Alex P Keaton
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I have no idea. My comment was sarcastic. I’ve yet to see an abundance of people encouraging this behavior.
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Extreme Left Threats against Supreme Court (1 Viewer)
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The Commish
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I have no idea...and the answers you get to this question on this board will likely depend heavily on which slanted US media source the person responding consumes. I can think of a single person (twisting my head and squinting) two people who have given what can be interpreted as a "defense" to these people on this board. Of course when that occurs, then the rest of us are projected upon with views found out on the web somewhere and told we're part of the group....rinse and repeat.
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jm192
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I think we have a tendency to blur the lines of definitions when the people doing the bad things are on "our side."
You can peacefully protest a SCOTUS decision anywhere in the world. You go to their physical address to intimidate and put fear into them. You're letting them know you're upset--which is fine--but going to their house says "Also we know where you sleep, and we're watching you."
And I think if roles were reversed--and Trump supporters were outside KBJ's house protesting--AOC would think it's the end of Democracy; not "peaceful protest."
jm192
Footballguy
Pete B went on Fox. He says it is not ok to harass or intimidate. It is ok to exercise your first amendment rights and peacefully protest.
I agree with all of this.
The problem is Pete and I do not agree with which this falls under. Peacefully protesting at public locations=peaceful protest.
Going to someone's house is letting them know that YOU KNOW where they live. And they better get their act together. It is very much a means of intimidation and harassment. But he's playing the game. He's denouncing harassment and intimidation, but defining this as not that. So what's happening is ok. But I denounce the bad stuff if that ever happens.
As I said in the other post--how would Pete be perceiving this if it were Trump supporters outside of KBJ's house?
I agree with all of this.
The problem is Pete and I do not agree with which this falls under. Peacefully protesting at public locations=peaceful protest.
Going to someone's house is letting them know that YOU KNOW where they live. And they better get their act together. It is very much a means of intimidation and harassment. But he's playing the game. He's denouncing harassment and intimidation, but defining this as not that. So what's happening is ok. But I denounce the bad stuff if that ever happens.
As I said in the other post--how would Pete be perceiving this if it were Trump supporters outside of KBJ's house?
dkp993
Footballguy
How people can’t understand how incredibly intimidating and scary it must be to have a bunch of strangers outside your home upset with a decision you’ve made I’ll never know. And to your point the protesters damn well know this, it’s a part of what they are trying to do.
timschochet
Footballguy
This is where I stand as well. Going to somebody’s house should be off limits in a civil society.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
1000% with the last 3 posts.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Times 5....now all we need is the usuals coming in and telling us all how we are part of this and our "side" is supporting it. Kinda surprised it hasn't happened already.
Sand
Footballguy
Class A political coward. If this was a Republican the "dog whistle" description would be whipped out in no time.
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I think it's time to start paying for the locations of prominent Democrats and protesting the hell out of them.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
The problem is that the side that approved protesting at residential homes is that of the Supreme Court in arguing that your state didn't show why a 300-foot buffer zone around abortion clinic employee's homes was justified. Now obviously I can and do disagree with Supreme Court rulings (including this one), but this fight was lost a long time ago. Sure, it's wrong. It is wrong every time protestors show up in front of Nancy Pelosi's house, every time they showed up at some abortion clinic doctor's home, every time they showed up at some abortion clinic receptionist's home, every time they brought death threats to Christine Blasey Ford's home, and every time it has happened at a Supreme Court justice's home. It is wrong, but thanks to courts almost 30-year-old decision here we are.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
I agree completely with your post, someone's house should be off limits. But is that was Buttigeig was defending? From a Yahoo article:
Pete Buttigieg defended his husband over a tweet poking fun at Justice Brett Kavanaugh’s meal being disrupted by anti-abortion protesters in Washington DC this week.
The Transport Secretary was asked on Fox News Sunday if Chasten Buttigieg’s Twitter post was appropriate, in which he wrote: “Sounds like he just wanted some privacy to make his own dining decisions.”
Mr Buttigieg acknowledged that public officials “should always be free from violence,” but said they would never be immune from criticism and peaceful protests.
“Remember, the justice never even came into contact with these protesters, reportedly didn’t see or hear them. And these protesters are upset because a right, an important right that the majority of Americans support was taken away.”
Sand
Footballguy
So the fault really lies with Blackmun, Burger, Douglas, Brennan, Stewart, Marshall, and Powell. Let's go protest their houses!
