FACE OFF: Ronnie Brown -versus- Thomas Jones (1 Viewer)

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

who you think will score more fantasy points in 07?

 

[TheFanatic]

Last I checked Ricky Williams was still in the picture in Miami. Till I see him gone, I gotta give the nod to TJones....

 

[The Duff Man]

Last I checked Ricky Williams was still in the picture in Miami. Till I see him gone, I gotta give the nod to TJones....

Washington, Houston, Barlow >>>>>>> Ricky Williams

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Last I checked Ricky Williams was still in the picture in Miami. Till I see him gone, I gotta give the nod to TJones....

Washington, Houston, Barlow >>>>>>> Ricky Williams

Barlow was cut.

 

[s_ezy]

i like the Jets line a lot more that the Dolphins line at this point

edge to Jones

 

[The Duff Man]

Last I checked Ricky Williams was still in the picture in Miami. Till I see him gone, I gotta give the nod to TJones....

Washington, Houston, Barlow >>>>>>> Ricky Williams

Barlow was cut.

Yeah, I knew as soon as I typed it that I missed that. In any case the talent at RB behind Jones is better than that behind Brown, so I don't see the fact that Ricky Williams is around being much of a factor in comparing these two.Ricky is done.

 

[ooofffaaa]

Last I checked Ricky Williams was still in the picture in Miami. Till I see him gone, I gotta give the nod to TJones....

Washington, Houston, Barlow >>>>>>> Ricky Williams

Barlow was cut.

Yeah, I knew as soon as I typed it that I missed that. In any case the talent at RB behind Jones is better than that behind Brown, so I don't see the fact that Ricky Williams is around being much of a factor in comparing these two.Ricky is done.

Done?Currently weighing in at 220 lbs Ricky will be applying for reinstatement in April. He is also still getting tested 3 times per week.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...SPG5KODA3M1.DTL

 

[Pictus Cat]

3 times per week?

Wow, if everybody had to do that...

TJ v RB pretty close. I give the edge to TJ because of MIA QB unknown performance.

RB could bust out if the whole offense is clicking though. MIA D/ST is going to give some short fields.

 

[TheFanatic]

Last I checked Ricky Williams was still in the picture in Miami. Till I see him gone, I gotta give the nod to TJones....

Washington, Houston, Barlow >>>>>>> Ricky Williams

Uh, that's a big negative. Ronnie Brown isn't as good as Ricky. I was listening to a St. Louis radio show and they had the Miami Beat Writer who said that Ricky out played Ronnie all day long. The fans in Miami are clamoring for Ricky to play because Brown isn't all that great. How soon people forget. Yeap, those 3 guys had much better stats than Ricky last year. I love FFB owners with short memories. Those guys tend to look at the top 10 from last year and take it verbatim as their draft cheat sheet....

 

[roughrider]

Wow brother u are picking some hard ones.... I like Jones alot and I think the Jets will use him the right way, so I'M going Jones, but now here is the question will Jones be drafted before Brown in fantasy drafts? Hmm Dynasty no, redraft yes

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Wow brother u are picking some hard ones.... I like Jones alot and I think the Jets will use him the right way, so I'M going Jones, but now here is the question will Jones be drafted before Brown in fantasy drafts? Hmm Dynasty no, redraft yes

Yeah i picked those cause i wasnt sure who would score more in 07 on all of those....good matchups.

 

[RBM]

Gotta go with TJ. He is the ultimate effort guy, and I like what the Jets are doing.

 

[Blackjacks]

Last I checked Ricky Williams was still in the picture in Miami. Till I see him gone, I gotta give the nod to TJones....

Let's see the fanatic has Alexander, Addai, Benson and who else.....oh yeah Thomas Jones.Funny how you can play the homer game to.I think Ronnie doesn't compare with the talent Ricky had when he was in his prime but right now Ricky is coming off of a broken leg and will be 30 years old on opening day this year. FYI though at this point in his career Ronnie does have a higher career ypc than Ricky, Thomas and let's just say Cedric as well. True maybe just 4.3 comapred to anywhere from 4 to 4.1 but he has still been better. Ronnie will be a constant pro for many years but maybe never great. Ricky was great. Unfortunetly he throw it away on the drugs but he is past his prime and damaged goods now.

 

[TheFanatic]

Last I checked Ricky Williams was still in the picture in Miami. Till I see him gone, I gotta give the nod to TJones....

