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Globe correspondent recalls friendship with Boston marathon bombing suspect

http://www.boston.com/sports/2013/04/19/globe-correspondent-recalls-friendship-with-boston-marathon-bombing-suspect/mx1kStXk0QQcrWCaFFb6VI/story.html

This entire week has left me full of remorse. Remorse not just for the friend I thought I knew, but for the people he is allegedly accused of hurting, even killing. I feel remorse for 8-year-old Martin Richard. I feel remorse for Krystle Campbell. I feel remorse for Lingzi Lu. I feel remorse for MIT police officer Sean Collier. I feel remorse for their families and for every single person who has been hurt physically or mentally in the Boston Marathon bombings.
The Dzhokhar I knew was a young man who spent all night looking in his car for a new phone I clumsily lost. He left work early just to help me retrace my steps.
He was a young man who proudly shook my hand after I told him I was hired at the Boston Globe.
He was a captain on the Cambridge Ringe and Latin wrestling team, he was in the National Honor Society, he earned a scholarship to a four-year university. It seemed no one ever had a problem with Dzhokhar.
I didn’t know his older brother, Tamerlan, who was shot and killed by police

Friday, and I don’t know what kind of influence he might have had on him.
I don’t know what could have happened to Dzhokhar in the last year.
What I do know is I grieve for Cambridge, Watertown, Boston, and all of the families who call those places home, like I do.
I will always remember Dzhokhar, a friend who embraced me for a high school graduation photograph.
But it seems the young man I knew is gone.
People aren't always what they seem. A lot of people knew Ted Bundy as a charismatic law student and staff member of the Washington State Republican Party, but underneath that fake smile was a serial killer. He was the very definition of evil.

 
I don't know the ins and outs of the Miranda warnings, but it seems that the formality of reading the rights while the suspect is not coherent may not constitute adequate warning.

I suspect the non-mirandized questioning is to determine any accomplices/foreign involvement. Once he lawyers up, that information becomes a bargaining chip.

 
So can Dzhokar get some sort of deal to tell the federal government a thing or two? Maybe get life in prison, or is the death penalty the only thing facing him?

 
Where are you guys getting the enemy combatant thing from? I can't find that reported anyplace.
I guess it hasn't been "reported" per se, I just saw it thrown around in a CNN article here:

For now, the government is invoking the public safety exception, a designation that allows investigators to question Tsarnaev without reading him his Miranda rights, a Justice Department official told CNN on condition of anonymity.

In ordinary cases, a suspect is told by police he has the right to remain silent and he has the right to a lawyer.

But this is not an ordinary case, say U.S. Sens. John McCain and Lindsey Graham.

They urged that Tsarnaev be held as an enemy combatant, a designation that allows a suspect to be questioned without a lawyer and without being Mirandized.

"Now that the suspect is in custody, the last thing we should want is for him to remain silent. It is absolutely vital the suspect be questioned for intelligence gathering purposes," the senators said. "Under the law of war we can hold this suspect as a potential enemy combatant not entitled to Miranda warnings or the appointment of counsel."

Alan Dershowitz, a prominent defense attorney and Harvard law professor, scoffed at the senators' statement.

"Impossible. There's no way an American citizen committing a domestic crime in the city of Boston could be tried as an enemy combatant," he told CNN's Piers Morgan. "It could never happen. And that shows absolute ignorance of the law."

Dershowitz also said statements made by police in Boston seems to contradict the government's reasons for invoking the public safety exception.

"The police have said there's no public safety issue, it's solved, it's over," said Dershowitz. "There are no further threats. But the FBI is saying there's enough further threats to justify an exception."

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said the federal government may have known about international threats that state officials were not aware of.

"You would have to know the internals of what they have before you can assess whether there is a sensible invocation or not," Giuliani said.
 
So can Dzhokar get some sort of deal to tell the federal government a thing or two? Maybe get life in prison, or is the death penalty the only thing facing him?
1) I'm not sure what he could possibly have to tell that would have any bargaining value, unless there are more accomplices that the government can't identify on its own.

2) I'm not even sure the death penalty is on the table. We don't have it in MA. Will this be a state court thing or will he be brought up on federal charges? I don't know enough to be able to answer that.

