ESPN's 30 for 30- Buffalo Bills episode premieres 12/12 (2 Viewers)

[Limp Ditka]

I'm confused.

Russians were supposed to be mean, godless monsters.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

I'm confused.

Russians were supposed to be mean, godless monsters.

Your face is a mean, godless monster.

 

[Limp Ditka]

I'm confused.

Russians were supposed to be mean, godless monsters.

Your face is a mean, godless monster.

Genetics can be a cruel #####

 

[matuski]

Yea, but it is hockey.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Anastasia, how you doin'?

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

One of my favorite 30 for 30s. This is great

 

[Limp Ditka]

One of my favorite 30 for 30s. This is great

Needs moar Anastasia

 

[uconnalum]

Gretzky never won Olympic Gold as a player.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Gretzky never won Olympic Gold as a player.

This is relevant how?

 

[MindCrime]

Recording the late showing, can't wait to see this. Thanks for the heads up!

 

[HughHoney]

That was great.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

That was great.

Yeah it really was. Considering Fetisov opened it up for guys like Federov and others, he's someone I have great admiration for.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Really liked the part about Gretzky

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Great 30 for 30.

 

[Raider Nation]

That was phenomenal. Goosebumps all over again. It got a little dusty in here when Eruzione pumped home the game-winner.



Good to see that one Russian crybaby had his excuses all mapped out for the program. The whole team was out boozing and banging the USSR figure skating team the night before, evidently.

 

[Limp Ditka]

That was phenomenal. Goosebumps all over again. It got a little dusty in here when Eruzione pumped home the game-winner. Good to see that one Russian crybaby had his excuses all mapped out for the program. The whole team was out boozing and banging the USSR figure skating team the night before, evidently.

Nothing like a little prison sex

 

[Limp Ditka]

That was phenomenal. Goosebumps all over again. It got a little dusty in here when Eruzione pumped home the game-winner.

There is no sporting moment that gets me like this does. Even SB XX doesn't hit my psyche like this

 

[Raider Nation]

That was phenomenal. Goosebumps all over again. It got a little dusty in here when Eruzione pumped home the game-winner.

There is no sporting moment that gets me like this does. Even SB XX doesn't hit my psyche like this

It's really amazing. Nothing like National pride I guess, and this was the pinnacle of that.

 

[Limp Ditka]

That was phenomenal. Goosebumps all over again. It got a little dusty in here when Eruzione pumped home the game-winner.

There is no sporting moment that gets me like this does. Even SB XX doesn't hit my psyche like this

It's really amazing. Nothing like National pride I guess, and this was the pinnacle of that.

Time and place. I try to explain to my son what it was like and I just can't do it justice. I guess the closest thing we have to the Russians, in this day and age, is terrorism. They're a fine adversary, but its not like they'll be walking behind a flag during the opening ceremonies at the next Olympics.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

One of my favorite 30 for 30s. This is great

Needs moar Anastasia

http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Slava+Fetisov/Anastasia+Fetisova/Red+Army+Photo+Call+52nd+New+York+Film+Festival/_B0CNPDrTaF

 

[Tom Servo]

That was phenomenal. Goosebumps all over again. It got a little dusty in here when Eruzione pumped home the game-winner. Good to see that one Russian crybaby had his excuses all mapped out for the program. The whole team was out boozing and banging the USSR figure skating team the night before, evidently.

Nothing like a little prison sex

Personal experience?

 

[belljr]

Its recorded can't wait to see it. As a 9 year old when it happened, and a huge hockey fan - it's one of my favorite sporting memories with my pop.

I meant to download it on my phone before work and I forgot

 

[Limp Ditka]

That was phenomenal. Goosebumps all over again. It got a little dusty in here when Eruzione pumped home the game-winner. Good to see that one Russian crybaby had his excuses all mapped out for the program. The whole team was out boozing and banging the USSR figure skating team the night before, evidently.

Nothing like a little prison sex

Personal experience?

That wasn't you biting the pillow?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

The Lake Placid minimum security prison angle was pretty damn solid. Lol

Czechoslovakia has better accommodations!

 

[Tom Servo]

That was phenomenal. Goosebumps all over again. It got a little dusty in here when Eruzione pumped home the game-winner. Good to see that one Russian crybaby had his excuses all mapped out for the program. The whole team was out boozing and banging the USSR figure skating team the night before, evidently.

