Estalella to testify against Bonds (1 Viewer)

[Michael Brown]

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With this, plus other new evidence of his steroid intake, it looks like Barry might actually do some time, no?

 

[cobalt_27]

He's screwed.

 

[Rusty Barr]

Yeah, he's going down

 

[DropKick]

You break one of Ruth's records, you get an "*".

See Maris, Roger (this guy didn't get the respect/recognition he deserved)

See Bonds, Barry (Inmate #324581)

 

[Tom Servo]

I think he's guilty, so yeah, he's going up the river.

Maybe he can play in the California Penal System alongside "Wild Thing".

:majorleague:

 

[TitusIII]

Oh Barry, the truth would have set you free....now look at the mess you and your roided up athlete pals are getting themselves into. I can't wait till the next batch of "great" athletes who think they are ahead of the testing curve are exposed for the frauds they are. Frank Thomas and Ken Griffey Jr. should get a few whacks at the cheaters knees, and then call it even.

 

[Michael Brown]

Oh Barry, the truth would have set you free....now look at the mess you and your roided up athlete pals are getting themselves into. I can't wait till the next batch of "great" athletes who think they are ahead of the testing curve are exposed for the frauds they are. Frank Thomas and Ken Griffey Jr. should get a few whacks at the cheaters knees, and then call it even.

Or look at what roids might have done to the Steelers of the late-1970's. No secret that a ton of those guys were juicing, and now a ton of them are dropping dead before their 60th birthday. I just don't get how guys can see this happening right in front of them and still screw around with that stuff.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

The other two people convicted in this case got probation. If he gets jail time, it won't be much.

 

[Michael Brown]

The other two people convicted in this case got probation. If he gets jail time, it won't be much.

Which two people? Didn't Greg Anderson just get out of jail, and Conte is currently in jail, and Marion Jones did some time? Not to mention Bonds being more visible than any of those guys. He's been a target of the prosecutors for years, and they'll want to do all they can to make sure he gets his.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

The other two people convicted in this case got probation. If he gets jail time, it won't be much.

Which two people? Didn't Greg Anderson just get out of jail, and Conte is currently in jail, and Marion Jones did some time? Not to mention Bonds being more visible than any of those guys. He's been a target of the prosecutors for years, and they'll want to do all they can to make sure he gets his.

Jones was also part of a bad check writing investigation and was tried before a New York judge. Trevor Graham, and Tammy Thomas didn't get jail for lying about steroids and were before the same judge. Anderson was in jail for contempt. Conte was in jail for selling drugs.

 

[awesomeness]

So Roger Maris still holds the record for most HR in a season right?

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

So Roger Maris still holds the record for most HR in a season right?

He never had to face juiced pitchers or juiced fielders.

 

[Michael Brown]

The other two people convicted in this case got probation. If he gets jail time, it won't be much.

Which two people? Didn't Greg Anderson just get out of jail, and Conte is currently in jail, and Marion Jones did some time? Not to mention Bonds being more visible than any of those guys. He's been a target of the prosecutors for years, and they'll want to do all they can to make sure he gets his.

Jones was also part of a bad check writing investigation and was tried before a New York judge. Trevor Graham, and Tammy Thomas didn't get jail for lying about steroids and were before the same judge. Anderson was in jail for contempt. Conte was in jail for selling drugs.

Thanks. Thought Jones was only in for perjury.

 

[DropKick]

So Roger Maris still holds the record for most HR in a season right?

He never had to face juiced pitchers or juiced fielders.

Juiced fielders? And this from a drunken cowboy?I can't buy the argument that the playing field is level because everyone (pitchers, hitters, etc.) is doing it. The proof is right in front of your eyes. Look at the huge jump in HRs in the roid era. 73 a season? A guy breaking the 60 mark 4 times? Average ballplayers hitting 40 or 50 dingers? This era obviously benefited the hitting side of the equation.

 

[Koya]

The other two people convicted in this case got probation. If he gets jail time, it won't be much.

Did the other two people not only lie to the Feds, but made a mockery of them in the process? There is a pound of flesh to be had here on the Feds behalf.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

The other two people convicted in this case got probation. If he gets jail time, it won't be much.