GordonGekko
Footballguy
If you don't like the law , change the law through the democratic processes available. That's it. That's your solution. Not this cheap whataboutism where Team Blue gets to pick and choose what laws should matter or not.
Some people are upset about Roe being overturned?
Bill Clinton should have codified it into federal law in 1993 when he had the chance.
Barack Obama should have codified it into federal law in 2009 when he had the chance and a super majority
Hillary Clinton should have won the 2016 general election ( mostly by not screwing up Benghazi, marrying an accused serial rapist and then defending him, not having a private email server and not triggering the working class so much) so that Donald Trump wouldn't have had the chance to fill SCOTUS with Conservative Catholic Justices
Harry Reid should not have listened to Obama's orders and nuked the judicial filibuster, which ended up spiraling out of control into the later Garland/Gorsuch problem
In each of my examples, the failure was the lack of using actual democratic processes available. Those were all choices
You are taking the typical Team Blue position that you don't "feel" like certain laws should be enforced, so it doesn't have to happen and so what, everyone needs to deal with it.
If your side of the political aisle wants changes that fit your vision of how the world should be, they need go out and win lots of elections. Use those majorities to get the law you want. Win a mother load of them. But they can't after they've crippled the economy and pushed culture wars over "kitchen table working class" issues. Whose fault is that?
Your position is the same kind of rationalization used by terrorist organizations. You are just repeating shock marketing outrage porn common on clickbait social media. Did you ever ask yourself where that kind of media engagement and the strategy behind it came from? You've been co-opted in the same way recruitment happens for terrorist groups all over the world. Congratulations.
The Commish
Footballguy
I can't control the hypocrisy on this, so I don't even bother. We could add a litney of other incidents where some of those up in arms about this have been virtually silent in other incidents. The first thing that came to my mind was the mental and physical harassment at abortion clinics that have been going on for my 48 years on this earth. These people today aren't any better than those loons and I have voiced my opinion on both these over the years. A good many have not...they like to pick and choose.
jm192
Footballguy
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
I'm not trying to point out hypocrisy because that is pointless but rather that while there seems to be a consensus that this (protesting in front of people's should be private homes) is wrong and has proven dangerous, we seem to be on the wrong side of the law (at least at the moment). And funny enough, most of the examples of similar stuff historically have involved abortion (Pro Choice protesters have (among others) protested in front of Pelosi's house also).
The Commish
Footballguy
I would imagine each city/state/municipality is different. One could say it's against the law, another say it's perfectly fine. Neither is going to influence my belief on "right" vs "wrong"....wasn't arguing "legal" vs "illegal". I leave that for those who want the bad thing to be happening, but feel they can't come out and say it so instead they hide behind the legal/illegal argument. I know that's not what you're doing...just pointing out that argument isn't all that interesting to me when it comes to stuff like this.
George Costanza
Footballguy
Since there was so much discussion about how this was a hoax a few pages back:
https://www.indystar.com/story/news/2022/07/13/ohio-man-charged-rape-10-year-old-led-indiana-abortion/10048529002/
A man has been charged with raping a 10-year-old Ohio girl, whose travel to Indiana to seek an abortion attracted international attention following the Supreme Court's decision to overturn Roe v. Wade.
Gershon Fuentes, 27, whose last known address was an apartment in Columbus, Ohio, was arrested Tuesday after police say he admitted to raping the child on at least two occasions. He's since been charged with rape and is being held on a $2 million bond.
Columbus police were made aware of the girl's pregnancy through a referral by Franklin County Children Services that was made by her mother on June 22, Det. Jeffrey Huhn testified Wednesday morning at Fuentes' arraignment. On June 30, the girl underwent a medical abortion in Indianapolis, Huhn said in court Wednesday, according to the Columbus Dispatch, a Gannett sister paper that has been working on the story with IndyStar.
The timeline given by police coincides with the account Dr. Caitlin Bernard, an Indianapolis physician who provides abortion services, shared with IndyStar for a story that published earlier this month.
Huhn testified that DNA from the clinic in Indianapolis is being tested against samples from Fuentes.
The 10-year-old told police Fuentes was responsible for her pregnancy, Huhn testified. Assistant Franklin County Prosecutor Dan Meyer said the girl had recently turned 10, meaning she was likely impregnated at 9 years old.
Franklin County Municipal Court Judge Cynthia Ebner said the high bond in the case was necessary due to Fuentes being a possible flight risk and for the safety of the child involved.
