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Evan Silva NFL Draft Preview (1 Viewer)

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The 2009 quarterback class, so far, has been better than expected. Despite the woeful history of underclassman signal callers, all three of last year's early entrants (Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman, Matthew Stafford) wound up starting games and flashing franchise quarterback ability in their first seasons. Rams sixth-round pick Keith Null was the only other rookie to start a game, but every QB drafted made his team's roster and eight other undrafted passers are currently under contract for 2010.

This year's crop appears to be especially top heavy in that Sam Bradford and Jimmy Clausen are the only quarterbacks definitely worth drafting in round one. After the aforementioned go off the board, it wouldn't be surprising if the entire second round passes without a single QB chosen.

Desperation, particularly in league thin on QBs, will likely prevent that from happening.

The Scouting Combine is less than two weeks away and Pro Days are right around the corner. Let's dissect this year's top-15 quarterbacks and perhaps uncover who will emerge as the third best prospect or begin nipping at Bradford and Clausen's heels.

1. Sam Bradford, Oklahoma

Height/Weight: 6'4/223

College Experience: Fourth-year junior

Projected 40: 4.69

Comparison: Matt Schaub

2008* Stats: 328-of-483 (67.9%) for 4,720 yds (9.8 YPA), 50 TD/8 INT; 5 RUS TDs

Positives: There wasn't a more dominant QB in the nation over the course of Bradford's freshman and sophomore seasons. During that span, the Academic All American completed 68.6% of his attempts for 86 touchdowns and just 16 interceptions. Bradford left school as the NCAA's all-time leader in pass efficiency, demonstrating incredible accuracy and aggressiveness throwing downfield. Though Oklahoma's offense became more spread oriented late in Bradford's career, it still incorporated plenty of pro-style concepts and required the 2008 Heisman winner to make deep throws while taking his fair share of snaps from center and utilizing play action. When 100%, Bradford demonstrated above-average arm strength. Often asked to make throws on the move, Bradford is highly athletic. He was a decorated basketball player in high school.

Negatives: Bradford's 2009 season ended after three games when he aggravated an AC joint shoulder sprain originally suffered in the Sooners' opener. Dr. James Andrews performed a reconstruction on October 28, afterwards saying the surgery went "just as we expected." Despite his 6'4/223-pound listing at Oklahoma, Bradford often looked to be playing in the 200-pound range and could afford to bulk up. Bradford's passing mechanics were flawless for the Sooners' mostly-spread attack, but will change in a pro-style system. He was surrounded by countless high draft picks, including 2008 second-rounder Malcolm Kelly, 2009 third-rounder Juaquin Iglesias, likely 2010 first-round tight end Jermaine Gresham, and an annually star-studded Sooners offensive line.

Outlook: He's throwing three days a week and says his recovery is ahead of schedule. Bradford's calling cards are his accuracy, athleticism and smarts, making him an ideal fit for a West Coast offense. Early workout reports are good, but Bradford's showing at his March Pro Day will have a huge impact on his stock. Should he impress, Bradford could emerge as the favorite to be drafted No. 1 overall by St. Louis. Bradford won't get by the Bills at No. 9.

2. Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame

Height/Weight: 6'3/223

College Experience: Third-year junior

Projected 40: 4.91

Comparison: Philip Rivers

2009 Stats: 289-of-425 (68.0%) for 3,722 yds (8.8 YPA), 28 TD/4 INT

Positives: A three-year starter, Clausen's improvement between 2007 and 2009 was as dramatic as any quarterback at any stage of football during that span, indicating his trajectory still points up. Clausen ranked third nationally in pass efficiency last season (only Tim Tebow and Boise State's Kellen Moore made fewer mistakes), improving his TD-to-INT ratio and completion rate to near-perfect levels. This was all despite Clausen playing nearly the entire year through torn toe ligaments, a poor offensive line, and star wideout Michael Floyd's six-week absence due to a broken collarbone. Clausen puts ideal zip on intermediate passes and benefited from Charlie Weis' pro-style offense, which required him to make NFL-style throws. Clausen's competitiveness and toughness are reminiscent of Philip Rivers', although they can be mistaken for overt cockiness and/or egotism.

