Explosions at Boston Marathon (1 Viewer)

[cstu]

Has anyone mentioned the name Tamerlan and what a strange choice this was for a name by the father?

historically known as Tamerlane

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Timur envisioned the restoration of the Mongol Empire of Genghis Khan.[13] As a means of legitimating his conquests, Timur relied on Islamic symbols and language, referring to himself as the Sword of Islam and patronizing educational and religious institutions. He converted nearly all the Borjigin leaders to Islam during his lifetime.[14] His armies were inclusively multi-ethnic. During his lifetime Timur emerged as the most powerful ruler in the Muslim world after defeating the Mamluks of Egypt and Syria, the emerging Ottoman Empire and the declining Sultanate of Delhi. Timur had also decisively defeated the Christian Knights Hospitaller at Smyrna, styling himself a Ghazi.[15] By the end of his reign Timur had also gained complete control over all the remnants of the Chagatai Khanate, Ilkhanate, Golden Horde and even attempted to restore the Yuan dynasty.[citation needed]

Timur's armies were feared throughout Asia, Africa, and Europe,[16] sizable parts of which were laid to ruin by his campaigns.[17] Scholars estimate that his military campaigns caused the deaths of 17 million people, amounting to about 5% of the world population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamerlaine

The other brother is named after the 1st President of the Chechen Republic.

 

[Sinn Fein]

It's baffling that these two clowns didn't have an exit strategy. The kid had his car in the shop. It appears neither one had a job. They had to rob somebody to get a car and ATM money. They had no money and no plan. These guys appear to not be very smart yet somehow figured out how to build several bombs. Maybe that was the easy part. But how can two people this stupid do that much damage?

When you think about it, what was the exit strategy of the Columbine, Virginia Tech or Sandy Hook kids? The only difference here is that after the initial terror attack, these two brothers were able to commit another act a couple of days later.

Crazy is crazy, sane people will never be able to figure it out.

They tried to get away with it though. They went back to their lives and acted as if they did nothing. That was never the plan with the other examples you listed.

True, but my question was what was the exit strategy of the others? If you know you are going to die sooner or later, maybe the last hour rampage was planned all along. Who knows, these two may have been armed with guns and bombs the entire time after the bombings. Just waiting for the end to come.

I don't understand why people want to compare these two with guys like Adam Lanza or the Columbine kids, or teh VaTech shooter - there really is no comparison to their mindsets.

Just look at #2 trying to escape until the very end - those other incidents were really extended-suicides. I don't think these guys went into this planning on getting caught or killed.

The scary thing is though how easy this type of attack could be carried out with just a little more planning. I would guess we will see more of these attacks in the future - lots of small bombings, rather than a 9-11-style attack.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

People in the US name their kids after Robert E Lee and you think its weird some dude in Kyrgyzstan chose a name for his son that kind of shared with a dude from the 1300's?

Well, yes, this isn't just some dude, in that part of the world this is on the order of a German naming his kid after Adolf Hitler. He killed 5% of the world's population by some estimates. The RE Lee comparison doesn't really do it justice. If you want a comparison along those lines, how about a white parent in Selma naming his child "Nathan Bedford Forrest Johnson" and then that kid blows up a black church, then you might be on to something.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Not sure if this has been posted yet but I find this lady's outlook remarkable.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/23/us/boston-marathon-amputee/

Great to see she is so positive and best of luck to her in her recovery.

I saw that on CNN, that girl is awesome, that just shows how great humanity can be.

 

[pollardsvision]

Was jagoff #1 still with the wife or were they separated? If the former, any idea how in the hell she was okay with him taking his unemployed self overseas for 6 months while they've got a 3 year old at home?

Him having a wife and a 3-year old is very odd and seemingly gets very little coverage in all of this.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Knowing nothing of the Tsarnaevs' motives, and little about Chechens, the American media tore into Wikipedia and came back with stereotypes. The Tsarnaevs were stripped of their 21st century American life and became symbols of a distant land, forever frozen in time. Journalist Eliza Shapiro proclaimed that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was "named after a brutal warlord", despite the fact that Tamerlan, or Timur, is an ordinary first name in the Caucasus and Central Asia. Her claim is equivalent to saying a child named Nicholas must be named in honour of ruthless Russian tsar Nicholas I - an irony apparently lost on New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof, who made a similar denouncement on Twitter (to his credit, Kristof quickly retracted the comment).

http://m.aljazeera.com/story/2013421145859380504

Ok, Nicholas is a common name and you could be naming your child after the saint or a million different Nicholas's who have come and gone before.

As for the name "Tamerlain"???? It's like saying, "Oh hey I know my kid is a serial murderer and all but the fact I named him "Ted Bundy McGowan" is just puuureee coincidence."

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Was jagoff #1 still with the wife or were they separated? If the former, any idea how in the hell she was okay with him taking his unemployed self overseas for 6 months while they've got a 3 year old at home?

Him having a wife and a 3-year old is very odd and seemingly gets very little coverage in all of this.