Let's see the fanatic has Alexander, Addai, Benson and who else.....oh yeah Thomas Jones.Funny how you can play the homer game to.I think Ronnie doesn't compare with the talent Ricky had when he was in his prime but right now Ricky is coming off of a broken leg and will be 30 years old on opening day this year. FYI though at this point in his career Ronnie does have a higher career ypc than Ricky, Thomas and let's just say Cedric as well. True maybe just 4.3 comapred to anywhere from 4 to 4.1 but he has still been better. Ronnie will be a constant pro for many years but maybe never great. Ricky was great. Unfortunetly he throw it away on the drugs but he is past his prime and damaged goods now.

Says the guy in trade talks to move Ronnie Brown. at pimping a 4.3 ypc. Nice. Uh, and playing the homer card is one thing like you are with Moss, but looking at the O-Line, the lack of a strong passing game, TJ's numbers the last couple of years compared to Brown, I'll take TJ. Others feel differently. That's fine. But I really don't see Cedric Houston or Leon Washington eating into TJ's carries like Ricky may to Brown's carries. BTW, wasn't it Ronnie Brown again last year showing how he can't carry the full load by himself just like at Auburn? He almost got through the season in 2005 but of course he wore down at the end of the season and that was with Ricky carrying quite a bit. Last year with no Ricky he played even less....Hmmm.....

 

[FBGPoker]

TJ has never had more than 1500 total yards in 7 seasons, i doubt he all of a sudden starts to do it past his prime on a weak offense like the Jets.

Ronnie Brown at least has potential to have 1600+, and he's a better goal-line runner. Ronnie in a cakewalk here.

 

[TheGreatest]

TJ has never had more than 1500 total yards in 7 seasons, i doubt he all of a sudden starts to do it past his prime on a weak offense like the Jets.Ronnie Brown at least has potential to have 1600+, and he's a better goal-line runner. Ronnie in a cakewalk here.

1600+ yds? No way he gets that in their current offense. They need a QB and a passing game or else R. Brown is just going to be running into a wall everytime he touches the ball. Right now, I would have to go with T. Jones as his offense is in better shape.

 

[FBGPoker]

TJ has never had more than 1500 total yards in 7 seasons, i doubt he all of a sudden starts to do it past his prime on a weak offense like the Jets.Ronnie Brown at least has potential to have 1600+, and he's a better goal-line runner. Ronnie in a cakewalk here.

1600+ yds? No way he gets that in their current offense. They need a QB and a passing game or else R. Brown is just going to be running into a wall everytime he touches the ball. Right now, I would have to go with T. Jones as his offense is in better shape.

Jones upside is about 1500 total yards/8 TD's. I just would rather gamble on a guy who at least has some teir 1 potential. Jones at best is a solid #2 FF RB.

 

[TheFanatic]

TJ has never had more than 1500 total yards in 7 seasons, i doubt he all of a sudden starts to do it past his prime on a weak offense like the Jets.Ronnie Brown at least has potential to have 1600+, and he's a better goal-line runner. Ronnie in a cakewalk here.

TJ played in Arizona and then split time in TB. When he's been the guy he's been pretty productive. Ronnie has to prove to me he can handle 16 games. And more importantly he needs to prove he can handle the carries required to get to 1600 yards. So far he has not. I'm not saying that won't change, I just don't foresee it. That and they can get Ricky back for little or no cap hit and play the one-two punch of those guys....

 

[FBGPoker]

TJ has never had more than 1500 total yards in 7 seasons, i doubt he all of a sudden starts to do it past his prime on a weak offense like the Jets.Ronnie Brown at least has potential to have 1600+, and he's a better goal-line runner. Ronnie in a cakewalk here.

TJ played in Arizona and then split time in TB. When he's been the guy he's been pretty productive. Ronnie has to prove to me he can handle 16 games. And more importantly he needs to prove he can handle the carries required to get to 1600 yards. So far he has not. I'm not saying that won't change, I just don't foresee it. That and they can get Ricky back for little or no cap hit and play the one-two punch of those guys....

We can make all the excuses we want for TJ, but the bottom line is that in a 7 year sample he has never had more than 1500 total yards. While he might experience a career year in the future it isn't likely, he went to a marginal running team, not to Denver.In 2006, only his 2nd year in the league, Ronnie almost had as many total yards as Jones had in his best year....and Ronnie did it in 13 games.Ronnie's upside is without a doubt higher IMO. I just don't see a case where TJ all of a sudden explodes after being average at best FF wise for the past 7 years.I think TJ is a solid NFL RB, but as far as fantasy is concerned he's been servicable at best.

