Ok so Marshawn Lynch is looking pretty questionable to play Sunday. My opponent this week has Lynch, but for some reason does not have Turbin. Is it wrong of me if I drop my defense or kicker for Turbin, then on Sunday morning drop him for a def or Kicker just so he is on waivers and unable to be picked up? I'm sure once he reads Lynch is questionable he will want to have Turbin. My move would block him from that. Sounds kinda shady, but it seems smart...what should I do?
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Norcalhoya
Footballguy
I'm not a fan of the whole dropping guys on waivers thing, but if it's not against the rules, it's not against the rules.
If you picked him up and left him on your bench, I'd have no qualms.
If you picked him up and left him on your bench, I'd have no qualms.
Squintz82
Footballguy
It's a ####ty bush-league thing to do, and I would never would want to play with someone who does that. With that being said, if it's not specifically against the rules, you're not doing anything wrong. Although, I wouldn't plan on being invited back into this league if that's how you choose to play.
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
Is this a league of friends? It's shady as hell, and it's not worth pissing off a friend to make a "shark" move in your magic football league. My local league actually has a rule specifically forbidding this kind of move, though I can't imagine anyone would try it anyway. If you want to block your opponent, just pick up Turbin and keep him. There's nothing wrong with that kind of gamesmanship. But if you don't really have room for Turbin on your roster, then it's just a #### move to exploit a loophole in the waivers process.
VaTerp
Footballguy
If there is no league rule against it then you need to make a decision for yourself. Personally, I'd do it if you think it will help you win. Just be prepared to have the same thing done to you at some point.
FTR- This is another reason I HATE waivers. Potential for BS like this. So I would say do it not only to win but to point out a flaw in the system that should be addressed.
FTR- This is another reason I HATE waivers. Potential for BS like this. So I would say do it not only to win but to point out a flaw in the system that should be addressed.
Squatch
Footballguy
I'd say you're the only one who can answer that question becuase it all comes down to what kind of owner you want to be: The guy who games the system for maximum benefit, regardles of whether some may perceive it as skirting sportsmanship, or the one who is NOT that guy. Your call IMO. Of course, your league's history with that kind of stuff may play a role as well. Some leagues are totally cut-throat, do what ever the rules allow, while others may have a different standard of decorum. Again, that's up to you to read.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
threads like this come up every year.....the problem is not whether you are a #### or not, the problem is with your league rules/set up...if your rules/set up allow for things like this to happen then you'd be dumb not to take advantage of it....
many will come in here and pound their chest about not wanting to play in leagues with guys like that and it's not in the spirit of the game, etc.....but if the bottom line is winning you do what you got to do....karma, all that, whatever....
it sometimes takes things like this to initiate change....you could be looked at as a leader for helping to make your league better in the long run even though it looks like a ######## way of doing it....
eta: dude should have picked Turbin up already.....
many will come in here and pound their chest about not wanting to play in leagues with guys like that and it's not in the spirit of the game, etc.....but if the bottom line is winning you do what you got to do....karma, all that, whatever....
it sometimes takes things like this to initiate change....you could be looked at as a leader for helping to make your league better in the long run even though it looks like a ######## way of doing it....
eta: dude should have picked Turbin up already.....
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rocketsauce
Footballguy
I don't play waivers or waiver-locking but if I did, I would certainly make us of this as a viable strategy, assuming of course that it is not defined as illegal in the rules of your league.
what's the language of the rule?
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
No, just make it to where any player picked up and dropped the same week can be picked up again by another owner.
Banger
Footballguy
no language, we just don't run waivers later in the week so if you drop a guy he's immediately available.
It is crappy to pick him up and release him so the other owner can't use him, now if you pick him up first and trade Turbin to him, start him yourself or just do it to block him but keep him on your roster for the week then it is a shark move and the other owner is just sleeping at the wheel.
Johnny Blood
Footballguy
This is churning. It's unethical. There's nothing "shark" about it. There's nothing wrong with picking up Turbin just to block your opponent. You are abusing the waiver system. In fact your league should have a rule against this and the website should make it impossible to do. In my league, if you pick up Turbin he locks on your roster 48 hours before his next kickoff. Dropped players are on waiver for 48 hours. In other words you have to drop him early enough to clear waivers before kickoff. Players who have been on your roster for a real game can be dropped as late as you want.