That's how fundamentalist muslim marriages work. He calls the shots and she shuts up or gets it. That's pretty much it.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Timur envisioned the restoration of the Mongol Empire of Genghis Khan.[13] As a means of legitimating his conquests, Timur relied on Islamic symbols and language, referring to himself as the Sword of Islam and patronizing educational and religious institutions. He converted nearly all the Borjigin leaders to Islam during his lifetime.[14] His armies were inclusively multi-ethnic. During his lifetime Timur emerged as the most powerful ruler in the Muslim world after defeating the Mamluks of Egypt and Syria, the emerging Ottoman Empire and the declining Sultanate of Delhi. Timur had also decisively defeated the Christian Knights Hospitaller at Smyrna, styling himself a Ghazi.[15] By the end of his reign Timur had also gained complete control over all the remnants of the Chagatai Khanate, Ilkhanate, Golden Horde and even attempted to restore the Yuan dynasty.[citation needed]

Timur's armies were feared throughout Asia, Africa, and Europe,[16] sizable parts of which were laid to ruin by his campaigns.[17] Scholars estimate that his military campaigns caused the deaths of 17 million people, amounting to about 5% of the world population.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamerlaine

This isn't common knowledge?

I had thought so but then general historical knowldge ain't what it used to be.

 

[The Comedian]

A lot of the holes that existed initially have been filled in with reports coming out and by the Watertown chief giving that interview with Dennis & Callahan.

The main question I still have - why the hell did they kill that MIT cop?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Turns out Tamerlane was a big fan of Truthers and Infowars. Go figure. As Deadspin points out a site dedicated to insisting there are no terrorists, but only governments who kill their citizens to erode civil liberties somehow managed to help incite a terrorist attack.

Is Infowars a false-flag website designed to collect fans like Tamerlan Tsarnaev to discredit Infowars?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Knowing nothing of the Tsarnaevs' motives, and little about Chechens, the American media tore into Wikipedia and came back with stereotypes. The Tsarnaevs were stripped of their 21st century American life and became symbols of a distant land, forever frozen in time. Journalist Eliza Shapiro proclaimed that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was "named after a brutal warlord", despite the fact that Tamerlan, or Timur, is an ordinary first name in the Caucasus and Central Asia. Her claim is equivalent to saying a child named Nicholas must be named in honour of ruthless Russian tsar Nicholas I - an irony apparently lost on New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof, who made a similar denouncement on Twitter (to his credit, Kristof quickly retracted the comment).

http://m.aljazeera.com/story/2013421145859380504Ok, Nicholas is a common name and you could be naming your child after the saint or a million different Nicholas's who have come and gone before.

As for the name "Tamerlain"???? It's like saying, "Oh hey I know my kid is a serial murderer and all but the fact I named him "Ted Bundy McGowan" is just puuureee coincidence."

How common is the name Tamerlan in the region this family was from? The article I posted says its very common. Do you have evidence otherwise?

 

[The Comedian]

Turns out Tamerlane was a big fan of Truthers and Infowars. Go figure. As Deadspin points out a site dedicated to insisting there are no terrorists, but only governments who kill their citizens to erode civil liberties somehow managed to help incite a terrorist attack.

Is Infowars a false-flag website designed to collect fans like Tamerlan Tsarnaev to discredit Infowars?

I used to listen to Alex Jones' podcast for about a month off and on to see what the hooplah was about. I actually thought about 10% of what he said was useful because it was stuff not being highlighted much by the MSM - for example, the expanded use of drones domestically. He and I soon part ways of course because he thinks this is part of the plan of the NWO to takeover the world and kill off the billions of regular people so the super elite can live forever with a slave army of androids, but I appreciated the heads up about the drones.

Anyway, 100% guarantee that he is already claiming that this information about #1 being an Infowars guy is a way for the government to make Infowars and other people who dare to question the government as "dangerous." He's probably framing this as the NWO declaring war on him personally, and those that follow him. Gauranteed.

 

[The Ref]

<------------- Gave money to the Mark ***arile fund today.

Have you?

 

[The Comedian]

<------------- Gave money to the Mark ***arile fund today.

Have you?

I gave money to Jeff, the guy in the famous/horrific photo in the wheelchair, and I plan on donating to the Jimmy Fund in the name of Sean Collier per his family's request (apparently he had an auto deposit set up from every paycheck to the Jimmy Fund, which he set up after being touched by the stories he heard on the annual WEEI Jimmy Fund Drive).

I'll probably make a few more donations. Small, insignificant, but I want to do something.

 

[The Comedian]

I don't even want to think about the insurance mess that many of these amputees are going to have. Would this kind of thing be covered in a standard health insurance plan? I'm guessing it would depend, and there would be limits, same for rehabiliation costs, etc. etc. I live in Australia now so I don't remember a lot about the US health insurance situation (yay socialized healthcare).

Seems like it would be a pretty great PR move for a prosthetics or medical device company to come out and pick up the tab for all the Boston marathon amputees, but I have no idea what the cost would be for that.

 

[KCitons]

It's baffling that these two clowns didn't have an exit strategy. The kid had his car in the shop. It appears neither one had a job. They had to rob somebody to get a car and ATM money. They had no money and no plan. These guys appear to not be very smart yet somehow figured out how to build several bombs. Maybe that was the easy part. But how can two people this stupid do that much damage?

When you think about it, what was the exit strategy of the Columbine, Virginia Tech or Sandy Hook kids? The only difference here is that after the initial terror attack, these two brothers were able to commit another act a couple of days later.

Crazy is crazy, sane people will never be able to figure it out.

They tried to get away with it though. They went back to their lives and acted as if they did nothing. That was never the plan with the other examples you listed.

True, but my question was what was the exit strategy of the others? If you know you are going to die sooner or later, maybe the last hour rampage was planned all along. Who knows, these two may have been armed with guns and bombs the entire time after the bombings. Just waiting for the end to come.