Negatives: Clausen typically delivers the ball quickly, but tends to reel back his right arm abnormally far on deep passes. It's possible that elbow surgery prior to his freshman year cost Clausen some arm power, forcing him to compensate. On some downfield routes, Weis teaches his quarterback to essentially throw the ball up for grabs, which Clausen got away with because Floyd and Golden Tate were perhaps Division I's best receiver tandem last year. There have been rumors that Clausen was not a good teammate or leader. His career record was 16-18.

Outlook: Despite his pro-style background, Clausen has plenty of developing to do. He could've used another year in college, but that wasn't an option after Weis' firing. Like Bradford, Clausen will miss the Combine after having toe surgery early last month. When healthy, Clausen projects well into virtually any scheme because of his quality arm and above-average accuracy. If Buffalo passes on Clausen at No. 9, a team is sure to snare him in the mid- to late-first round.

3. Tony Pike, Cincinnati

Height/Weight: 6'6/212

College Experience: Fifth-year senior

Projected 40: 5.05

Comparison: Brad Johnson

2009 Stats: 211-of-338 (62.4%) for 2,520 yds (7.5 YPA), 29 TD/6 INT; 2 RUS TDs

Positives: Showing great resiliency to climb the Bearcats' entire six-man QB depth chart in '08, Pike went on to earn second-team All-Big East honors as a first-year starter and first team in '09. Pike posted a 48:18 TD-to-INT ratio and 61.9 completion rate in his final two years, guiding UC to an undefeated regular season as a senior. Pike wastes no time in his delivery, shows impressive touch at the first and second levels, and flashes enough arm strength to improve as a deep-ball thrower. The consensus at Senior Bowl week was that Pike was the most NFL-ready passer on either side, outplaying the field of Tim Tebow, Zac Robinson, Dan LeFevour, and Sean Canfield. WVU's Jarrett Brown showed more ability, but Brown was far less consistent than Pike.

Negatives: Pike is rail thin, which may explain his proneness to injury. With no viable options behind him at UC, Pike had to play through a broken non-throwing arm in 2008. He had surgery, missed two games, and reinjured the arm as a senior when the existing plate in his wrist shifted. He needed another procedure, missing three more games. Pike was never off-the-charts accurate, and his ball placement outside the numbers is hit or miss. Bearcats coach Brian Kelly's offense relied heavily on rub routes and bubble screens that didn't allow Pike to go deep often. Pike turns 24 in March and is the oldest QB on this list. He started only 20 games in college, played almost every snap out of the shotgun, and tends to sense pressure when it isn't there.

Outlook: Pike will begin his career as a backup, giving him time to fill out physically. He offers starting-caliber tools, prototypical height, and naturally sound decision making. But Pike is an obvious work in progress with lots of kinks coming from Kelly's spread. He projects as a late third- to fourth-round pick with the chance at a long career as an eventual starter or quality No. 2.

4. John Skelton, Fordham

Height/Weight: 6'5/244

College Experience: Fourth-year senior

Projected 40: 4.95

Comparison: Kerry Collins

2009 Stats: 284-of-441 (64.4%) for 3,708 yds (8.4 YPA), 26 TD/10 INT; 5 RUS TDs

Positives: When searching for prospects at the sub-FBS level, all-out dominance is the No. 1 requirement. Skelton fits the bill. Topping 300 yards in 8-of-11 games and 400 in four as a senior, Skelton showed impressive accuracy and arm strength from an array of release points, usually to escape or simply throw around pass rushers. Skelton has perhaps the draft's liveliest arm and was outrageously aggressive at Fordham, routinely overlooking the safe dump-off play for the big one while always keeping his eyes downfield. A four-year starter, Skelton finished his final three seasons with a 63:28 TD-to-INT ratio and missed just one game due to injury in his career.

Negatives: Skelton's level of competition is a major concern. Against schools like Bryant, Lehigh, Lafayette and Colgate, Skelton should have lit it up. He frequently evaded pressure with his legs against non-scholarship Patriot Leaguers, which he has no chance of doing in the NFL. Skelton is versed with regard to the play-action fake, but worked primarily from the shotgun in the Rams' spread offense. East-West Shrine observers noted that Skelton showed premier velocity at the all-star event, but erratic accuracy. Fordham went 10-12 in his final two years.

