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Explosions at Boston Marathon (1 Viewer)

If you have money to burn and are an MIT alumni or your kid goes there you better contribute to Officer Collier's funeral or his wife/kids if he has any. Scholarship fund. Something.

 
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Daywalker said:
southeastjerome said:
Buckfast 1 said:
Raider Nation said:
Gotta love the uncle. Reporter: "What do you think provoked this?" Uncle: "Being losers!" :lmao:
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That quote was the best thing to come out of this terrible tragedy.
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Seriously, I love that uncle. Too bad he wasn't their father.
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That guy is American. Immigrant spirit with an ###-kicker attitude.
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That's a little out of context. They asked him if he could think of any reason why they (his nephews) would do this since the uncle said that he could believe that it would be based on religion. So he kinda made a hypothesis of "being losers who could not get set up in life in America, maybe they resented and hated everyone for it." He wasn't saying they were losers per se, just kinda coming up with a theory because he really didn't think it was a Muslim thing.

Not totally far off from calling them losers, but there was a little context. He also had not seen them since 2006, so he wouldn't really know if they were "losers" really.

 
Is it basically that young people are easy to manipulate? Odd that it seemingly is always young people who get "disillusioned" with life and tie on suicide vests and not someone who is 65 and at the end of their run.

 
Novice2 said:
Daywalker said:
Is it basically that young people are easy to manipulate? Odd that it seemingly is always young people who get "disillusioned" with life and tie on suicide vests and not someone who is 65 and at the end of their run.
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youth is wasted on the young.
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Seems like an issue the U.S. counter-intelligence PR-machine could exploit. Why are all these wise old-men telling you to strap on a vest when they won't? Perhaps it's better that the age range skews young and the potential enemy-pool is smaller.

 
Globe correspondent recalls friendship with Boston marathon bombing suspect

http://www.boston.com/sports/2013/04/19/globe-correspondent-recalls-friendship-with-boston-marathon-bombing-suspect/mx1kStXk0QQcrWCaFFb6VI/story.html

This entire week has left me full of remorse. Remorse not just for the friend I thought I knew, but for the people he is allegedly accused of hurting, even killing. I feel remorse for 8-year-old Martin Richard. I feel remorse for Krystle Campbell. I feel remorse for Lingzi Lu. I feel remorse for MIT police officer Sean Collier. I feel remorse for their families and for every single person who has been hurt physically or mentally in the Boston Marathon bombings.
The Dzhokhar I knew was a young man who spent all night looking in his car for a new phone I clumsily lost. He left work early just to help me retrace my steps.
He was a young man who proudly shook my hand after I told him I was hired at the Boston Globe.
He was a captain on the Cambridge Ringe and Latin wrestling team, he was in the National Honor Society, he earned a scholarship to a four-year university. It seemed no one ever had a problem with Dzhokhar.
I didn’t know his older brother, Tamerlan, who was shot and killed by police

Friday, and I don’t know what kind of influence he might have had on him.
I don’t know what could have happened to Dzhokhar in the last year.
What I do know is I grieve for Cambridge, Watertown, Boston, and all of the families who call those places home, like I do.
I will always remember Dzhokhar, a friend who embraced me for a high school graduation photograph.
But it seems the young man I knew is gone.
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Mister Martie said:
Can we not engage this TPW loon? It's just feeds his bizarre persecution fetish and clogs up the thread.
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Poor babies. I'm so sorry you guys get butthurt when somebody busts the little groupthink bubble you've created for yourselves here. Reality doesn't suffer fools gladly. Deal with it.

 
TPW said:
Mister Martie said:
Can we not engage this TPW loon? It's just feeds his bizarre persecution fetish and clogs up the thread.
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Poor babies. I'm so sorry you guys get butthurt when somebody busts the little groupthink bubble you've created for yourselves here. Reality doesn't suffer fools gladly. Deal with it.
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Just stop. Nobody likes you, and if you're trolling you do an awful job. Really. Go hide in a hole until you die.

 
I'm not here to make friends. I simply speak the truth and that evidently offends a lot of people. C'est la vie.

 
So pretty strange day waking up in Boston. Emotionally emptied... I want to go outside and get some fresh air after yesterday but it is raining. Was actually planning on my first run post-marathon...

