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Explosions at Boston Marathon (3 Viewers)

picture of him in the ambulance

all I can see is nose
You could see that snozz from space.

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I don't like this excuse to waive the Miranda warning.
:goodposting: this

is bad
He was read his Miranda rights while he was still in the boat.
where'd you hear this?
George Zornick @gzornick
Pete Williams on NBC says federal authorities read Dzhokhar his Miranda rights on the boat. Sorry Lindsey
Conflicts with Pierre Thomas on ABC. I prefer your version.
This is why I only listen to Mark Ingram.

 
I'll say this delicately : I'm glad he's going to face justice and I'm glad they got him alive so they can learn whiy this happened. But I think it's going to be the story of a kid that didn't completely fit in being influenced by a hero figure (brother) and ruining his life for no real reason.Sad for the victims. Sad for the people there. Sad for the people of Boston. But also a little sad for this 19 year old.
Twitter "friend" of his: I'm pretty sure his brother or uncle forced him to do #### Jahar ain't that type of person son he's good hearted ! Strange reference to uncle. Doesn't matter though if he truly did this. He deserves to rot in hell.
And he will. Which is sad no matter who it is.
he lost his sympathy card ,sorry

 
I don't like this excuse to waive the Miranda warning.
:goodposting: this is bad
more details please
the law isn't going to Mirandize him.. something about needing to ensure he doesn't have information about an "immediate threat". no lawyer will be present at least for the initial questioning.

this should mean anything he says pre-lawyer is inadmissible, no?

could not matter as they may declare him an 'enemy combatant' who has no rights. if that's the case... yikes
Break this down for me like you would to a little kid. I'm not invoking schtick, I'm legitimately asking because this would be sickening. There's no way this guy or his lawyer could plausibly find a loophole on anything he's done due to procedure, right?

 
How's the boat doing?

Bloody, full of bullet holes, and ash from flashbangs, I'm sure.

I wonder how much that dude could get for it at auction right now.
let's say that were your mother####ing boat, and let's say it was a really nice one.

now, let's say you happen to glance out the window and see him sneak on there.

honest answer -- knowing the police will shoot the #### out of it, do you call them immediately, or wait 'til he sneaks off before calling?
The man had a family with kids.

Were I in his position and properly equipped, I might start the shooting myself.

 
I don't like this excuse to waive the Miranda warning.
:goodposting: this is bad
more details please
the law isn't going to Mirandize him.. something about needing to ensure he doesn't have information about an "immediate threat". no lawyer will be present at least for the initial questioning.

this should mean anything he says pre-lawyer is inadmissible, no?

could not matter as they may declare him an 'enemy combatant' who has no rights. if that's the case... yikes
Break this down for me like you would to a little kid. I'm not invoking schtick, I'm legitimately asking because this would be sickening. There's no way this guy or his lawyer could plausibly find a loophole on anything he's done due to procedure, right?
From Wiki:

The Miranda rule is not, however, absolute. An exception exists in cases of "public safety". This limited and case-specific exception allows certain unadvised statements (given without Miranda warnings) to be admissible into evidence at trial when they were elicited in circumstances where there was great danger to public safety.[8]

The public safety exception derives from New York v. Quarles, a case in which the Supreme Court considered the admissibility of a statement elicited by a police officer who apprehended a rape suspect who was thought to be carrying a firearm. The arrest took place in a crowded grocery store. When the officer arrested the suspect, he found an empty shoulder holster, handcuffed the suspect, and asked him where the gun was. The suspect nodded in the direction of the gun (which was near some empty cartons) and said, "The gun is over there". The Supreme Court found that such an unadvised statement was admissible in evidence because "n a kaleidoscopic situation such as the one confronting these officers, where spontaneity rather than adherence to a police manual is necessarily the order of the day, the application of the exception we recognize today should not be made to depend on post hoc findings at a suppression hearing concerning the subjective motivation of the police officer".[9] Thus, the jurisprudential rule of Miranda must yield in "a situation where concern for public safety must be paramount to adherence to the literal language of the prophylactic rules enunciated in Miranda". The rule of Miranda is not, therefore, absolute and can be a bit more elastic in cases of public safety.[8]

 
Boston is probably the only major city that if you #### with them, they will shut down the whole city...stop everything.. and find you

happy gilmore
Watching the limelight shine on the character of Bostonians has been a guilty pleasure for me in the aftermath of this deplorable act.

