Ethics- Commish lineup (1 Viewer)

[Slugg]

here is the scenario: Lineups locked at 1pm. Commissioner changed his lineup after 1pm using the commissioner controls, but before actual 1:05pm kickoff. Is this allowable, since everyone else doesn't have the ability to edit their lineups past 1pm?

 

[Apple Jack]

No

 

[RUSF18]

Has there been a situation earlier in the season where the commish did the same for someone else when it was requested, which everyone knew about? If the answer is no, it's bull#### for the commish to do. If it hasn't come up, it's bull#### for the commish to do.

 

[Slugg]

this is the first time the commissioner has edited any team's lineup all season.

 

[RUSF18]

Then he should switch it back and you should probably find a new league/commish next year.

 

[two_dollars]

He may not have necessarily done it on purpose. On CBS nothing changes with the active/reserve changes on your homepage unless you load the page after the deadline. Yet a change can still occur after the deadline if he takes his sweet time making the roster move. It will tell a player without commish status that it was too late, but it will not say a word to the commish about it.

 

[Slugg]

He may not have necessarily done it on purpose. On CBS nothing changes with the active/reserve changes on your homepage unless you load the page after the deadline. Yet a change can still occur after the deadline if he takes his sweet time making the roster move.

its yahoo. and the commissioner edit was noted on the leagues home page. you have to go into a separate set of controls exclusive to the commissioner to make the change.

 

[Ty_Webb]

If the commish got the OK from his opponent to make the switch than OK, if not....

 

[Sea Duck]

Do your league rules say "Lineup deadline is kickoff" or "Lineup deadline is 1 p.m."? Sometimes the website locks the lineups too soon.

 

[DropKick]

You're making a big deal of nothing. Games hadn't started yet.

 

[Dvorak]

Game hasn't started yet. I'm sure he would have done the same if someone called him via telephone requesting a last minute change.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

It could be an accident since the Commish wouldn't see that the players locked and might have thought he was just getting in before 1 p.m. But if your deadline is 1 and not 1:05, that's what it should be.

If you let it go, you're saying that the deadline is a) 1 p.m. for 11 teams and b) before kickoff for the Commish. Can't do that. I'm always a defender of Commissioners and the fact that they're allowed to compete just like any other team. I don't like when Commissioners have to go above and beyond to "prove" they're fair, like they're guilty until proven innocent. They should be allowed to compete like every other team.

In this case, every other team has their rosters lock at 1. You should say something, and NOT wait to see if it affects the outcome or not. It's either okay or it's not. The outcome doesn't matter.

 

[Buffaloes]

voted for both

 

[Underachievers]

You're making a big deal of nothing. Games hadn't started yet.

Exactly!!

 

[Sarnoff]

voted for both

Me too

 

[FUBAR]

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It could be an accident since the Commish wouldn't see that the players locked and might have thought he was just getting in before 1 p.m. But if your deadline is 1 and not 1:05, that's what it should be.If you let it go, you're saying that the deadline is a) 1 p.m. for 11 teams and b) before kickoff for the Commish. Can't do that. I'm always a defender of Commissioners and the fact that they're allowed to compete just like any other team. I don't like when Commissioners have to go above and beyond to "prove" they're fair, like they're guilty until proven innocent. They should be allowed to compete like every other team.In this case, every other team has their rosters lock at 1. You should say something, and NOT wait to see if it affects the outcome or not. It's either okay or it's not. The outcome doesn't matter.

let the league decide if it matters before the outcome.

 

[ClownDogs]

You're making a big deal of nothing. Games hadn't started yet.

But that is over using his commish abilities imho.Harmless? Absolutely.But if i wanted to do it with a 1pm deadline, i am up s*@t creek without a paddle since I do not have those abilities.Like one other post said, if 1pm deadline, 1pm is the deadline, not a min after, rules are rules.If kickoff is deadline, that is more reasonable, but still doesn't seem fair for all the non commish's.

 

[djmich]

You're making a big deal of nothing. Games hadn't started yet.

Exactly!!

 

[gandalas]

deadline is kickoff, not 1pm.

 

[Slugg]

deadline is kickoff, not 1pm.

the matter that WAS at hand: should the commissioner be able to use the commissioner controls to change his lineup after they locked? it has been resolved. the commissioner was not allowed to change his lineup through the commissioner controls, but only through his team page. every team, including the commissioner is held to the same default deadlines, regardless of kickoff time. allowing a grey area here would be opening a huge can of worms

 

[Chaka]

voted for both

Me too

I love the yes/no.