Outlook: One can't help but be impressed by Skelton's ability to flick his wrist and throw it 60 yards, knack for the big play, and willingness to hang in the pocket amid oncoming rush. NFL evaluators will also like that Skelton is a coach's son. He is a developmental project that may take two or more years to realize his potential, but is certain to intrigue teams that run vertical offenses.

5. Jonathan Crompton, Tennessee

Height/Weight: 6'4/228

College Experience: Fifth-year senior

Projected 40: 4.89

Comparison: Matt Moore

2009 Stats: 224-of-384 (58.3%) for 2,800 yds (7.3 YPA), 27 TD/13 INT

Positives: After a sluggish start to his senior year, Crompton exploded under the tutelage of pro-style offensive mind Lane Kiffin. He posted a 22:6 TD-to-INT ratio in the Volunteers' final 10 games, taking just 12 sacks all regular season. Crompton possesses NFL starting-caliber arm strength and is highly effective throwing on the move. He took most of his snaps from center in Kiffin's NFL-like system and flourished despite perhaps the weakest supporting cast Tennessee has fielded in the last two decades. Crompton flashes the ability to fit passes into tight spaces and offers lots of potential as a vertical passer. His pocket poise improved markedly as a senior.

Negatives: The nation's No. 3 quarterback recruit in '05 (behind Ryan Perrilloux and Mark Sanchez), Crompton underachieved throughout his first four years. He battled confidence woes, underwent two throwing arm surgeries (shoulder - 2006, elbow - 2008), and was sitting on a 9:9 career TD-to-INT ratio entering his senior season. Crompton had the look of a coach killer leading up to respected play-caller David Cutcliffe's exit and was benched four games into his junior year, during which longtime coach Phil Fulmer was fired. Crompton finished his career with a poor 55.3 completion rate. Earlier on, he was unable to beat out Erik Ainge, who is a fringe NFL player.

Outlook: Crompton wasn't invited to the Senior Bowl, East-West Shrine, or Combine, and had to settle for the Texas vs. Nation game, where he was head-and-shoulders better than the rest of the quarterback field. Crompton doesn't even have a complete season of effective passing on his resume, but has shown that he will respond to skilled coaching and doesn't lack any of the physical traits to be an NFL starter. Crompton is another project, but with plenty of ceiling.

6. Jarrett Brown, West Virginia

Height/Weight: 6'3/219

College Experience: Fifth-year senior

Projected 40: 4.59

Comparison: David Garrard

2009 Stats: 187-of-296 (63.2%) for 2,144 yds (7.2 YPA), 11 TD/9 INT; 4.0 YPC, 6 TDs

Positives/Negatives: A misfit for WVU's read-option spread that was so successfully directed by Pat White for four years, Brown rode the pine thanklessly right up until his fifth season in school. Brown confirmed at last month's Senior Bowl that he is a pro-style passer first, and runner second. While the athleticism can't hurt, Brown is the complete package in terms of size and arm strength and was hamstrung by the Mountaineers' run-heavy system. He has very little experience reading coverage and finished his career with just 14 starts, winning 11. Brown did play well when given the opportunity due to White's injuries and has the mental capacity to learn quickly. Brown was annually a member of West Virginia's Academic Honor Roll and Dean's List.

Outlook: Quite possibly the biggest project in the draft, Brown may also offer the most upside. His impressive, if inconsistent, performance at January's Senior Bowl will work in his favor. Brown is well worth a mid-round flier, even if he's unlikely to see the field before 2012.

7. Tim Tebow, Florida

Height/Weight: 6'3/236

College Experience: Fourth-year senior

Projected 40: 4.79

Comparison: Drew Stanton

2009 Stats: 213-of-314 (67.8%) for 2,895 yds (9.2 YPA), 21 TD/5 INT; 4.2 YPC, 14 TDs

Positives/Negatives: A three-year starter who contributed heavily all four seasons under Urban Meyer, Tebow has received no schooling on the fundamentals of drop-back passing. While more physically developed and proven as a winner at college's highest level, Tebow's mechanical flaws are the same ones he excelled despite in high school. Tebow makes great decisions (88:16 career TDs to INTs) and completed 66.4% of his career throws while shattering Emmitt Smith's all-time UF record for rushing TDs. He is also perhaps the draft's best long-ball passer, which was a key part of Meyer's offense with Louis Murphy (2007-08) and Riley Cooper ('09) as the recipients. Intelligent, Tebow was an Academic All American and demonstrated the ability to learn quickly at the Senior Bowl, improving every day in his first experience as an under-center QB.