 

[TheFanatic]

TJ has never had more than 1500 total yards in 7 seasons, i doubt he all of a sudden starts to do it past his prime on a weak offense like the Jets.Ronnie Brown at least has potential to have 1600+, and he's a better goal-line runner. Ronnie in a cakewalk here.

TJ played in Arizona and then split time in TB. When he's been the guy he's been pretty productive. Ronnie has to prove to me he can handle 16 games. And more importantly he needs to prove he can handle the carries required to get to 1600 yards. So far he has not. I'm not saying that won't change, I just don't foresee it. That and they can get Ricky back for little or no cap hit and play the one-two punch of those guys....

We can make all the excuses we want for TJ, but the bottom line is that in a 7 year sample he has never had more than 1500 total yards. While he might experience a career year in the future it isn't likely, he went to a marginal running team, not to Denver.In 2006, only his 2nd year in the league, Ronnie almost had as many total yards as Jones had in his best year....and Ronnie did it in 13 games.Ronnie's upside is without a doubt higher IMO. I just don't see a case where TJ all of a sudden explodes after being average at best FF wise for the past 7 years.I think TJ is a solid NFL RB, but as far as fantasy is concerned he's been servicable at best.

I'm having a Priest Holmes flashback. Exact same argument was made when Priest went to KC. I'm by no means saying TJ is the next Priest. I'm just saying that if you think situation is just an "excuse" then you need to go follow golf or some other sport that doesn't involve a team. And if you don't think that the Jets haven't put the line at the top of the priority list then you are also mistaken. The Jets have had a strong running game for many years. MArtin retired and that went away, but that doesn't mean they aren't trying to get back there. We could always do a sig bet on who has the better FFB season this year? TJ or Ronnie....

 

[FBGPoker]

TJ has never had more than 1500 total yards in 7 seasons, i doubt he all of a sudden starts to do it past his prime on a weak offense like the Jets.Ronnie Brown at least has potential to have 1600+, and he's a better goal-line runner. Ronnie in a cakewalk here.

TJ played in Arizona and then split time in TB. When he's been the guy he's been pretty productive. Ronnie has to prove to me he can handle 16 games. And more importantly he needs to prove he can handle the carries required to get to 1600 yards. So far he has not. I'm not saying that won't change, I just don't foresee it. That and they can get Ricky back for little or no cap hit and play the one-two punch of those guys....

We can make all the excuses we want for TJ, but the bottom line is that in a 7 year sample he has never had more than 1500 total yards. While he might experience a career year in the future it isn't likely, he went to a marginal running team, not to Denver.In 2006, only his 2nd year in the league, Ronnie almost had as many total yards as Jones had in his best year....and Ronnie did it in 13 games.Ronnie's upside is without a doubt higher IMO. I just don't see a case where TJ all of a sudden explodes after being average at best FF wise for the past 7 years.I think TJ is a solid NFL RB, but as far as fantasy is concerned he's been servicable at best.

I'm having a Priest Holmes flashback. Exact same argument was made when Priest went to KC. I'm by no means saying TJ is the next Priest. I'm just saying that if you think situation is just an "excuse" then you need to go follow golf or some other sport that doesn't involve a team. And if you don't think that the Jets haven't put the line at the top of the priority list then you are also mistaken. The Jets have had a strong running game for many years. MArtin retired and that went away, but that doesn't mean they aren't trying to get back there. We could always do a sig bet on who has the better FFB season this year? TJ or Ronnie....

Priest never had the same opportunity as Jones. Arizona drafted Jones in the early first planning on starting him, but he never took advantage of it. He's been given tons of opportunity and never had a top notch fantasy season, Priest was never given a fair shake until he got to KC, who happened to have one of the best rushing offenses in the past decade.I just don't see how their situations are similar at all.As far as who is going to have a better 07', i really think it's a coin flip, but as far as who has potential to be a solid teir 1 RB, i think Ronnie is the only one of the two who has that ability.We have a huge sample on TJ, and while solid he's never come close to being spectacular. If in 7 years Ronnie hasn't had a season with over 1600 total yards i'll be shocked...unless he has a severe injury.

 

[TheFanatic]

TJ has never had more than 1500 total yards in 7 seasons, i doubt he all of a sudden starts to do it past his prime on a weak offense like the Jets.Ronnie Brown at least has potential to have 1600+, and he's a better goal-line runner. Ronnie in a cakewalk here.

TJ played in Arizona and then split time in TB. When he's been the guy he's been pretty productive. Ronnie has to prove to me he can handle 16 games. And more importantly he needs to prove he can handle the carries required to get to 1600 yards. So far he has not. I'm not saying that won't change, I just don't foresee it. That and they can get Ricky back for little or no cap hit and play the one-two punch of those guys....

