Explosions at Boston Marathon (2 Viewers)

[Ignoramus]

Boston police handled this so much better than the lapd's fiasco. No random people got shot up or anything.

This is true but now they are deciding if shutting down the whole city for the day for one dude was the best way to handle this. Seems Boston is out 300 mil for yesterday's shutdown. :dunno:

Could you imagine the consequences if a known Chechen terrorist with a pressure cooker bomb hopped on a bus loaded with morning commuters?

 

[pollardsvision]

I know this is an extreme case, and tough cases can make the law challenging, but it's mind-boggling that anyone would want to declare this person an enemy combatant.

Essentially, you're saying if a member of the FBI wants to, you can be held for an indefinite amount of time without a trial or due process or the opportunity to contact anyone. Period.

It would literally allow any member of the FBI to legally kidnap any American citizen. A federal agent could detain his ex-girlfriend's new boyfriend because he thinks he's a ####.

You might think "well this case is different, this guy is a terrorist." Well, what makes him a terrorist? The FBI thinks he's a terrorist. Are they right? In this case, yes. But the FBI doesn't need anyone to rubber stamp the decision to label him a terrorist to label him an enemy combatant and ignore due process.

Now if you have a ton of faith in the FBI's discretion, this isn't an issue. If you think the federal government needs to have its power checked -- which, I thought, was the core principle of every conservative movement -- then the idea that a US citizen could ever be labeled as an enemy combatant and held without any due process should be considered repugnant.

I could be wrong, but it doesn't sound like anyone important is seriously considering making this guy an enemy combatant. Worthless FOX ramblings, as far as I know.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

So who takes custody of him? Will he go through the court system? Will there be a trial? Or does he go to Guantanamo?

 

[timschochet]

I know this is an extreme case, and tough cases can make the law challenging, but it's mind-boggling that anyone would want to declare this person an enemy combatant. Essentially, you're saying if a member of the FBI wants to, you can be held for an indefinite amount of time without a trial or due process or the opportunity to contact anyone. Period. It would literally allow any member of the FBI to legally kidnap any American citizen. A federal agent could detain his ex-girlfriend's new boyfriend because he thinks he's a ####. You might think "well this case is different, this guy is a terrorist." Well, what makes him a terrorist? The FBI thinks he's a terrorist. Are they right? In this case, yes. But the FBI doesn't need anyone to rubber stamp the decision to label him a terrorist to label him an enemy combatant and ignore due process. Now if you have a ton of faith in the FBI's discretion, this isn't an issue. If you think the federal government needs to have its power checked -- which, I thought, was the core principle of every conservative movement -- then the idea that a US citizen could ever be labeled as an enemy combatant and held without any due process should be considered repugnant.

I agree with these points- in principle. But if terrorism continues to occur on our soil, these protections are going to be tossed and the public won't care. England has been dealing with domestic terrorism for years, and they've got the Official Secrets Act which allows their government to bypass civil liberties, and the public approves. Personally I don't approve, but what if it's the only way to effectively fight terror? Besides, it's not without precedence even here. Didn't our greatest President, at the height of the Civil War, simply ignore Habeas Corpus?

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Should be over pretty soon.

I blame shuke for starting this.

 

[The General]

Boston police handled this so much better than the lapd's fiasco. No random people got shot up or anything.

This is true but now they are deciding if shutting down the whole city for the day for one dude was the best way to handle this. Seems Boston is out 300 mil for yesterday's shutdown. :dunno:

Who is discussing if that was a bad decision? They seriously need to ####. I amazed that the situation came to a conclusion that fast and that cleanly. Unbelievable job by everyone involved.

 

[timschochet]

So who takes custody of him? Will he go through the court system? Will there be a trial? Or does he go to Guantanamo?

Excellent questions.

 

[HellToupee]

the rooster is back in the hen house

 

[Apple Jack]

C'mon, living people are a dime a dozen. $300M spread across seven million people is a lot of cheese.

 

[Plorfu]

C'mon, living people are a dime a dozen. $300M spread across seven million people is a kit of cheese.