I don't think va tech or newtown had the wherewithal to even have an exit strategy or than to shoot as many people as possible. Columbine was a bit different but I don't think they had an exit strategy other than mass mayhem. These boston guys actually thought they wouldn't get caught. Their exit strategy was to just go back home and act like nothing happened. They strike me as more dumb than crazy. They watched too many online terror vids and Jason Bourne-type movies. I'd bet anything that moron in Boston is wishing he could go back in time 9 days. 9 days ago he was a weed smoking, babe banging college kid. What was the problem?

I just have a hard time comprehending it, if they thought they weren't going to get caught. On the day of the bombings, I remember thinking who could have done this? Was it home grown or was it an international terrorist group. But, never did I think that we wouldn't find them. It would take time, but we would find them.

I also remember thinking about all the pictures and video (some I wish I could forget) that came out within hours of the bomb blasts. I kept thinking, there is no way this person won't be caught on video or film.

I already said, you can't explain crazy. By it's very definition it describes the unexpected actions of person.

This is why I try to keep religious and political motivation out of crimes like this. It boils down to mental instability. An 8 year old kid? Who can do that and be of sound mind?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Knowing nothing of the Tsarnaevs' motives, and little about Chechens, the American media tore into Wikipedia and came back with stereotypes. The Tsarnaevs were stripped of their 21st century American life and became symbols of a distant land, forever frozen in time. Journalist Eliza Shapiro proclaimed that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was "named after a brutal warlord", despite the fact that Tamerlan, or Timur, is an ordinary first name in the Caucasus and Central Asia. Her claim is equivalent to saying a child named Nicholas must be named in honour of ruthless Russian tsar Nicholas I - an irony apparently lost on New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof, who made a similar denouncement on Twitter (to his credit, Kristof quickly retracted the comment).

http://m.aljazeera.com/story/2013421145859380504Ok, Nicholas is a common name and you could be naming your child after the saint or a million different Nicholas's who have come and gone before.

As for the name "Tamerlain"???? It's like saying, "Oh hey I know my kid is a serial murderer and all but the fact I named him "Ted Bundy McGowan" is just puuureee coincidence."

How common is the name Tamerlan in the region this family was from? The article I posted says its very common. Do you have evidence otherwise?

That's pretty absurd, do we have evidence to support her comment that it is "ordinary"? She's writing for Al Jazeera.

I do agree with her overall tone that people should not be prejudiced against the Chechnyans as an ethnicity (and I will go further and say that the Russians should not be in Dagestan or Chechnya at all), but if it were true that people are naming their children "Tamerlain" or "Timur" on an ordinary basiss well then maybe that is a reflection of the incredible violence there.

Also on a historical level the Chechnyans were at war with tsarist Russia dating back to the 1830's-1840's, they have a long, long warlike history (and on the battlefield and a damned good one too).

 

[Fennis]

Knowing nothing of the Tsarnaevs' motives, and little about Chechens, the American media tore into Wikipedia and came back with stereotypes. The Tsarnaevs were stripped of their 21st century American life and became symbols of a distant land, forever frozen in time. Journalist Eliza Shapiro proclaimed that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was "named after a brutal warlord", despite the fact that Tamerlan, or Timur, is an ordinary first name in the Caucasus and Central Asia. Her claim is equivalent to saying a child named Nicholas must be named in honour of ruthless Russian tsar Nicholas I - an irony apparently lost on New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof, who made a similar denouncement on Twitter (to his credit, Kristof quickly retracted the comment).

http://m.aljazeera.com/story/2013421145859380504Ok, Nicholas is a common name and you could be naming your child after the saint or a million different Nicholas's who have come and gone before.

As for the name "Tamerlain"???? It's like saying, "Oh hey I know my kid is a serial murderer and all but the fact I named him "Ted Bundy McGowan" is just puuureee coincidence."

How common is the name Tamerlan in the region this family was from? The article I posted says its very common. Do you have evidence otherwise?

That's pretty absurd, do we have evidence to support her comment that it is "ordinary"? She's writing for Al Jazeera.

I do agree with her overall tone that people should not be prejudiced against the Chechnyans as an ethnicity (and I will go further and say that the Russians should not be in Dagestan or Chechnya at all), but if it were true that people are naming their children "Tamerlain" or "Timur" on an ordinary basiss well then maybe that is a reflection of the incredible violence there.

Also on a historical level the Chechnyans were at war with tsarist Russia dating back to the 1830's-1840's, they have a long, long warlike history (and on the battlefield and a damned good one too).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_popular_given_names

TImur is #4

Tamerlane is #7

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

That's pretty absurd, do we have evidence to support her comment that it is "ordinary"? She's writing for Al Jazeera.

I do agree with her overall tone that people should not be prejudiced against the Chechnyans as an ethnicity (and I will go further and say that the Russians should not be in Dagestan or Chechnya at all), but if it were true that people are naming their children "Tamerlain" or "Timur" on an ordinary basiss well then maybe that is a reflection of the incredible violence there.

Also on a historical level the Chechnyans were at war with tsarist Russia dating back to the 1830's-1840's, they have a long, long warlike history (and on the battlefield and a damned good one too).

What is absurd?

You said it was a very strange choice for a name and gave it attached additional significance. Fennis just posted a link that says it's one of the 10-most common names in the area though.