We can make all the excuses we want for TJ, but the bottom line is that in a 7 year sample he has never had more than 1500 total yards. While he might experience a career year in the future it isn't likely, he went to a marginal running team, not to Denver.In 2006, only his 2nd year in the league, Ronnie almost had as many total yards as Jones had in his best year....and Ronnie did it in 13 games.Ronnie's upside is without a doubt higher IMO. I just don't see a case where TJ all of a sudden explodes after being average at best FF wise for the past 7 years.I think TJ is a solid NFL RB, but as far as fantasy is concerned he's been servicable at best.

I'm having a Priest Holmes flashback. Exact same argument was made when Priest went to KC. I'm by no means saying TJ is the next Priest. I'm just saying that if you think situation is just an "excuse" then you need to go follow golf or some other sport that doesn't involve a team. And if you don't think that the Jets haven't put the line at the top of the priority list then you are also mistaken. The Jets have had a strong running game for many years. MArtin retired and that went away, but that doesn't mean they aren't trying to get back there. We could always do a sig bet on who has the better FFB season this year? TJ or Ronnie....

Priest never had the same opportunity as Jones. Arizona drafted Jones in the early first planning on starting him, but he never took advantage of it. He's been given tons of opportunity and never had a top notch fantasy season, Priest was never given a fair shake until he got to KC, who happened to have one of the best rushing offenses in the past decade.I just don't see how their situations are similar at all.As far as who is going to have a better 07', i really think it's a coin flip, but as far as who has potential to be a solid teir 1 RB, i think Ronnie is the only one of the two who has that ability.We have a huge sample on TJ, and while solid he's never come close to being spectacular. If in 7 years Ronnie hasn't had a season with over 1600 total yards i'll be shocked...unless he has a severe injury.

You're "huge" sample is very skewed. How do you factor in the horrendous Arizona team he played on? How do you factor in him splitting time with Pittman in TB? He gets the nod in Chicago and does pretty well despite no passing game and thus 8 men in the box. If you want to get statistical and discuss the sample then you need to include controlling for the outlyers such as the Arizona Factor and splitting time in TB. Ronnie had the ball all to himself last year and didn;t do much with it. That and he broke down. Funny how after 11 games he had to take a 3 game breather, huh? Oh, and you say Priest never got a chance? Who's fault is that? He was on a couple different football teams prior to KC. Why didn't he do better on those teams? Why didn't he win the job outright? Could it be the situation he was in?

 

[Blackjacks]

Last I checked Ricky Williams was still in the picture in Miami. Till I see him gone, I gotta give the nod to TJones....

Let's see the fanatic has Alexander, Addai, Benson and who else.....oh yeah Thomas Jones.Funny how you can play the homer game to.I think Ronnie doesn't compare with the talent Ricky had when he was in his prime but right now Ricky is coming off of a broken leg and will be 30 years old on opening day this year. FYI though at this point in his career Ronnie does have a higher career ypc than Ricky, Thomas and let's just say Cedric as well. True maybe just 4.3 comapred to anywhere from 4 to 4.1 but he has still been better. Ronnie will be a constant pro for many years but maybe never great. Ricky was great. Unfortunetly he throw it away on the drugs but he is past his prime and damaged goods now.

Says the guy in trade talks to move Ronnie Brown. at pimping a 4.3 ypc. Nice. Uh, and playing the homer card is one thing like you are with Moss, but looking at the O-Line, the lack of a strong passing game, TJ's numbers the last couple of years compared to Brown, I'll take TJ. Others feel differently. That's fine. But I really don't see Cedric Houston or Leon Washington eating into TJ's carries like Ricky may to Brown's carries. BTW, wasn't it Ronnie Brown again last year showing how he can't carry the full load by himself just like at Auburn? He almost got through the season in 2005 but of course he wore down at the end of the season and that was with Ricky carrying quite a bit. Last year with no Ricky he played even less....Hmmm.....

FWI Just looking to move Ronnie due to last year of a contract and THAT IS THE ONLY REASON.So would you say you are alittel bit of a homer on this one or not? I do like TJ I just think Brown is a better player who is younger and will have a better year, just my opinion though. Ricky, like I said earlier, not really a huge concern for me. As for injuries he broke his "freaking hand." He was stiff arming someone and got his hand twisted. It isn't like he has a hurt hammy or feet or knees. It was a broken bone. He never really got the chance to carry the load at Auburn due to their team being better with him at fullback and Caddy at rb. He might have played in 2 lesser games but did have more carries so I would technically say he played more last year even though he was in lesser games?!@#$ Does that make sense? This is all opions and you have the right to think TJ will be better but imo Brown is the better player.