 
Where are you guys getting the enemy combatant thing from? I can't find that reported anyplace.
Yeah, he's not being held as an enemy combatant, as far as I've heard. People are conflating that with the Miranda rights delay, I think. I'm a proud board liberal, but questioning a person who could very well have knowledge of bombs before he can lawyer up seems like common sense to me. And I assume authorities will have to demonstrate the public safety imperative in court at some point.
 
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Where are you guys getting the enemy combatant thing from? I can't find that reported anyplace.
I guess it hasn't been "reported" per se, I just saw it thrown around in a CNN article here:

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For now, the government is invoking the public safety exception, a designation that allows investigators to question Tsarnaev without reading him his Miranda rights, a Justice Department official told CNN on condition of anonymity.

In ordinary cases, a suspect is told by police he has the right to remain silent and he has the right to a lawyer.

But this is not an ordinary case, say U.S. Sens. John McCain and Lindsey Graham.

They urged that Tsarnaev be held as an enemy combatant, a designation that allows a suspect to be questioned without a lawyer and without being Mirandized.

"Now that the suspect is in custody, the last thing we should want is for him to remain silent. It is absolutely vital the suspect be questioned for intelligence gathering purposes," the senators said. "Under the law of war we can hold this suspect as a potential enemy combatant not entitled to Miranda warnings or the appointment of counsel."

Alan Dershowitz, a prominent defense attorney and Harvard law professor, scoffed at the senators' statement.

"Impossible. There's no way an American citizen committing a domestic crime in the city of Boston could be tried as an enemy combatant," he told CNN's Piers Morgan. "It could never happen. And that shows absolute ignorance of the law."

Dershowitz also said statements made by police in Boston seems to contradict the government's reasons for invoking the public safety exception.

"The police have said there's no public safety issue, it's solved, it's over," said Dershowitz. "There are no further threats. But the FBI is saying there's enough further threats to justify an exception."

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said the federal government may have known about international threats that state officials were not aware of.

"You would have to know the internals of what they have before you can assess whether there is a sensible invocation or not," Giuliani said.
Yeah, holding this guy as an enemy combatant would be idiotic. That's a separate issue from whether he gets a Miranda warning though.

 
So can Dzhokar get some sort of deal to tell the federal government a thing or two? Maybe get life in prison, or is the death penalty the only thing facing him?
1) I'm not sure what he could possibly have to tell that would have any bargaining value, unless there are more accomplices that the government can't identify on its own.

2) I'm not even sure the death penalty is on the table. We don't have it in MA. Will this be a state court thing or will he be brought up on federal charges? I don't know enough to be able to answer that.
I thought I heard that once "weapons of mass destruction" was labeled it became a federal crime? Fox news was saying that if it was a Federal Crime it was automatically a "death penalty" case. I dunno?

 
So can Dzhokar get some sort of deal to tell the federal government a thing or two? Maybe get life in prison, or is the death penalty the only thing facing him?
1) I'm not sure what he could possibly have to tell that would have any bargaining value, unless there are more accomplices that the government can't identify on its own.

2) I'm not even sure the death penalty is on the table. We don't have it in MA. Will this be a state court thing or will he be brought up on federal charges? I don't know enough to be able to answer that.
He's being brought up on federal charges.

 
So can Dzhokar get some sort of deal to tell the federal government a thing or two? Maybe get life in prison, or is the death penalty the only thing facing him?
1) I'm not sure what he could possibly have to tell that would have any bargaining value, unless there are more accomplices that the government can't identify on its own.

2) I'm not even sure the death penalty is on the table. We don't have it in MA. Will this be a state court thing or will he be brought up on federal charges? I don't know enough to be able to answer that.
Pretty sure it's federal.

 
Death is too good for this guy, he needs to be in the hole 23/7 until he's 80
Agreed.

Also, I hope he really cared for his brother, so that that loss hurts as much as possible (hope the knowledge that bailed on and maybe even killed him in the process hurts too).

Not that there's any price this ####### can pay that would undo the damage he's done to other lives and families.

 
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I am sure the trial will be a ####-show, with a lot of apologists for this 19 year old who was 'influenced by his brother'. If anyone finds themselves thinking that for one second go find the photo where this guy places the bag right behind 8 year old Martin. Look at that photo, look left and right. Not a lot of kids in that photo. I have no remorse in my heart .
Already happened here in the ffa 5 minutes after they captured the animal
 
Death is too good for this guy, he needs to be in the hole 23/7 until he's 80
Agreed.