So, why does the Nicholas analogy that you quickly dismissed not fit here?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Knowing nothing of the Tsarnaevs' motives, and little about Chechens, the American media tore into Wikipedia and came back with stereotypes. The Tsarnaevs were stripped of their 21st century American life and became symbols of a distant land, forever frozen in time. Journalist Eliza Shapiro proclaimed that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was "named after a brutal warlord", despite the fact that Tamerlan, or Timur, is an ordinary first name in the Caucasus and Central Asia. Her claim is equivalent to saying a child named Nicholas must be named in honour of ruthless Russian tsar Nicholas I - an irony apparently lost on New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof, who made a similar denouncement on Twitter (to his credit, Kristof quickly retracted the comment).

http://m.aljazeera.com/story/2013421145859380504Ok, Nicholas is a common name and you could be naming your child after the saint or a million different Nicholas's who have come and gone before.

As for the name "Tamerlain"???? It's like saying, "Oh hey I know my kid is a serial murderer and all but the fact I named him "Ted Bundy McGowan" is just puuureee coincidence."

How common is the name Tamerlan in the region this family was from? The article I posted says its very common. Do you have evidence otherwise?

That's pretty absurd, do we have evidence to support her comment that it is "ordinary"? She's writing for Al Jazeera.

I do agree with her overall tone that people should not be prejudiced against the Chechnyans as an ethnicity (and I will go further and say that the Russians should not be in Dagestan or Chechnya at all), but if it were true that people are naming their children "Tamerlain" or "Timur" on an ordinary basiss well then maybe that is a reflection of the incredible violence there.

Also on a historical level the Chechnyans were at war with tsarist Russia dating back to the 1830's-1840's, they have a long, long warlike history (and on the battlefield and a damned good one too).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_popular_given_names

TImur is #4

Tamerlane is #7

Now.... that is a great link.

Thanks.

 

[Fennis]

There are 4,974,366 people in the U.S named Robert - Robert Lee (include 11,000 people named Robert Lee)

There are 2,224,336 people in the U.S named Joseph - Joseph Stalin

There are 1,471,314 people in the U.S named George - King George II

There are 12,629 people in the U.S. with the first name Isabella - Isabella I

There are fewer than 1,579 people in the U.S. with the first name Pol. - Pol Pot

http://howmanyofme.com/search/

 

[Sinn Fein]

Knowing nothing of the Tsarnaevs' motives, and little about Chechens, the American media tore into Wikipedia and came back with stereotypes. The Tsarnaevs were stripped of their 21st century American life and became symbols of a distant land, forever frozen in time. Journalist Eliza Shapiro proclaimed that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was "named after a brutal warlord", despite the fact that Tamerlan, or Timur, is an ordinary first name in the Caucasus and Central Asia. Her claim is equivalent to saying a child named Nicholas must be named in honour of ruthless Russian tsar Nicholas I - an irony apparently lost on New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof, who made a similar denouncement on Twitter (to his credit, Kristof quickly retracted the comment).

http://m.aljazeera.com/story/2013421145859380504Ok, Nicholas is a common name and you could be naming your child after the saint or a million different Nicholas's who have come and gone before.

As for the name "Tamerlain"???? It's like saying, "Oh hey I know my kid is a serial murderer and all but the fact I named him "Ted Bundy McGowan" is just puuureee coincidence."

How common is the name Tamerlan in the region this family was from? The article I posted says its very common. Do you have evidence otherwise?

That's pretty absurd, do we have evidence to support her comment that it is "ordinary"? She's writing for Al Jazeera.

I do agree with her overall tone that people should not be prejudiced against the Chechnyans as an ethnicity (and I will go further and say that the Russians should not be in Dagestan or Chechnya at all), but if it were true that people are naming their children "Tamerlain" or "Timur" on an ordinary basiss well then maybe that is a reflection of the incredible violence there.

Also on a historical level the Chechnyans were at war with tsarist Russia dating back to the 1830's-1840's, they have a long, long warlike history (and on the battlefield and a damned good one too).

Why is writing for Al Jazeera a problem for you?

 

[KCitons]

There are 4,974,366 people in the U.S named Robert - Robert Lee (include 11,000 people named Robert Lee)

There are 2,224,336 people in the U.S named Joseph - Joseph Stalin

There are 1,471,314 people in the U.S named George - King George II

There are 12,629 people in the U.S. with the first name Isabella - Isabella I

There are fewer than 1,579 people in the U.S. with the first name Pol. - Pol Pot

http://howmanyofme.com/search/

hmm, not many named Adolph Hitler?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

That's pretty absurd, do we have evidence to support her comment that it is "ordinary"? She's writing for Al Jazeera.

I do agree with her overall tone that people should not be prejudiced against the Chechnyans as an ethnicity (and I will go further and say that the Russians should not be in Dagestan or Chechnya at all), but if it were true that people are naming their children "Tamerlain" or "Timur" on an ordinary basiss well then maybe that is a reflection of the incredible violence there.

Also on a historical level the Chechnyans were at war with tsarist Russia dating back to the 1830's-1840's, they have a long, long warlike history (and on the battlefield and a damned good one too).

What is absurd?

You said it was a very strange choice for a name and gave it attached additional significance. Fennis just posted a link that says it's one of the 10-most common names in the area though.

So, why does the Nicholas analogy that you quickly dismissed not fit here?

Hey I have to hand it to Fennis, that's the kind of thing I would like to see, so thanks.

The article says he was from Russia, but I would think that means Chechnya. And yet the article states that "Neither of the brothers has ever lived there."