 

[Fightin Donkey]

deadline is kickoff, not 1pm.

I've done it for myself, and for other owners.No harm at all.

 

[Mr. Mojo]

deadline is kickoff, not 1pm.

I've done it for myself, and for other owners.No harm at all.

Me too.

 

[munchkin]

He may not have necessarily done it on purpose. On CBS nothing changes with the active/reserve changes on your homepage unless you load the page after the deadline. Yet a change can still occur after the deadline if he takes his sweet time making the roster move. It will tell a player without commish status that it was too late, but it will not say a word to the commish about it.

I don't believe this is true, at least not for the CBS League I am in. There is a note at the top of the page in red that tells me I am making changes with Comish privileges.A Comish is supposed to know the rules. There is no excuse for him to make changes if no-one else can. If he did make an honest mistake he needs to change the line-up back.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

depends on the league, In any league I am in people often call in late subs after lineups are locked but before the KO. Has anyone tried this and been denied this year? Absent that I see no abuse here and the switch should be allowed. Odds are you would've just let it slide if his changes had had made the team worse.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Voted yes. You oughta be embarrassed attempting to win on a technicality like this. ##### ### move.

 

[footballnerd]

Voted yes. You oughta be embarrassed attempting to win on a technicality like this. ##### ### move.

then why is it not already set for the entire league can set line ups until kick off (obviously its possible!). it is an unfair advantage the commish because nobody can track him down in time for a last second change. I have leagues that have line ups due at kick off and ones 5 mins before kick off. no commish has ever tried to pull that stunt.

 

[DropKick]

You're making a big deal of nothing. Games hadn't started yet.

But that is over using his commish abilities imho.Harmless? Absolutely.But if i wanted to do it with a 1pm deadline, i am up s*@t creek without a paddle since I do not have those abilities.Like one other post said, if 1pm deadline, 1pm is the deadline, not a min after, rules are rules.If kickoff is deadline, that is more reasonable, but still doesn't seem fair for all the non commish's.

I think you're jumping to the conclusion that this is a big abuse of power. I've had people call me to give me last minute changes; often with a legit reason they couldn't get to a computer. Who knows what happened to the commish? maybe his kid was sick or he got hung up in traffic or his PC froze... Any number of things. I wouldn't play the "cheater" card because he was two minutes late, especially since his move preceded kickoff.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Voted yes. You oughta be embarrassed attempting to win on a technicality like this. ##### ### move.

then why is it not already set for the entire league can set line ups until kick off (obviously its possible!). it is an unfair advantage the commish because nobody can track him down in time for a last second change. I have leagues that have line ups due at kick off and ones 5 mins before kick off. no commish has ever tried to pull that stunt.

It's not a stunt. It;s called deciding t start different players at th last minute but before they have actually begun playing. To try and invalidate the change 40 minutes later (and presumably after watching the new player do well) is pretty weak.Most leagues have provisions that allow people to phone/text/email in last second switches pre kickoff, which this was.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Voted yes. You oughta be embarrassed attempting to win on a technicality like this. ##### ### move.

then why is it not already set for the entire league can set line ups until kick off (obviously its possible!). it is an unfair advantage the commish because nobody can track him down in time for a last second change. I have leagues that have line ups due at kick off and ones 5 mins before kick off. no commish has ever tried to pull that stunt.

and to answer your question. Because CBS's software is limited and because they historically overload their servers.

 

[Arizona Ron]

collusion, call a lawyer.

 

[24seven]

If your league observes the "Lineups lock 5 mins before kickoff" then those are the rules.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

some of you want to win in the most pathetic fashion

 

[dwarfboy]

SO how did it work out? Who were the players involved?