Also, I hope he really cared for his brother, so that that loss hurts as much as possible (hope the knowledge that bailed on and maybe even killed him in the process hurts too).

Not that there's any price this ####### can pay that would undo the damage he's done to other lives and families.
I hope they let a bird peck at his liver, and then the liver keeps growing back over and over again, and then he dies. But then they bring him back to life only to do it all over again, and then they shove bamboo into his eyes and pour lemon juice down them afterwards. And then they pull out his intestines and start strangling him with it and make his parents watch. :flexesinternetmuscles:

 
It's federal and the death penalty will be on the table. I think theres a good chance he'll confess.
I think he'll crack under pressure as well, however, I think he won't get the death penalty if he spills the beans about who else may be involved (and it turns out to be true).
He's not spilling the beans. Uncle Ruslan will never let that happen.

Can't believe nobody else has figured out that it's the Uncle calling the shots here.

 
It's federal and the death penalty will be on the table. I think theres a good chance he'll confess.
I think he'll crack under pressure as well, however, I think he won't get the death penalty if he spills the beans about who else may be involved (and it turns out to be true).
He's not spilling the beans. Uncle Ruslan will never let that happen.

Can't believe nobody else has figured out that it's the Uncle calling the shots here.
Interesting. Now that would be something since he is giving interviews to anyone with a camera right now. Hopefully the FBI will look into it and not necessarily believe what he is saying at face value.

 
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It's federal and the death penalty will be on the table. I think theres a good chance he'll confess.
I think he'll crack under pressure as well, however, I think he won't get the death penalty if he spills the beans about who else may be involved (and it turns out to be true).
He's not spilling the beans. Uncle Ruslan will never let that happen. Can't believe nobody else has figured out that it's the Uncle calling the shots here.
Interesting. Now that would be something since he is giving interviews to anyone with a camera right now. Hopefully the FBI will look into it and not necessarily believe what he is saying at face value.
I'm sure pops is being look
 
did they ever id and question the odd looking dude with the beard who hada backpack?

not that he was involved...just questioning him as to why he is so creepy looking?

 
The father says his kids were framed.
He kind of changed his tune afterwards. I give the father a pass on this as hes basically a world away in russia and im sure doesnt have all the details we had. Without those details its probably hard for any father to believe their children can be such monsters.
 
The father says his kids were framed.
He kind of changed his tune afterwards. I give the father a pass on this as hes basically a world away in russia and im sure doesnt have all the details we had. Without those details its probably hard for any father to believe their children can be such monsters.
I wonder if his interview with the Russian authorities played a part into his adjustment
 
The father says his kids were framed.
He kind of changed his tune afterwards. I give the father a pass on this as hes basically a world away in russia and im sure doesnt have all the details we had. Without those details its probably hard for any father to believe their children can be such monsters.
I would think even if he had all the details, the shock would still cause him to believe anything before thinking that his kids could do such a horrific thing for awhile. I'm sure I'd react the same way that no way, not my kid.

 
Great job on finding those bastards, Bostonites!

My daughter and wife flew to Boston on Thursday and have been stuck in the hotel the entire time. Today is the first day they can get out and do something.

 
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Death is too good for this guy, he needs to be in the hole 23/7 until he's 80
I'm not a huge fan of the death penalty. I think this is a better option. This guy was suicidal as was his brother. So he probably is going to wish for death to be done with his life. At least in the hole you really do suffer in every way. Each minute will feel like an hour. I'd rather see suffering for this guy than being let off the hook so to speak by death.
 
