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The comments between people here an on other social media are ridiculous. Things aren't going to be as good as we hope, or as bad as we expect. If we can't work with each other, why do we expect our leaders to be any different. Be the bigger person, set an example, and be awesome to each other.

 
The comments between people here an on other social media are ridiculous. Things aren't going to be as good as we hope, or as bad as we expect. If we can't work with each other, why do we expect our leaders to be any different. Be the bigger person, set an example, and be awesome to each other.
Day to day won't change for probably anyone posting on this message board during 9-5 hours.  

 
Facebook is an absolute #### show. One of my closet friends went postal this morning. 

I stay off of it 350 days out of the year.....the 12 days I tend to browse it or check in to see some pictures......I can't believe what a cess pool of ***kery it has become.

 
Facebook is an absolute #### show. One of my closet friends went postal this morning. 

I stay off of it 350 days out of the year.....the 12 days I tend to browse it or check in to see some pictures......I can't believe what a cess pool of ***kery it has become.
Sounds like you need to be more selective in who/what you allow on your feed.

 
More importantly, invest the energy you waste publicly worrying about the world and establishing a political identity that the powerful can use against you into changing your little corner of it. And stop being customers and start being citizens again. As the ol' Dead White Man said "Self-reform does more to change the world than any crowd of noisy patriots".

 
Here is my honest to god no shtick thoughts on President Trump.

If Trump the President is like Trump the Campaigner, there's a big chance his Presidency will be historically bad.

If Trump the President is like Trump the Victory Speech giver, he could go on to have one of the most successful runs in POTUS history.

 
Hoping the best for you and your wife McGarnicle. 

I don't hold anything against anyone on this board. Except maybe Kool-aid Larry. (Ok, not even Kool-aid Larry)

 
not to often I can give a :hifive: to Minnesota politics.. But an amendment passed yesterday with flying colors:

“Shall the Minnesota Constitution be amended to remove legislators’ ability to set their own salaries, and instead establish an independent, citizens-only council to prescribe salaries for legislators?” 

Yes  2,261,002 (77%)
No    535,211 (18%)

 
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Yep, facebook is a mess right now. I problem is that I have so many jokes (like good ones) to make but obviously it's "too soon". My wife was up until 1:30am looking for countries to move to cuz she's convinced that she'll get raped and I'll get deported.

 
McGarnicle said:
Congratulations to those who supported Trump. What an amazing upset, truly stunning and historic.

I owe many of you an apology for being snarky and condescending in political threads over the past year. Politics was never a main interest of mine in this forum and I avoided these threads for the most part. As events unfolded I became really passionate and incredulous over what was happening. I acted like a know-it-all, and I wasn't alone, and we obviously failed to recognize the strength and breadth of this movement or whatever the #### it is that has just happened. I hope with every fiber of my being that president Trump is not the disaster that many would expect based on past evidence. But regardless of how I feel on that subject, the things I've said to some of you in here are inexcusable and do not reflect the person I want to be. For that I hope you will accept my apologies.

I am recovering from a health issue that is potentially serious if I don't keep my stress in check, and will be taking steps to take better care of myself. I'm also dealing with a wife who is a rape survivor from college and is in a mental state right now that concerns me and her family a great deal. I'm starting to feel overwhelmed and beaten down and it's feeling like a struggle just to keep breathing. The woman I fell in love with is funny, compassionate and level-headed, and she's now telling everyone in her (huge) family who supported Trump that she is disowning them, and insisting that we leave the country. In her words, our president-elect is the same person who assaulted her in college and she absolutely cannot live here under any circumstances. She is refusing to talk to a therapist about it and is close to quitting a very lucrative position so she can get on a flight to someplace else, I don't even think she knows where. Texts are blowing up from various family members and I have no idea what to tell them.

So to those of you gloating over this election and looking to rub my nose in it, enjoy the schadenfreude. Karma truly is a beeyotch (though I fully intend to whoop this and end up stronger for it in the end).




 
Hang in there.  We are all invested in this country together.  None of us know how this will go.  I suspect campaigning Trump fades away (no Twitter at 2am for starters) and he surrounds himself with some sharp minds to lead our great nation.  Some things will likely be better and others worse.  If he is awful, the Democrats come roaring back with new life over the things the people demand.  Best course right now is to give the guy a chance.  The people of this great country want him to lead it. Let's honor their wishes.

