television? The NFL television crew will be under strict orders to not show those on television, if at all possible. The best thing those fans can do is get some loud chants going during games. You can't muffle the sound of the fans.

Yes the networks can and do. The production crews routinely auto-balance the ambient audio from the stadium. This is most noticeable on a home team's score, when you hear a loud roar of the crowd and then a second later that same roar sounds much quieter. Personally, I wish they didn't do this because I like the loudness of the stadium to come through on TV...it makes me feel like I'm there. In any case, if the crowd starts some cheater chants and for whatever reason the NFL wants to quell these on the broadcasts, it's easy to do.

 

[jonessed]

I'm sure it's been mentioned within the 22 pages of thread here.. but curious if the NFL will go back and look at old game tapes... or I'm guessing some journalist will... and see just how often there's a mysterious cameraman... filming in the opposite direction of the game.Yes there's only one instance of being caught, but it wouldn't hurt to know how many smoking guns there has been.

Goodell wants this to go away. Nothing more will be done about it via the NFL. His punishment made that pretty clear. No real long-lasting damage.

I heard on ESPN yesterday that the league was looking into past game tapes of the Patriots and also was still looking into the RF irregularities. I don't recall what ESPN broadcast it was on, I was at a Champs at the mall, but I have heard nothing about it since then. But the announcer most definitely said that the league was looking into past Pats game tapes, as well as other teams.

That would be nice, but I think they are just blowing smoke. I have nothing but my reaction from the current punishment to base that on though. No suspension = one-time shot.

 

[roadkill1292]

Why would Goodell want this to go away? People are talking about the NFL like never before. Now, it may not be what the league's front office and purists want them to be talking about, but people are interested enough to be talking about the damnedest details involving the league. He should be loving this.

 

[Marc Levin]

Why would Goodell want this to go away? People are talking about the NFL like never before. Now, it may not be what the league's front office and purists want them to be talking about, but people are interested enough to be talking about the damnedest details involving the league. He should be loving this.

Are you suggesting the NFL has had a problem with media outlets not talking enough NFL during the season?Are you suggesting a cheating fiasco - and continuation of it - will draw fans to the game?

 

[yabahos]

I'm sure it's been mentioned within the 22 pages of thread here.. but curious if the NFL will go back and look at old game tapes... or I'm guessing some journalist will... and see just how often there's a mysterious cameraman... filming in the opposite direction of the game.Yes there's only one instance of being caught, but it wouldn't hurt to know how many smoking guns there has been.

Goodell wants this to go away. Nothing more will be done about it via the NFL. His punishment made that pretty clear. No real long-lasting damage.

I heard on ESPN yesterday that the league was looking into past game tapes of the Patriots and also was still looking into the RF irregularities. I don't recall what ESPN broadcast it was on, I was at a Champs at the mall, but I have heard nothing about it since then. But the announcer most definitely said that the league was looking into past Pats game tapes, as well as other teams.

Last night on ESPN and this morning on Mike & Mike - Mort was talking about the judgement and what the league was doing moving forward. He said that his sources say that the league is "conducting its own review" of the Pats video procedures. He also went on to say for all intensive purposes this was a league investigation but the NFL hates to use the word investigation. He wasn't sure if the review would extend to RF issues etc. but he did mention that this might be a way to appease other owners/coaches in the NFL that were calling for BB head on a platter. I would imagine that the NFL security people are going to be all over Gillette for the next few home games at a minimum. Mort went on to speculate that should the NFL find any evidence of other types of wrong doing - such as RF interference etc. - there will be a more severe punishment leveled agains BB and the team. It will certainly be a disruption to the day-to-day operations of the team and a distraction. From my line of work one thing I know for certain. You never want a regulatory agency with the power to levy fines/penalties (think IRS, EPA, etc) coming into your business.

 

[roadkill1292]

Why would Goodell want this to go away? People are talking about the NFL like never before. Now, it may not be what the league's front office and purists want them to be talking about, but people are interested enough to be talking about the damnedest details involving the league. He should be loving this.

Are you suggesting the NFL has had a problem with media outlets not talking enough NFL during the season?Are you suggesting a cheating fiasco - and continuation of it - will draw fans to the game?

I'm suggesting that controversies and even bad player conduct don't do the league any harm. For this particular corporate machine, the buzz is the thing and whether it's a positive or negative buzz makes little difference, as long as people are talking about every little nuance in the first place. The "black eyes" that worry so many in here have virtually no impact as long as the league protects the core of its popularity -- competitiveness.