Outlook: Lacking foot speed to run by NFL defenders, Tebow immediately loses one of his defining assets upon entry into the pros. He also won't be able to pick up big chunks of yardage by powering through defensive lines. Tebow still has the smarts, leadership skills, and downfield passing ability to carve out a career. The guess here is Tebow never becomes a full-time starter barring miraculous quarterback coaching, but will be a contributor for a creative team.

8. Colt McCoy, Texas

Height/Weight: 6'2/210

College Experience: Fifth-year senior

Projected 40: 4.72

Comparison: Shaun Hill

2009 Stats: 332-of-470 (70.6%) for 3,521 yds (7.5 YPA), 27 TD/12 INT; 2.7 YPC, 1 TD

Positives/Negatives: A four-year starter and son of a coach, McCoy beat out fellow top recruit Jevan Snead as a freshman and went on to go 45-7 as the Longhorns' signal caller. The all-time NCAA record holder in victories, McCoy won 2009 Big 12 Offensive Player of the Year and finished his career with a 70.3 completion rate and 112:45 TD-to-INT ratio. However, McCoy played in a Texas Tech-style spread offense that called for roughly 70% of UT's passing plays to fall within the 5-10 yard vicinity. McCoy was able to connect on deep balls when Jordan Shipley or Malcolm Williams got wide open, but was never asked to fit passes into tight spaces at the intermediate or deep levels. He took almost every snap in his career from the shotgun, and is lacking in both arm strength and size. McCoy also struggled badly against top competition. He bowed out on the first possession of January's BCS title game due to a routine "burner."

Outlook: McCoy was a statistically accurate thrower in UT's spread but Kliff Kingsbury and Graham Harrell were too in similar systems. When asked to make tough throws, McCoy often answered with head-scratching ducks or passes at his receivers' feet. McCoy's senior year was also arguably his worst. Like most of the quarterbacks on his list, McCoy is a developmental project. Due to physical shortcomings, he possesses the least upside among the top eight

9. Jevan Snead, Ole Miss

Height/Weight: 6'3/220

College Experience: Fourth-year junior

Projected 40: 4.85

Comparison: Derek Anderson

2009 Stats: 191-of-351 (54.4%) for 2,632 yds (7.5 YPA), 20 TD/20 INT, 1.9 YPC, 3 TDs

Positives/Negatives: After losing a competition with Colt McCoy to succeed Vince Young at Texas, Snead transferred to Ole Miss. The Rebels run a pro-style system that suited Snead's ability to power the ball downfield. Snead looked to be emerging as a potential top-five pick when he posted an 8.4 YPA and 26:13 TD-to-INT ratio as a sophomore, only to regress as a junior and shock the NFL by declaring early. While Snead offers pro-ready arm strength, he was among the wildest quarterbacks in the nation a year ago and terrible against quality foes, completing just 48.7% of his passes with a 6.59 YPA and 3:10 TD-to-INT ratio when facing ranked opponents. Ultimately just a two-year starter, Snead never made better than honorable mention All-SEC.

Outlook: Similar to Rhett Bomar at this time last year, one NFL team will likely gaze favorably on Snead's physical gifts and draft him in the fourth- to sixth-round range. Lacking accuracy or poise, though, can be a death sentence for a quarterback. Snead is short on both.

10. Levi Brown, Troy

Height/Weight: 6'4/219

College Experience: Fifth-year senior

Projected 40: 4.73

Comparison: Luke McCown

2009 Stats: 321-of-504 (63.7%) for 4,254 yds (8.4 YPA), 23 TD/9 INT

Positives/Negatives: Brown began his career as a lightly recruited prospect at Richmond, where he failed to beat out Stacy Tutt as a freshman and Eric Ward as a sophomore. He sat out 2007 per NCAA transfer rules and landed at Troy, taking over six games into his junior-eligible year. Ending up with 24 starts, Brown's physical deficiencies were hidden by the Trojans' shotgun-only system, in which he rarely made vertical throws. Brown did exhibit outstanding escape ability, pocket presence when pressured, and impressive zip on short to intermediate routes. He took home Sun Belt Player of the Year honors in 2009 and won nine of his last 11 starts. For his career, Brown completed 61.1% of his passes and posted a 43:19 TD-to-INT ratio.