 
The comments between people here an on other social media are ridiculous. Things aren't going to be as good as we hope, or as bad as we expect. If we can't work with each other, why do we expect our leaders to be any different. Be the bigger person, set an example, and be awesome to each other.
I haven't been on Facebook at all because that place is always a political cesspool, but I think this particular forum has been remarkably restrained and courteous and positive this morning, all things considered.  Considering the severity of the circumstances (which I won't rehash here), this has been one of our best days, IMO.

 
Hang in there.  We are all invested in this country together.  None of us know how this will go.  I suspect campaigning Drumpf fades away (no Twitter at 2am for starters) and he surrounds himself with some sharp minds to lead our great nation.  Some things will likely be better and others worse.  If he is awful, the Democrats come roaring back with new life over the things the people demand.  Best course right now is to give the guy a chance.  The people of this great country want him to lead it. Let's honor their wishes.
Actually, they don't.  But I agree with everything else you said.

 
McGarnicle said:
Congratulations to those who supported Trump. What an amazing upset, truly stunning and historic.

I owe many of you an apology for being snarky and condescending in political threads over the past year. Politics was never a main interest of mine in this forum and I avoided these threads for the most part. As events unfolded I became really passionate and incredulous over what was happening. I acted like a know-it-all, and I wasn't alone, and we obviously failed to recognize the strength and breadth of this movement or whatever the #### it is that has just happened. I hope with every fiber of my being that president Trump is not the disaster that many would expect based on past evidence. But regardless of how I feel on that subject, the things I've said to some of you in here are inexcusable and do not reflect the person I want to be. For that I hope you will accept my apologies.

I am recovering from a health issue that is potentially serious if I don't keep my stress in check, and will be taking steps to take better care of myself. I'm also dealing with a wife who is a rape survivor from college and is in a mental state right now that concerns me and her family a great deal. I'm starting to feel overwhelmed and beaten down and it's feeling like a struggle just to keep breathing. The woman I fell in love with is funny, compassionate and level-headed, and she's now telling everyone in her (huge) family who supported Trump that she is disowning them, and insisting that we leave the country. In her words, our president-elect is the same person who assaulted her in college and she absolutely cannot live here under any circumstances. She is refusing to talk to a therapist about it and is close to quitting a very lucrative position so she can get on a flight to someplace else, I don't even think she knows where. Texts are blowing up from various family members and I have no idea what to tell them.

So to those of you gloating over this election and looking to rub my nose in it, enjoy the schadenfreude. Karma truly is a beeyotch (though I fully intend to whoop this and end up stronger for it in the end).
Sorry to hear this and I wish you and your wife the best.

 
I haven't been on Facebook at all because that place is always a political cesspool, but I think this particular forum has been remarkably restrained and courteous and positive this morning, all things considered.  Considering the severity of the circumstances (which I won't rehash here), this has been one of our best days, IMO.
Agreed.  My facebook newsfeed resembles a middle school playground. I don't think this board is anywhere near as bad. 

 
Seeing people freak out over the trump win has been an unexpected gift that I am thoroughly enjoying more than I should. I never go on Facebook but am attracted to it now like a moth to a flame.

 
McGarnicle said:
I initially told my wife I'd consider Toronto or Vancouver just to placate her. But I mean come on, how absurd for anyone to be seriously considering leaving the country over this. I'm going to tell her 4 years is a relatively short time and I'm staying here in the country I love, yada yada gotta stand up and fight etc. 

We're probably 50/50 to stay together imo, less if she refuses treatment.
Dude.  I'm sorry to hear you're having such problems.   So was the whole working from home and eating brownies and having a great time just shtick or do you have some type of multiple personality disorder.  You were my hero for a stretch there.

 
Lol at "working together." The GOP was nothing but an obstruction to Obama. If the democrats in the house and senate give anything to Trump other than a roadblock, it will be a travesty.

 
Lol at "working together." The GOP was nothing but an obstruction to Obama. If the democrats in the house and senate give anything to Trump other than a roadblock, it will be a travesty.
Seriously.  8 years of absolute obstructionism and suddenly we're all buddies making the country great again.   