I just hope my Arizona tax dollars don't get tossed at some problem way over in Boston. :lhucks:

 

[dickey moe]

So who takes custody of him? Will he go through the court system? Will there be a trial? Or does he go to Guantanamo?

It was funny 18 days ago before any of this happened.

 

[Guest]

Double edged message to would be copycats. On the one hand, the solidarity an exemplary behavior of the citizens took much of the bite away and diluted anything they wished to inflict. But for someone who just wants attention, they can become a household name and cause hundreds of millions in economic damage with some homemade explosives. I expect we'll see an uptick in this kind of thing, even if its lone wolf crackpots who choose this path as an alternative to suicide.

 

[CurlyNight]

Boston police handled this so much better than the lapd's fiasco. No random people got shot up or anything.

This is true but now they are deciding if shutting down the whole city for the day for one dude was the best way to handle this. Seems Boston is out 300 mil for yesterday's shutdown. :dunno:

:eyeroll:Was wondering how long it would take for this angle to be trolled out there. Not the least bit surprised you're the one to bring it up.You're suggesting that the lives of the people in and around Boston are worth less than $300,000,000. To me they are worth much much much more than that. Who knows how many more he could have killed if they hadn't been sheltered in their homes. I'm fine with the financial cost of saving people's lives

I didn't say whether I agree with this or not... just reporting what I heard that they are going to look into it.

 

[culdeus]

Anyone want to pitch in for a new boat for the guy?

 

[The Comedian]

I know this is an extreme case, and tough cases can make the law challenging, but it's mind-boggling that anyone would want to declare this person an enemy combatant.

Essentially, you're saying if a member of the FBI wants to, you can be held for an indefinite amount of time without a trial or due process or the opportunity to contact anyone. Period.

It would literally allow any member of the FBI to legally kidnap any American citizen. A federal agent could detain his ex-girlfriend's new boyfriend because he thinks he's a ####.

You might think "well this case is different, this guy is a terrorist." Well, what makes him a terrorist? The FBI thinks he's a terrorist. Are they right? In this case, yes. But the FBI doesn't need anyone to rubber stamp the decision to label him a terrorist to label him an enemy combatant and ignore due process.

Now if you have a ton of faith in the FBI's discretion, this isn't an issue. If you think the federal government needs to have its power checked -- which, I thought, was the core principle of every conservative movement -- then the idea that a US citizen could ever be labeled as an enemy combatant and held without any due process should be considered repugnant.

I could be wrong, but it doesn't sound like anyone important is seriously considering making this guy an enemy combatant. Worthless FOX ramblings, as far as I know.

Link

“Now that the suspect is in custody, the last thing we should want is for him to remain silent,” the senators said. “It is absolutely vital the suspect be questioned for intelligence gathering purposes. … We remain under threat from radical Islam and we hope the Obama administration will seriously consider the enemy combatant option.”

Senators Lindsey Graham and John McCain.

 

[Kal El]

Boston police handled this so much better than the lapd's fiasco. No random people got shot up or anything.

This is true but now they are deciding if shutting down the whole city for the day for one dude was the best way to handle this. Seems Boston is out 300 mil for yesterday's shutdown. :dunno:

They'd have to shut down in the case of a storm, losing that money in that case as well. They'll survive.

 

[CurlyNight]

Boston police handled this so much better than the lapd's fiasco. No random people got shot up or anything.

This is true but now they are deciding if shutting down the whole city for the day for one dude was the best way to handle this. Seems Boston is out 300 mil for yesterday's shutdown. :dunno:

Who is discussing if that was a bad decision? They seriously need to ####. I amazed that the situation came to a conclusion that fast and that cleanly. Unbelievable job by everyone involved.

I heard it on fox news this morning, that authorities (don't know who) are planning to investigate if this was the best way to handle this. I'm reporting what I heard, not giving opinions as I'm learning quickly not to here.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Double edged message to would be copycats. On the one hand, the solidarity an exemplary behavior of the citizens took much of the bite away and diluted anything they wished to inflict. But for someone who just wants attention, they can become a household name and cause hundreds of millions in economic damage with some homemade explosives. I expect we'll see an uptick in this kind of thing, even if its lone wolf crackpots who choose this path as an alternative to suicide.