Anyway, it will be good to close the chapter on all of this. I am sure the trial will be a ####-show, with a lot of apologists for this 19 year old who was 'influenced by his brother'. If anyone finds themselves thinking that for one second go find the photo where this guy places the bag right behind 8 year old Martin. Look at that photo, look left and right. Not a lot of kids in that photo. I have no remorse in my heart for him.

Lastly, police / FBI did a great job here. I am tempted to say most, but at least many worked 12-18 hr shifts yesterday hunting these guys down. One officer lost his life, another is in critical condition. I have a lot of respect for them and what they did.

 
So, there was some sort of shootout near the boat last night before they got into the standoff. Anyone know if that was just the cops shooting at the boat, or if White Hat was shooting too?

 
The people who have remorse for this kid are the same ####### ruining this country with their PC bull####. These are the same people who say we shouldnt profile at airports and who give participation awards to all the kids on the little league team.

 
wdcrob said:
So, there was some sort of shootout near the boat last night before they got into the standoff. Anyone know if that was just the cops shooting at the boat, or if White Hat was shooting too?
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Good question, was wondering this too.

 
wilked said:
So pretty strange day waking up in Boston. Emotionally emptied... I want to go outside and get some fresh air after yesterday but it is raining. Was actually planning on my first run post-marathon...

Anyway, it will be good to close the chapter on all of this. I am sure the trial will be a ####-show, with a lot of apologists for this 19 year old who was 'influenced by his brother'. If anyone finds themselves thinking that for one second go find the photo where this guy places the bag right behind 8 year old Martin. Look at that photo, look left and right. Not a lot of kids in that photo. I have no remorse in my heart for him.

Lastly, police / FBI did a great job here. I am tempted to say most, but at least many worked 12-18 hr shifts yesterday hunting these guys down. One officer lost his life, another is in critical condition. I have a lot of respect for them and what they did.
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I would look to the beltway shootings for us not to be too concerned with White Hat's justice

 
Daywalker said:
Is it basically that young people are easy to manipulate? Odd that it seemingly is always young people who get "disillusioned" with life and tie on suicide vests and not someone who is 65 and at the end of their run.
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And young people are who we target for our military ...

 
Definitely a weird and different week. A few things that will be interesting to watch is how this American citizen will be treated. The discussion of how a 19 year old can completely shut down a major city and the repercussions from that. The background of these two. Fox news was hammering the Jihadist angle this morning but there isnt a whole lot of evidence to that. Will be curious to see what the investigation brings out.

 
If you guys stop boating and marathon-ing, then the terrorists have won. I do neither of these but intend to take them up soon to show these guys we mean business. If it doesn't pan out, maybe ill just get a bumper sticker or change my screensaver. The point is, we gotta do something

 
whoknew said:
jon_mx said:
whoknew said:
Not sure if this is a repeat but Dershowitz making a lot of sense on CNN.
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About what
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Legal issues - where the case will be tried, motions the defense will make, very strange (and huge mistake - according to Dershowitz) of government to not read him his Miranda rights.
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From the attorney lady last night they never confirmed or denied reading miranda rights. She dodged the question by explaining that the public safety exemption was available. She never confirmed if it was used unless there's new info since then.

 
Per Huff Post:

WASHINGTON -- A Justice Department official says the Boston Marathon bombing suspect will not be read his Miranda rights because the government is invoking a public safety exception.

That official and a second person briefed on the investigation says 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev will be questioned by a special interrogation team for high-value suspects. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to disclose the information publicly.

The public safety exception permits law enforcement officials to engage in a limited and focused unwarned interrogation of a suspect and allows the government to introduce the statement as evidence in court. The public safety exception is triggered when police officers have an objectively reasonable need to protect the police or the public from immediate danger.