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There is still holes with that though.What if the guy in question gets dropped right before kickoff?For example, the situation in question, Turbin/Lynch, doesn't start until 4 EST. Which could create all kinds of scenarios.
that's a good idea...this is a Yahoo! league, and I'm not sure if there is a way to do that...although I know the commish can manually change a player from waivers to FA
Johnny Blood
Footballguy
It's not a good idea. It doesn't solve the problem at all. You just drop Turbin the minute before kickoff and add a kicker.
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true...which means there should be some specific language...I like the 48 hour rule
Instinctive
Footballguy
If you pick someone up and then drop the in the same week in my league, the player doesn't actually go to waivers - he goes straight back to FA.
ETA: I'm a big fan of picking a guy up if you have roster space and want to hold him though. I've screwed a guy out of a QB in the playoffs when he lost this by picking up all remaining FA starters and just dropping my backups at other positions - as it was the last week, I no longer needed depth.
So if you hold the guy? I have no issues. If you just try to pick up and drop to lock him? Bush league - but your league settings ought to not allow it.
ETA: I'm a big fan of picking a guy up if you have roster space and want to hold him though. I've screwed a guy out of a QB in the playoffs when he lost this by picking up all remaining FA starters and just dropping my backups at other positions - as it was the last week, I no longer needed depth.
So if you hold the guy? I have no issues. If you just try to pick up and drop to lock him? Bush league - but your league settings ought to not allow it.
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Thats probably the best solution...do you know if that option is available in yahoo leagues?
Instinctive
Footballguy
I believe it is a Yahoo league that this occurs in. I'm in a lot of different ones, not entirely sure.
The Turbin situation is a bit different than the normal shenanigansIf Lynch has substantial back issues this year he could develop into a stud.Some people (like me), like to leave their Ks and DEFs slots empty until kickoff for situations like this. If I happen to play Lynch week 1 and can't take advantage of that I don't think its fair.
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by_the_sea_wannabe
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if a player is picked up and dropped in the same week they are free to be picked up by someone else.
It isn't like you have no risk either. You are putting your defense or kicker back in the waiver pool. What if your defense becomes gold or you lose by one point and you would have won otherwise? Or you lose two games in a row because of your move and your next opponent picks up your def and plays against you? Also, everyone is acting like turbin will be huge as a one week fill in but he could do a wilson too you know.
Defense becomes gold? haha good one
GregR
Footballguy
This is what we do. At owner request, a player who was picked up and dropped the same week will be unlocked.Also, if someone waited until the last second to drop such a player, he'd face some sort of punishment unless he could make a convincing argument that it wasn't an attempt to game the system.
Johnny Blood
Footballguy
What is "unfair" about it? You are still free to pick up Turbin up to the last second. You just aren't free to abuse the waiver system. If you want to block the other guy, keep Turbin and drop someone else.Choosing to leave your K and DEF slot empty doesn't entitle you to anything. Nor does the proposed rule prevent you from taking advantage of your opponent who has Lynch.If you can lock out n number of players, you can lock out n+1 players. Therefore you could lock out every single free agent. That's absurd, therefore you can't lock out any players in this way.
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Bob Henry
Footballguy
Exactly. If this is a $ league, then shame on him for not protecting arguably his #1 asset. Strategy can be cut throat. All depends on the type of league it is. A free, friendly Yahoo league? It's bush. A money league with competitive owners? Bring it on. The owner left himself out there and deserves whatever happens. Snooze, you lose. Winners date the prom queen. Take care of business and you don't open yourself to that situation.
I was saying if special rules are created for opponents playing against handcuff situations... I don't think that would be fair.Teams playing against Lynch should have just an equal of opportunity to snag Turbin as everyone else does.The rule buffalo proposes would not work IMO. So many game time decisions in today's NFL, it just wouldn't be practical and would cause more problems than it would solve.
Johnny Blood
Footballguy
Either you don't understand the proposed rule or I don't understand what you are saying!
Topes
Footballguy
'nuff said.
GregR
Footballguy
I imagine the vast majority of leagues allow you to pick up or drop any player as long as his game hasn't started yet. Unless the league decided they want all waivers to be queued up ones, doesn't make much sense to do it any other way. And while I understand the thought behind wanting all waivers to be queued up, reality of information coming out just before games is sometimes you need to make that last minute change and it can't be forseen, so why not allow it.
waiver rule is "start of player's game - tuesday @ 11:59pm"so right now, only Dal and NYG players are on waivers (until tuesday @ 1159pm)
My larger point is, if someone adds Turbin as a speculative add and drops his Kicker or defense and happens to be playing against Lynch that week...It should not be viewed as chumming necessarily. It could just be because he likes Turbin and realized he could be a stud if Lynch is ruled out. Backs can be long term injuries.