Outlook: As a senior against Florida, Brown managed just 66 yards on 24 attempts, no touchdowns, and an interception. While Brown was a very good college quarterback and is a fine athlete, the odds are against him becoming more than a shaky long-term NFL backup.

11. Dan LeFevour, Central Michigan - 6'3/229 ... four-year starter with 36-14 career record, but 7-11 against non-MAC teams ... lacks arm strength to make throws outside the numbers ... MAC Offensive Player of the Year as a sophomore and senior.

12. Ryan Perrilloux, Jacksonville State - 6'3/223 ... No. 1 QB recruit in '05, ahead of Mark Sanchez ... laundry list of character red flags ... after being kicked out of LSU, suspended for Jacksonville State's 2009 opener ... highly effective whenever on the field.

13. Sean Canfield, Oregon State - 6'3/221 ... southpaw started just one full season ... serious throwing shoulder injury as sophomore ... 64.1 career completion rate ... excellent accuracy and touch inside 10-12 yards, but can't make NFL vertical passes.

14. Mike Kafka, Northwestern - 6'3/216 ... just 19 career starts ... 16:12 TD-to-INTs and 64.8 completion rate in '09 ... couldn't beat out C.J. Bacher as a sophomore or junior ... accurate in short to intermediate areas but lacks arm power to throw deep.

15. Tim Hiller, Western Michigan - 6'4/229 ... two ACL reconstructions in college ... 42 career starts and 63.0 completion rate ... played in wide-open, QB-friendly system with lots of shotgun ... negative reviews at Texas vs. Nation all-star event.

Other QBs with an outside shot to be drafted: Maryland's Chris Turner, Illinois' Juice Williams, Florida Atlantic's Rusty Smith, Eastern Washington's Matt Nichols, BYU's Max Hall, Oklahoma State's Zac Robinson, Pittsburgh's Bill Stull, Penn State's Daryll Clark, Eastern Michigan's Andy Schmitt, Wake Forest's Riley Skinner, Bowling Green's Tyler Sheehan

 
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This is a great write up. After reading this I'm a little more excited about the possibilities of Buffalo landing a good QB in the draft. I wasn't exactly sure about Bradford and Clausen but it's articles like this that makes me feel better about thier potential.

 
This is a great write up. After reading this I'm a little more excited about the possibilities of Buffalo landing a good QB in the draft. I wasn't exactly sure about Bradford and Clausen but it's articles like this that makes me feel better about thier potential.
this makes me think this is a terrible class of qbs. the best comparison is to schaub? who had to sit for a couple of years, get traded, and is constantly labeled as injury-prone? who has never led a team to a winning record?and i'm not sure how i feel when the no. 1 guy is compared to schaub and the no. 2 guy is compared to rivers. rivers has proven to be a winner in the nfl. i don't know. not excited after that readup.
 
This is a great write up. After reading this I'm a little more excited about the possibilities of Buffalo landing a good QB in the draft. I wasn't exactly sure about Bradford and Clausen but it's articles like this that makes me feel better about thier potential.
this makes me think this is a terrible class of qbs. the best comparison is to schaub? who had to sit for a couple of years, get traded, and is constantly labeled as injury-prone? who has never led a team to a winning record?and i'm not sure how i feel when the no. 1 guy is compared to schaub and the no. 2 guy is compared to rivers. rivers has proven to be a winner in the nfl. i don't know. not excited after that readup.
this may have not been obvious, but i think he was comparing their play styles and strengths - not traveling to the future, seeing how their careers turn out, and comparing it to quarterbacks from the distant past.
 
11. Dan LeFevour, Central Michigan - 6'3/229 ... four-year starter with 36-14 career record, but 7-11 against non-MAC teams ... lacks arm strength to make throws outside the numbers ... MAC Offensive Player of the Year as a sophomore and senior.

This guy is totally underated...did you see him in the Senior Bowl?