 
Dude.  I'm sorry to hear you're having such problems.   So was the whole working from home and eating brownies and having a great time just shtick or do you have some type of multiple personality disorder.  You were my hero for a stretch there.
Everyone runs into a rough patch. Recently have had management changes and now forced to report to an office a few days a week, so that's changed. Brownies are fun but being stoned all the time is no way to squelch the anxiety/stress of everyday life. I'd say I'm in a reckoning period, having to face certain issues like an adult instead of bs'ing my way through life. 

 
Lol at "working together." The GOP was nothing but an obstruction to Obama. If the democrats in the house and senate give anything to Trump other than a roadblock, it will be a travesty.
"He started it" is an argument that we don't even allow 5-year olds to make.

 
Lol at "working together." The GOP was nothing but an obstruction to Obama. If the democrats in the house and senate give anything to Trump other than a roadblock, it will be a travesty.
When I think of "working together" I think more "showing refugees and Muslims and Hispanic immigrants that they are still welcome in this country." Or "showing victims of sexual assault that just because we elected someone who sexually assaulted women doesn't mean we're OK with it or that we are ignoring their pain."   Surely there are some people who voted for Trump would would agree to work with us on those things.

But yeah, politically it's gonna be a ####show.  The GOP leadership is owed zero cooperation and I expect they will not receive any.

 
Everyone runs into a rough patch. Recently have had management changes and now forced to report to an office a few days a week, so that's changed. Brownies are fun but being stoned all the time is no way to squelch the anxiety/stress of everyday life. I'd say I'm in a reckoning period, having to face certain issues like an adult instead of bs'ing my way through life. 
:lol:   I hear ya.   I was like that for about 6 months but had to go cold turkey as that just wasn't the way to roll at that stage in my life.  But every year, we get a little closer to the point where that's no longer the case.

 
Everyone runs into a rough patch. Recently have had management changes and now forced to report to an office a few days a week, so that's changed. Brownies are fun but being stoned all the time is no way to squelch the anxiety/stress of everyday life. I'd say I'm in a reckoning period, having to face certain issues like an adult instead of bs'ing my way through life. 
That doesn't sound like too much fun...

 
McGarnicle said:
I initially told my wife I'd consider Toronto or Vancouver just to placate her. But I mean come on, how absurd for anyone to be seriously considering leaving the country over this. I'm going to tell her 4 years is a relatively short time and I'm staying here in the country I love, yada yada gotta stand up and fight etc. 

We're probably 50/50 to stay together imo, less if she refuses treatment.
My wife was an incest victim and it took every ounce of my talent & effort to nudge her off her fixations - real & imagined - well enough to be able to deal. I can imagine how my Mary would feel about a Molester-in-Chief reminding her daily of how little the world understands her pain. The answer to pain is love - give what you can without driving your own self nuts, buy time, hope and ask your family to do the same. And, above all, telling her she's wrong or that it really doesn't matter is a later thing, not a now thing. GL and remember each day brings opportunity with challenge.

 
McGarnicle said:
I initially told my wife I'd consider Toronto or Vancouver just to placate her. But I mean come on, how absurd for anyone to be seriously considering leaving the country over this. I'm going to tell her 4 years is a relatively short time and I'm staying here in the country I love, yada yada gotta stand up and fight etc. 

We're probably 50/50 to stay together imo, less if she refuses treatment.
Hang in there man.

 
For those who may thing Dems/Liberals/Clinton supporters are overreacting or being irrational, a thought experiment:

Imagine Donald Trump has won the popular vote yesterday, but lost the election because a certain region/demographic group was given outsize influence due to a bizarre method of choosing the president based on awarding a set number of "points" to different states regardless of whether you win that state by 3 votes or 3 million votes.

Now imagine it was the second time it had happened to Trump's party in the last five elections.

Do you think the reaction this morning would be as measured and conciliatory as what we're seeing from Dems/Libs/Clinton supporters? Be honest.

 
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If he is awful, the Democrats come roaring back with new life over the things the people demand.  Best course right now is to give the guy a chance.  The people of this great country want him to lead it. Let's honor their wishes.
We should have more options than just Republicans and Democrats. IMO, neither are the answer.