 

[FBGPoker]

TJ has never had more than 1500 total yards in 7 seasons, i doubt he all of a sudden starts to do it past his prime on a weak offense like the Jets.Ronnie Brown at least has potential to have 1600+, and he's a better goal-line runner. Ronnie in a cakewalk here.

TJ played in Arizona and then split time in TB. When he's been the guy he's been pretty productive. Ronnie has to prove to me he can handle 16 games. And more importantly he needs to prove he can handle the carries required to get to 1600 yards. So far he has not. I'm not saying that won't change, I just don't foresee it. That and they can get Ricky back for little or no cap hit and play the one-two punch of those guys....

We can make all the excuses we want for TJ, but the bottom line is that in a 7 year sample he has never had more than 1500 total yards. While he might experience a career year in the future it isn't likely, he went to a marginal running team, not to Denver.In 2006, only his 2nd year in the league, Ronnie almost had as many total yards as Jones had in his best year....and Ronnie did it in 13 games.Ronnie's upside is without a doubt higher IMO. I just don't see a case where TJ all of a sudden explodes after being average at best FF wise for the past 7 years.I think TJ is a solid NFL RB, but as far as fantasy is concerned he's been servicable at best.

I'm having a Priest Holmes flashback. Exact same argument was made when Priest went to KC. I'm by no means saying TJ is the next Priest. I'm just saying that if you think situation is just an "excuse" then you need to go follow golf or some other sport that doesn't involve a team. And if you don't think that the Jets haven't put the line at the top of the priority list then you are also mistaken. The Jets have had a strong running game for many years. MArtin retired and that went away, but that doesn't mean they aren't trying to get back there. We could always do a sig bet on who has the better FFB season this year? TJ or Ronnie....

Priest never had the same opportunity as Jones. Arizona drafted Jones in the early first planning on starting him, but he never took advantage of it. He's been given tons of opportunity and never had a top notch fantasy season, Priest was never given a fair shake until he got to KC, who happened to have one of the best rushing offenses in the past decade.I just don't see how their situations are similar at all.As far as who is going to have a better 07', i really think it's a coin flip, but as far as who has potential to be a solid teir 1 RB, i think Ronnie is the only one of the two who has that ability.We have a huge sample on TJ, and while solid he's never come close to being spectacular. If in 7 years Ronnie hasn't had a season with over 1600 total yards i'll be shocked...unless he has a severe injury.

You're "huge" sample is very skewed. How do you factor in the horrendous Arizona team he played on? How do you factor in him splitting time with Pittman in TB? He gets the nod in Chicago and does pretty well despite no passing game and thus 8 men in the box. If you want to get statistical and discuss the sample then you need to include controlling for the outlyers such as the Arizona Factor and splitting time in TB. Ronnie had the ball all to himself last year and didn;t do much with it. That and he broke down. Funny how after 11 games he had to take a 3 game breather, huh? Oh, and you say Priest never got a chance? Who's fault is that? He was on a couple different football teams prior to KC. Why didn't he do better on those teams? Why didn't he win the job outright? Could it be the situation he was in?

Holmes was only on one team before KC. He was an undrafted FA who produced whenever he got a shot. After his 2nd year they drafted Jamal Lewis in the top 10 of the draft who was an uber talent and proved that by running for 2k+ yards in a season. It isn't Holmes fault he couldn't beat out a RB picked in the top 10 who in his prime was a supreme talent.Thomas Jones was drafted in the top 10, he was given every shot to be a feature RB and had no top notch talent to compete against, he had Pittman to beat out and couldn't do that as much as Arizona would have liked him to. It isn't like Jones had to overcome a big obstacle to get that job, yet he failed.Jones learned to be a solid RB, and that's what he has shown in the 7 years he's been in the NFL.Like i said, if Ronnie goes another 5 years without cracking 1500 total yards then i'll have egg on my face, but i'd be shocked if he doesn't.I like Thomas Jones and think he was a good signing for the Jets, but he isn't and has never been a top notch RB in the NFL.

 

[nygiants56]

Edge goes to TJ. MUCH better O-line.

TJ has a chance to put up top 10 RB numbers, but, Brown now plays for a guy who coached L. Tomlinson and really LOVES to run the ball,without using a RBBC.

that, and Ricky looms....

they're going to bring him back,they just lost Morris.