So where did Tamerlain grow up? Not Kazachstan. He was born in Kalmykia, which is just south of Volgograd, or Stalingrad as it was once known. It's also just east of Kazachstan, so hey let's accept that it's a common name.

I also think that the point raised about his being the "wrong kind of Caucasian" is interesting. The Tsarnaevs are/were Caucasian, literally caucasian but no one considers them "white" which just shows how absurd racial classifications are.

As for the Nicholas analogy, sorry, I still think that's not covered here. There really is no comparison between Nicholas I and Tamerlain. The reality is that millions of Kazachstanians are naming their children after a great Mongul mass murderer is pretty sad but of course it does not mean that any such child will grow up to be a terrorist. - Now "Ivan", maybe that's a better example. In any case, thanks.

 

[Otis]

It's baffling that these two clowns didn't have an exit strategy. The kid had his car in the shop. It appears neither one had a job. They had to rob somebody to get a car and ATM money. They had no money and no plan. These guys appear to not be very smart yet somehow figured out how to build several bombs. Maybe that was the easy part. But how can two people this stupid do that much damage?

When you think about it, what was the exit strategy of the Columbine, Virginia Tech or Sandy Hook kids? The only difference here is that after the initial terror attack, these two brothers were able to commit another act a couple of days later.

Crazy is crazy, sane people will never be able to figure it out.

They tried to get away with it though. They went back to their lives and acted as if they did nothing. That was never the plan with the other examples you listed.

True, but my question was what was the exit strategy of the others? If you know you are going to die sooner or later, maybe the last hour rampage was planned all along. Who knows, these two may have been armed with guns and bombs the entire time after the bombings. Just waiting for the end to come.

I don't think va tech or newtown had the wherewithal to even have an exit strategy or than to shoot as many people as possible. Columbine was a bit different but I don't think they had an exit strategy other than mass mayhem. These boston guys actually thought they wouldn't get caught. Their exit strategy was to just go back home and act like nothing happened. They strike me as more dumb than crazy. They watched too many online terror vids and Jason Bourne-type movies. I'd bet anything that moron in Boston is wishing he could go back in time 9 days. 9 days ago he was a weed smoking, babe banging college kid. What was the problem?

Oops, religious extremism.

lol

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Knowing nothing of the Tsarnaevs' motives, and little about Chechens, the American media tore into Wikipedia and came back with stereotypes. The Tsarnaevs were stripped of their 21st century American life and became symbols of a distant land, forever frozen in time. Journalist Eliza Shapiro proclaimed that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was "named after a brutal warlord", despite the fact that Tamerlan, or Timur, is an ordinary first name in the Caucasus and Central Asia. Her claim is equivalent to saying a child named Nicholas must be named in honour of ruthless Russian tsar Nicholas I - an irony apparently lost on New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof, who made a similar denouncement on Twitter (to his credit, Kristof quickly retracted the comment).

http://m.aljazeera.com/story/2013421145859380504Ok, Nicholas is a common name and you could be naming your child after the saint or a million different Nicholas's who have come and gone before.

As for the name "Tamerlain"???? It's like saying, "Oh hey I know my kid is a serial murderer and all but the fact I named him "Ted Bundy McGowan" is just puuureee coincidence."

How common is the name Tamerlan in the region this family was from? The article I posted says its very common. Do you have evidence otherwise?

That's pretty absurd, do we have evidence to support her comment that it is "ordinary"? She's writing for Al Jazeera.

I do agree with her overall tone that people should not be prejudiced against the Chechnyans as an ethnicity (and I will go further and say that the Russians should not be in Dagestan or Chechnya at all), but if it were true that people are naming their children "Tamerlain" or "Timur" on an ordinary basiss well then maybe that is a reflection of the incredible violence there.

Also on a historical level the Chechnyans were at war with tsarist Russia dating back to the 1830's-1840's, they have a long, long warlike history (and on the battlefield and a damned good one too).

Why is writing for Al Jazeera a problem for you?

There is little I really have a problem with, I just meant that AJ is probably slanted towards an Arab, middle eastern or muslim audience and the point of the article is mostly to defend and not approach it objectively, that's all.

And yes that could be said about a whole lot of sources.

 

[Fennis]

There are 4,974,366 people in the U.S named Robert - Robert Lee (include 11,000 people named Robert Lee)

There are 2,224,336 people in the U.S named Joseph - Joseph Stalin

There are 1,471,314 people in the U.S named George - King George II

There are 12,629 people in the U.S. with the first name Isabella - Isabella I

There are fewer than 1,579 people in the U.S. with the first name Pol. - Pol Pot

http://howmanyofme.com/search/

hmm, not many named Adolph Hitler?

give it a couple hundred years.

 

[Otis]

Not sure if this has been posted yet but I find this lady's outlook remarkable.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/23/us/boston-marathon-amputee/

Great to see she is so positive and best of luck to her in her recovery.

I saw that on CNN, that girl is awesome, that just shows how great humanity can be.

Reading that makes me elated that the one kid is dead, and that the other kid spent half a day hurt, scared, and alone, and that he's in for a life of misery.

Animals.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I saw that on CNN, that girl is awesome, that just shows how great humanity can be.

Saw her too. She's probably just being herself, but her response to what happened -- a message of optimism, lightness and will to live life -- is absolutely the best reply anyone could make to evil.

"The good outnumber you, and we always will."