Nothing like a little prison sex

Personal experience?

That wasn't you biting the pillow?

Sorry, not me.

 

[TheAristocrat]

Man, that was outstanding.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Wow. Highly recommended.

It was great hearing Tretiak and Myshkin break down what they saw on the USA goals. Tretiak's recollection of Johnson's goal was fantastic.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Took about 2 seconds of Bobby Clarke footage to have me rooting for CCCP over those filthy Canadians.

What a piece of ####

 

[Raider Nation]

Took about 2 seconds of Bobby Clarke footage to have me rooting for CCCP over those filthy Canadians.

What a piece of ####

I knew I forgot to mention something. That slash was despicable.

 

[RBM]

Took about 2 seconds of Bobby Clarke footage to have me rooting for CCCP over those filthy Canadians.

What a piece of ####

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Terrible

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Took about 2 seconds of Bobby Clarke footage to have me rooting for CCCP over those filthy Canadians.

What a piece of ####

I knew I forgot to mention something. That slash was despicable.

NBC Sports produced a fantastic documentary about that Canada/CCCP series. It's mostly from the Canada perspective. Extensive game footage, some practice film, and lively discussion of what it was like to travel to the Soviet Union in the 1970s.

 

[Dentist]

For anyone I think this is the 2001 hbo documentary

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=huokfPgsZok

You can't even equate this to any upset we've ever seen. Not Jets/Colts. Not even Douglas/Tyson. That Russian team would have won the Stanley Cup every year. The Russian coach arrogantly pulling Tretiak was a killer.

Fun facts from Wiki:

- In the four Olympics prior to 1980, Soviet teams had gone 27–1–1 and outscored the opposition 175–44.

- In head-to-head match-ups against the United States, the cumulative score over that period was 28–7.

- In exhibitions that year, Soviet club teams went 5–3–1 against NHL teams, and a year earlier the Soviet national team had routed the NHL All-Stars 6–0 to win the Challenge Cup.

- In the last exhibition game against the Soviets at Madison Square Garden on February 9, 1980, the Soviets beat the U.S. 10–3.

This was just a once-in-a-lifetime fluke thing.

Effing one-outers.

Further proof that the result on the field doesn't always tell you who the better team really is.

And why it's completely stupid to not have a best of 7 system set up.

As an aside though, the NHL has a best of 7 system and sometimes that doesn't work... i don't follow hockey that closely, but somehow it seems that sports where it is incredibly difficult to score tend to have issues with variance more so than say the NBA where scoring happens regularly.

I think when you put teams in a position where they are allowed to replicate their skill over and over again, you find out who has more of that skill. Scoring a goal in soccer or hockey almost seems "fluke-ish" so it's possible for a team to actually outplay the other team by a wide margin, yet still lose 1-0 or 2-1 or something.

Scoring in the NBA happens early and often so by the time a 7 game set has completed there have been hundreds of shots making the odds of a gargantuan upset fairly unlikely in lieu of some type of injury situation.

This is why the NBA champion to me (despite the fact that I don't give a crap about the sport) is by far the most accurate representation of how a playoff team can produce the best team as its champion the most frequently whereas MLB, NHL, any sport with 1 off brackets (NFL, NCAA Men's), produce a tournament champion that is frequently completely detached from who the best team is.

 

[Raider Nation]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[Ditka Butkus]

I'm confused.

Russians were supposed to be mean, godless monsters.

Apparently they are again.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Took about 2 seconds of Bobby Clarke footage to have me rooting for CCCP over those filthy Canadians.

What a piece of ####

I knew I forgot to mention something. That slash was despicable.

NBC Sports produced a fantastic documentary about that Canada/CCCP series. It's mostly from the Canada perspective. Extensive game footage, some practice film, and lively discussion of what it was like to travel to the Soviet Union in the 1970s.

The doc is "Cold War On Ice", and appears to be available in YouTube.

 

[McGarnicle]

I never knew the Olympic village was a ####### prison.

 

[Tom Servo]

I never knew the Olympic village was a ####### prison.

You missed the prison sex joke upthread?

 

[jon_mx]

I need to catch this next airing unless it is online somewhere.