 
Although I gotta say, trolling on facebook this morning is too easy... if you're into that sort of thing. :oldunsure:

 
We should have more options than just Republicans and Democrats. IMO, neither are the answer.
We might be able to have different options that Republicans or Democrats, but we'll never have more than two options, at least not on any significant scale. That's just not how the system is set up to work.  Even if you miraculously set up a third party that had equally little in common with the other two parties, some people in two of the parties would eventually realize they could take over the government by combining forces.

The only way this will ever change is if we change to a a model where legislatures are chosen nationally and proportionally rather than winner-take-all by state or district.  And that's just not going to happen.

Oh, by the way, this election provides a perfect example of the folly of it.  It's very possible Clinton wins the election if you give her Stein's votes, or <50% of Johnson's.  If Trump is the disaster that many of us fear, this will turn people off to third party voting just as Nader did in 2000. Third parties who want to find sustained success need to study history or  they will be doomed to repeat it once again.  Act locally, not nationally.  Don't set yourself up to be the scapegoat for an unpopular presidency.

 
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Hang in there.  We are all invested in this country together.  None of us know how this will go.  I suspect campaigning Trump fades away (no Twitter at 2am for starters) and he surrounds himself with some sharp minds to lead our great nation.  Some things will likely be better and others worse.  If he is awful, the Democrats come roaring back with new life over the things the people demand.  Best course right now is to give the guy a chance.  The people of this great country want him to lead it. Let's honor their wishes.
If the sharp minds he's chosen so far are any indication I'm not optimistic. Rudy and Christie and the like. And a VP who doesn't believe in science?  Barf. 

I'm very depressed but will give him a chance. But I also am worried about my wife. She's struggling really hard right now and my 4.5 year old just doesn't get it. It's going to be a tough road forward I'm afraid. 

 
Deep breaths and relaxing are fine for now ... but one point I think we should start thinking about.  When the next Michael Brown or Tamir Rice or Eric Garner comes, we need to be ready for the #### to hit the fan to an extent we've never seen before. 

The African-American community felt poorly treated and victimized by "the system" when Barack Obama was president.  How are they going to feel when Mr. law and order Donald Trump- the man openly backed by the KKK, the man who tried to sentence the innocent Central Park Five to the death penalty through the media, the man who has been campaigning with barely hidden dog whistles for a year now- is the president? With Rudy Giuliani, he of "stop and frisk" and "the broken windows theory" of law enforcement, as his attorney general? With an FBI that by many accounts seemed to be putting their finger on the scales for Trump?

I fear it is going to be very, very, very, ugly, and we probably need to get ready for it.

 
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If the sharp minds he's chosen so far are any indication I'm not optimistic. Rudy and Christie and the like. And a VP who doesn't believe in science?  Barf. 

I'm very depressed but will give him a chance. But I also am worried about my wife. She's struggling really hard right now and my 4.5 year old just doesn't get it. It's going to be a tough road forward I'm afraid. 
Is this for real? Guys, R-E-L-A-X. Everything will be OK.

 
Deep breaths and relaxing are fine for now ... but one point I think we should start thinking about.  When the next Michael Brown or Tamir Rice or Eric Garner comes, we need to be ready for the #### to hit the fan to an extent we've never seen before. 

The African-American community felt poorly treated and victimized by "the system" when Barack Obama was president.  How are they going to feel when Mr. law and order Donald Trump- the man openly backed by the KKK, the man who tried to sentence the innocent Central Park Five to the death penalty through the media, the man who has been campaigning with barely hidden dog whistles for a year now- is the president? With Rudy Giuliani, he of "stop and frisk" and "the broken windows theory" of law enforcement, as his attorney general? With an FBI that by many accounts seemed to be putting their finger on the scales for Trump?

I fear it is going to be very, very, very, ugly, and we probably need to get ready for it.
This is such a load of nonsense... 

 
McGarnicle said:
Congratulations to those who supported Trump. What an amazing upset, truly stunning and historic.