 
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picture of him in the ambulance

all I can see is nose
You could see that snozz from space.

>>

I don't like this excuse to waive the Miranda warning.
:goodposting: this

is bad
He was read his Miranda rights while he was still in the boat.
where'd you hear this?
George Zornick @gzornick
Pete Williams on NBC says federal authorities read Dzhokhar his Miranda rights on the boat. Sorry Lindsey
Would you Mirandize in a boat?

Would you Mirandize with a note?

 
I don't like this excuse to waive the Miranda warning.
:goodposting: this is bad
more details please
the law isn't going to Mirandize him.. something about needing to ensure he doesn't have information about an "immediate threat". no lawyer will be present at least for the initial questioning.

this should mean anything he says pre-lawyer is inadmissible, no?

could not matter as they may declare him an 'enemy combatant' who has no rights. if that's the case... yikes
Break this down for me like you would to a little kid. I'm not invoking schtick, I'm legitimately asking because this would be sickening. There's no way this guy or his lawyer could plausibly find a loophole on anything he's done due to procedure, right?
From Wiki:

The Miranda rule is not, however, absolute. An exception exists in cases of "public safety". This limited and case-specific exception allows certain unadvised statements (given without Miranda warnings) to be admissible into evidence at trial when they were elicited in circumstances where there was great danger to public safety.[8]

The public safety exception derives from New York v. Quarles, a case in which the Supreme Court considered the admissibility of a statement elicited by a police officer who apprehended a rape suspect who was thought to be carrying a firearm. The arrest took place in a crowded grocery store. When the officer arrested the suspect, he found an empty shoulder holster, handcuffed the suspect, and asked him where the gun was. The suspect nodded in the direction of the gun (which was near some empty cartons) and said, "The gun is over there". The Supreme Court found that such an unadvised statement was admissible in evidence because "n a kaleidoscopic situation such as the one confronting these officers, where spontaneity rather than adherence to a police manual is necessarily the order of the day, the application of the exception we recognize today should not be made to depend on post hoc findings at a suppression hearing concerning the subjective motivation of the police officer".[9] Thus, the jurisprudential rule of Miranda must yield in "a situation where concern for public safety must be paramount to adherence to the literal language of the prophylactic rules enunciated in Miranda". The rule of Miranda is not, therefore, absolute and can be a bit more elastic in cases of public safety.[8]
:thumbup:

Thanks Chase, answered my question.

 
Miranda Warning explanation dodged the question. She explained the safety exemption is allowed but not that it was used.

 
So glad that suspect 2 is in custody.

Doing absolutely nothing today without work to do drove me nuts.

I don't know how people without jobs do it.

 
Just had this exchange at the supermarket. I arrive at the register in the middle of a conversation between the checker and bagger.

Checker (to bagger): "They killed him. Cops shot him. Unbelievable. They killed the guy."

Me: "Really? I just heard 10 minutes ago they captured him alive."

Checker: "What?"

Me. "The 2nd suspect. They found him hiding in a boat, caught him alive."

Checker: "We're talking about something else."

Me : "Oh." :unsure:

 
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Miranda Warning explanation dodged the question. She explained the safety exemption is allowed but not that it was used.
It was used, or will be used.

Reading someone their Miranda rights isn't a formality. The point is after reading them their rights, (if they so choose), they can't be questioned without a lawyer present. Just reading them their rights isn't anything if you interrogate them afterwards without a lawyer (unless he waives them, which seems unlikely).

They're not going to delay interrogation for him to get a lawyer.

 
Just had this exchange at the supermarket. I arrive at the register in the middle of a conversation between the checker and bagger.

Checker (to bagger): "They killed him. Cops shot him. Unbelievable. They killed the guy."

Me: "Really? I just heard 10 minutes ago they captured him alive."

Checker: "What?"

Me. "The 2nd suspect. They found him hiding in a boat, caught him alive."

Checker: "We're talking about something else."

Me : "Oh." :unsure:
:lmao:

 

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