Did the other two people not only lie to the Feds, but made a mockery of them in the process? There is a pound of flesh to be had here on the Feds behalf.

The feds don't get to decide anything. That is for the judge.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

So Roger Maris still holds the record for most HR in a season right?

He never had to face juiced pitchers or juiced fielders.

Juiced fielders? And this from a drunken cowboy?I can't buy the argument that the playing field is level because everyone (pitchers, hitters, etc.) is doing it. The proof is right in front of your eyes. Look at the huge jump in HRs in the roid era. 73 a season? A guy breaking the 60 mark 4 times? Average ballplayers hitting 40 or 50 dingers? This era obviously benefited the hitting side of the equation.

Don't forget small ballparks. Don't forget expansion bringing in a bunch of bad pitchers to the league.

 

[Koya]

The other two people convicted in this case got probation. If he gets jail time, it won't be much.

Did the other two people not only lie to the Feds, but made a mockery of them in the process? There is a pound of flesh to be had here on the Feds behalf.

The feds don't get to decide anything. That is for the judge.

Yes. The Feds just have all the goods the court will need to make the appropriate decision. And judges don't usually look fondly at blatant, repeated lying to the Feds. That's what has seperated Bonds here, legally.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

The other two people convicted in this case got probation. If he gets jail time, it won't be much.

Did the other two people not only lie to the Feds, but made a mockery of them in the process? There is a pound of flesh to be had here on the Feds behalf.

The feds don't get to decide anything. That is for the judge.

Yes. The Feds just have all the goods the court will need to make the appropriate decision. And judges don't usually look fondly at blatant, repeated lying to the Feds. That's what has seperated Bonds here, legally.

Separate from whom? The other two convictions I mention for lying to the feds in the same case before the same judge?

 

[DropKick]

So Roger Maris still holds the record for most HR in a season right?

He never had to face juiced pitchers or juiced fielders.

Juiced fielders? And this from a drunken cowboy?I can't buy the argument that the playing field is level because everyone (pitchers, hitters, etc.) is doing it. The proof is right in front of your eyes. Look at the huge jump in HRs in the roid era. 73 a season? A guy breaking the 60 mark 4 times? Average ballplayers hitting 40 or 50 dingers? This era obviously benefited the hitting side of the equation.

Don't forget small ballparks. Don't forget expansion bringing in a bunch of bad pitchers to the league.

Or the "juiced" balls.... lots of misdirection... but the numbers have clearly fallen off and the parks haven't gotten any bigger and I imagine the pitching hasn't improved THAT MUCH.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

So Roger Maris still holds the record for most HR in a season right?

He never had to face juiced pitchers or juiced fielders.

Juiced fielders? And this from a drunken cowboy?I can't buy the argument that the playing field is level because everyone (pitchers, hitters, etc.) is doing it. The proof is right in front of your eyes. Look at the huge jump in HRs in the roid era. 73 a season? A guy breaking the 60 mark 4 times? Average ballplayers hitting 40 or 50 dingers? This era obviously benefited the hitting side of the equation.

Don't forget small ballparks. Don't forget expansion bringing in a bunch of bad pitchers to the league.

Or the "juiced" balls.... lots of misdirection... but the numbers have clearly fallen off and the parks haven't gotten any bigger and I imagine the pitching hasn't improved THAT MUCH.

You have to be very naïve to believe that players are not still taking steroids today.

 

[Raider Nation]

Want to know how I know Bonds lied? His head is the size of a basketball.

Next case.

 

[Michael Brown]

Want to know how I know Bonds lied? His head is the size of a basketball.

Next case.

He could've had some of that radioactive punch Griffey was drinking on The Simpsons."It's like there's a party in my mouth, and everyone's invited!"

 

[DropKick]

So Roger Maris still holds the record for most HR in a season right?

He never had to face juiced pitchers or juiced fielders.

Juiced fielders? And this from a drunken cowboy?I can't buy the argument that the playing field is level because everyone (pitchers, hitters, etc.) is doing it. The proof is right in front of your eyes. Look at the huge jump in HRs in the roid era. 73 a season? A guy breaking the 60 mark 4 times? Average ballplayers hitting 40 or 50 dingers? This era obviously benefited the hitting side of the equation.