During the bond hearing, Meyer requested Fuentes be held without bond. He said Fuentes is not believed to be in the country legally and there are questions about his identity.
https://www.indystar.com/story/news/2022/07/13/ohio-man-charged-rape-10-year-old-led-indiana-abortion/10048529002/
A man has been charged with raping a 10-year-old Ohio girl, whose travel to Indiana to seek an abortion attracted international attention following the Supreme Court's decision to overturn Roe v. Wade.
Gershon Fuentes, 27, whose last known address was an apartment in Columbus, Ohio, was arrested Tuesday after police say he admitted to raping the child on at least two occasions. He's since been charged with rape and is being held on a $2 million bond.
Columbus police were made aware of the girl's pregnancy through a referral by Franklin County Children Services that was made by her mother on June 22, Det. Jeffrey Huhn testified Wednesday morning at Fuentes' arraignment. On June 30, the girl underwent a medical abortion in Indianapolis, Huhn said in court Wednesday, according to the Columbus Dispatch, a Gannett sister paper that has been working on the story with IndyStar.
The timeline given by police coincides with the account Dr. Caitlin Bernard, an Indianapolis physician who provides abortion services, shared with IndyStar for a story that published earlier this month.
Huhn testified that DNA from the clinic in Indianapolis is being tested against samples from Fuentes.
The 10-year-old told police Fuentes was responsible for her pregnancy, Huhn testified. Assistant Franklin County Prosecutor Dan Meyer said the girl had recently turned 10, meaning she was likely impregnated at 9 years old.
Franklin County Municipal Court Judge Cynthia Ebner said the high bond in the case was necessary due to Fuentes being a possible flight risk and for the safety of the child involved.
During the bond hearing, Meyer requested Fuentes be held without bond. He said Fuentes is not believed to be in the country legally and there are questions about his identity.
George Costanza
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Think it was @Sandwho had questioned it as there was not good reporting on it at the time.
I would hope that all or at least most of us can agree that any abortion laws should keep an exception for a case like this.
Sand
Footballguy
And it appears that the Ohio DA gave incredibly bad information about this. IMO, a 10 year old isn't physically equipped to carry a baby to term and should immediately be considered an exception due to danger to life of the mother.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Agreed 1000%
Most, if not all, conservatives believe there should be exceptions to abortion. The "No abortions anytime" is just as small as the "abortions all of the time" crew.
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Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
Instead the Indiana AG says he will now investigate the doctor.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/14/man-arrested-threats-pramila-jayapal/
I know this is ostensibly a "supreme court" thread, but it is only a matter of time before somebody gets killed. We should not be normalizing the practice of stalking policy-makers at their homes. (Really the line should be drawn someplace well before that IMO, but private residences should absolutely for sure be off-limits.)
The Commish
Footballguy
I agree...problem is, there are a multitude of state legislatures that disagree. Many of these legislators have come out and said this particular incident doesn't rise to the level of "danger to the life of the mother". We can pretend this is a "small group" or we can believe them when they tell us what they think.Sand said:
Max Power
Footballguy
Not the supreme court, but newsworthy.
Texas woman charged with threatening to kill judge in Trump special master case
BladeRunner
Footballguy
@tommyGunZ : "We Democrats just want the world to be a better place. That's simply all we want."
the moops
Footballguy
1000% sure @tommyGunZ would condemn this behavior. That you think otherwise is not a good look
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Yeah, you haven't read any of his posts, have you? Democrats are as pure as the wind-driven snow. They can do no wrong. All of their causes are just so noble.
This liberal just wanted the world to be a better place, that's all.
Max Power
Footballguy
Couldn't agree more. Also assigning blame to someone else for another person's actions.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
This crazy woman should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law; there is no place in a civil society for this kind of garbage. She should never be able to possess a firearm again.
This person does not represent Democrats in the slightest.
The Commish
Footballguy
I may regret asking this, but why is this disgusting incident in this particular thread? Is this political?
Dickies
Footballguy
The person said they were also going to assassinate Trump, so I'd say it's absolutely political.
She also wanted to kill Hillary. Seems like a sta ke person
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
The threats came in on the same day Biden delivered the most divisive speech in US history. Not difficult to connect the dots on this one. It’s scary to think how many nut jobs Biden riled up after 9/1/22.
The Commish
Footballguy
Seems like a lunatic all around, but I haven't paid that much attention. Needs to be locked up in the psych ward IMO....doesn't seem to be "Extreme Left Threats...." material rather an absolute nutcase on the loose. That's why I asked.
Max Power
Footballguy
I was thinking that date seemed real early. This was before any decision was even made right? This "Crazy" person seems real dialed into politics and this was clearly an intimidation attempt.
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