 

[SWC]

the commish stinks up the joint and everyone here defending him does too you dont get to do things other players cant just because you are the commissioner jeez you guys make me want to vomit stop trying to justify cheating thats ridiculous take it to the bank it doesnt matter if he did it between lineup lock and before kicoffs all that matters is that he did it when he should not have been able to do it wow your jerkyies probalby think that if you murder someone at the north pole its ok because there are no laws up there yikes well if that is what you think go live with the penguins and get out of here

 

[NJDawgPound]

the commish stinks up the joint and everyone here defending him does too you dont get to do things other players cant just because you are the commissioner jeez you guys make me want to vomit stop trying to justify cheating thats ridiculous take it to the bank it doesnt matter if he did it between lineup lock and before kicoffs all that matters is that he did it when he should not have been able to do it wow your jerkyies probalby think that if you murder someone at the north pole its ok because there are no laws up there yikes well if that is what you think go live with the penguins and get out of here

Your sentence structure and punctuation really drive home your point about the lack of laws.

 

[Chaka]

the commish stinks up the joint and everyone here defending him does too you dont get to do things other players cant just because you are the commissioner jeez you guys make me want to vomit stop trying to justify cheating thats ridiculous take it to the bank it doesnt matter if he did it between lineup lock and before kicoffs all that matters is that he did it when he should not have been able to do it wow your jerkyies probalby think that if you murder someone at the north pole its ok because there are no laws up there yikes well if that is what you think go live with the penguins and get out of here

yes/no

 

[FDC]

Most leagues have provisions that allow people to phone/text/email in last second switches pre kickoff, which this was.

thisI'd expect the commish to allow it in every league I want to be in. I'd try to AVOID leagues with players that try to get out of losses with technicalities like this. Really surprised there are so many NOs. Somewhat dissapointing for the SP.

 

[RUSF18]

Most leagues have provisions that allow people to phone/text/email in last second switches pre kickoff, which this was.

thisI'd expect the commish to allow it in every league I want to be in. I'd try to AVOID leagues with players that try to get out of losses with technicalities like this. Really surprised there are so many NOs. Somewhat dissapointing for the SP.

It's an abuse of commissioner privileges if the league rules state "lineups lock at 1pm" and the commish uses something only available to him to circumvent that. Surprised there would be so many YES responses on this. If your league allows the practice, of course it's okay. I do allow this in my league...my email/phone is listed in our league charter, along with a notation that if you don't get a confirmation from me that I received the request prior to the start of the games, you must send a (time stamped obviously) email to me and your opponent.

 

[NJDawgPound]

Being a commissioner is a thankless job where you often get #### on with no reward other than keeping the league going. We have a portion of fees that go towards the draft party, but overall I end up putting in my own money for good food and the trophy, supplies, etc.

I manage a league of 16 with a good half of them being crybabies and always looking for an angle to get over on people while accusing everyone else of doing the same.

Sometimes it takes the fun out of the game.

#####ing about changing a lineup a minute or two late, BEFORE the game has been played, is simply nitpicking. And if I called a commissioner at 1:02 and wanted to change a lineup, I would quit the league if he told me no.

After the game starts is a different story.

 

[rick6668]

the commish stinks up the joint and everyone here defending him does too you dont get to do things other players cant just because you are the commissioner jeez you guys make me want to vomit stop trying to justify cheating thats ridiculous take it to the bank it doesnt matter if he did it between lineup lock and before kicoffs all that matters is that he did it when he should not have been able to do it wow your jerkyies probalby think that if you murder someone at the north pole its ok because there are no laws up there yikes well if that is what you think go live with the penguins and get out of here

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

the commish stinks up the joint and everyone here defending him does too you dont get to do things other players cant just because you are the commissioner jeez you guys make me want to vomit stop trying to justify cheating thats ridiculous take it to the bank it doesnt matter if he did it between lineup lock and before kicoffs all that matters is that he did it when he should not have been able to do it wow your jerkyies probalby think that if you murder someone at the north pole its ok because there are no laws up there yikes well if that is what you think go live with the penguins and get out of here

XNYT:Laws which apply at the North Pole

The Arctic is also already substantially regulated by domestic and international laws. For while the Antarctic is a continent surrounded by oceans, the Arctic is an ocean surrounded by continents. All of the land belongs incontestably to one or another Arctic nation, with the insignificant exception of Hans Island, a rocky islet halfway between Greenland and Canada.



The Arctic Ocean itself is governed by the law of the sea, which all nations accept as customary international law. Developed through centuries of diplomatic practice, these rules have been codified in the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea, which most nations — though not yet the United States — have ratified.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Interesting that the OP hasn't chimed back in. Either he lost by so much it didn't matter, or he doesn't want to name the guys involved here. Odds are pretty good whoever is at issue scored about 30 minutes after Kickoff in real time.