 
From FBI explanation:

When police officers are confronted by a concern for public safety, Miranda warnings need not be provided prior to asking questions directed at neutralizing an imminent threat, and voluntary statements made in response to such narrowly tailored questions can be admitted at trial. Once the questions turn from those designed to resolve the concern for safety to questions designed solely to elicit incriminating statements, the questioning falls outside the scope of the exception and within the traditional rules of Miranda.
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pantherclub said:
Baloney Sandwich said:
The Comedian said:
The whole US citizen on American soil being held as an enemy combatant is a little unsettling.
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Yeah, that is definitely going to keep me up at night.
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do you not understand the slippery slope this creates?
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I try to live in the real world, not an ivory tower. I have no problem with civil liberties going out the window under these types of circumstances. Liberals like to call this a slippery slope yet when conservatives will no doubt call for tightening of our borders over this incident they will ridicule them. However, aren't conservatives making a similar slippery slope argument when it comes to immigration? Letting in 999 law abiding foreigners but letting 1 terrorist in is a slippery slope, no?
 
I'm not sure why this should be so difficult.

The American legal system worked just fine with McVeigh and friends. No reason to think it would not work equally as well in this case.

 
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Per Huff Post:

WASHINGTON -- A Justice Department official says the Boston Marathon bombing suspect will not be read his Miranda rights because the government is invoking a public safety exception.

That official and a second person briefed on the investigation says 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev will be questioned by a special interrogation team for high-value suspects. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to disclose the information publicly.

The public safety exception permits law enforcement officials to engage in a limited and focused unwarned interrogation of a suspect and allows the government to introduce the statement as evidence in court. The public safety exception is triggered when police officers have an objectively reasonable need to protect the police or the public from immediate danger.
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wdcrob said:
From FBI explanation:

When police officers are confronted by a concern for public safety, Miranda warnings need not be provided prior to asking questions directed at neutralizing an imminent threat, and voluntary statements made in response to such narrowly tailored questions can be admitted at trial. Once the questions turn from those designed to resolve the concern for safety to questions designed solely to elicit incriminating statements, the questioning falls outside the scope of the exception and within the traditional rules of Miranda.
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Not sure what they gain here to be honest. Seems like no Miranda just opens the door for a good defense attorney.
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I guess they want to be able to question him about the possibility of other bombs laying around Boston. But this really seems like a worrisome path to me.

 
Baloney Sandwich said:
pantherclub said:
Baloney Sandwich said:
The Comedian said:
The whole US citizen on American soil being held as an enemy combatant is a little unsettling.
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Yeah, that is definitely going to keep me up at night.
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do you not understand the slippery slope this creates?
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I try to live in the real world, not an ivory tower. I have no problem with civil liberties going out the window under these types of circumstances. Liberals like to call this a slippery slope yet when conservatives will no doubt call for tightening of our borders over this incident they will ridicule them. However, aren't conservatives making a similar slippery slope argument when it comes to immigration? Letting in 999 law abiding foreigners but letting 1 terrorist in is a slippery slope, no?
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That argument doesnt make any sense. At all. What are you talking about?
 
Baloney Sandwich said:
pantherclub said:
Baloney Sandwich said:
The Comedian said:
The whole US citizen on American soil being held as an enemy combatant is a little unsettling.
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Yeah, that is definitely going to keep me up at night.
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do you not understand the slippery slope this creates?
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I try to live in the real world, not an ivory tower. I have no problem with civil liberties going out the window under these types of circumstances. Liberals like to call this a slippery slope yet when conservatives will no doubt call for tightening of our borders over this incident they will ridicule them. However, aren't conservatives making a similar slippery slope argument when it comes to immigration? Letting in 999 law abiding foreigners but letting 1 terrorist in is a slippery slope, no?
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wait what?

 
otello said:
Per Huff Post:

WASHINGTON -- A Justice Department official says the Boston Marathon bombing suspect will not be read his Miranda rights because the government is invoking a public safety exception.

That official and a second person briefed on the investigation says 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev will be questioned by a special interrogation team for high-value suspects. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to disclose the information publicly.

The public safety exception permits law enforcement officials to engage in a limited and focused unwarned interrogation of a suspect and allows the government to introduce the statement as evidence in court. The public safety exception is triggered when police officers have an objectively reasonable need to protect the police or the public from immediate danger.
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Thanks for that clarification.

 
This scumbag is a US citizen. He may not make my top 10 favorite US citizens of all time, but he's yet to be convicted of anything. How much protection does "due process" provide if it can be suspended by the government without any...well, due process?

I get that there's an exception for public safety, but that hardly seems like it would be a difficult hurdle to jump. Lots of things can be said to be in the name of public safety.

 
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