The father says his kids were framed.
He kind of changed his tune afterwards. I give the father a pass on this as hes basically a world away in russia and im sure doesnt have all the details we had. Without those details its probably hard for any father to believe their children can be such monsters.
I would think even if he had all the details, the shock would still cause him to believe anything before thinking that his kids could do such a horrific thing for awhile. I'm sure I'd react the same way that no way, not my kid.
As far as the "my kids were framed" comment, I'm sure a lifetime of living in Russia has given him a healthy distrust of the police and government

 
Insein, on 20 Apr 2013 - 09:27, said:

otello, on 20 Apr 2013 - 09:21, said:Per Huff Post:WASHINGTON -- A Justice Department official says the Boston Marathon bombing suspect will not be read his Miranda rights because the government is invoking a public safety exception.That official and a second person briefed on the investigation says 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev will be questioned by a special interrogation team for high-value suspects. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to disclose the information publicly.The public safety exception permits law enforcement officials to engage in a limited and focused unwarned interrogation of a suspect and allows the government to introduce the statement as evidence in court. The public safety exception is triggered when police officers have an objectively reasonable need to protect the police or the public from immediate danger.
Thanks for that clarification.
So, what if he just doesn't answer and keeps his mouth shut? Is he eventually allowed an attorney?
 
So the 3 other suspects living with them, I assume they were arrested for not saying anything to authorities when these two were getting a number of pressure cookers delivered to their place or why they were (possibly) making bombs there?

 
I know this is an extreme case, and tough cases can make the law challenging, but it's mind-boggling that anyone would want to declare this person an enemy combatant.

Essentially, you're saying if a member of the FBI wants to, you can be held for an indefinite amount of time without a trial or due process or the opportunity to contact anyone. Period.

It would literally allow any member of the FBI to legally kidnap any American citizen. A federal agent could detain his ex-girlfriend's new boyfriend because he thinks he's a ####.

You might think "well this case is different, this guy is a terrorist." Well, what makes him a terrorist? The FBI thinks he's a terrorist. Are they right? In this case, yes. But the FBI doesn't need anyone to rubber stamp the decision to label him a terrorist to label him an enemy combatant and ignore due process.

Now if you have a ton of faith in the FBI's discretion, this isn't an issue. If you think the federal government needs to have its power checked -- which, I thought, was the core principle of every conservative movement -- then the idea that a US citizen could ever be labeled as an enemy combatant and held without any due process should be considered repugnant.

 
Insein, on 20 Apr 2013 - 09:27, said:

otello, on 20 Apr 2013 - 09:21, said:Per Huff Post:WASHINGTON -- A Justice Department official says the Boston Marathon bombing suspect will not be read his Miranda rights because the government is invoking a public safety exception.That official and a second person briefed on the investigation says 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev will be questioned by a special interrogation team for high-value suspects. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to disclose the information publicly.The public safety exception permits law enforcement officials to engage in a limited and focused unwarned interrogation of a suspect and allows the government to introduce the statement as evidence in court. The public safety exception is triggered when police officers have an objectively reasonable need to protect the police or the public from immediate danger.
Thanks for that clarification.
So, what if he just doesn't answer and keeps his mouth shut? Is he eventually allowed an attorney?
Yep. Unlikely, but if he doesn't say a word, after awhile, the government would be forced to provide him with his Miranda protections, including the right to a lawyer.

 
The father says his kids were framed.
He kind of changed his tune afterwards. I give the father a pass on this as hes basically a world away in russia and im sure doesnt have all the details we had. Without those details its probably hard for any father to believe their children can be such monsters.
I would think even if he had all the details, the shock would still cause him to believe anything before thinking that his kids could do such a horrific thing for awhile. I'm sure I'd react the same way that no way, not my kid.
As far as the "my kids were framed" comment, I'm sure a lifetime of living in Russia has given him a healthy distrust of the police and government
 
Boston police handled this so much better than the lapd's fiasco. No random people got shot up or anything.
This is true but now they are deciding if shutting down the whole city for the day for one dude was the best way to handle this. Seems Boston is out 300 mil for yesterday's shutdown. :dunno:

 
Boston police handled this so much better than the lapd's fiasco. No random people got shot up or anything.
This is true but now they are deciding if shutting down the whole city for the day for one dude was the best way to handle this. Seems Boston is out 300 mil for yesterday's shutdown. :dunno:
:eyeroll:Was wondering how long it would take for this angle to be trolled out there. Not the least bit surprised you're the one to bring it up. You're suggesting that the lives of the people in and around Boston are worth less than $300,000,000. To me they are worth much much much more than that. Who knows how many more he could have killed if they hadn't been sheltered in their homes. I'm fine with the financial cost of saving people's lives
 

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