 

[Diamond One]

IMO: Since the game kickoff did not go prior to change (even though technically after cut-off, but only just), this sounds fairly innocent to me. After all, had it been for a team other than the Commish himself, would we be having this conversation? We actually have a Deputy Commish for transactions like this in our league - especially when an adjustment of this nature this late in the season might be considered questionable or make someone uneasy - justified or not...

Mods: In addition to the "Assistant Coach" which is WDIS stuff, how about creating a "Fantasy League Dispute" forum? Just a thought...

 

[Chaka]

the commish stinks up the joint and everyone here defending him does too you dont get to do things other players cant just because you are the commissioner jeez you guys make me want to vomit stop trying to justify cheating thats ridiculous take it to the bank it doesnt matter if he did it between lineup lock and before kicoffs all that matters is that he did it when he should not have been able to do it wow your jerkyies probalby think that if you murder someone at the north pole its ok because there are no laws up there yikes well if that is what you think go live with the penguins and get out of here

XNYT:Laws which apply at the North Pole

The Arctic is also already substantially regulated by domestic and international laws. For while the Antarctic is a continent surrounded by oceans, the Arctic is an ocean surrounded by continents. All of the land belongs incontestably to one or another Arctic nation, with the insignificant exception of Hans Island, a rocky islet halfway between Greenland and Canada.



The Arctic Ocean itself is governed by the law of the sea, which all nations accept as customary international law. Developed through centuries of diplomatic practice, these rules have been codified in the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea, which most nations — though not yet the United States — have ratified.

Interestingly enough I am taking a vacation there with my #### wife next year. I mean my loving wife. LOVING!

 

[DoubleG]

the commish stinks up the joint and everyone here defending him does too you dont get to do things other players cant just because you are the commissioner jeez you guys make me want to vomit stop trying to justify cheating thats ridiculous take it to the bank it doesnt matter if he did it between lineup lock and before kicoffs all that matters is that he did it when he should not have been able to do it wow your jerkyies probalby think that if you murder someone at the north pole its ok because there are no laws up there yikes well if that is what you think go live with the penguins and get out of here

XNYT:Laws which apply at the North Pole

The Arctic is also already substantially regulated by domestic and international laws. For while the Antarctic is a continent surrounded by oceans, the Arctic is an ocean surrounded by continents. All of the land belongs incontestably to one or another Arctic nation, with the insignificant exception of Hans Island, a rocky islet halfway between Greenland and Canada.



The Arctic Ocean itself is governed by the law of the sea, which all nations accept as customary international law. Developed through centuries of diplomatic practice, these rules have been codified in the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea, which most nations though not yet the United States have ratified.

Awesome. The OP is bad at the English AND he's wrong. Tough day.

BTW, I voted yes. Buncha silly "win by whining" ####### in here. Games haven't started - he aint cheating. Just stop.

 

[Truman]

I think the commissioner deserves special privileges to edit his lineup that every other owner in the league does not have. He's the commish, not some cretin.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

the commish stinks up the joint and everyone here defending him does too you dont get to do things other players cant just because you are the commissioner jeez you guys make me want to vomit stop trying to justify cheating thats ridiculous take it to the bank it doesnt matter if he did it between lineup lock and before kicoffs all that matters is that he did it when he should not have been able to do it wow your jerkyies probalby think that if you murder someone at the north pole its ok because there are no laws up there yikes well if that is what you think go live with the penguins and get out of here

XNYT:Laws which apply at the North Pole

The Arctic is also already substantially regulated by domestic and international laws. For while the Antarctic is a continent surrounded by oceans, the Arctic is an ocean surrounded by continents. All of the land belongs incontestably to one or another Arctic nation, with the insignificant exception of Hans Island, a rocky islet halfway between Greenland and Canada.



The Arctic Ocean itself is governed by the law of the sea, which all nations accept as customary international law. Developed through centuries of diplomatic practice, these rules have been codified in the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea, which most nations — though not yet the United States — have ratified.

plus there aren't any penguins there.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Totally unethical, you were robbed, the league was robbed, this ******* should be fried as commish and everyone should get their league dues back.

 

[Born to Run]

Money league, no way. Follow the rules. Fun league, relax and enjoy. Be sure to give the commish a lot of grief if the lineup change causes him to lose.