I put him at 5, but I'm just a critic :sadbanana:

 
11. Dan LeFevour, Central Michigan - 6'3/229 ... four-year starter with 36-14 career record, but 7-11 against non-MAC teams ... lacks arm strength to make throws outside the numbers ... MAC Offensive Player of the Year as a sophomore and senior.This guy is totally underated...did you see him in the Senior Bowl?I put him at 5, but I'm just a critic :goodposting:
He's going to end up being totally over-rated. Lots of "buzz" building around him.
 
This is a great write up. After reading this I'm a little more excited about the possibilities of Buffalo landing a good QB in the draft. I wasn't exactly sure about Bradford and Clausen but it's articles like this that makes me feel better about thier potential.
this makes me think this is a terrible class of qbs. the best comparison is to schaub? who had to sit for a couple of years, get traded, and is constantly labeled as injury-prone? who has never led a team to a winning record?

and i'm not sure how i feel when the no. 1 guy is compared to schaub and the no. 2 guy is compared to rivers. rivers has proven to be a winner in the nfl.

i don't know. not excited after that readup.
this may have not been obvious, but i think he was comparing their play styles and strengths - not traveling to the future, seeing how their careers turn out, and comparing it to quarterbacks from the distant past.
It was.
 
3. Tony Pike, Cincinnati

Positives: Showing great resiliency to climb the Bearcats' entire six-man QB depth chart in '08, Pike went on to earn second-team All-Big East honors as a first-year starter and first team in '09. Pike posted a 48:18 TD-to-INT ratio and 61.9 completion rate in his final two years, guiding UC to an undefeated regular season as a senior. Pike wastes no time in his delivery, shows impressive touch at the first and second levels, and flashes enough arm strength to improve as a deep-ball thrower. The consensus at Senior Bowl week was that Pike was the most NFL-ready passer on either side, outplaying the field of Tim Tebow, Zac Robinson, Dan LeFevour, and Sean Canfield. WVU's Jarrett Brown showed more ability, but Brown was far less consistent than Pike.
I'm not sure what game Silva was watching, but Pike didn't look anything resembling "NFL-ready" at the Senior Bowl, and was IMO clearly outplayed by LeFevour and Robinson. He's got some great tools, and could develop into a solid NFL QB, but didn't look ready for anything but the bench.
 
3. Tony Pike, Cincinnati

Positives: Showing great resiliency to climb the Bearcats' entire six-man QB depth chart in '08, Pike went on to earn second-team All-Big East honors as a first-year starter and first team in '09. Pike posted a 48:18 TD-to-INT ratio and 61.9 completion rate in his final two years, guiding UC to an undefeated regular season as a senior. Pike wastes no time in his delivery, shows impressive touch at the first and second levels, and flashes enough arm strength to improve as a deep-ball thrower. The consensus at Senior Bowl week was that Pike was the most NFL-ready passer on either side, outplaying the field of Tim Tebow, Zac Robinson, Dan LeFevour, and Sean Canfield. WVU's Jarrett Brown showed more ability, but Brown was far less consistent than Pike.
I'm not sure what game Silva was watching, but Pike didn't look anything resembling "NFL-ready" at the Senior Bowl, and was IMO clearly outplayed by LeFevour and Robinson. He's got some great tools, and could develop into a solid NFL QB, but didn't look ready for anything but the bench.
Pike was not even close to being the most NFL ready QB at the Senior Bowl. I would rank the passers at that game like this:1 LeFevour

2 Brown

3 Robinson

4 Pike

5 Tebow

6 Canfield

I'm working on my QB rankings for Draftguys right now, and my list will look MUCH different.

 
Not saying he will be a NFL pro bowler or anything, but I have seen a lot of LeFevour over the last 4 years and there is no way he is the 11th best QB prospect in this class.