But what about the Waco connection, you whacko?

 

[The General]

Boston police handled this so much better than the lapd's fiasco. No random people got shot up or anything.

This is true but now they are deciding if shutting down the whole city for the day for one dude was the best way to handle this. Seems Boston is out 300 mil for yesterday's shutdown. :dunno:

Who is discussing if that was a bad decision? They seriously need to ####. I amazed that the situation came to a conclusion that fast and that cleanly. Unbelievable job by everyone involved.

I heard it on fox news this morning, that authorities (don't know who) are planning to investigate if this was the best way to handle this. I'm reporting what I heard, not giving opinions as I'm learning quickly not to here.

I got that you were just telling us that's what you heard. I know that's there's always the guy who takes the opposite crazy opinion in today's news programming but that's a crazy angle to take.

 

[cobalt_27]

So pretty strange day waking up in Boston. Emotionally emptied... I want to go outside and get some fresh air after yesterday but it is raining. Was actually planning on my first run post-marathon... Anyway, it will be good to close the chapter on all of this. I am sure the trial will be a ####-show, with a lot of apologists for this 19 year old who was 'influenced by his brother'. If anyone finds themselves thinking that for one second go find the photo where this guy places the bag right behind 8 year old Martin. Look at that photo, look left and right. Not a lot of kids in that photo. I have no remorse in my heart for him. Lastly, police / FBI did a great job here. I am tempted to say most, but at least many worked 12-18 hr shifts yesterday hunting these guys down. One officer lost his life, another is in critical condition. I have a lot of respect for them and what they did.

Agreed. Felt much better walking around south end this morning. Dogs were smiling, spring in the air and a little bit more in everyone's steps. What an ordeal this city has been through. So impressed by police, FBI, and law enforcement here in their handling of all this. True professionals and heroes.

 

[Underachievers]

Boston police handled this so much better than the lapd's fiasco. No random people got shot up or anything.

This is true but now they are deciding if shutting down the whole city for the day for one dude was the best way to handle this. Seems Boston is out 300 mil for yesterday's shutdown. :dunno:

Yeah, thinking they went a little overboard in shutting down the entire city.

 

[boilerdave]

Watertown Police Chief being interviewed by Wolf on CNN now. That Thursday night confrontation was crazy wild.

 

[pollardsvision]

I know this is an extreme case, and tough cases can make the law challenging, but it's mind-boggling that anyone would want to declare this person an enemy combatant.

Essentially, you're saying if a member of the FBI wants to, you can be held for an indefinite amount of time without a trial or due process or the opportunity to contact anyone. Period.

It would literally allow any member of the FBI to legally kidnap any American citizen. A federal agent could detain his ex-girlfriend's new boyfriend because he thinks he's a ####.

You might think "well this case is different, this guy is a terrorist." Well, what makes him a terrorist? The FBI thinks he's a terrorist. Are they right? In this case, yes. But the FBI doesn't need anyone to rubber stamp the decision to label him a terrorist to label him an enemy combatant and ignore due process.

Now if you have a ton of faith in the FBI's discretion, this isn't an issue. If you think the federal government needs to have its power checked -- which, I thought, was the core principle of every conservative movement -- then the idea that a US citizen could ever be labeled as an enemy combatant and held without any due process should be considered repugnant.

I could be wrong, but it doesn't sound like anyone important is seriously considering making this guy an enemy combatant. Worthless FOX ramblings, as far as I know.

Link

>“Now that the suspect is in custody, the last thing we should want is for him to remain silent,” the senators said. “It is absolutely vital the suspect be questioned for intelligence gathering purposes. … We remain under threat from radical Islam and we hope the Obama administration will seriously consider the enemy combatant option.”

Senators Lindsey Graham and John McCain.

Oh good. So nobody anyone would take seriously.

 

[Apple Jack]

Crazy sells.

