jamny
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Was the younger brother in the terrorist watchlist too? I thought it was just Tamerlin. I think the mom was put on the list 18 months ago.
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Riversco
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I guess not just his bro and mom. Thats still very wrong tho. Dzhokhar got his green card in 2007. There is a 5 year wait to apply for citizenship and he applied as soon as he could and got it immediately. When your family is on the watchlist you'd think there would at least be some significant delays. This is screwed up.
jamny
Footballguy
I defintely agree. They really need to review how things like this can happen. Seems like multiple failures.
Officer Pete Malloy
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彼の拘束がある方ですか? 彼はコートシステムを通過しますか? ここはトライアルになりますか? または、グアンタナモ収容所に移動していますか?
FootballDummy
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BustedKnuckles
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Mr. Retukes
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Starting to? That (poorly written) CNN article indicates that it had been deleted before the shootout.
sho nuff
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Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
MadCow does it diagonally.
sporthenry
Footballguy
The Russians warned us twice. Repeatedly sounds a bit disingenuous. The FBI vetted him and asked for more information both times and got nothing from the Russians. They were just made aware of the phone call mentioning 'jihad.' I fail to see how this was a massive failure in the system.Wikipedia has the terrorist list at roughly 745,000 people. Trying to keep track of all those people would likely require a ton more resources than currently available. And then as you can guess, we have a list of 745,000 people yet clearly many of those don't appear to be terrorists, so what do we do? Not allow anyone on that list to be an American Citizen? What does him being an American citizen have to do with what happened? I'm not really sure why the Citizenship part matters much? Perhaps it made traveling a bit easier but it wasn't like that took him off their database and as we've seen with al-Awlaki, killing US citizens isn't beneath us.
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jamny
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It's one thing that they didn't know who did the bombing beforehand but after the fact, how is it that they didn't make the connection when they had photos? They release the pics and ask the public's help, meanwhile they have one of them in the terrorist database? What good is a database when you can't put two and two together and have your answer. If the plan was to flush them out, it was a poor one because it resulted in the death of a police officer and it could have been much worse.
jamny
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BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Im guessing the plan was to get as many witnesses as possible to come forward with pictures and or video`s to help build a case and grab these guys ASAP.
biggamer3
Footballguy
troy posted a pic of the mother and a bank account number asking for people to send donations. The twitter acct of the mother is obviously fake. I'm not sure what's really going on there, but it's interesting to watch.
Apparently those two kids have gained the interest of a known hactivist that made the same link you did (apparently the Boston bombs had fireworks in them as well). I think things are going to get very
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St. Louis Bob
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Story on Yahoo news about how the mother was taped on the phone discussing jihad with the older scumbag.
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Sand
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But, but it was America's fault! America took her kids away!
Seriously, can we arrest her now?
FootballDummy
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Billy Bats
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No, no, just a couple of actors playing the part in the setup. Get with it man!
cstu
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the moops
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Homer J Simpson
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Man, too bad you weren't on the case. You'd have been through those 700,000 files like a fatguy through a pizza.
Jamny, your country needs you...please join the FBI, or at the very least, send in a resume for the head of Homeland Security.
jamny
Footballguy
I'm sure the people are all top notch. A million times better than what I'd be capable of. Sorry if I think the system in place might hamper their ability to avoid something like this. When Russia twice warns about this guy becoming radicalized and they know he lives in Boston, and 2 bombs go off in Boston, it doesn't seem too out of the realm of possibilty that they could make the connection. That's just me I guess. I must just be bored. Do all 700,000 people on the list live in the Boston area?
Keerock
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sporthenry
Footballguy
So again I pose, what does him being an American citizen have to do with what happened? Is there any evidence that him being a citizen helped him at all in his plot?
Keerock
Footballguy
He may not have been here if not granted citizenship... a visa only lasts so long...
Doug B
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Thanks for this ... engrossing and comprehensive read. It's semi-long, but it flies by. Best account of the carjacking I've seen yet.
sporthenry
Footballguy
Well Tamerlan wasn't the American citizen. And he was the one on the list. Surprisingly, Tamerlan's citizenship was being held up b/c he was on the FBI list. Dzokhar who had no reason to hold it up, was the one who became the American citizen. And even then, I highly doubt his student visa would have run out. Swing and a miss.
sounds like Russia didn't share any details.I thought I also heard a report that they thought he was still out of the country at the time.
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sporthenry
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Keerock
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BTW... I'd extend this to say if any of your immediate family members are on the list, you should be too.
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Should anyone on the "watch list" be allowed to enter, or re-enter the US? 
You can be turned away at the Canadian border if you have a DUI on your record.
You can be turned away at the Canadian border if you have a DUI on your record.
Officer Pete Malloy
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KCitons
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Doug B
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Something that occured to me, but has some problems:
Say a country well-acquainted with internal terrorism, such as Russia, Saudia Arabia, Yemen, Indonesia, etc. warns the U.S. about a specific person. Should that specific person be summarily deported? No hearing, no investigate, just immediate arrest and deportation?
The problem: that's a great way for "bad" countries to get legitimate political dissidents sent back.
Still, maybe there's a germ of a workable idea here. You think that if Russia tips off the FBI about someone now, that things will be handled differently?
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
Keerock
Footballguy
If that's what it takes. Better to have overkill on the front end than kill 4 and injure/maime hundreds more IMO
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Breaking News just tweeted that they found female DNA on the bomb. I guess that means a woman was involved in planning/executing.
Wrigley
Footballguy
sporthenry
Footballguy
Well beyond arguing about the legality/morality of this, putting a watch list together of 10 million people sort of defeats the purpose of a watch list and makes said watch list even more ineffective using resources to track people who aren't a threat. Add in today's day and age of cutting government funding, where do the resources come from to track 10 million people?Keerock said:
KCitons
Footballguy
I don't want to be part of the Terrorist database argument. But, it amazes me that they can take evidence from a explosion site and find DNA of a woman. But, they can't figure out a way to identify someone that was at the bomb site via a terrorist database.
Seems like we are good at reactive stuff, but not good being proactive.
Seems like we are good at reactive stuff, but not good being proactive.
Keerock
Footballguy
sporthenry
Footballguy
Well the problem is, as the article stated, the original images were terrible. And Tamerlan, the one on the database, was wearing a hat/sunglasses which made it even more difficult. As they mention, part of the reasoning for releasing the photos was seemingly to get more pictures from people who actually had good photos of the suspects. The article posted earlier was actually pretty interesting in terms of what they talked about when deciding to release the photos.But you look at these photos and I could probably find a few friends who look similar. And then they'd have to go through 750,000 photos looking for potential matches? I'm sure that would have been the natural progression and that is why people expected this ordeal to take weeks if not months.
culdeus
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gump
Footballguy
That was my point for posting my experience with a states Homeland Security head....he wanted to spend his money on equipment to clean up issues....instead of intelligence to keep issues from occurring.
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