Don't forget small ballparks. Don't forget expansion bringing in a bunch of bad pitchers to the league.

Or the "juiced" balls.... lots of misdirection... but the numbers have clearly fallen off and the parks haven't gotten any bigger and I imagine the pitching hasn't improved THAT MUCH.

You have to be very naïve to believe that players are not still taking steroids today.

I think with the additional testing and the scrutiny, the level is down. We're not seeing "15 homer" guys banging out 50 home-runs, are we?

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

So Roger Maris still holds the record for most HR in a season right?

He never had to face juiced pitchers or juiced fielders.

Juiced fielders? And this from a drunken cowboy?I can't buy the argument that the playing field is level because everyone (pitchers, hitters, etc.) is doing it. The proof is right in front of your eyes. Look at the huge jump in HRs in the roid era. 73 a season? A guy breaking the 60 mark 4 times? Average ballplayers hitting 40 or 50 dingers? This era obviously benefited the hitting side of the equation.

Don't forget small ballparks. Don't forget expansion bringing in a bunch of bad pitchers to the league.

Or the "juiced" balls.... lots of misdirection... but the numbers have clearly fallen off and the parks haven't gotten any bigger and I imagine the pitching hasn't improved THAT MUCH.

You have to be very naïve to believe that players are not still taking steroids today.

I think with the additional testing and the scrutiny, the level is down. We're not seeing "15 homer" guys banging out 50 home-runs, are we?

Everybody in pro sports takes steriods. Everybody. It sin't down in any way. Testing only catches the very very dumb.

 

[Michael Brown]

Nevermind, Barry's not going anywhere

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Remember the debates in the FFA about Barry? On and on...

My favorite was all the posters that kept demanding proof. Like they wanted needles or something...

 

[prosopis]

Barry doing some time would make me happy.

 

[Wrigley]

Bonds: I didn't know

Great defense Barry

 

[greenroom]

Bonds: I didn't know

Great defense Barry

You may laugh, but that is what he told the grand jury. When he admitted that he had steroids in his system and that is what will keep him from going to jail.

 

[Wrigley]

Bonds: I didn't know

Great defense Barry

You may laugh, but that is what he told the grand jury. When he admitted that he had steroids in his system and that is what will keep him from going to jail.

Then I guess they have to prove he knew(Of course he did).....I don't have a link, but I remember him saying that he knows everything that goes into his body. His body is his life.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

Bonds: I didn't know

Great defense Barry

You may laugh, but that is what he told the grand jury. When he admitted that he had steroids in his system and that is what will keep him from going to jail.

Then I guess they have to prove he knew(Of course he did).....I don't have a link, but I remember him saying that he knows everything that goes into his body. His body is his life.

Bonds talked about thinking the clear was flaxseed oil and the cream was arthritis cream. The only person who can refute this refuses to testify. I fail to understand why the feds continue to waste taxpayer money on this.

 

[Michael Brown]

Bonds: I didn't know

Great defense Barry

You may laugh, but that is what he told the grand jury. When he admitted that he had steroids in his system and that is what will keep him from going to jail.

Then I guess they have to prove he knew(Of course he did).....I don't have a link, but I remember him saying that he knows everything that goes into his body. His body is his life.

Bonds talked about thinking the clear was flaxseed oil and the cream was arthritis cream. The only person who can refute this refuses to testify. I fail to understand why the feds continue to waste taxpayer money on this.

Wasn't there allegedly a recording of him admitting to a family friend that he was taking steroids? Supposedly Bobby didn't believe it so the friend ratted him out to his pops. That may have been just a rumor, but I thought I remembered it coming up again before this trial as evidence against him. Although I guess if it was that incriminating it would have come to light by now.ETA: Nevermind I'm an idiot. It was a recording made of Anderson talking about how Bonds was on roids. It wasn't a recording of Bonds himself. The guy who made the tape is named Steve Hoskins.