 

[tjnc09]

A lot of the holes that existed initially have been filled in with reports coming out and by the Watertown chief giving that interview with Dennis & Callahan.

The main question I still have - why the hell did they kill that MIT cop?

I personally think it was to make everyone believe they were still in Boston and distract police resources while they made their escape/journey to their next target. I think grabbing the gun was an afterthought as they had plenty of ammunition.

Sad

 

[The Dude]

A lot of the holes that existed initially have been filled in with reports coming out and by the Watertown chief giving that interview with Dennis & Callahan.

The main question I still have - why the hell did they kill that MIT cop?

I personally think it was to make everyone believe they were still in Boston and distract police resources while they made their escape/journey to their next target. I think grabbing the gun was an afterthought as they had plenty of ammunition.

Sad

Reported on the radio that they believe they killed him for his gun

 

[The Comedian]

A lot of the holes that existed initially have been filled in with reports coming out and by the Watertown chief giving that interview with Dennis & Callahan.

The main question I still have - why the hell did they kill that MIT cop?

I personally think it was to make everyone believe they were still in Boston and distract police resources while they made their escape/journey to their next target. I think grabbing the gun was an afterthought as they had plenty of ammunition.

Sad

Reported on the radio that they believe they killed him for his gun

Wow, for some reason that makes me feel worse. No idea why.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Has anyone mentioned the name Tamerlan and what a strange choice this was for a name by the father?

historically known as Tamerlane

>>

Timur envisioned the restoration of the Mongol Empire of Genghis Khan.[13] As a means of legitimating his conquests, Timur relied on Islamic symbols and language, referring to himself as the Sword of Islam and patronizing educational and religious institutions. He converted nearly all the Borjigin leaders to Islam during his lifetime.[14] His armies were inclusively multi-ethnic. During his lifetime Timur emerged as the most powerful ruler in the Muslim world after defeating the Mamluks of Egypt and Syria, the emerging Ottoman Empire and the declining Sultanate of Delhi. Timur had also decisively defeated the Christian Knights Hospitaller at Smyrna, styling himself a Ghazi.[15] By the end of his reign Timur had also gained complete control over all the remnants of the Chagatai Khanate, Ilkhanate, Golden Horde and even attempted to restore the Yuan dynasty.[citation needed]

Timur's armies were feared throughout Asia, Africa, and Europe,[16] sizable parts of which were laid to ruin by his campaigns.[17] Scholars estimate that his military campaigns caused the deaths of 17 million people, amounting to about 5% of the world population.

lockquote>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamerlaine

The other brother is named after the 1st President of the Chechen Republic.

OMG. Who was HE named after?

 

[shader]

Bombers connected to Alex Jones?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/alex-jones-downplays-conn_n_3142093.html

 

[HellToupee]

Turns out Tamerlane was a big fan of Truthers and Infowars. Go figure. As Deadspin points out a site dedicated to insisting there are no terrorists, but only governments who kill their citizens to erode civil liberties somehow managed to help incite a terrorist attack.

Is Infowars a false-flag website designed to collect fans like Tamerlan Tsarnaev to discredit Infowars?

Tamerlan took an interest in Infowars, a conspiracy theory website. Khozhugov said Tamerlan was interested in finding a copy of the book "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion," the classic anti-Semitic hoax, first published in Russia in 1903, that claims a Jewish plot to take over the world.

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20130423/US-Boston-Marathon-Radicalization/

 

[tjnc09]

The man who discovered the second Boston Marathon bomber hiding out inside his boat got choked up when talking about the victims of the deadly blasts.

David Henneberry dismisses claims that he is a national hero, saying that if anything, he is an 'incidental hero'.

'It makes me feel wonderful that people that are thinking like that, but it is my boat. People lost lives and lost limbs,' Mr Henneberry told local station WCVB.

...

He also said that he is aware of a social media campaign where supporters are raising money to buy him a new boat after his was damaged in the apprehension of Tsarnaev. Instead, Mr Henneberry wants people to donate to a fund set up for those who were injured in last Monday's bombing.

'I am lucky I am alive. These other people were killed. Sometimes, I just sit and say, "Wow,"' he said.

'This hits you more afterwards when you think “My God, we probably slept last night, this guy could be in the (boat)… It’s surreal.’

 

[SacramentoBob]

Wait, these guys had an 06 Merc?

How, was Tamarlin that good of a boxer?

Has anyone mentioned the name Tamerlan and what a strange choice this was for a name by the father?

Timur envisioned the restoration of the Mongol Empire of Genghis Khan.[13] As a means of legitimating his conquests, Timur relied on Islamic symbols and language, referring to himself as the Sword of Islam and patronizing educational and religious institutions. He converted nearly all the Borjigin leaders to Islam during his lifetime.[14] His armies were inclusively multi-ethnic. During his lifetime Timur emerged as the most powerful ruler in the Muslim world after defeating the Mamluks of Egypt and Syria, the emerging Ottoman Empire and the declining Sultanate of Delhi. Timur had also decisively defeated the Christian Knights Hospitaller at Smyrna, styling himself a Ghazi.[15] By the end of his reign Timur had also gained complete control over all the remnants of the Chagatai Khanate, Ilkhanate, Golden Horde and even attempted to restore the Yuan dynasty.[citation needed]

Timur's armies were feared throughout Asia, Africa, and Europe,[16] sizable parts of which were laid to ruin by his campaigns.[17] Scholars estimate that his military campaigns caused the deaths of 17 million people, amounting to about 5% of the world population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamerlaine

Well, yes, this isn't just some dude, in that part of the world this is on the order of a German naming his kid after Adolf Hitler. He killed 5% of the world's population by some estimates. The RE Lee comparison doesn't really do it justice. If you want a comparison along those lines, how about a white parent in Selma naming his child "Nathan Bedford Forrest Johnson" and then that kid blows up a black church, then you might be on to something.

http://m.aljazeera.com/story/2013421145859380504

Ok, Nicholas is a common name and you could be naming your child after the saint or a million different Nicholas's who have come and gone before.