I owe many of you an apology for being snarky and condescending in political threads over the past year. Politics was never a main interest of mine in this forum and I avoided these threads for the most part. As events unfolded I became really passionate and incredulous over what was happening. I acted like a know-it-all, and I wasn't alone, and we obviously failed to recognize the strength and breadth of this movement or whatever the #### it is that has just happened. I hope with every fiber of my being that president Trump is not the disaster that many would expect based on past evidence. But regardless of how I feel on that subject, the things I've said to some of you in here are inexcusable and do not reflect the person I want to be. For that I hope you will accept my apologies.

I am recovering from a health issue that is potentially serious if I don't keep my stress in check, and will be taking steps to take better care of myself. I'm also dealing with a wife who is a rape survivor from college and is in a mental state right now that concerns me and her family a great deal. I'm starting to feel overwhelmed and beaten down and it's feeling like a struggle just to keep breathing. The woman I fell in love with is funny, compassionate and level-headed, and she's now telling everyone in her (huge) family who supported Trump that she is disowning them, and insisting that we leave the country. In her words, our president-elect is the same person who assaulted her in college and she absolutely cannot live here under any circumstances. She is refusing to talk to a therapist about it and is close to quitting a very lucrative position so she can get on a flight to someplace else, I don't even think she knows where. Texts are blowing up from various family members and I have no idea what to tell them.

So to those of you gloating over this election and looking to rub my nose in it, enjoy the schadenfreude. Karma truly is a beeyotch (though I fully intend to whoop this and end up stronger for it in the end).
Man, McG, sorry to hear this.

After researching you a bit trying to figure out what shirts to get you, I realized more of what kind of person you are.  You are just a good dude with different passions than mine and that's OK.  You are funny and witty and caring and the world is a better place because of you, of that I am certain.

I hope your wife can begin to move past her experiences.  I hope she can find some real help.  I hope the suffering will stop and I'm sorry that Trump as President is so unsettling to her.  She will have to come to the same point that we all have to come to; the only thing you can really control in life is how you respond to the things that happen.  I know it's not your thing, but I took a minute to pray for you guys.  Hope it gets better.

 
Is this for real? Guys, R-E-L-A-X. Everything will be OK.
It's real. And I'm unconvinced it will be ok on many many issues that are important to me and people close to me. But I'm open minded that trump will be the exact opposite of what he has shown during the last year.  

 
I don't have the energy today. Hopefully this will suffice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJKythlXAIY
Nope, sorry.  I just don't see how an African-American community, already (rightfully IMO) upset at what they perceive as unjust treatment by law enforcement and the powers that be, is going to refrain from boiling over when the next Tamir Rice happens but under a Donald Trump presidency (elected despite having maybe 10% black support tops), supported by local police unions, and with a Giuliani- led Justice Department?  Anyone?

 
Nope, sorry.  I just don't see how an African-American community, already (rightfully IMO) upset at what they perceive as unjust treatment by law enforcement and the powers that be, is going to refrain from boiling over when the next Tamir Rice happens but under a Donald Trump presidency (elected despite having maybe 10% black support tops), supported by local police unions, and with a Giuliani- led Justice Department?  Anyone?
Can't wait until stop and frisk goes into national policy!  :deep breath:

 
Tobias, maybe save it for one of the other dozen political threads?  :shrug:

I'm an ### hat sometimes, like to argue, debate and speculate.  But even I'm smart enough not to try and pick a fight in a thread that started out the way this one did.

 
Nope, sorry.  I just don't see how an African-American community, already (rightfully IMO) upset at what they perceive as unjust treatment by law enforcement and the powers that be, is going to refrain from boiling over when the next Tamir Rice happens but under a Donald Trump presidency (elected despite having maybe 10% black support tops), supported by local police unions, and with a Giuliani- led Justice Department?  Anyone?
Do you honestly think BLM represents the average black person? Have you considered that while Colin kaepernick is kneeling during the national anthem, the vast, vast majority (probably 99%+) of African-American players and coaches do not join him?

Have you looked at the numbers of black voters in this election? It's way down from the what Obama received. Why? Do you think it possible that maybe they don't share the concern you have on their behalf? 

Do you really think your average black person, who didn't participate in riots under Obama is suddenly going to start rioting because Trump is president? I don't think your concerns are very rational.

 

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