 

[Wrigley]

SAN FRANCISCO -- Barry Bonds' former mistress testified Monday that the slugger blamed a 1999 elbow injury on steroid use.

 

[Eephus]

SAN FRANCISCO -- Barry Bonds' former mistress testified Monday that the slugger blamed a 1999 elbow injury on steroid use.

This is consistent with the dates mentioned in Game of Shadows

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

SAN FRANCISCO -- Barry Bonds' former mistress testified Monday that the slugger blamed a 1999 elbow injury on steroid use.

I am not a lawyer and maybe I have just watched too much Law and Order, but I don't understand how this is admissible.

 

[dparker713]

SAN FRANCISCO -- Barry Bonds' former mistress testified Monday that the slugger blamed a 1999 elbow injury on steroid use.

I am not a lawyer and maybe I have just watched too much Law and Order, but I don't understand how this is admissible.

Frankly, I am a lawyer and Im not sure how half this stuff is admissible.

 

[Wrigley]

SAN FRANCISCO -- Barry Bonds' former personal shopper has testified that she saw the slugger's private trainer inject Bonds in the navel before a road trip during the 2002 season.

Kathy Hoskins said Thursday she was in Bonds' bedroom packing his clothes for the trip when the seven-time NL MVP and trainer Greg Anderson came into the room. Anderson expressed concerns about her presence but Bonds said not to worry about Hoskins because "she's my girl."

Hoskins testified that she then watched Anderson inject Bonds. She said she didn't ask about the injection, but Bonds volunteered that it was "a little something, something for when I go on the road. You can't detect it."

linkoh boy

 

[Eephus]

Tdday's blockbuster is the recording Steve Hoskins allegedly made of a conversation w/ Dr. Ting in 2003. After all the resources invested in this case on both sides, I find it bizarre that a surprise piece of crucial evidence doesn't get discovered until 11PM Sunday of the last week of the trial.

 

[dparker713]

Tdday's blockbuster is the recording Steve Hoskins allegedly made of a conversation w/ Dr. Ting in 2003. After all the resources invested in this case on both sides, I find it bizarre that a surprise piece of crucial evidence doesn't get discovered until 11PM Sunday of the last week of the trial.

Judge called the blockbuster recording 'almost entirely inadmissible or irrelevant'

 

[Statorama]

So Roger Maris still holds the record for most HR in a season right?

He never had to face juiced pitchers or juiced fielders.

Juiced fielders? And this from a drunken cowboy?I can't buy the argument that the playing field is level because everyone (pitchers, hitters, etc.) is doing it. The proof is right in front of your eyes. Look at the huge jump in HRs in the roid era. 73 a season? A guy breaking the 60 mark 4 times? Average ballplayers hitting 40 or 50 dingers? This era obviously benefited the hitting side of the equation.

Don't forget small ballparks. Don't forget expansion bringing in a bunch of bad pitchers to the league.

When Wade Boggs was cranking out near 30 dingers they were blaming it on the balls being stitched too tightly.

 

[Shtaym Syek]

I think with the additional testing and the scrutiny, the level is down. We're not seeing "15 homer" guys banging out 50 home-runs, are we?

Whatever happened to Brady Anderson, anyway?

 

[Eephus]

The defense rests w/out calling any witnesses

 

[rodg12]

Don't see how the jury can find him guilty. Prosecution's case has been weak.

 

[Eephus]

Don't see how the jury can find him guilty. Prosecution's case has been weak.

The only count that seems like it could stick (no pun intended) is on the statement that he was never injected with anything.

 

[Don Quixote]

Sounds like close to verdict (or partial). Follow http://twitter.com/#!/georgedohrmann

 

[rodg12]

Apparently they're going to rule on 1 count shortly and declare a mistrial on the rest...

ETA: The last hour of tweets from here are quite amusing. Sounds like there was quite a bit of confusion among the Jury, Judge and legal teams as to what exactly was going on.

 

[Don Quixote]

Guilty on obstruction of justice.

 

[Eephus]

Guilty on count #5 - obstruction of justice.

He and George Steinbrenner have something in common now.

 

[rodg12]

Gotta love the millions in taxpayer funds that went into figuring that out.