As for the name "Tamerlain"???? It's like saying, "Oh hey I know my kid is a serial murderer and all but the fact I named him "Ted Bundy McGowan" is just puuureee coincidence."

That's how fundamentalist muslim marriages work. He calls the shots and she shuts up or gets it. That's pretty much it.

I had thought so but then general historical knowldge ain't what it used to be.

That's pretty absurd, do we have evidence to support her comment that it is "ordinary"? She's writing for Al Jazeera.

I do agree with her overall tone that people should not be prejudiced against the Chechnyans as an ethnicity (and I will go further and say that the Russians should not be in Dagestan or Chechnya at all), but if it were true that people are naming their children "Tamerlain" or "Timur" on an ordinary basiss well then maybe that is a reflection of the incredible violence there.

Also on a historical level the Chechnyans were at war with tsarist Russia dating back to the 1830's-1840's, they have a long, long warlike history (and on the battlefield and a damned good one too).

Now.... that is a great link.

Thanks.

Hey I have to hand it to Fennis, that's the kind of thing I would like to see, so thanks.

The article says he was from Russia, but I would think that means Chechnya. And yet the article states that "Neither of the brothers has ever lived there."

So where did Tamerlain grow up? Not Kazachstan. He was born in Kalmykia, which is just south of Volgograd, or Stalingrad as it was once known. It's also just east of Kazachstan, so hey let's accept that it's a common name.

I also think that the point raised about his being the "wrong kind of Caucasian" is interesting. The Tsarnaevs are/were Caucasian, literally caucasian but no one considers them "white" which just shows how absurd racial classifications are.

As for the Nicholas analogy, sorry, I still think that's not covered here. There really is no comparison between Nicholas I and Tamerlain. The reality is that millions of Kazachstanians are naming their children after a great Mongul mass murderer is pretty sad but of course it does not mean that any such child will grow up to be a terrorist. - Now "Ivan", maybe that's a better example. In any case, thanks.

There is little I really have a problem with, I just meant that AJ is probably slanted towards an Arab, middle eastern or muslim audience and the point of the article is mostly to defend and not approach it objectively, that's all.

And yes that could be said about a whole lot of sources.

You going for the timschochet 2013 award or something? Come up for air.

 

[shuke]

I don't have time to read 172 pages of this thread to see if this has been mentioned, so I apologize in advance if it has. Is anybody else wondering why many have been so generous with kudos to law enforcement's handling of this tragedy? Seems to me that they've made a LOT of mistakes:

1. Ignoring red flags about the fanatacism of the brothers.

2. Allowing amateurish "watch-list" extremists to plant multiple IEDs at major public event.

3. Not catching them for days in spite of strong photographic evidence and allowing MIT officer's murder and endangering carjack victim.

4. Allowing white hat to escape the chase scene in Watertown.

5. Unable to find him all day in such an obvious hiding place and endangering the life of the home/boat owner who found him.

So you haven't been following anything in this thread and decide now to come in and fish? Pass.

 

[QuizGuy66]

You literally can't find people more Caucasian than these two. They were born in the Caucasus to ethnic Caucasians.

too bad they weren't active in Iowa's presidential process.

Flown in from Seacaucus, NY?

Secaucus, NJ http://www.secaucusnj.org/

-QG

 

[tjnc09]

Only in America can you get 13,000 followers on Twitter in a week by disgracing Boston victims suggesting they were only actors. #disgusting

 

[southeastjerome]

Well we are starting to find out where these guys got some of their money.

Marathon bombings mastermind Tamerlan Tsarnaev was living on taxpayer-funded state welfare benefits even as he was delving deep into the world of radical anti-American Islamism, the Herald has learned.

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/04/tamerlan_tsarnaev_got_mass_welfare_benefits?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

[Short Corner]

You going for the timschochet 2013 award or something? Come up for air.

Forget it. He's rolling.

 

[The Kerminator]

You going for the timschochet 2013 award or something? Come up for air.

For a minute there I thought I wandered into the 'Baby Names' thread.

 

[HellToupee]

Well we are starting to find out where these guys got some of their money.

Marathon bombings mastermind Tamerlan Tsarnaev was living on taxpayer-funded state welfare benefits even as he was delving deep into the world of radical anti-American Islamism, the Herald has learned.

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/04/tamerlan_tsarnaev_got_mass_welfare_benefits?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Gee that is so surprising.I wonder who was paying Umass D

 

[gump]

The man who discovered the second Boston Marathon bomber hiding out inside his boat got choked up when talking about the victims of the deadly blasts.

David Henneberry dismisses claims that he is a national hero, saying that if anything, he is an 'incidental hero'.

'It makes me feel wonderful that people that are thinking like that, but it is my boat. People lost lives and lost limbs,' Mr Henneberry told local station WCVB.

...