 
3. Tony Pike, Cincinnati

Positives: Showing great resiliency to climb the Bearcats' entire six-man QB depth chart in '08, Pike went on to earn second-team All-Big East honors as a first-year starter and first team in '09. Pike posted a 48:18 TD-to-INT ratio and 61.9 completion rate in his final two years, guiding UC to an undefeated regular season as a senior. Pike wastes no time in his delivery, shows impressive touch at the first and second levels, and flashes enough arm strength to improve as a deep-ball thrower. The consensus at Senior Bowl week was that Pike was the most NFL-ready passer on either side, outplaying the field of Tim Tebow, Zac Robinson, Dan LeFevour, and Sean Canfield. WVU's Jarrett Brown showed more ability, but Brown was far less consistent than Pike.
I'm not sure what game Silva was watching, but Pike didn't look anything resembling "NFL-ready" at the Senior Bowl, and was IMO clearly outplayed by LeFevour and Robinson. He's got some great tools, and could develop into a solid NFL QB, but didn't look ready for anything but the bench.
I've read Silva's stuff for a while.I put very little stock in his take on things.

This is a prime example.

 
This is a great write up. After reading this I'm a little more excited about the possibilities of Buffalo landing a good QB in the draft. I wasn't exactly sure about Bradford and Clausen but it's articles like this that makes me feel better about thier potential.
this makes me think this is a terrible class of qbs. the best comparison is to schaub? who had to sit for a couple of years, get traded, and is constantly labeled as injury-prone? who has never led a team to a winning record?and i'm not sure how i feel when the no. 1 guy is compared to schaub and the no. 2 guy is compared to rivers. rivers has proven to be a winner in the nfl. i don't know. not excited after that readup.
prior to this year, i think your assessment of schaub *might* have had some merit. this year, however, not so much. he played a full season, threw for an obscene amount of yardage, 29 td's and led the texans to their 9-7 season. he's entering his prime and is poised for some good years ahead.
 
Not saying he will be a NFL pro bowler or anything, but I have seen a lot of LeFevour over the last 4 years and there is no way he is the 11th best QB prospect in this class.
He's #3 in my rankings (that will debut on Friday over at Draftguys). I believe when all is said and done he could be the best QB in this draft class.
 
identikit said:
smashingsilver said:
3. Tony Pike, Cincinnati

Positives: Showing great resiliency to climb the Bearcats' entire six-man QB depth chart in '08, Pike went on to earn second-team All-Big East honors as a first-year starter and first team in '09. Pike posted a 48:18 TD-to-INT ratio and 61.9 completion rate in his final two years, guiding UC to an undefeated regular season as a senior. Pike wastes no time in his delivery, shows impressive touch at the first and second levels, and flashes enough arm strength to improve as a deep-ball thrower. The consensus at Senior Bowl week was that Pike was the most NFL-ready passer on either side, outplaying the field of Tim Tebow, Zac Robinson, Dan LeFevour, and Sean Canfield. WVU's Jarrett Brown showed more ability, but Brown was far less consistent than Pike.
I'm not sure what game Silva was watching, but Pike didn't look anything resembling "NFL-ready" at the Senior Bowl, and was IMO clearly outplayed by LeFevour and Robinson. He's got some great tools, and could develop into a solid NFL QB, but didn't look ready for anything but the bench.
I've read Silva's stuff for a while.I put very little stock in his take on things.

This is a prime example.
I don't know Evan Silva, but I did attend the Senior Bowl with Cecil, and I would be very curious who he talked to that said Pike was the most-NFL ready passer on either side. Maybe most GM-friendly, but NFL-ready? He didn't out-distance LeFevour or even Robinson enough to say that. If the consensus were the media gathered around the fences or the stands, then I understand his frame of reference (although I would not agree). I think Pike did little to elevate his stock.

 
Cecil Lammey said:
The Real Hipster Doofus said:
Not saying he will be a NFL pro bowler or anything, but I have seen a lot of LeFevour over the last 4 years and there is no way he is the 11th best QB prospect in this class.
He's #3 in my rankings (that will debut on Friday over at Draftguys). I believe when all is said and done he could be the best QB in this draft class.
This. :shrug: I have no clue what this guy was watching at the Senior bowl either.
 