 

[Guest]

Double edged message to would be copycats. On the one hand, the solidarity an exemplary behavior of the citizens took much of the bite away and diluted anything they wished to inflict. But for someone who just wants attention, they can become a household name and cause hundreds of millions in economic damage with some homemade explosives. I expect we'll see an uptick in this kind of thing, even if its lone wolf crackpots who choose this path as an alternative to suicide.

But what about the Waco connection, you whacko?

Sitting on the couch. News breaks of massive explosion near Waco. Triggers memory from 20 years ago that Branch Davidian Compound burned on Patriots Day. Posted. It's actually pretty reasonable. Identity of Islamic terrorists was not public. There's usually some gripe or motive and it seemed as good a theory as any. More information broke and it became less so. A Google search after I posted revealed that quite a few mainstream sources speculated along the same lines.But good to see you're just as hateful as always.

 

[jon_mx]

So who takes custody of him? Will he go through the court system? Will there be a trial? Or does he go to Guantanamo?

Excellent questions.

The Feds have custody of him for a non-Miranda interrogation. The charges will likely be federal. There will be a trial unless he pleads. There will be no Gitmo.

 

[Mr. Cross]

Boston police handled this so much better than the lapd's fiasco. No random people got shot up or anything.

This is true but now they are deciding if shutting down the whole city for the day for one dude was the best way to handle this. Seems Boston is out 300 mil for yesterday's shutdown. :dunno:

You care that innocent people had money taken from them? I guess people can change.

 

[The Comedian]

this may have been covered before, i checked out for a huge chunk of this thread, but has there been any explanation about how the police/MSM released two names that turned out to be completely false? i thought it was pretty widely reported at one point that the bombers were sunil tropathi (sp - that missing brown student) and some random dude named mike mulaga or something. what was that all about?

 

[Guest]

So pretty strange day waking up in Boston. Emotionally emptied... I want to go outside and get some fresh air after yesterday but it is raining. Was actually planning on my first run post-marathon... Anyway, it will be good to close the chapter on all of this. I am sure the trial will be a ####-show, with a lot of apologists for this 19 year old who was 'influenced by his brother'. If anyone finds themselves thinking that for one second go find the photo where this guy places the bag right behind 8 year old Martin. Look at that photo, look left and right. Not a lot of kids in that photo. I have no remorse in my heart for him. Lastly, police / FBI did a great job here. I am tempted to say most, but at least many worked 12-18 hr shifts yesterday hunting these guys down. One officer lost his life, another is in critical condition. I have a lot of respect for them and what they did.

Agreed. Felt much better walking around south end this morning. Dogs were smiling, spring in the air and a little bit more in everyone's steps. What an ordeal this city has been through. So impressed by police, FBI, and law enforcement here in their handling of all this. True professionals and heroes.

Guys deserve serious credit. They have one of those jobs where you get all the blame when something goes wrong and little credit otherwise. They deserve praise. Job very well done.

 

[jon_mx]

Boston police handled this so much better than the lapd's fiasco. No random people got shot up or anything.

This is true but now they are deciding if shutting down the whole city for the day for one dude was the best way to handle this. Seems Boston is out 300 mil for yesterday's shutdown. :dunno:

They'd have to shut down in the case of a storm, losing that money in that case as well. They'll survive.

That is also total economic activity and not profit. Some of that activity will be made up in the coming days as people get out more.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

So who takes custody of him? Will he go through the court system? Will there be a trial? Or does he go to Guantanamo?

Why wouldn't he be tried. We tried McVeigh.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

this may have been covered before, i checked out for a huge chunk of this thread, but has there been any explanation about how the police/MSM released two names that turned out to be completely false? i thought it was pretty widely reported at one point that the bombers were sunil tropathi (sp - that missing brown student) and some random dude named mike mulaga or something. what was that all about?

The police never mentioned the missing Brown student. That rumor was started on Twitter and Reddit and then picked up by a few mainstream news outlets.

 

[cobalt_27]

Boston police handled this so much better than the lapd's fiasco. No random people got shot up or anything.

This is true but now they are deciding if shutting down the whole city for the day for one dude was the best way to handle this. Seems Boston is out 300 mil for yesterday's shutdown. :dunno:

Yeah, thinking they went a little overboard in shutting down the entire city.