 

[Shrek]

Why would Goodell want this to go away? People are talking about the NFL like never before. Now, it may not be what the league's front office and purists want them to be talking about, but people are interested enough to be talking about the damnedest details involving the league. He should be loving this.

Are you suggesting the NFL has had a problem with media outlets not talking enough NFL during the season?Are you suggesting a cheating fiasco - and continuation of it - will draw fans to the game?

I'm suggesting that controversies and even bad player conduct don't do the league any harm. For this particular corporate machine, the buzz is the thing and whether it's a positive or negative buzz makes little difference, as long as people are talking about every little nuance in the first place. The "black eyes" that worry so many in here have virtually no impact as long as the league protects the core of its popularity -- competitiveness.

Due to the fact that it's the Patriots, and because it's allegedly cheating, this may be the one exception to the notion that bad publicity will harm the league.Think about it. Even people who don't watch the NFL might do it now. The majority of women don't watch football like guys do, but they watch the SB. It's a social event. And if the name of The Patriots™ doesn't ring a bell with them, Tom Brady's face certainly does. The Patriots have been America's little darling ever since the win over the Rams in the SB.Couple this with the fact that everyone loves dirty laundry as long as it's not their own, and you have a deliciously sleazy story that even the most casual fan will at least tune in for awhile to see. In light of recent events, I'll bet that Chargers-Pats game will be the most watched non-MNF game of the year.

 

[Marc Levin]

Why would Goodell want this to go away? People are talking about the NFL like never before. Now, it may not be what the league's front office and purists want them to be talking about, but people are interested enough to be talking about the damnedest details involving the league. He should be loving this.

Are you suggesting the NFL has had a problem with media outlets not talking enough NFL during the season?Are you suggesting a cheating fiasco - and continuation of it - will draw fans to the game?

I'm suggesting that controversies and even bad player conduct don't do the league any harm. For this particular corporate machine, the buzz is the thing and whether it's a positive or negative buzz makes little difference, as long as people are talking about every little nuance in the first place. The "black eyes" that worry so many in here have virtually no impact as long as the league protects the core of its popularity -- competitiveness.

I'll bet that Chargers-Pats game will be the most watched non-MNF game of the year.

If that was what he meant, I agree. Pats-Chargers would have been highly watched by most NFL fans anyway. With the recent news, I am betting a lot more casual fans will make time for that game.Putting out a good product and good newsmakers (like Peyton manning and Chad Johnson) are what sells the NFL to new viewers.As far as whether Goodell wants this talked about b/c it has a chance of increasing the game's viewership on a more widespread basis than this weekend's game, I am not buying that sale. And I think that is one of the main reasons he didn't suspend Belichick even one game - b/c that would have continued high media coverage for the entire time BB remained suspended.

 

[Ike Turner]

Roger Goodell is gutless, plain and simple... Wade Wilson gets a 5 game suspension and is told "Coaches are held to a higher standard than players", and Belicheat doesn't have to sit out one game ???????? The money does nothing to BB, he'll make that back with little problem, and the team has 2 first rounders, this is Goodell attemptiing to look tough and make this all go away...I lost respect for Goodell, no sack....

These are exactly my sentiments. Goodell, for all of his tough talk about cracking down and getting tough, is shown to be just another ball-less suit. I really hated that he blatantly showed that there's a difference between how he governs the Patriots and how he governs the rest of the league (Pacman, Wade Wilson, Perry, Tank, etc).The only thing that surprised me about the whole event was that Mangini didn't erupt like a volcano and hold a 90 minute press conference brutalizing Goodell and his extreme non-chalance at this issue.This punishment is a joke, with the exclamation point being that the NFL will never see a penny of the $750,000 owed them by the Patriots.Edit: I've been on vacation for a week, so this is my first time being able to post about it. Sorry if it's all been played out by now.

 

[Ike Turner]

The Patriots have been America's little darling ever since the win over the Rams in the SB.

Somewhere, in a dark film room, Mike Martz is reviewing tape of their sideline during that Superbowl to see if any Patriot cameramen were there.

 

[Ike Turner]

not sure if this was posted before...but I think this just keeps getting worse. It's easy to laugh at them cheating against the Lions, but remember, the Pats won 28-21 in a game that they had to come back from behind to win in the 4th quarter. This all stinks to high heaven. And Jabba Weiss looks as guilty as Bellichek.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writ...ting/index.html

From the article:

But the things that make this Patriots flap so bothersome are the following:

• The arrogance of the organization, the smugness. We are the greatest, with the greatest coach, a genius, etc. What other team ever had its owner, Bob Kraft in this case, take the Super Bowl trophy overseas in the name of world peace. What'll he take this year, the videos of the defensive signals?