The Real Hipster Doofus said:
Not saying he will be a NFL pro bowler or anything, but I have seen a lot of LeFevour over the last 4 years and there is no way he is the 11th best QB prospect in this class.
:shrug: I think some media just looks for a guy with a big arm or speed. They get impressed by the wrong things. LeFevour has enough arm strength to be good. If he can learn to manipulate a defense and become more accurate in the 15-40 yard range, he, like any QB prospect with adequate arm strength who achieves this, could be special. These two factors encompass probably two-thirds of what differentiates a very good starting NFL QB from "just a guy" in the NFL.
 
identikit said:
smashingsilver said:
3. Tony Pike, Cincinnati

Positives: Showing great resiliency to climb the Bearcats' entire six-man QB depth chart in '08, Pike went on to earn second-team All-Big East honors as a first-year starter and first team in '09. Pike posted a 48:18 TD-to-INT ratio and 61.9 completion rate in his final two years, guiding UC to an undefeated regular season as a senior. Pike wastes no time in his delivery, shows impressive touch at the first and second levels, and flashes enough arm strength to improve as a deep-ball thrower. The consensus at Senior Bowl week was that Pike was the most NFL-ready passer on either side, outplaying the field of Tim Tebow, Zac Robinson, Dan LeFevour, and Sean Canfield. WVU's Jarrett Brown showed more ability, but Brown was far less consistent than Pike.
I'm not sure what game Silva was watching, but Pike didn't look anything resembling "NFL-ready" at the Senior Bowl, and was IMO clearly outplayed by LeFevour and Robinson. He's got some great tools, and could develop into a solid NFL QB, but didn't look ready for anything but the bench.
I've read Silva's stuff for a while.I put very little stock in his take on things.

This is a prime example.
I don't know Evan Silva, but I did attend the Senior Bowl with Cecil, and I would be very curious who he talked to that said Pike was the most-NFL ready passer on either side. Maybe most GM-friendly, but NFL-ready? He didn't out-distance LeFevour or even Robinson enough to say that. If the consensus were the media gathered around the fences or the stands, then I understand his frame of reference (although I would not agree). I think Pike did little to elevate his stock.
The Senior Bowl tends to inflate QB's stock a little bit higher, since the defense(and this goes for any All Star Game) is very watered down, and no blitzing.A lot of scouts are questioning why it took Pike so long to ascend to a starting gig in a QB friendly offense.

Ironically, LeFevour was recruited by the same coach, Brian Kelly....

 
I got the sense while I was there that the stock of a player is only inflated by people in the media rather than folks who watch the film. These games are a good opportunity to see how a player practices (what techniques he knows like the back of his hand or bad habits that are ingrained and will need work), his natural physical skills, and how he works with others when he should be on his best behavior.

I think it might make someone take a second look at the player's performances to reconsider something either good or bad, but as much as I look forward to going back in 2011, I believe it would be a rarity to see a player really ascend a great deal based on these games unless he's a relative unknown from a smaller program.

 
What about Skelton? Does anybody know anything about him?
I saw him at the Shrine Game this year and the quick comparison is Joe Flacco. Small School, Tall, Rocket Arm.Having seen Flacco at the Senior Bowl a couple of years ago I would say Skelton has a long way to go before he's at Flacco's level.Looks like he's a bigger project then people expected, and wasn't as decisive or precise as he should be at the Shrine Game. He was a disappointment in Orlando, but somebody could bring him in and develop him .... but he needs a few years.Currently #13 in my rankings.
 
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I got the sense while I was there that the stock of a player is only inflated by people in the media rather than folks who watch the film. These games are a good opportunity to see how a player practices (what techniques he knows like the back of his hand or bad habits that are ingrained and will need work), his natural physical skills, and how he works with others when he should be on his best behavior. I think it might make someone take a second look at the player's performances to reconsider something either good or bad, but as much as I look forward to going back in 2011, I believe it would be a rarity to see a player really ascend a great deal based on these games unless he's a relative unknown from a smaller program.
:blackdot:players will go up or down 1 round at an All-Star game according to most scouts.However, a meteoric rise up the charts does happen from time to time. Matt Jones worked his way into the first-round with what I've called the Million Dollar catch. It was a one handed catch in the back of the end zone in practice that had teams drooling about what he COULD develop into. Dominique Rodgers Cromartie also saw his draft stock rise considerably because of a great performance in Mobile. Robert Ayers was not really considered a first-round pick before Mobile last season. He did a good job against Phil Loadholt and Michael Oher in practice, next thing you know the Broncos take him in the first.
 
Any thoughts on Riley Skinner from THE Forest? Kid was up and down throughout his career depending on surrounding talent, but truth is, he never had much help on the offensive side of the ball.

 

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