No. But, we appreciate what your opinions from Wisconsin are about how to track down a terrorist. I think we got this one covered just fine and will recoup the $300 million in celebratory alcohol sales in just this weekend alone.

 

[Mile High]

Boston police handled this so much better than the lapd's fiasco. No random people got shot up or anything.

This is true but now they are deciding if shutting down the whole city for the day for one dude was the best way to handle this. Seems Boston is out 300 mil for yesterday's shutdown. :dunno:

They'd have to shut down in the case of a storm, losing that money in that case as well. They'll survive.

That is also total economic activity and not profit. Some of that activity will be made up in the coming days as people get out more.

Good point. Guy who was going to buy a new car,tv,etc will still buy it just a few days later.

 

[Plorfu]

So who takes custody of him? Will he go through the court system? Will there be a trial? Or does he go to Guantanamo?

Why wouldn't he be tried. We tried McVeigh.

On account of Muslim.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

So who takes custody of him? Will he go through the court system? Will there be a trial? Or does he go to Guantanamo?

Why wouldn't he be tried. We tried McVeigh.

McVeigh wasn't Muslim.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Double edged message to would be copycats. On the one hand, the solidarity an exemplary behavior of the citizens took much of the bite away and diluted anything they wished to inflict. But for someone who just wants attention, they can become a household name and cause hundreds of millions in economic damage with some homemade explosives. I expect we'll see an uptick in this kind of thing, even if its lone wolf crackpots who choose this path as an alternative to suicide.

But what about the Waco connection, you whacko?

Sitting on the couch. News breaks of massive explosion near Waco. Triggers memory from 20 years ago that Branch Davidian Compound burned on Patriots Day. Posted. It's actually pretty reasonable. Identity of Islamic terrorists was not public. There's usually some gripe or motive and it seemed as good a theory as any. More information broke and it became less so.A Google search after I posted revealed that quite a few mainstream sources speculated along the same lines.

But good to see you're just as hateful as always.

Stay gold paranoid, ponyboy hammyboy. Stay gold paranoid.

 

[The Comedian]

this may have been covered before, i checked out for a huge chunk of this thread, but has there been any explanation about how the police/MSM released two names that turned out to be completely false? i thought it was pretty widely reported at one point that the bombers were sunil tropathi (sp - that missing brown student) and some random dude named mike mulaga or something. what was that all about?

The police never mentioned the missing Brown student. That rumor was started on Twitter and Reddit and then picked up by a few mainstream news outlets.

I'm reviewing some stuff now, that appears to be true re: Sunil, but they did name the other guy, Mike Mulugeta, on the scanner.

 

[Apple Jack]

this may have been covered before, i checked out for a huge chunk of this thread, but has there been any explanation about how the police/MSM released two names that turned out to be completely false? i thought it was pretty widely reported at one point that the bombers were sunil tropathi (sp - that missing brown student) and some random dude named mike mulaga or something. what was that all about?

As I understand it sunil's name was said over a police scanner and a bunch of ######## decided to start babbling that he was a suspect. Apparently, people are too stupid for cops to allow scanners to be publicly accessible.

 

[The Comedian]

this may have been covered before, i checked out for a huge chunk of this thread, but has there been any explanation about how the police/MSM released two names that turned out to be completely false? i thought it was pretty widely reported at one point that the bombers were sunil tropathi (sp - that missing brown student) and some random dude named mike mulaga or something. what was that all about?

As I understand it sunil's name was said over a police scanner and a bunch of ######## decided to start babbling that he was a suspect. Apparently, people are too stupid for cops to allow scanners to be publicly accessible.

I really have no idea why police scanners are so easily available to the public.

 

[eurotrashman]

Double edged message to would be copycats. On the one hand, the solidarity an exemplary behavior of the citizens took much of the bite away and diluted anything they wished to inflict. But for someone who just wants attention, they can become a household name and cause hundreds of millions in economic damage with some homemade explosives. I expect we'll see an uptick in this kind of thing, even if its lone wolf crackpots who choose this path as an alternative to suicide.

But what about the Waco connection, you whacko?