He also said that he is aware of a social media campaign where supporters are raising money to buy him a new boat after his was damaged in the apprehension of Tsarnaev. Instead, Mr Henneberry wants people to donate to a fund set up for those who were injured in last Monday's bombing.

'I am lucky I am alive. These other people were killed. Sometimes, I just sit and say, "Wow,"' he said.

'This hits you more afterwards when you think “My God, we probably slept last night, this guy could be in the (boat)… It’s surreal.’

So more incorrect info being cleared up...the boat owner didn't see blood THEN open up the boat wrap.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

The man who discovered the second Boston Marathon bomber hiding out inside his boat got choked up when talking about the victims of the deadly blasts.

David Henneberry dismisses claims that he is a national hero, saying that if anything, he is an 'incidental hero'.

'It makes me feel wonderful that people that are thinking like that, but it is my boat. People lost lives and lost limbs,' Mr Henneberry told local station WCVB.

...

He also said that he is aware of a social media campaign where supporters are raising money to buy him a new boat after his was damaged in the apprehension of Tsarnaev. Instead, Mr Henneberry wants people to donate to a fund set up for those who were injured in last Monday's bombing.

'I am lucky I am alive. These other people were killed. Sometimes, I just sit and say, "Wow,"' he said.

'This hits you more afterwards when you think “My God, we probably slept last night, this guy could be in the (boat)… It’s surreal.’

So more incorrect info being cleared up...the boat owner didn't see blood THEN open up the boat wrap.

where does it say that it didn't happen that way?

 

[snogger]

The man who discovered the second Boston Marathon bomber hiding out inside his boat got choked up when talking about the victims of the deadly blasts.

David Henneberry dismisses claims that he is a national hero, saying that if anything, he is an 'incidental hero'.

'It makes me feel wonderful that people that are thinking like that, but it is my boat. People lost lives and lost limbs,' Mr Henneberry told local station WCVB.

...

He also said that he is aware of a social media campaign where supporters are raising money to buy him a new boat after his was damaged in the apprehension of Tsarnaev. Instead, Mr Henneberry wants people to donate to a fund set up for those who were injured in last Monday's bombing.

'I am lucky I am alive. These other people were killed. Sometimes, I just sit and say, "Wow,"' he said.

'This hits you more afterwards when you think “My God, we probably slept last night, this guy could be in the (boat)… It’s surreal.’

So more incorrect info being cleared up...the boat owner didn't see blood THEN open up the boat wrap.

where does it say that it didn't happen that way?

Ummm...

Despite official accounts that he saw blood on the outside of the boat, Henneberry said that is not true.

"No indication of anything. I know people say I saw blood on the boat, 'He saw blood on the boat.' Not true," he said.

"I said OK, everything is fine. There are no visible signs of blood outside the boat. I went inside," he said.

 

[snogger]

The man who discovered the second Boston Marathon bomber hiding out inside his boat got choked up when talking about the victims of the deadly blasts.

David Henneberry dismisses claims that he is a national hero, saying that if anything, he is an 'incidental hero'.

'It makes me feel wonderful that people that are thinking like that, but it is my boat. People lost lives and lost limbs,' Mr Henneberry told local station WCVB.

...

He also said that he is aware of a social media campaign where supporters are raising money to buy him a new boat after his was damaged in the apprehension of Tsarnaev. Instead, Mr Henneberry wants people to donate to a fund set up for those who were injured in last Monday's bombing.

'I am lucky I am alive. These other people were killed. Sometimes, I just sit and say, "Wow,"' he said.

'This hits you more afterwards when you think “My God, we probably slept last night, this guy could be in the (boat)… It’s surreal.’

So more incorrect info being cleared up...the boat owner didn't see blood THEN open up the boat wrap.

at this quote:

"I didn't waste any time. I didn't ask him if he wanted a cup of coffee. I was off that ladder. That is all I remember," he said.

 

[shader]

Sunil Tripathi, who was wrongly accused of being the bomber was found dead in a river.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313870/Sunil-Tripathi-Police-body-missing-college-student-falsely-accused-Boston-Marathon-bomber-internet-sleuths.html

 

[5 digit know nothing]

The man who discovered the second Boston Marathon bomber hiding out inside his boat got choked up when talking about the victims of the deadly blasts.

David Henneberry dismisses claims that he is a national hero, saying that if anything, he is an 'incidental hero'.

'It makes me feel wonderful that people that are thinking like that, but it is my boat. People lost lives and lost limbs,' Mr Henneberry told local station WCVB.

...

He also said that he is aware of a social media campaign where supporters are raising money to buy him a new boat after his was damaged in the apprehension of Tsarnaev. Instead, Mr Henneberry wants people to donate to a fund set up for those who were injured in last Monday's bombing.

'I am lucky I am alive. These other people were killed. Sometimes, I just sit and say, "Wow,"' he said.

'This hits you more afterwards when you think “My God, we probably slept last night, this guy could be in the (boat)… It’s surreal.’

So more incorrect info being cleared up...the boat owner didn't see blood THEN open up the boat wrap.

where does it say that it didn't happen that way?

Ummm...

>

Despite official accounts that he saw blood on the outside of the boat, Henneberry said that is not true.

"No indication of anything. I know people say I saw blood on the boat, 'He saw blood on the boat.' Not true," he said.

"I said OK, everything is fine. There are no visible signs of blood outside the boat. I went inside," he said.

Right. No clue why he would edit that part out of the post he was responding to.