• The fact that this is nothing new. Stories are now coming out of the woodwork that cheating has been a normal modus operandi with this club.

• Good old street crime is one thing. It goes with the history of sports. But this video thing lifts it to a new level of electronic surveillance and into the realm of the hi-tech, white collar crime that we all hate. Put these guys on the business page, for God's sake. There's no place for them in sports.

Last year the Lions played the Patriots in Foxboro. At one point their coach, Rod Marinelli, phoned up to the press box, "There's a camera pointed right at our defensive coach making his calls. Is that allowed?" A Lions' employee called the NFL booth. No, it certainly was not. So the videotaper was stopped. Then after a while he began again. The same process was repeated and he was asked to stop again. Now that's dedication.

"You don't really know for sure," Marinelli said. "I mean you don't know whether he might be doing something for NFL Films or a coaches' show or whatever."



"At one point we had a good drive going against the Patriots," said one Lion who doesn't want his name involved in this mess, but was willing to talk about it. "Mike Martz really had 'em going. They were getting fouled up, lining up wrong, we were moving the ball. Then boom, the headset from the sidelines to the coaches' booth goes out.

"Next possession we were moving the ball again and the same thing happened. You know it only takes two or three plays to mess up a drive."

Matt Millen, the Lions' GM, was talking to Bengals' coach Marvin Lewis at the league meetings. He started telling him the story.

"Yeah, I know," Lewis said. "Headset went out. It happened to me in Foxboro, too."

Marinelli was the defensive line coach in Tampa Bay when the Bucs beat the Patriots in the 2000 regular season opener and did a good job controlling New England's offense. After the game the Patriots' offensive coach, Charlie Weis, was overheard congratulating the Bucs' defensive coordinator, Monte Kiffin.

"We knew all your calls, and you still stopped us," Weis said. "I can't believe it."

He couldn't believe it because the Patriots had videotaped all of the defensive signals in their last preseason game, which was against the Bucs.

The stories are all coming out now, but why hadn't all this been reported to the league office before this?

"At the time, you never know for sure," Millen said. "And if you don't know it at the time, then you don't feel right reporting it later."

As a former Patriots employee, Jets coach Eric Mangini must have known what was going on. So why didn't he have some kind of system of dummy calls set up to foul up the video surveillance?

"He did," says a former Patriots employee whose name cannot be used for obvious reasons. "He had three sets of signals being given, one real, two dummy. He had the same thing going when he beat the Patriots last year. But still, it means extra work, changing the way you prepare for a game. It means both clubs are not playing on the same level field, and that's what's wrong about it."

This article makes me wish this site didn't have a language filter.

 

[Gravity]

If the Pats get reamed on this one and I'm Bob Kraft, I'm telling the commish that I will be investigating all 31 franchises and to expect a full report on what covert operations they are engaged in. And I'd convey that I expect similar penalties handed out to those teams just like they did to my own when I provide clear and concise evidence that shows what they are doing.

The problem here for the pats is that they still stand to lose the most....they are the modern NFL "dynasty" - a deeper investigation could reveal stuff on every team...but its the dynasty that would get tarnished the most. If a deeper investigation went back to superbowls and playoffs.....

 

[roadkill1292]

The Patriots have been America's little darling ever since the win over the Rams in the SB.

Somewhere, in a dark film room, Mike Martz is reviewing tape of their sideline during that Superbowl to see if any Patriot cameramen were there.

Not that it matters but that's an unfortunate edit there. I didn't say that.

 

[cobalt_27]

Why would Goodell want this to go away? People are talking about the NFL like never before. Now, it may not be what the league's front office and purists want them to be talking about, but people are interested enough to be talking about the damnedest details involving the league. He should be loving this.

Yes. I'm sure this has brought in new fans that would, otherwise, never have cared about the NFL. I'm sure this has rejuvenated the interest of existing football fans who were, otherwise, bored already after Week 1.Goodell must be loving this, indeed.

 

[brobe4]

Why would Goodell want this to go away? People are talking about the NFL like never before. Now, it may not be what the league's front office and purists want them to be talking about, but people are interested enough to be talking about the damnedest details involving the league. He should be loving this.

Yes. I'm sure this has brought in new fans that would, otherwise, never have cared about the NFL. I'm sure this has rejuvenated the interest of existing football fans who were, otherwise, bored already after Week 1.Goodell must be loving this, indeed.

This spygate thing is not good for the nfl it is a black eye to the league. Commish wishes it would have never happened.When your product starts getting more negatives then postives said about it that is not good for business. This has not been a good year for the nfl.