 

[jon_mx]

Easily the greatest sports moment of the modern era. Probably 2nd all-time greatest miracle behind Moses parting of the Red Sea. Be cool to see the Soviet perspective.

 

[This_Guy]

Has any one seen "Red Army" as well? I'd like to hear how they stack up to each other. (I also find it odd that there essentially 2 movies about the same thing coming out around the same time)

 

[belljr]

1) the daughter is hot

2) I love Clarke but that was over the line. Not excusing it but back then many people were liberal with the stick but that was horrible

3) when they played the pro series and showed the Rangers they never showed the flyers. I wanted to see their point of view on how bad it was. They refused to come back on the ice because of the roughness and I'm sure over the line stuff. Would have liked a couple minutes on it.

4) the guy saying the lodging was great

5) Was an outstanding 30 for 30

I was at game 1 and 2 of the cup finals Detroit vs flyers. They smoked us

 

[General Tso]

Just watched it. Easily one of the best 30 for 30's ever made. Went a little long, but I can see how the producers wanted to follow it all the way through to Fetisov breaking into the NHL. Glad they focused on the beginnings of hockey in the USSR with Tarasov. That right there was worth the price of admission. Talk about a great Coach... I can't think of anyone comparable in any US sport, past or present. I look forward to reading and learning more about this guy.

I was a little disappointed with the Russian players' accounts of the game after 35 years. Not sure if it was edited that way on purpose, but there weren't a lot of positive comments praising the Americans for having the game of their lives. To a man they seemed to chalk it up to good fortune with not much else to say. But as I'm watching the game It's completely apparent to me just how hard the Americans played, and how ntensely focused they were. And Craig was an amazing goalie that night. A few of the Russians gave a few props here and there (begrudgingly), but for the most part it came off as sour grapes to me.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Just watched it. Easily one of the best 30 for 30's ever made. Went a little long, but I can see how the producers wanted to follow it all the way through to Fetisov breaking into the NHL. Glad they focused on the beginnings of hockey in the USSR with Tarasov. That right there was worth the price of admission. Talk about a great Coach... I can't think of anyone comparable in any US sport, past or present. I look forward to reading and learning more about this guy.

I was a little disappointed with the Russian players' accounts of the game after 35 years. Not sure if it was edited that way on purpose, but there weren't a lot of positive comments praising the Americans for having the game of their lives. To a man they seemed to chalk it up to good fortune with not much else to say. But as I'm watching the game It's completely apparent to me just how hard the Americans played, and how ntensely focused they were. And Craig was an amazing goalie that night. A few of the Russians gave a few props here and there (begrudgingly), but for the most part it came off as sour grapes to me.

They gave them props. One guy said the American team was completely different than the one they played earlier and that in the 2nd period realized the Americans were playing faster than them.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Just watched it. Easily one of the best 30 for 30's ever made. Went a little long, but I can see how the producers wanted to follow it all the way through to Fetisov breaking into the NHL. Glad they focused on the beginnings of hockey in the USSR with Tarasov. That right there was worth the price of admission. Talk about a great Coach... I can't think of anyone comparable in any US sport, past or present. I look forward to reading and learning more about this guy.

I was a little disappointed with the Russian players' accounts of the game after 35 years. Not sure if it was edited that way on purpose, but there weren't a lot of positive comments praising the Americans for having the game of their lives. To a man they seemed to chalk it up to good fortune with not much else to say. But as I'm watching the game It's completely apparent to me just how hard the Americans played, and how ntensely focused they were. And Craig was an amazing goalie that night. A few of the Russians gave a few props here and there (begrudgingly), but for the most part it came off as sour grapes to me.

You actually expect the Russian team to view/remember that game the same way that we do?

 

[General Tso]

Just watched it. Easily one of the best 30 for 30's ever made. Went a little long, but I can see how the producers wanted to follow it all the way through to Fetisov breaking into the NHL. Glad they focused on the beginnings of hockey in the USSR with Tarasov. That right there was worth the price of admission. Talk about a great Coach... I can't think of anyone comparable in any US sport, past or present. I look forward to reading and learning more about this guy.

I was a little disappointed with the Russian players' accounts of the game after 35 years. Not sure if it was edited that way on purpose, but there weren't a lot of positive comments praising the Americans for having the game of their lives. To a man they seemed to chalk it up to good fortune with not much else to say. But as I'm watching the game It's completely apparent to me just how hard the Americans played, and how ntensely focused they were. And Craig was an amazing goalie that night. A few of the Russians gave a few props here and there (begrudgingly), but for the most part it came off as sour grapes to me.