Sitting on the couch. News breaks of massive explosion near Waco. Triggers memory from 20 years ago that Branch Davidian Compound burned on Patriots Day. Posted. It's actually pretty reasonable. Identity of Islamic terrorists was not public. There's usually some gripe or motive and it seemed as good a theory as any. More information broke and it became less so.A Google search after I posted revealed that quite a few mainstream sources speculated along the same lines.But good to see you're just as hateful as always.

mainstream media speculating? shocking!

 

[Apple Jack]

Who wouldn't appreciate finding out that your son, who has been missing for six months, has turned up alive, but oh sorry hes responsible for a terrorist attack in Boston. Psyche!

 

[Ignoramus]

Double edged message to would be copycats. On the one hand, the solidarity an exemplary behavior of the citizens took much of the bite away and diluted anything they wished to inflict. But for someone who just wants attention, they can become a household name and cause hundreds of millions in economic damage with some homemade explosives. I expect we'll see an uptick in this kind of thing, even if its lone wolf crackpots who choose this path as an alternative to suicide.

Quick. Without cheating: what are these two kids' names?

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Double edged message to would be copycats. On the one hand, the solidarity an exemplary behavior of the citizens took much of the bite away and diluted anything they wished to inflict. But for someone who just wants attention, they can become a household name and cause hundreds of millions in economic damage with some homemade explosives. I expect we'll see an uptick in this kind of thing, even if its lone wolf crackpots who choose this path as an alternative to suicide.

Quick. Without cheating: what are these two kids' names?

Tammy Lynn and Jafar

 

[Limp Ditka]

Double edged message to would be copycats. On the one hand, the solidarity an exemplary behavior of the citizens took much of the bite away and diluted anything they wished to inflict. But for someone who just wants attention, they can become a household name and cause hundreds of millions in economic damage with some homemade explosives. I expect we'll see an uptick in this kind of thing, even if its lone wolf crackpots who choose this path as an alternative to suicide.

But what about the Waco connection, you whacko?

Sitting on the couch. News breaks of massive explosion near Waco. Triggers memory from 20 years ago that Branch Davidian Compound burned on Patriots Day. Posted. It's actually pretty reasonable. Identity of Islamic terrorists was not public. There's usually some gripe or motive and it seemed as good a theory as any. More information broke and it became less so.A Google search after I posted revealed that quite a few mainstream sources speculated along the same lines.But good to see you're just as hateful as always.

mainstream media speculating? shocking!

Ham speculating? shocking!

 

[tri-man 47]

Double edged message to would be copycats. On the one hand, the solidarity an exemplary behavior of the citizens took much of the bite away and diluted anything they wished to inflict. But for someone who just wants attention, they can become a household name and cause hundreds of millions in economic damage with some homemade explosives. I expect we'll see an uptick in this kind of thing, even if its lone wolf crackpots who choose this path as an alternative to suicide.

Quick. Without cheating: what are these two kids' names?

Good point, though I have added white cap's name to my Scrabble cheat sheet.

 

[Abraham]

Obama does not believe in this enemy combatant concept. It will not happen

All those guys in Gitmo are free?

Obama tried his best to get them into the American justice system, but when the reality of the situation set in he balked.

So in the end he was for the enemy combatant concept?

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Obama does not believe in this enemy combatant concept. It will not happen

All those guys in Gitmo are free?

Obama tried his best to get them into the American justice system, but when the reality of the situation set in he balked.

So in the end he was for the enemy combatant concept?

I would say "stopped fighting" and "for" are different things.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

this may have been covered before, i checked out for a huge chunk of this thread, but has there been any explanation about how the police/MSM released two names that turned out to be completely false? i thought it was pretty widely reported at one point that the bombers were sunil tropathi (sp - that missing brown student) and some random dude named mike mulaga or something. what was that all about?

The police never mentioned the missing Brown student. That rumor was started on Twitter and Reddit and then picked up by a few mainstream news outlets.

Not trueScanners said it was Sunil they were chasing Thursday night. They also gave a different name for suspect 1.

 

[The_Burning_Bush]

Any news about the condition of this guy?