They gave them props. One guy said the American team was completely different than the one they played earlier and that in the 2nd period realized the Americans were playing faster than them.

Yeah, those were the the props I was referring to. But there was a lot of other talk of luck and excuse making (bad coaching, Russian goalie getting pulled, out partying the night before...) Seemed like a great opportunity, after 35 years of historical context on what an amazing accomplishment it was for the American kids, to be a little more gracious.

 

[General Tso]

Just watched it. Easily one of the best 30 for 30's ever made. Went a little long, but I can see how the producers wanted to follow it all the way through to Fetisov breaking into the NHL. Glad they focused on the beginnings of hockey in the USSR with Tarasov. That right there was worth the price of admission. Talk about a great Coach... I can't think of anyone comparable in any US sport, past or present. I look forward to reading and learning more about this guy.

I was a little disappointed with the Russian players' accounts of the game after 35 years. Not sure if it was edited that way on purpose, but there weren't a lot of positive comments praising the Americans for having the game of their lives. To a man they seemed to chalk it up to good fortune with not much else to say. But as I'm watching the game It's completely apparent to me just how hard the Americans played, and how ntensely focused they were. And Craig was an amazing goalie that night. A few of the Russians gave a few props here and there (begrudgingly), but for the most part it came off as sour grapes to me.

You actually expect the Russian team to view/remember that game the same way that we do?

Of course not.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Just watched it. Easily one of the best 30 for 30's ever made. Went a little long, but I can see how the producers wanted to follow it all the way through to Fetisov breaking into the NHL. Glad they focused on the beginnings of hockey in the USSR with Tarasov. That right there was worth the price of admission. Talk about a great Coach... I can't think of anyone comparable in any US sport, past or present. I look forward to reading and learning more about this guy.

I was a little disappointed with the Russian players' accounts of the game after 35 years. Not sure if it was edited that way on purpose, but there weren't a lot of positive comments praising the Americans for having the game of their lives. To a man they seemed to chalk it up to good fortune with not much else to say. But as I'm watching the game It's completely apparent to me just how hard the Americans played, and how ntensely focused they were. And Craig was an amazing goalie that night. A few of the Russians gave a few props here and there (begrudgingly), but for the most part it came off as sour grapes to me.

They gave them props. One guy said the American team was completely different than the one they played earlier and that in the 2nd period realized the Americans were playing faster than them.

Yeah, those were the the props I was referring to. But there was a lot of other talk of luck and excuse making (bad coaching, Russian goalie getting pulled, out partying the night before...) Seemed like a great opportunity, after 35 years of historical context on what an amazing accomplishment it was for the American kids, to be a little more gracious.

One USA goal was a buzzer-beater off a deflection intended to run out the clock.

Another happened right off a pass that somehow slipped between the boot and blade of a CCCP defenseman's skate.

CCCP had a shot late in the third that beat Craig but caught just enough of the post to not go in the net.

CCCP outshot USA 39-16 in the game.

Talk of luck is not totally unwarranted in this situation.

 

[General Tso]

Just watched it. Easily one of the best 30 for 30's ever made. Went a little long, but I can see how the producers wanted to follow it all the way through to Fetisov breaking into the NHL. Glad they focused on the beginnings of hockey in the USSR with Tarasov. That right there was worth the price of admission. Talk about a great Coach... I can't think of anyone comparable in any US sport, past or present. I look forward to reading and learning more about this guy.

I was a little disappointed with the Russian players' accounts of the game after 35 years. Not sure if it was edited that way on purpose, but there weren't a lot of positive comments praising the Americans for having the game of their lives. To a man they seemed to chalk it up to good fortune with not much else to say. But as I'm watching the game It's completely apparent to me just how hard the Americans played, and how ntensely focused they were. And Craig was an amazing goalie that night. A few of the Russians gave a few props here and there (begrudgingly), but for the most part it came off as sour grapes to me.

They gave them props. One guy said the American team was completely different than the one they played earlier and that in the 2nd period realized the Americans were playing faster than them.

Yeah, those were the the props I was referring to. But there was a lot of other talk of luck and excuse making (bad coaching, Russian goalie getting pulled, out partying the night before...) Seemed like a great opportunity, after 35 years of historical context on what an amazing accomplishment it was for the American kids, to be a little more gracious.

One USA goal was a buzzer-beater off a deflection intended to run out the clock.

Another happened right off a pass that somehow slipped between the boot and blade of a CCCP defenseman's skate.

CCCP had a shot late in the third that beat Craig but caught just enough of the post to not go in the net.

CCCP outshot USA 39-16 in the game.

Talk of luck is not totally unwarranted in this situation.

We have this debate weekly in here. Whether it be about the Patriots/Seahawks, Packers/Seahawks... Not gonna argue it anymore. Please accept that I was born in a ####ed up crazy environment where my looney parents raised me to accept the outcome of a game, win or lose, and tip your cap to the victor.

 

[jon_mx]

Just watched it. Easily one of the best 30 for 30's ever made. Went a little long, but I can see how the producers wanted to follow it all the way through to Fetisov breaking into the NHL. Glad they focused on the beginnings of hockey in the USSR with Tarasov. That right there was worth the price of admission. Talk about a great Coach... I can't think of anyone comparable in any US sport, past or present. I look forward to reading and learning more about this guy.

I was a little disappointed with the Russian players' accounts of the game after 35 years. Not sure if it was edited that way on purpose, but there weren't a lot of positive comments praising the Americans for having the game of their lives. To a man they seemed to chalk it up to good fortune with not much else to say. But as I'm watching the game It's completely apparent to me just how hard the Americans played, and how ntensely focused they were. And Craig was an amazing goalie that night. A few of the Russians gave a few props here and there (begrudgingly), but for the most part it came off as sour grapes to me.

They gave them props. One guy said the American team was completely different than the one they played earlier and that in the 2nd period realized the Americans were playing faster than them.

Yeah, those were the the props I was referring to. But there was a lot of other talk of luck and excuse making (bad coaching, Russian goalie getting pulled, out partying the night before...) Seemed like a great opportunity, after 35 years of historical context on what an amazing accomplishment it was for the American kids, to be a little more gracious.

One USA goal was a buzzer-beater off a deflection intended to run out the clock.

Another happened right off a pass that somehow slipped between the boot and blade of a CCCP defenseman's skate.

CCCP had a shot late in the third that beat Craig but caught just enough of the post to not go in the net.

CCCP outshot USA 39-16 in the game.

Talk of luck is not totally unwarranted in this situation.

Undoubtedly there was a ton of luck involved. But Herb Brooks worked those kids butts off and those kids played with a lot of heart. Somehow luck and hard work usually go hand in hand, so it seems what appears to be luck is really the fruit of hard work. And there was a sprinkling of overconfidence on the part of the Soviets which also contributed. So I would say it was a pretty even mixture of emotions, heart, hard work, overconfidence and luck.

 

[Tom Servo]

Just watched it. Easily one of the best 30 for 30's ever made. Went a little long, but I can see how the producers wanted to follow it all the way through to Fetisov breaking into the NHL. Glad they focused on the beginnings of hockey in the USSR with Tarasov. That right there was worth the price of admission. Talk about a great Coach... I can't think of anyone comparable in any US sport, past or present. I look forward to reading and learning more about this guy.

I was a little disappointed with the Russian players' accounts of the game after 35 years. Not sure if it was edited that way on purpose, but there weren't a lot of positive comments praising the Americans for having the game of their lives. To a man they seemed to chalk it up to good fortune with not much else to say. But as I'm watching the game It's completely apparent to me just how hard the Americans played, and how ntensely focused they were. And Craig was an amazing goalie that night. A few of the Russians gave a few props here and there (begrudgingly), but for the most part it came off as sour grapes to me.

They gave them props. One guy said the American team was completely different than the one they played earlier and that in the 2nd period realized the Americans were playing faster than them.

Yeah, those were the the props I was referring to. But there was a lot of other talk of luck and excuse making (bad coaching, Russian goalie getting pulled, out partying the night before...) Seemed like a great opportunity, after 35 years of historical context on what an amazing accomplishment it was for the American kids, to be a little more gracious.

To be fair, changing goalies was a huge gift to Team USA. Tretiak was a beast in goal.